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Thread started 10/26/05 9:14am

Eline

Prince and Vanity

I don't know why but I've always had a thing with their relationship but there's so little to find about them. Can somebody tell me more about those two?
Reply #1 posted 10/26/05 9:37am

modernaire

The relationship is kinda like this. She is a born again Christian and doesn't really talk about Prince much anymore. When she first became born again she spoke out quite a bit. She accused Price of doing drugs and giving her drugs and this and that. She also now claims she didn't even write the song "Nasty Girl" and Prince just wrote it and put her name on it. Whether that is true or not is pure speculation. But really I don't care for the woman becauseshe doesn't seem to be too honest or have any proof of the things she has stated.
Reply #2 posted 10/26/05 10:34am

TheMaster

modernaire said:

But really I don't care for the woman becauseshe doesn't seem to be too honest or have any proof of the things she has stated.


Yeah, it wouldn't have anything to do with her saying something negative about Prince, would it...
Reply #3 posted 10/26/05 11:33am

WeepyEyedWhiteGirl

modernaire said:

The relationship is kinda like this. She is a born again Christian and doesn't really talk about Prince much anymore. When she first became born again she spoke out quite a bit. She accused Price of doing drugs and giving her drugs and this and that. She also now claims she didn't even write the song "Nasty Girl" and Prince just wrote it and put her name on it. Whether that is true or not is pure speculation. But really I don't care for the woman becauseshe doesn't seem to be too honest or have any proof of the things she has stated.

Who would want to blab on and on about their boyfriend from 20+ years ago? rolleyes
Reply #4 posted 10/26/05 12:20pm

thekidsgirl

I love Vanity, but I don't have much interest in Deniece Matthews
I'm just glad she seems happy and healthy.

I wish their relationship had lasted longed so we would have had
more Vanity 6 releases, but hey whatever that was over 20 years ago
It'ssss showtime!
Reply #5 posted 10/26/05 1:22pm

langebleu

moderator

modernaire said:

She also now claims she didn't even write the song "Nasty Girl" and Prince just wrote it and put her name on it.


Of course she does ... Prince did write it and he did put her name to it. Behind the scenes, Prince registered sole copyright to the work from the outset.

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ALT+PLS+RTN: Pure as a pane of ice. It's a gift.
Reply #6 posted 10/26/05 1:35pm

july

Reply to 'Prince and Vanity'

Prince Loves SEX.... biggrin
Reply #7 posted 10/26/05 2:48pm

Rhondab

modernaire said:

The relationship is kinda like this. She is a born again Christian and doesn't really talk about Prince much anymore. When she first became born again she spoke out quite a bit. She accused Price of doing drugs and giving her drugs and this and that. She also now claims she didn't even write the song "Nasty Girl" and Prince just wrote it and put her name on it. Whether that is true or not is pure speculation. But really I don't care for the woman becauseshe doesn't seem to be too honest or have any proof of the things she has stated.



and yet Prince has been sooooo honest over the years. lol


I like Denise!! "Vanity" was an image and for her own well-being, I'm glad she put all of that mess to rest.
Reply #8 posted 10/26/05 6:16pm

Snap

modernaire said:

The relationship is kinda like this. She is a born again Christian and doesn't really talk about Prince much anymore. When she first became born again she spoke out quite a bit. She accused Price of doing drugs and giving her drugs and this and that. She also now claims she didn't even write the song "Nasty Girl" and Prince just wrote it and put her name on it. Whether that is true or not is pure speculation. But really I don't care for the woman becauseshe doesn't seem to be too honest or have any proof of the things she has stated.


Where'd you get all this from, the tabloids? I've yet to hear Denise talk bad about Prince. She's never taken credit for writing any of his songs. Even on her first solo album, she's only credited for writing the lyrics, not the music. I think it'd be better for you if you'd watch her say these things with her own mouth instead of believe what's been written down about her. She's done quite a few television interviews in the last several years, and she has yet to say a bad thing about anyone but herself (Vanity). She even talks kindly about her very abusive father, and I have a hard time believing she'd say anything bad about Prince either, contract or not.
[Edited 10/26/05 18:24pm]
Reply #9 posted 10/26/05 6:30pm

NouveauDance

I kinda took it that original poster was asking about their relationship, then, not now.
Reply #10 posted 10/26/05 7:20pm

Snap

Okay, I'll help ya out with info on Vanity & Prince. I found the following on the Internet, and made a couple of my own corrections [in brackets].



Denise Katrina Matthews
Born: 4-Jan-1959
Birthplace: Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada
Religion: Born-Again Christian
Ethnicity: Multiracial
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Singer, Actor, Religion



Denise Katrina Matthews was given a difficult start to her life, having been abandoned very early in her childhood by her mother and forced to endure an abusive father. As a young adult she began to establish a career for herself as a model and actress, assuming the stage name 'D.D. Winters' and taking roles in b-movie fare such as Terror Train and Tanya's Island (both 1980).



In 1981, Prince presented his high school girlfriend Susan Moonsie [who was given a "teenage Lolita" image by Prince, knocking her age back to 16 for shock value], his wardrobe mistress Boston-native Brenda Bennett [who Prince gave a "tough-girl, cigarette-smoking" persona], and his personal assistant Jamie Shoop with an idea: Prince, himself a rising musical star, suggested that his three female friends form a girl group that would be called "The Hookers."



Ideally to Prince, the three women would perform in lingerie and sing sensual songs with lyrics about sex and fantasy. The original trio recorded a few demos before Prince met Denise Matthews, a nude model [well, she had posed in Playboy] and Canadian B-movie actress, in January of 1982 [at a music awards event]. Prince was so taken by Matthews' charisma [and drop-dead gorgeous looks too, I'm sure] that he decided that she would be the perfect front-woman for his "Hookers" project. Around this time, Prince and Matthews began a romantic relationship [with Jill and Susan kept in his back pocket for good measure]. [Vanity was also included in some "revealing scenes" in Prince's documentary concert film The Second Coming which was shot during his Controversy tour, in early 1982. This may have also been the time when Vanity recorded the song "Vibrator" among some other orgasmic vocals, later showing up in Prince's track "Orgasm" (which includes the ending guitar squeals and moans from a Controversy tune "Private Joy") on his Come album which was released more than 10 years later with Vanity being given credit as "she knows who she is"].



With Matthews' arrival, Shoop bowed out of the group. In the spirit of selfless generosity [yeah right], Matthews' new boyfriend decided to re-name her 'Vagina'. Even in her confused youth, Matthews recognized that a little restraint was in order, and the two compromised with the name 'Vanity' [Prince said he saw his female reflection when he looked at her] and the group name became Vanity 6 instead of The Hookers [with the number 6 symbolizing the group's breast count].



The eponymous debut from Vanity 6 (a trio also featuring the undergarments [uh, they were more than just that] of Brenda Bennett and Susan Moonsie) arrived in 1982, festooned with suspender belts, lacy fringe and saucy language. By this time, Prince was beginning to perfect his sexually explicit blend of funk, pop, new wave, and although the first single "He's So Dull" failed to make much of an impression [but did appear in the movie National Lampoon's Vacation], the second attempt "Nasty Girl" became a major crossover success [being featured in a movie with Eddie Murphy (who later dated Vanity's sister Patricia) Beverly Hills Cop and becoming a hit on the US R&B Chart and reaching #1 on the US Dance Chart, to be knocked out of this top spot by another Prince song "1999"]. "Nasty Girl" still has lasting impact to this day, being covered and remixed by many artists [including Prince himself in his '99 "Hot Wit' U (remix)", and Inaya Day's version which reached #9 in the UK during July 2005]. The lesser hit "Drive Me Wild" followed. Videos were filmed for all three singles. The album was certified gold status, selling at least 500,000 copies.



[During the Triple Threat Tour of 1982-3 (with Vanity 6, The Time, and Prince), Prince and Vanity took refuge alone together in one tour bus, while the rest of the band were confined to the other. According to Prince's guitarist Dez Dickerson, this was the beginning of Prince becoming estranged from the rest of the band. Many blamed Vanity]. To the other group members' dismay, Prince chose Vanity to pose with him for a Richard Avedon photograph used on the cover of an issue of Rolling Stone magazine. The issue with Prince and Vanity on the cover also contained a two-page Avedon photo of Vanity 6.



In 1983, Vanity recorded a demo for a new song, "Sex Shooter," [including many other songs for a 2nd Vanity 6 album -- note Brenda's "cigarette"-smoking vocals on Prince's "17 Days" which was also intended for this album] and started training for her lead role in Purple Rain opposite Prince. Prior to the shooting of the movie, Vanity decided to leave the Prince camp. Many reasons were given for her sudden split with him, including money, the end of their romantic relationship [Prince supposedly had his sights on other women], and most importantly, having been offered a lucrative solo offer from Motown Records. [While Vanity 6 was together, it was rumored that there was a fight between Brenda and Vanity, where Bennett supposedly had Vanity up against the wall by her throat, ready to punch her].



In 1984, Vanity was replaced in both the movie and album by Patricia Kotero, who had her own brief fling with fame under the name Apollonia. [Prince's hit "When Doves Cry" was inspired by his relationship with Susan. Susan married actor David Garfield in the 90's. David passed away in the late 1990s. Brenda was married to Prince's set-designer Roy Bennett].



Matthews managed to arrange a deal with Motown and, still working under the Vanity moniker (and the racy image that went with it), released two moderately successful albums: 1984's Wild Animal and 1986's Skin on Skin. During this time she also resumed her acting career, landing significant roles in Hollywood action flicks such as The Last Dragon (1985), Never Too Young To Die (1986) and 52 Pick-Up (1986).



After Skin on Skin Matthews' musical output evaporated completely [besides a song by Jesse Johnson "Faraway Eyes" and a song by Gerald (Jerry) Hubbard "Can You Kiss Me" (renamed "Undress" and released as a single) that she performed on the Action Jackson soundtrack in '88], but for the next decade she continued her work in film and television - usually keeping well inside the bounds of the action/thriller genre with which she had now become associated.



Appearances in Deadly Illusion (1987), Action Jackson (1988), [posing nude again for Playboy], South Beach (1992), Neon City (1992) and Da Vinci's War (1993) maintained her presence on the big screen, supplemented by roles in the television movies Memories of Murder (1990) and Lady Boss (1992) and series such as Miami Vice, Mike Hammer, Tales from the Crypt, Silk Stockings and Highlander.



[During this time, Vanity was shortly-engaged to the Motley Crue founder/songwriter, Nikki Sixx -- ironically, the marriage (if it had happened) would've given her the name Vanity Sixx. Vanity did marry a football player in 1995/1996 -- the marriage didn't last much more than a year before ending in divorce].



Over the years Matthews' extensive drug abuse had taken a serious toll on her health (causing damage to her liver, eyesight and hearing, and eventually resulting in a heart attack) [Prince supposedly sent her get well cards and flowers during this time, and made at least one phone call], and following her involvement in the low-budget thriller Kiss of Death, she announced that she had been born again [on August 16, 1997] and was formally renouncing the hedonistic lifestyle of her past. All ties with the entertainment industry were abandoned, and the former 'Vanity' subsequently established her own evangelical ministry. [Today, she can be found touring the country as an evangelist and sharing the good news of Jesus Christ in television interviews.]



edit: adding more trivia as I find it, or as u give me
[Edited 10/27/05 2:31am]
Reply #11 posted 10/27/05 2:36am

Snap

Check out Vanity's songs from 1984 called "Wild Animal" and "Samuelle" -- both about Prince.

Reply #12 posted 10/27/05 10:00am

Rhondab

so pretty....
Reply #13 posted 10/27/05 10:05am

KelleyG

modernaire said:

But really I don't care for the woman because she doesn't seem to be too honest


Do you think many of Prince's women have been totally honest with him? Curious about manipulative efforts others may have used.
Reply #14 posted 10/27/05 3:09pm

tinababy83

Snap said:

Okay, I'll help ya out with info on Vanity & Prince. I found the following on the Internet, and made a couple of my own corrections [in brackets].



Denise Katrina Matthews
Born: 4-Jan-1959
Birthplace: Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada
Religion: Born-Again Christian
Ethnicity: Multiracial
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Singer, Actor, Religion



Denise Katrina Matthews was given a difficult start to her life, having been abandoned very early in her childhood by her mother and forced to endure an abusive father. As a young adult she began to establish a career for herself as a model and actress, assuming the stage name 'D.D. Winters' and taking roles in b-movie fare such as Terror Train and Tanya's Island (both 1980).



In 1981, Prince presented his high school girlfriend Susan Moonsie [who was given a "teenage Lolita" image by Prince, knocking her age back to 16 for shock value], his wardrobe mistress Boston-native Brenda Bennett [who Prince gave a "tough-girl, cigarette-smoking" persona], and his personal assistant Jamie Shoop with an idea: Prince, himself a rising musical star, suggested that his three female friends form a girl group that would be called "The Hookers."



Ideally to Prince, the three women would perform in lingerie and sing sensual songs with lyrics about sex and fantasy. The original trio recorded a few demos before Prince met Denise Matthews, a nude model [well, she had posed in Playboy] and Canadian B-movie actress, in January of 1982 [at a music awards event]. Prince was so taken by Matthews' charisma [and drop-dead gorgeous looks too, I'm sure] that he decided that she would be the perfect front-woman for his "Hookers" project. Around this time, Prince and Matthews began a romantic relationship [with Jill and Susan kept in his back pocket for good measure]. [Vanity was also included in some "revealing scenes" in Prince's documentary concert film The Second Coming which was shot during his Controversy tour, in early 1982. This may have also been the time when Vanity recorded the song "Vibrator" among some other orgasmic vocals, later showing up in Prince's track "Orgasm" (which includes the ending guitar squeals and moans from a Controversy tune "Private Joy") on his Come album which was released more than 10 years later with Vanity being given credit as "she knows who she is"].



With Matthews' arrival, Shoop bowed out of the group. In the spirit of selfless generosity [yeah right], Matthews' new boyfriend decided to re-name her 'Vagina'. Even in her confused youth, Matthews recognized that a little restraint was in order, and the two compromised with the name 'Vanity' [Prince said he saw his female reflection when he looked at her] and the group name became Vanity 6 instead of The Hookers [with the number 6 symbolizing the group's breast count].



The eponymous debut from Vanity 6 (a trio also featuring the undergarments [uh, they were more than just that] of Brenda Bennett and Susan Moonsie) arrived in 1982, festooned with suspender belts, lacy fringe and saucy language. By this time, Prince was beginning to perfect his sexually explicit blend of funk, pop, new wave, and although the first single "He's So Dull" failed to make much of an impression [but did appear in the movie National Lampoon's Vacation], the second attempt "Nasty Girl" became a major crossover success [being featured in a movie with Eddie Murphy (who later dated Vanity's sister Patricia) Beverly Hills Cop and becoming a hit on the US R&B Chart and reaching #1 on the US Dance Chart, to be knocked out of this top spot by another Prince song "1999"]. "Nasty Girl" still has lasting impact to this day, being covered and remixed by many artists [including Prince himself in his '99 "Hot Wit' U (remix)", and Inaya Day's version which reached #9 in the UK during July 2005]. The lesser hit "Drive Me Wild" followed. Videos were filmed for all three singles. The album was certified gold status, selling at least 500,000 copies.



[During the Triple Threat Tour of 1982-3 (with Vanity 6, The Time, and Prince), Prince and Vanity took refuge alone together in one tour bus, while the rest of the band were confined to the other. According to Prince's guitarist Dez Dickerson, this was the beginning of Prince becoming estranged from the rest of the band. Many blamed Vanity]. To the other group members' dismay, Prince chose Vanity to pose with him for a Richard Avedon photograph used on the cover of an issue of Rolling Stone magazine. The issue with Prince and Vanity on the cover also contained a two-page Avedon photo of Vanity 6.



In 1983, Vanity recorded a demo for a new song, "Sex Shooter," [including many other songs for a 2nd Vanity 6 album -- note Brenda's "cigarette"-smoking vocals on Prince's "17 Days" which was also intended for this album] and started training for her lead role in Purple Rain opposite Prince. Prior to the shooting of the movie, Vanity decided to leave the Prince camp. Many reasons were given for her sudden split with him, including money, the end of their romantic relationship [Prince supposedly had his sights on other women], and most importantly, having been offered a lucrative solo offer from Motown Records. [While Vanity 6 was together, it was rumored that there was a fight between Brenda and Vanity, where Bennett supposedly had Vanity up against the wall by her throat, ready to punch her].



In 1984, Vanity was replaced in both the movie and album by Patricia Kotero, who had her own brief fling with fame under the name Apollonia. [Prince's hit "When Doves Cry" was inspired by his relationship with Susan. Susan married actor David Garfield in the 90's. David passed away in the late 1990s. Brenda was married to Prince's set-designer Roy Bennett].



Matthews managed to arrange a deal with Motown and, still working under the Vanity moniker (and the racy image that went with it), released two moderately successful albums: 1984's Wild Animal and 1986's Skin on Skin. During this time she also resumed her acting career, landing significant roles in Hollywood action flicks such as The Last Dragon (1985), Never Too Young To Die (1986) and 52 Pick-Up (1986).



After Skin on Skin Matthews' musical output evaporated completely [besides a song by Jesse Johnson "Faraway Eyes" and a song by Gerald (Jerry) Hubbard "Can You Kiss Me" (renamed "Undress" and released as a single) that she performed on the Action Jackson soundtrack in '88], but for the next decade she continued her work in film and television - usually keeping well inside the bounds of the action/thriller genre with which she had now become associated.



Appearances in Deadly Illusion (1987), Action Jackson (1988), [posing nude again for Playboy], South Beach (1992), Neon City (1992) and Da Vinci's War (1993) maintained her presence on the big screen, supplemented by roles in the television movies Memories of Murder (1990) and Lady Boss (1992) and series such as Miami Vice, Mike Hammer, Tales from the Crypt, Silk Stockings and Highlander.



[During this time, Vanity was shortly-engaged to the Motley Crue founder/songwriter, Nikki Sixx -- ironically, the marriage (if it had happened) would've given her the name Vanity Sixx. Vanity did marry a football player in 1995/1996 -- the marriage didn't last much more than a year before ending in divorce].



Over the years Matthews' extensive drug abuse had taken a serious toll on her health (causing damage to her liver, eyesight and hearing, and eventually resulting in a heart attack) [Prince supposedly sent her get well cards and flowers during this time, and made at least one phone call], and following her involvement in the low-budget thriller Kiss of Death, she announced that she had been born again [on August 16, 1997] and was formally renouncing the hedonistic lifestyle of her past. All ties with the entertainment industry were abandoned, and the former 'Vanity' subsequently established her own evangelical ministry. [Today, she can be found touring the country as an evangelist and sharing the good news of Jesus Christ in television interviews.]



edit: adding more trivia as I find it, or as u give me
[Edited 10/27/05 2:31am]

Who ever wrote that, really did their research...Great read!!!
Reply #15 posted 10/27/05 5:01pm

Rhondab

KelleyG said:

modernaire said:

But really I don't care for the woman because she doesn't seem to be too honest


Do you think many of Prince's women have been totally honest with him? Curious about manipulative efforts others may have used.



or that he's been so honest himself....
Reply #16 posted 10/29/05 7:41am

Eline

Wow.
Nice work Snap.
Thank you.
Reply #17 posted 10/29/05 8:35am

Zelaira

That was VERY INTERESTING to READ. However, she DID On INSIDE EDITION BLAME PRINCE for STUFF likening it to being ENSLAVED and being Forced to Wear CLOTHES and STUFF or ELSE SHe WOULDN'T GET PAID. She said she ALWAYS DREAMED of Being like DIANa ROSS and Berry Gordy's MOTOWN was her Dream Not SINGING BOUT SEX. However, after she LEFt PRINCE'S CAMP she was DOINg DRUGS and THAT WAs HER DECISION. PRINCE WASN"T WITH her. Hanging with NIKKI SIXX or MOTLEY and Doing DRUGS was CRAZY. She was ALWAYS GORGEOUS and I liked her Kind of FLUFF 7th HEAVEN was My Favorite and watching her on Bandstand was GREAT with SAMUEL. I just think VANITY if she DIDN'T RUIN Herself with DRUGS COULD Have had a SUCCESSFUL ONGOING CAREER. I was SURPRISED to read she had a HEART ATTACK. I am Glad she has a SUCCESSFUL SPIRITUAL CAREER and is HEALTHY AGAIN. To LOSE her would be HORRIBLE.
Reply #18 posted 10/29/05 10:23am

RepoMan

barf
Repo Man's got all night, every night.
Reply #19 posted 10/29/05 10:26am

BEAUGARDE

I remember hearing stories of Vanity & Apollonia saying they really didn't want 2 dress in lingerie but even when they left the Prince camp they continued their sexual characters. Whay didn't they re-invent themselves. Or did Motown & Warners insist they keep their images to capitalize on what Prince started. I also remember Dick Clark ask Sheila E. about her Romance 1600 look and she said she will continue 2 dress like that as long as long as she was WITH Prince. But maybe Warners didn't insist that she remained in character because she has talent that can't be denied!
Reply #20 posted 10/29/05 2:13pm

mynameisnotsusan

I've been reading 'Possessed' by Alex Hahn and he says part of the reason Vanity wasn't in Purple Rain was because she had had an affair with Al Magnoli. Sounds plausible.
Reply #21 posted 10/29/05 2:25pm

fluid

I just wanna know, if there were 3 of them why was it called Vanity 6?
Working up a purple sweat.
Reply #22 posted 10/29/05 2:47pm

mynameisnotsusan

fluid said:

I just wanna know, if there were 3 of them why was it called Vanity 6?


Pay attention, it was mentioned above razz
Supposedly refers to the number of breasts/nipples in the group. Always thought that sounded like bullshit but that's the story.
Reply #23 posted 10/29/05 6:51pm

Snap

You're welcome, Eline wink
And thanx to Zelaira for the additional info. smile

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