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Thread started 12/01/04 3:35pm

rudeboynpg

Did Prince Sell Out! When he did the Batman album?

Did Prince do the music for the Tim Burton Batman (1989) movie because Prince was a Batman fan and liked the kind of movie Tim Burton was making or did Prince just want some of that Batman money. Where the funky Prince songs apropreat for the spooky gothic Tim Burton Batman film. Before all y'al yell "SELL OUT!" remember that the first song Prince learned to play on the piano when he was like 10 years old was the Batman TV theme song. Tim Burton thought Prince fit in with the freakish wild Joker. Tim Burton thought Siouxsie fit in with the Domanatrix fetishistic Catwoman in Batman Returns. So its not like if Prince did the music to the silly Superman 3 movie with Richard Pryor. So what do you think?
There's so much hate going 'round.
What good is time if u take up everyday 2 complain?
What misfortune left ur heart so broken that u only say words intended 2 belittle or dismay?
Reply #1 posted 12/01/04 3:37pm

UndercovaBrotha

I think some of it had to deal with Tim Burton being a Prince fan and asking if he could contribute an album.
Ooh, little darlin' if you're
free 4 a couple of hours (Free 4 a couple of hours)
If U ain't busy 4 the next 7 years (Next 7 years)
Say, let's pretend we're married and go all night
Reply #2 posted 12/01/04 3:38pm

Cataclysm

He was also after Kim Bassinger
Reply #3 posted 12/01/04 3:39pm

squirrelgrease

It's a great album. Sellout? Nah. Prince wasn't on all of those McDonalds cups and T-Shirts.
If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot.
Reply #4 posted 12/01/04 3:54pm

Anxiety

it could be argued that he "sold out" when he signed with WB way back when.
Reply #5 posted 12/01/04 3:56pm

skywalker

Not really. When all is said and done it was still a "Prince Album". The Batman stuff was just thrown in the mix of already completed songs that fit the tone of the film. Jack and Tim were fans of Prince. Kim was a hot women of the 80's. Prince claims that the TV show theme songs was the 1st thing he taught himself to play. So he probably was a fan of Batman.

I much prefer a cohesive soundtrack like "Batman" instead of one like "batman Forever" that just throws together artists and songs that have nothing to do with the movie.
"Revolution time has come today...."
Reply #6 posted 12/01/04 3:57pm

TheBatman

Sell out?

I don't think he did.

Great album, but terrible movie!


batman
SWEAR TO ME!!!
Reply #7 posted 12/01/04 7:48pm

Snap

Nah, not a sell out -- he didn't go looking for it... it came to him, and i believe distracted him from the Lovesexy vibe he had going on at the time (he was finishing the Lovesexy tour in Japan when the Batman project fell in his lap) i will always wonder "what if?"
Reply #8 posted 12/01/04 8:26pm

MrSquiggle

Prince sell out? shocked Never! no no no!





































Reply #9 posted 12/01/04 9:08pm

squirrelgrease

MrSquiggle said:

Prince sell out? shocked Never! no no no!




If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot.
Reply #10 posted 12/02/04 12:12am

theoriginalQueenB

rudeboynpg said:

Did Prince do the music for the Tim Burton Batman (1989) movie because Prince was a Batman fan and liked the kind of movie Tim Burton was making or did Prince just want some of that Batman money. Where the funky Prince songs apropreat for the spooky gothic Tim Burton Batman film. Before all y'al yell "SELL OUT!" remember that the first song Prince learned to play on the piano when he was like 10 years old was the Batman TV theme song. Tim Burton thought Prince fit in with the freakish wild Joker. Tim Burton thought Siouxsie fit in with the Domanatrix fetishistic Catwoman in Batman Returns. So its not like if Prince did the music to the silly Superman 3 movie with Richard Pryor. So what do you think?


great points rudeboynpg...from this one's view it was definately not a sell out But a stay n...there was a whole lot of sentiment on the project...u hit on part of it with the Batman TV theme song(is that a well known story?) & mayB it didn't get out there was someone else trying 2 swipe the project that Prince gettin' it instead make the deal even sweeter...truly a victory Bhind the scenes that speaks n the NRG of the music...Kim on the scene was probably just a Bonus 2 him...Prince is prolific enuf 2 choose whatever reason he wants 2 do a project...these tracks still touch & move this one~that can get B dancing 2day...thats what i say cool

p.s....Pretty sure he didn't cut his rate on sentiment 4 gettin' Paid wink
Reply #11 posted 12/02/04 12:31am

BobGeorge909

TheBatman said:

Sell out?

I don't think he did.

Great album, but terrible movie!


batman


I beg to differ...Great Album AND Great movie...the only Batman Movie worth watching. C'mon Jack was wonderful as the Joker...NO ONE else could've pulled that off. All of the movies that came out after that were horrible, includinf Tim's second one, the one with Danny as the Penguin. The ONLY Bad movie that Christopher Walken has done...'cept for maybe "Blast To The Past"
[Insert witticism here]
Reply #12 posted 12/02/04 2:55am

vainandy

No. Prince sold out when he did "Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic" and included guest artists on the album.
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #13 posted 12/02/04 3:05am

NouveauDance

Sell out? Nahhh. How did he sell out, tons of artists do soundtrack albums, it was his own film, but PR wouldn't have been as big without the film - was that a sellout?

The music wasn't a sellout several of the songs existed before the album, and the sound of the album had already been crafted during the projects 1988: Madhouse, Lovesexy, Rave, Graffiti Bridge.

Now performing a medley of Purple Rain songs with Beyonce for the Grammies, that was kinda selling out wink
Reply #14 posted 12/02/04 3:15am

player

TheBatman said:

Sell out?

I don't think he did.

Great album, but terrible movie!

Terrible movie?! WTF! I didn't know there was anyone who disliked this film.The Batman film is a classic. One of the best blockbusters of the 80's. And the Joker by Jack dancing to Partyman; film just doesn't get better.
Reply #15 posted 12/02/04 3:34am

vainandy

NouveauDance said

Now performing a medley of Purple Rain songs with Beyonce for the Grammies, that was kinda selling out wink


AMEN!
Andy is a four letter word.
Reply #16 posted 12/02/04 4:17am

wallysafford

charging his fans alot of cash to go to his recording complex
was kind of a sell-out move in my opinion.
i went to the 1st celebration and on the second day,started feeling like a naughty little sheep,i left on day 3.
they were selling everything from perfume to npg water!
definately made me look at prince in a different way.sellout move!
Reply #17 posted 12/02/04 6:38am

jackflash

rudeboynpg said:

... Before all y'al yell "SELL OUT!" remember that the first song Prince learned to play on the piano when he was like 10 years old was the Batman TV theme song. ... So what do you think?


You're right! Batman (not 1999 or Dirty Mind) IS the ultimate wellspring of all that is Prince!
[Edited 12/2/04 6:38am]
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Reply #18 posted 12/02/04 7:55am

UndercovaBrotha

jackflash said:

rudeboynpg said:

... Before all y'al yell "SELL OUT!" remember that the first song Prince learned to play on the piano when he was like 10 years old was the Batman TV theme song. ... So what do you think?


You're right! Batman (not 1999 or Dirty Mind) IS the ultimate wellspring of all that is Prince!
[Edited 12/2/04 6:38am]


falloff
Ooh, little darlin' if you're
free 4 a couple of hours (Free 4 a couple of hours)
If U ain't busy 4 the next 7 years (Next 7 years)
Say, let's pretend we're married and go all night
Reply #19 posted 12/02/04 8:00am

Handclapsfingasnapz

wallysafford said:

charging his fans alot of cash to go to his recording complex
was kind of a sell-out move in my opinion.
i went to the 1st celebration and on the second day,started feeling like a naughty little sheep,i left on day 3.
they were selling everything from perfume to npg water!
definately made me look at prince in a different way.sellout move!

...but in the end yo ass still went out there, didn't you? neutral
Reply #20 posted 12/02/04 8:26am

TheBatman

BobGeorge909 said:

TheBatman said:

Sell out?

I don't think he did.

Great album, but terrible movie!


batman


I beg to differ...Great Album AND Great movie...the only Batman Movie worth watching. C'mon Jack was wonderful as the Joker...NO ONE else could've pulled that off. All of the movies that came out after that were horrible, includinf Tim's second one, the one with Danny as the Penguin. The ONLY Bad movie that Christopher Walken has done...'cept for maybe "Blast To The Past"

Maybe for people who didn't know Batman from the comic books... maybe to them it was a great movie. Me personally, having grown up reading Batman comics... this movie was embarassing. Was not really like Batman at all.

Jack Nicholson is a great actor, but Joker... uh, uh... not to me.


disbelief
SWEAR TO ME!!!
Reply #21 posted 12/02/04 9:08am

GottaLetitgo

Sell out...no there were plenty of copies at my local record store.

In all seriousness, it was a neccessary move. Lovesxy for all of its artistic merit knocked him out of Top 40 radio and he needed a proven commodity to get back in the game. Prince had always liked Batman (the Batman theme being the first song he learned on the piano) and I'm sure he was flattered that they wanted to use his music. The music on the album is fluffy in spots but there are some tough songs on the CD that would not really indicate a sell-out. Electric Chair, Vicki Waiting, The Future, Scandalous and others were strong and he could be forgiven for going to a derivative well with Partyman, Trust, etc. No forgiveness for Arms of Orion, though, which I still cannot listen to without going into diabetic shock.

Kudos for realizing the batman logo on an album would guarantee multiplatinum sales. Double kudos for inventing (or popularizing) the whole soundtrack of songs INSPIRED by (not neccesarily included in) a movie. Madonna did the same thing the next year with Dick Tracy and these days it is a common practice.
Always be yourself! Unless you can be Batman. Then always be Batman.
Reply #22 posted 12/02/04 9:42am

skywalker

"Maybe for people who didn't know Batman from the comic books... maybe to them it was a great movie. Me personally, having grown up reading Batman comics... this movie was embarassing. Was not really like Batman at all.

Jack Nicholson is a great actor, but Joker... uh, uh... not to me."

Hey-there are plenty of people that were/are well versed in the Batman comic books that loved the movie. That movie is still the best live screen interpretation of Batman yet. The Animated series of the 90's was the best interpretation ever-they nailed it. Okay, time to turn off the dork switch.
"Revolution time has come today...."
Reply #23 posted 12/02/04 10:12am

Anxiety

not to be a broken record, but i think the only time prince ever sold out was when he signed a contract with WB prior to the release of "for you". although i really don't see "selling out" as always being a bad thing, it is clear now that his agreement with WB resulted in some serious compromises that might have been avoided had prince originally had the foresight to negotiate for different terms in the contract (or kept shopping for another label) instead of going for that cash. but what do you expect, he was a kid. and it wasn't as if WB didn't do their part to help make him a star...
Reply #24 posted 12/02/04 10:44am

paisley2002

Hey, 4 what it's worth, Jack Nicholson is a huge Prince fan!
Don't hate me 'cause I'm NOT beautiful
Reply #25 posted 12/02/04 10:47am

Snap

GottaLetitgo said:


In all seriousness, it was a neccessary move. Lovesxy for all of its artistic merit knocked him out of Top 40 radio and he needed a proven commodity to get back in the game.


You make a valid point. Lovesexy was a huge success in many areas of the world (bigger than Purple Rain in Europe) -- not in the States. Part of that could've been that he was touring most everywhere else but the States -- we were seeing less and less of him. Maybe Batman was his way to do something he felt the States would definitely get into -- there had already been a lot of hype about the movie, so Prince already had a built-in customer-base who were going to buy the album just because it had a Batman logo on it. I remember seeing many young kids scream for it, and their parents buying it for them not even knowing it was a Prince album (not just a soundtrack). "Batdance" went straight to #1 -- why? I'd say mostly because it was released before the movie and contained a lot of quotes from the movie. The whole Batman project did a lot of good for our fading hometown hero. Even helped get him special recognition at the 1990 AMA awards.
[Edited 12/2/04 10:49am]
Reply #26 posted 12/02/04 11:03am

CherrieMoonKisses

I dont think he sold out...I think it was a smart move...it reat album...I mean artists before him had done it so why shouldnt he? I love VICKI WAITING! music dancing jig music
peace & wildsign
Reply #27 posted 12/02/04 12:25pm

laurarichardson

Anxiety said:

not to be a broken record, but i think the only time prince ever sold out was when he signed a contract with WB prior to the release of "for you". although i really don't see "selling out" as always being a bad thing, it is clear now that his agreement with WB resulted in some serious compromises that might have been avoided had prince originally had the foresight to negotiate for different terms in the contract (or kept shopping for another label) instead of going for that cash. but what do you expect, he was a kid. and it wasn't as if WB didn't do their part to help make him a star...

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Dude what world are you living on. A 18 year-old kid does not negoitate a recording contract !!! So he did not sell-out by signing. You need to read DMSR. Seems WB made the best offer.
Reply #28 posted 12/02/04 2:04pm

wallysafford

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

wallysafford said:

charging his fans alot of cash to go to his recording complex
was kind of a sell-out move in my opinion.
i went to the 1st celebration and on the second day,started feeling like a naughty little sheep,i left on day 3.
they were selling everything from perfume to npg water!
definately made me look at prince in a different way.sellout move!

...but in the end yo ass still went out there, didn't you? neutral

what the hell is your MAIN problem?
i think your comment to me was un-called for,i was just stating my opinion to the question that was asked.
consider "yo ass" talking to the hand from here on out.
you seem to have a major attitude problem huh?
Reply #29 posted 12/02/04 2:13pm

Handclapsfingasnapz

wallysafford said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:


...but in the end yo ass still went out there, didn't you? neutral

what the hell is your MAIN problem?
i think your comment to me was un-called for,i was just stating my opinion to the question that was asked.
consider "yo ass" talking to the hand from here on out.
you seem to have a major attitude problem huh?

not really. you're still new here, once you get to know me you'll come to find out that my spouting off is to be taken in jest.

now c'mon...laugh it off...
Reply #30 posted 12/02/04 2:15pm

wallysafford

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

wallysafford said:


what the hell is your MAIN problem?
i think your comment to me was un-called for,i was just stating my opinion to the question that was asked.
consider "yo ass" talking to the hand from here on out.
you seem to have a major attitude problem huh?

not really. you're still new here, once you get to know me you'll come to find out that my spouting off is to be taken in jest.

now c'mon...laugh it off...

well,maybe you shouldn't act like that to people YOU don't know yet!
i think you are rude.laugh that off...
Reply #31 posted 12/02/04 2:20pm

Handclapsfingasnapz

wallysafford said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:


not really. you're still new here, once you get to know me you'll come to find out that my spouting off is to be taken in jest.

now c'mon...laugh it off...

well,maybe you shouldn't act like that to people YOU don't know yet!
i think you are rude.laugh that off...

i've done this to newbies all the time for nearly all the 6 years i've been on this site and nobody's gotten a rise out of it till now. like i said, you're still new here. you'll like me once you get to know me.

wink

oop, almost forgot about the topic at hand: the creator of this thread shoulda defined the term "sell-out" a bit more, since some folks are beginnin to squabble 'round here.
Reply #32 posted 12/02/04 2:51pm

DarkKnight1

TheBatman said:

Sell out?

I don't think he did.

Great album, but terrible movie!


batman


That is a great movie. Tim Burton did an incredible job with Batman and Batman returns, Even down to the greatest musical score for a superhero movie ever by Danny Elfman. Hell, I like that score as much as the album. What didnt you like about it. Was it the fact that Billy D. played Harvey Dent? He didnt butcher it like Schumacher did. He will forever be my nemesis.
I don't want to make you feel stupid, so please don't mess with me.
Reply #33 posted 12/02/04 2:59pm

chickengrease

disbelief
[Edited 12/2/04 16:49pm]
Reply #34 posted 12/02/04 3:02pm

skywalker

" Even down to the greatest musical score for a superhero movie ever by Danny Elfman. "

Wrong. John Williams did the greatest musical score for a superhero movie when he scored the music for Superman.
"Revolution time has come today...."
Reply #35 posted 12/02/04 3:10pm

herb4

DarkKnight1 said:



That is a great movie. Tim Burton did an incredible job with Batman and Batman returns


Wrong.

The definitve Batman film has yet to be made. The first film may as well have been called "The Joker", and the second one was just absurd (Fish eating sewer dwellers running for mayor? Mouth-to-mouth cat CPR? penguin soldiers...?) Both of them had a nice style and had a lot of the visulas down, but lacked any genuine character exploration, plot or dialogue...king of like the record, come to think of it....

As to the question at hand: I don't believe in the term "sell-out", especially for artists. Anyone who can make a living through music, writing or painting wins - by definition. What they do after that is up to them. Having said that, I did see the record as a bit of a cash-grab; re-working obvious outtakes into new songs that "fit" the film. But so what? If someone asked me to contribute art to a Batman project I'd do it.

Until any of us have been offered half a million bucks to "sell out", I would be very leary of slapping that label on others.
Reply #36 posted 12/02/04 3:12pm

sisforscandalous

TheBatman said:

Sell out?

I don't think he did.

Great album, but terrible movie!


batman

I must agree. i was saddend by Tim Burton the day i saw that movie. I DO love Batman however. He's my fave.
"music is my life partner. the only one who will never EVER leave me"--Tommy Lee
Reply #37 posted 12/02/04 3:12pm

DarkKnight1

skywalker said:

" Even down to the greatest musical score for a superhero movie ever by Danny Elfman. "

Wrong. John Williams did the greatest musical score for a superhero movie when he scored the music for Superman.


Opening theme perhaps. Entire score, no.
I don't want to make you feel stupid, so please don't mess with me.
Reply #38 posted 12/02/04 3:32pm

theoriginalQueenB

NouveauDance said:

Sell out? Nahhh. How did he sell out, tons of artists do soundtrack albums, it was his own film, but PR wouldn't have been as big without the film - was that a sellout?

The music wasn't a sellout several of the songs existed before the album, and the sound of the album had already been crafted during the projects 1988: Madhouse, Lovesexy, Rave, Graffiti Bridge.

Now performing a medley of Purple Rain songs with Beyonce for the Grammies, that was kinda selling out wink




i'm with u on the grammy thang...it was his 20th anniversary!! i'm not a dude so Beyonce was an unwelcomed distraction 4 B; didn't seem she brought anything 2 it...i would have loved 2 C some of the musicians who have actually played with him on stage 4 the moment...a Beauteous opportunity missed...guess it served its purpose tho'~whatever that may have been....
Reply #39 posted 12/02/04 3:36pm

sermwanderer

One of Prince's most noble qualities is his refusal to sell out
“If I can shoot rabbits/then I can shoot fascists”
Reply #40 posted 12/02/04 3:54pm

TheBatman

DarkKnight1 said:

TheBatman said:

Sell out?

I don't think he did.

Great album, but terrible movie!


batman


That is a great movie. Tim Burton did an incredible job with Batman and Batman returns, Even down to the greatest musical score for a superhero movie ever by Danny Elfman. Hell, I like that score as much as the album. What didnt you like about it. Was it the fact that Billy D. played Harvey Dent? He didnt butcher it like Schumacher did. He will forever be my nemesis.

falloff I almost forgot Billy D. Williams was in Batman as Harvey Dent. It was strange he showed up in the 3rd film as Tommy Lee Jones.

My beef with the Batman movies is the poor story writing, bad acting and a miscast Batman. Tim Burton made the movie weird. Some people may think Batman weird, but I never did. He is the Dark Knight Detective, not some little guy that walks around in a heavy suit that he has to bend over backwards in, just to look up.

Gotham City came off as a weird, dark fantasy place instead of given a realistic feel that it sorely needed.

Schumacher breathed a little life into the franchise with Kilmer in "Forever," but shot himself in the foot with the dreadful, carbon copied "Batman & Robin."

The original "Crow" movie with Brandon Lee was more like Batman than the Batman movies were. IMO, anyway.

Sorry for going off topic. Prince didn't sell out.
SWEAR TO ME!!!
Reply #41 posted 12/02/04 3:56pm

herb4

sermwanderer said:

One of Prince's most noble qualities is his refusal to sell out


Which should not be confused with "cashing in" when the opportunity presents itself.

Anyone who ever called me a sell-out was never there to pay my rent when I couldn't.
Reply #42 posted 12/02/04 4:01pm

DarkKnight1

herb4 said:

sermwanderer said:

One of Prince's most noble qualities is his refusal to sell out


Which should not be confused with "cashing in" when the opportunity presents itself.

Anyone who ever called me a sell-out was never there to pay my rent when I couldn't.


Exactly, sell out is a term used by those who are jealous and lack the talent or resources necessary to receive such an offer in their respective industry.
I don't want to make you feel stupid, so please don't mess with me.
Reply #43 posted 12/02/04 4:09pm

rudeboynpg

I was always a fan of the spooky Batman comics by Neal Adams/Denny O'Neil. I became a Prince fan in 1984 starting with the powerful biographical Purple Rain movie and album. With the Purple Rain film I could relate to Prince,I understood Prince, Prince is a rebel and Apollonia was hot. I love the spooky gothic Tim Burton Batman films (Batman and Batman Returns) Burtons Batman films are like the comics Killing Joke, Arkam Asylum and the 1939/1940 comics in the Batman Archives. I love the atmospheric Batman Prince album Batdance Vicki Waiting The Future Prince captured the mood of the film.
There's so much hate going 'round.
What good is time if u take up everyday 2 complain?
What misfortune left ur heart so broken that u only say words intended 2 belittle or dismay?
Reply #44 posted 12/02/04 4:23pm

sermwanderer

herb4 said:

sermwanderer said:

One of Prince's most noble qualities is his refusal to sell out


Which should not be confused with "cashing in" when the opportunity presents itself.

Anyone who ever called me a sell-out was never there to pay my rent when I couldn't.


Correct. The disticntion is huge
“If I can shoot rabbits/then I can shoot fascists”
Reply #45 posted 12/02/04 4:31pm

rudeboynpg

Batman is kind of psychotic. Tim Burton and Micheal Keaton show that.
There's so much hate going 'round.
What good is time if u take up everyday 2 complain?
What misfortune left ur heart so broken that u only say words intended 2 belittle or dismay?
Reply #46 posted 12/02/04 6:48pm

Anxiety

laurarichardson said:

Dude what world are you living on. A 18 year-old kid does not negoitate a recording contract !!! So he did not sell-out by signing. You need to read DMSR. Seems WB made the best offer.


First off, do you NEED to be so rude when you respond to people?

That said, I don't think anyone was holding a gun to Prince's head when he signed his contract with WB. And even if he was sold into some kind of bizarre black-market artistic slavery by having someone else coerce him into signing with WB at 18 years old, he sure was an adult when he RE-negotiated that multi-million contract with WB, wasn't he? hmmm

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