mancabdriver said:

You're going overboard and I'm beginning to believe this level of idol worship when it comes to Janet Jackson is so high its crazy.

Tell me where would Janet Jackson be today without JJ and TL. Where would JJ and TL be without the Time and where would the time be without Prince?

This does not take away the extraordinary talent that JJ and TL is recognized for. They have proven themselves to be excellent musicians and successful on their own. However, the early days taught them all about the art of musicianship, which layed the groundworks for their later success. That's all. Jeez. Get a grip. Ain't nobody taking nothing away from Janet Jackson. Just stating a fact.

wonder505 said:

nah mate it's an opinion not a fact. Next your gonna tell me that prince taught Ciara how to 1-2 step.

actually, if you guys are going to create this ridiculous chain of relationships and influences to say that Janet owes her career to Prince, in reality she owes her career to Jimmy Hendrix, James Brown, The Beetles, etc, all the people who influenced Prince's sound, and of which he wouldn't have had a career without.

yes, her career was indirectly influenced by the tuteledge Prince bestowed upon his friends, but that does not mean her success is directly attributed to him, because if it does that dynamic doesn't start with Prince, it starts with those who influenced Prince in any and every manner, and thus Prince was just another link in the chain, not the foundation of it.

of course, this type of hinesty probably is incoherent to lunatics who honestly believe everything in the music world starts and stops with Prince.

mancabdriver said:

Okay, then Janet, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis owes nothing to Prince. If Prince never existed, there would been no Time but somehow, she will still be a superstar today.

Nor with people here who worships Janet Jackson the same way like you.

wonder505 said:

and show me where I have ever said I even like Janet Jackson, nevertheless worship her. I couldn't care less about Janet Jackson.

strike this up as another ignorant response from another delusional Prince fam whose vision is so clouded by their worship they can only read things in a defensive manner. oh, so sad, insecure Prince fan. guess what, not believing the world revolves around Prince does not equate to woshipping Janet Jackson. ocngratulations, you just made the most asinine correlation I have ever read on this board!

I still say, The Velvet Rope is one of the greatest albums I've ever heard.

It is not delusional to state that if there was no Prince, there would be no Time and without the Time, and where would Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis be today, to help Janet the way they did. Anybody who completely denies that are delusional over Janet's success.

And if you read my previous post you would see that I gave JJ and TL MAD PROPS for their musical genius and for what they have accomplished. Nobody is taking anything way from Janet Jackson's or JJ or TL's accomplishment.

It amazes me how some of you get so upset over a discussion. Look at your post, you look so freaking stupid and immature.
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it's not like all of prince's side projects / artists have had the same success as janet and jam and lewis?

what happened to shelia e, sheena easton. martika, vanity 6?

yeah nothing, this is stupid.

Actually, Janet Jackson owes her career to the Jackson family legacy... If teh Jackson 5, and consequently MJ didnt make it we would not have heard of Janet...

Janet rode the Jackson juggonaut and came out on top. Im sure JJ and TL contributed to that fame by producing a good album, but they arent the focal point of her success...

wonder505 said:

Jimmy and Terry learned there dance moves, sound, style and fashion from Prince. Prince made them what they are. "Prince's thinking is just on a different level then other people." says Jimmy Jam. "And people who expect a lot of themselves expect a lot of others. When you think a lot of yourself, you start to believe other people should be thinking of themselves along the same lines. And when they're not, you might say, hey, stupid, why aren't you doing anything? Then you end up alienating people. That's what Prince did. I remember when we we're rehearsing for the second Time tour, the 1999 tour, we we're having trouble with this song, '777-9311', and we finally got it down to where we could play it good. Then Prince came in looked at me playing keyboards, and said "Jimmy, you're not using your right hand.' and I said , there's not a part there. And he said 'Well, you MAKE a part there! You add something. You got to make it better then the record. No hands can be lazy. You got to play!' So I started using my right hand. Then a couple of rehearsals later he came in and we said, 'Hey, Prince, check this out! We're jammin'!' And Prince says, 'Okay, who's not singing? Everybody's gotta sing a harmony part.' Somebody said, 'but there's not that many harmony parts in the song, Prince.' 'Doesn't matter. Gonna be better now then it is on the record.' Okay, so now we're singing. We got our parts down. He came back three rehearsals later and said, 'Okay, where's the choreography? You guy's got to be steppin'!' Terry and Jesse are out there steppin'. Prince says, 'Jimmy Jam-what about you?' I said, 'What about me? I'm the keyboard player.' 'No you got the be steppin' with them, too.' 'I said, 'What?! I gotta play with both hands, sing, and be steppin' at the same time? Forget it. I can't do that shit.' Couple of hard rehearsals later-I'm talking about four solid hours of playing-I could do the shit in my sleep. I could play my keyboard parts, take out a handkerchief and wipe my face and put it back, still play the part, do the steppin' at the same time.' That's what Prince did, time and again. He taught us we could do things we'd never believed we could, or even thought of." And there sound, Minneapolis Sound, Time sound, is Prince's sound. Prince created it. There sound became Janet's sound, sooo Janet's sound from Control is really Prince's sound.
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Why does Janet look so damn angry every time she performs?

Rebeljuice said:

True.Certainly,being a Jackson helped her secure a record deal in the first place.Hell,even the talentless LaToya was able to get a deal because of her "connections",lol.

SDNafka said:

and what exactly is your talent ?

.....and Prince owes the world an apology.
[Edited 6/30/06 20:56pm]

banks said:

Well, I've always had a knack for annoying the shit out of fans of lame-assed no-talent airheads who'd be serving burgers at Big Bob's Beef Barn if it weren't for the freakish genetic accident that resulted in them having the surname "Jackson". I also cook a mean strudle.

SDNafka said:

It's just strikes me odd that people shit on entertainers because they don't like there music, ok she was lucky to be born in with the surname of jackson.. that didn't guaranteed the they would be sucessful... case in point Jermaine, Randy, Marlon, Latoya and Rebbie have released solo albums and non had the same success as Janet... I just think your response should have been Prince owes me (meaning you ) an apology being that her success somehow offends you, instead of speaking for the whole world, also i love strudle

banks said:

oh gawd...

just laugh..the shit was funny.

Rhondab said:

I did... trust me baby.. i'm not one of those people that gets mad because someone doesn't like an artist that i do

banks said:

You need to put that on a t-shirt cuz I can't tell.

Baby, who you callin' baby! hands on hips, suckin' my teeth

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