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Reply #30 posted 10/09/18 10:57am

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OF4S: Just noticed this part of your quote....

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Jill later said that if she had not been on the plane already she would have turned right round and returned home.

Jill did turn up in Minneapolis but she refused to talk to Prince on the set of Graffiti Bridge. In fact she refused to communicate with anyone except in French. Prince got upset and told Jill "If you don't smile and act better round here, then this is your replacement," and then showed Jill a photograph. Jill replied "Oh, an old girlfriend?" She stayed to complete the film but her relationship with Prince was never the same.

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Interesting!! I'm thinking either Vanity, as it was rumored that she started coming back around, or possibly Anna Garcia. Anna stated that he had called her after Kim B left MN and told her that Kim had "let him down". She implied that he was trying to get her to go back to MN to be in the film.

This song by Vanity came up for some reason

Samuelle, this is your lover calling
Samuelle
Samuelle, this is your lover calling
Samuelle, do you belong to Marilyn
I know she could never love your heart like me
I'm quite sure we belong together

[Chorus 1]
Oh Samuelle, you cannot tell a lie
It echoes across the moon and the sky

[Verse 2]
Valerie, this is your conscience calling
Valerie, I don't wanna hear you
I do recall carnivals were filled up with crazy guys and paper dolls
Thought it would last forever


[Chorus 2]
Oh Samuelle, I'm running down the aisle
Wedding lace was written all over

[Spoken]
I really want you, I really do
I really love you
Rap on door, rap
Rap on door, ring bell, ring bell, bell


[Bridge]
Naughty little things we may never know
The prince and the showgirl
Wonders if never, ever
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Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #31 posted 10/09/18 11:40am

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violetcrush said:

OF4S: Just noticed this part of your quote....

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Jill later said that if she had not been on the plane already she would have turned right round and returned home.

Jill did turn up in Minneapolis but she refused to talk to Prince on the set of Graffiti Bridge. In fact she refused to communicate with anyone except in French. Prince got upset and told Jill "If you don't smile and act better round here, then this is your replacement," and then showed Jill a photograph. Jill replied "Oh, an old girlfriend?" She stayed to complete the film but her relationship with Prince was never the same.

*

Interesting!! I'm thinking either Vanity, as it was rumored that she started coming back around, or possibly Anna Garcia. Anna stated that he had called her after Kim B left MN and told her that Kim had "let him down". She implied that he was trying to get her to go back to MN to be in the film.

This song by Vanity came up for some reason

Samuelle, this is your lover calling
Samuelle
Samuelle, this is your lover calling
Samuelle, do you belong to Marilyn
I know she could never love your heart like me
I'm quite sure we belong together

[Chorus 1]
Oh Samuelle, you cannot tell a lie
It echoes across the moon and the sky

[Verse 2]
Valerie, this is your conscience calling
Valerie, I don't wanna hear you
I do recall carnivals were filled up with crazy guys and paper dolls
Thought it would last forever


[Chorus 2]
Oh Samuelle, I'm running down the aisle
Wedding lace was written all over

[Spoken]
I really want you, I really do
I really love you
Rap on door, rap
Rap on door, ring bell, ring bell, bell


[Bridge]
Naughty little things we may never know
The prince and the showgirl
Wonders if never, ever

Quite a telling song, so Jill is Marilyn and Vanity is "Valerie"....

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Reply #32 posted 10/09/18 12:00pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

This song by Vanity came up for some reason

Samuelle, this is your lover calling
Samuelle
Samuelle, this is your lover calling
Samuelle, do you belong to Marilyn
I know she could never love your heart like me
I'm quite sure we belong together

[Chorus 1]
Oh Samuelle, you cannot tell a lie
It echoes across the moon and the sky

[Verse 2]
Valerie, this is your conscience calling
Valerie, I don't wanna hear you
I do recall carnivals were filled up with crazy guys and paper dolls
Thought it would last forever


[Chorus 2]
Oh Samuelle, I'm running down the aisle
Wedding lace was written all over

[Spoken]
I really want you, I really do
I really love you
Rap on door, rap
Rap on door, ring bell, ring bell, bell


[Bridge]
Naughty little things we may never know
The prince and the showgirl
Wonders if never, ever

Quite a telling song, so Jill is Marilyn and Vanity is "Valerie"....

yes

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Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #33 posted 10/09/18 12:09pm

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violetcrush said:

Quite a telling song, so Jill is Marilyn and Vanity is "Valerie"....

yes

My my that man had sooooo many women, and too little time... cool

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Reply #34 posted 10/10/18 10:28am

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PANDURITO said:

And how did Price exactly made her pass for white? hmmm

I think they mean the character she played in the movie.

How's that? I never thought that character was "white."

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Reply #35 posted 10/10/18 11:40am

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heartpeacesheart said:

PANDURITO said: I think they mean the character she played in the movie.

How's that? I never thought that character was "white."

Well, she certainly didn't look anything other than "white" in the film. Not sure how anyone would have thought she was black or mixed in PR. She has very fair skin, her hair was platinum blonde, and even her dialogue sort of depicted a "snobby" white girl.

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Even in the GB film - her hair was long and dark, but I still thought she was white.

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Reply #36 posted 10/10/18 12:10pm

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purplethunder3121 said:

How's that? I never thought that character was "white."

Well, she certainly didn't look anything other than "white" in the film. Not sure how anyone would have thought she was black or mixed in PR. She has very fair skin, her hair was platinum blonde, and even her dialogue sort of depicted a "snobby" white girl.

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Even in the GB film - her hair was long and dark, but I still thought she was white.

Truth is, as said by others, Jill doesn't look obviously mixed like Lisa Bonet or Vanessa Williams, she's more like Mariah Carey or Jennifer Beals

So unless you know exactly who she is, and a lot of people didn't, with the speed of the movie and being caught up in the movie, she 'passes' for 100 % European just in passing.

There is only 1 photo of her from the movie where African genes can be more obvious, but most people see that scene in a quick flash because they are focusing on Prince when he stares at Apollonia

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Reply #37 posted 10/10/18 12:19pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

Well, she certainly didn't look anything other than "white" in the film. Not sure how anyone would have thought she was black or mixed in PR. She has very fair skin, her hair was platinum blonde, and even her dialogue sort of depicted a "snobby" white girl.

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Even in the GB film - her hair was long and dark, but I still thought she was white.

Truth is, as said by others, Jill doesn't look obviously mixed like Lisa Bonet or Vanessa Williams, she's more like Mariah Carey or Jennifer Beals

So unless you know exactly who she is, and a lot of people didn't, with the speed of the movie and being caught up in the movie, she 'passes' for 100 % European just in passing.

There is only 1 photo of her from the movie where African genes can be more obvious, but most people see that scene in a quick flash because they are focusing on Prince when he stares at Apollonia

All I can say is that I saw the movie when it came out in 1984 and I had no idea who the actress was. She looked like a girl with African American heritage and dyed blond hair to me back then...and she still does today.

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Reply #38 posted 10/10/18 12:29pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Truth is, as said by others, Jill doesn't look obviously mixed like Lisa Bonet or Vanessa Williams, she's more like Mariah Carey or Jennifer Beals

So unless you know exactly who she is, and a lot of people didn't, with the speed of the movie and being caught up in the movie, she 'passes' for 100 % European just in passing.

There is only 1 photo of her from the movie where African genes can be more obvious, but most people see that scene in a quick flash because they are focusing on Prince when he stares at Apollonia

All I can say is that I saw the movie when it came out in 1984 and I had no idea who the actress was. She looked like a girl with African American heritage and dyed blond hair to me back then...and she still does today.

I didn't recognize her as Jill Jones and the movie moved so fast I couldn't really focus on that. In quick passing I saw a Euro woman. And my focus wasn't on her as much, I was watching Apollonia, and the performances happening. The movie really moved so fast, still to this day.

And as a teen excited, it took more than one viewing to see all the stuff I missed... not to mention all the people who hipped me to the boob water scene so I didn't want to miss it when it happened

I just saw a lot of exoticness everywhere

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Reply #39 posted 10/10/18 12:34pm

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purplethunder3121 said:

All I can say is that I saw the movie when it came out in 1984 and I had no idea who the actress was. She looked like a girl with African American heritage and dyed blond hair to me back then...and she still does today.

I didn't recognize her as Jill Jones and the movie moved so fast I couldn't really focus on that. In quick passing I saw a Euro woman. And my focus wasn't on her as much, I was watching Apollonia, and the performances happening. The movie really moved so fast, still to this day.

And as a teen excited, it took more than one viewing to see all the stuff I missed... not to mention all the people who hipped me to the boob water scene so I didn't want to miss it when it happened

I just saw a lot of exoticness everywhere

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LOL Well, I was a young adult at the time but I've lost count of how many times I went to see PR in '84 and '85 in movie theaters... lol I even recall dragging a blind date to see the movie; he didn't think he'd like it, but he did!

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Reply #40 posted 10/10/18 2:16pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

I didn't recognize her as Jill Jones and the movie moved so fast I couldn't really focus on that. In quick passing I saw a Euro woman. And my focus wasn't on her as much, I was watching Apollonia, and the performances happening. The movie really moved so fast, still to this day.

And as a teen excited, it took more than one viewing to see all the stuff I missed... not to mention all the people who hipped me to the boob water scene so I didn't want to miss it when it happened

I just saw a lot of exoticness everywhere

pr2.png

LOL Well, I was a young adult at the time but I've lost count of how many times I went to see PR in '84 and '85 in movie theaters... lol I even recall dragging a blind date to see the movie; he didn't think he'd like it, but he did!

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I think Jill is much lighter skinned than Jennifer Beals and evena little lighter than Mariah Carey. When Mariah first came on to the scene I thought she was white too. Go back and look at her first video. Here's a picture of her during her first album release:

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* She looks like a white girl with dark curly hair....actually just like the actress Minnie Driver. They look like sisters. Nothing in this picture says "mixed" to me...

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Here's Minnie:

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purplethunder3121 said:

LOL Well, I was a young adult at the time but I've lost count of how many times I went to see PR in '84 and '85 in movie theaters... lol I even recall dragging a blind date to see the movie; he didn't think he'd like it, but he did!

[Edited 10/10/18 12:40pm]

I think Jill is much lighter skinned than Jennifer Beals and evena little lighter than Mariah Carey. When Mariah first came on to the scene I thought she was white too. Go back and look at her first video. Here's a picture of her during her first album release:

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220px-Mariah_Carey_1990_cropped.jpg

* She looks like a white girl with dark curly hair....actually just like the actress Minnie Driver. They look like sisters. Nothing in this picture says "mixed" to me...

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Here's Minnie:

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GettyImages-613944148.jpg

[Edited 10/10/18 14:19pm]

I'm just stating what my impression was over 30 years ago seeing Jill Jones in Purple Rain... shrug

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Reply #42 posted 10/10/18 2:39pm

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Me too smile When I saw the film in the 80's Jill Jones looked so white compared to Appollonia, Prince and everyone else in the film, so I just assumed she was white.

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I posted the pics of Mariah and Minnie, because I also thought Mariah was white when she first came on to the scene. It was actually a long time before Irealized she was mixed. Everyone was comparing her to Whitney Houston in the early 90's, because she was the first one to be able to hit those notes, so when I looked at pictures of the two of them Mariah seemed white to me.

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Reply #43 posted 10/11/18 2:12pm

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I think that the racial mystery surrounding Jill may have hurt her career.She has said that,in 1987,she played some dates as the opening act for Jody Watley and the audience just stood there,looking all confused.She also says that she was at an R&B music convention in the early 90s and a well-known DJ told her "Damn,if I had known you were black,I would have played your record on our station!" eek

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SoulAlive said:

I think that the racial mystery surrounding Jill may have hurt her career.She has said that,in 1987,she played some dates as the opening act for Jody Watley and the audience just stood there,looking all confused.She also says that she was at an R&B music convention in the early 90s and a well-known DJ told her "Damn,if I had known you were black,I would have played your record on our station!" eek

Yeah a bit, Madonna was getting regular radio play on RnB stations, Tina Marie and others

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So I don't know... I know her not having music out during the 1982-1986 period hurt her chances.

She shouldn't have been opening for RnB artists probably. She couldn't dance either. Europe loved her, of course. I don't see why she didn't start out opening for Prince and being more connected to that scene. Once people got her attachment she might have been able to open for others.

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But the other part that hurt her in 1987 is that she tried to be too seperate from the Prince scene. She didn't want to be 'another Prince girl', and I get that, but it ain't all that bad ie Vanity, Sheena Easton, Chaka Khan, Sheila E, The Bangels etc all benefited from their obvious Prince association.
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She said that during the 1987 time Prince wanted her to wear the heart bracelet and she wouldn't wear that either.

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http://people.com/archive...l-28-no-1/

People Staff
July 06, 1987 12:00 PM

Jill Jones

Maybe Prince keeps finding new female protégées such as Vanity, Apollonia, Sheila E. and now Jones just to make sure there’s always someone to sing dirty to him. On All Day, All Night, Jones sings, “I watch as you make love to others/ Disgusting as it seems, it intoxicates me…/ My heartbeat accelerates and my mouth waters uncontrollably.” That lewd song is the weakest of three that Prince co-wrote and co-produced on Jones’s debut album. The others, Mia Bocca and For Love, have Prince’s banty rooster, rhythmic impetus. The man should bottle his remarkable ability to make all the instruments on a track sound percussive. David Z., who produced the rest of the album with Jones, gets a good horn sound but tends to overdo the strings. In a way Jones makes the same mistake with her voice, overindulging in pyrotechnics and histrionics. In a misguided effort to prove her versatility, she sings each song in a different character. There’s the herky-jerky Lydia Lunch delivery on Mia Bocca, the breathy Sheila E. soprano of G-Spot and the topper, a chiding Carmen Miranda-as-battle-ax tone for My Man. Jones may have talent, but it’s hard to find under her frantic ambition. (Paisley Park)

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Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
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SoulAlive said:

I think that the racial mystery surrounding Jill may have hurt her career.She has said that,in 1987,she played some dates as the opening act for Jody Watley and the audience just stood there,looking all confused.She also says that she was at an R&B music convention in the early 90s and a well-known DJ told her "Damn,if I had known you were black,I would have played your record on our station!" eek

My first album was a very long pregnancy, good God, it took so long get out. It was a really ace album, but, the timing was way off. I don't think everyone was ready for it. Radio wasn't looking for it. There's a rap convention in Atlanta that I went to and people came up to me saying “you're Black? I didn't know you were Black! I would've played your record.” I just came back to Prince, like, “should I just get a tan?” White people somehow knew I was Black and they said “I'm not playing that house Negro on the radio.”
The album was dead in the water. Then, I went to a function and I think I was crying. A Warner Brothers executive (Rob Dickens, CEO of Warner Brothers UK) saw me and he put money into the project to do promotion in Europe. We made the (music) video (for the single "Mia Bocca")...They (Europeans) always liked Josephine Baker, that whole thing always worked. I was discriminated against in my own country. I opened for Jody Watley in LA and, seriously, the crowd just stood there whole time with their arms crossed. I was angry dancing. I was singing “G-Spot” and I was like “I'm not going to shake my ass.” I know (on past tours) I would go out in my bra and panties, but, then I put on my trench coat and I'd leave. I just threw the mike down and walked off the stage. Prince came to me and said “is that it, are you done?” Maybe he created the diva in me.
I think the album was a very intellectual album. We made a decision to take a lot of the poppy songs off. Once Clare Fisher puts the strings on it... I wanted to leave them on... That's where I sealed my fate to never have a hit record...(Prince) could have given me "The Glamorous Life". Sheila E. would come to the studio to play basketball and I did not know that the child was going in (to the studio) late at night and singing the songs...
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A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
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Reply #47 posted 10/11/18 5:48pm

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I totally thought Jill was a white girl when I saw the film. Oddly enough I thought Apollonia was mixed (black/white) she kinda reminded me of La Toya Jackson.
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Reply #48 posted 10/11/18 6:55pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

SoulAlive said:

I think that the racial mystery surrounding Jill may have hurt her career.She has said that,in 1987,she played some dates as the opening act for Jody Watley and the audience just stood there,looking all confused.She also says that she was at an R&B music convention in the early 90s and a well-known DJ told her "Damn,if I had known you were black,I would have played your record on our station!" eek

My first album was a very long pregnancy, good God, it took so long get out. It was a really ace album, but, the timing was way off. I don't think everyone was ready for it. Radio wasn't looking for it. There's a rap convention in Atlanta that I went to and people came up to me saying “you're Black? I didn't know you were Black! I would've played your record.” I just came back to Prince, like, “should I just get a tan?” White people somehow knew I was Black and they said “I'm not playing that house Negro on the radio.”
The album was dead in the water. Then, I went to a function and I think I was crying. A Warner Brothers executive (Rob Dickens, CEO of Warner Brothers UK) saw me and he put money into the project to do promotion in Europe. We made the (music) video (for the single "Mia Bocca")...They (Europeans) always liked Josephine Baker, that whole thing always worked. I was discriminated against in my own country. I opened for Jody Watley in LA and, seriously, the crowd just stood there whole time with their arms crossed. I was angry dancing. I was singing “G-Spot” and I was like “I'm not going to shake my ass.” I know (on past tours) I would go out in my bra and panties, but, then I put on my trench coat and I'd leave. I just threw the mike down and walked off the stage. Prince came to me and said “is that it, are you done?” Maybe he created the diva in me.
I think the album was a very intellectual album. We made a decision to take a lot of the poppy songs off. Once Clare Fisher puts the strings on it... I wanted to leave them on... That's where I sealed my fate to never have a hit record...(Prince) could have given me "The Glamorous Life". Sheila E. would come to the studio to play basketball and I did not know that the child was going in (to the studio) late at night and singing the songs...

No doubt Prince put her solo album on the back-burner while he worked on other things. Also, I just don't think some of the songs suited her. All Day Al Night, especially after hearing Prince's version, should have been on a Prince and The Revolution record. G-spot also would have been better for Prince to do - it should be sung from a guy's perspective. A lot of peopls like Mia Bocca, but I actually didn't care for it, because I think her voice is better at the higher register. I didn't like the deep tone of her voice on that song.

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Even if she had done more promotion for the album, I don't know that she would have had lasting success. Prince just didn't make her career a priority in the 80's. Also, I don't know that she had enough of the "wow" factor with performing on stage.

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Reply #49 posted 10/12/18 1:28am

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violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

My first album was a very long pregnancy, good God, it took so long get out. It was a really ace album, but, the timing was way off. I don't think everyone was ready for it. Radio wasn't looking for it. There's a rap convention in Atlanta that I went to and people came up to me saying “you're Black? I didn't know you were Black! I would've played your record.” I just came back to Prince, like, “should I just get a tan?” White people somehow knew I was Black and they said “I'm not playing that house Negro on the radio.”
The album was dead in the water. Then, I went to a function and I think I was crying. A Warner Brothers executive (Rob Dickens, CEO of Warner Brothers UK) saw me and he put money into the project to do promotion in Europe. We made the (music) video (for the single "Mia Bocca")...They (Europeans) always liked Josephine Baker, that whole thing always worked. I was discriminated against in my own country. I opened for Jody Watley in LA and, seriously, the crowd just stood there whole time with their arms crossed. I was angry dancing. I was singing “G-Spot” and I was like “I'm not going to shake my ass.” I know (on past tours) I would go out in my bra and panties, but, then I put on my trench coat and I'd leave. I just threw the mike down and walked off the stage. Prince came to me and said “is that it, are you done?” Maybe he created the diva in me.
I think the album was a very intellectual album. We made a decision to take a lot of the poppy songs off. Once Clare Fisher puts the strings on it... I wanted to leave them on... That's where I sealed my fate to never have a hit record...(Prince) could have given me "The Glamorous Life". Sheila E. would come to the studio to play basketball and I did not know that the child was going in (to the studio) late at night and singing the songs...

No doubt Prince put her solo album on the back-burner while he worked on other things. Also, I just don't think some of the songs suited her. All Day Al Night, especially after hearing Prince's version, should have been on a Prince and The Revolution record. G-spot also would have been better for Prince to do - it should be sung from a guy's perspective. A lot of peopls like Mia Bocca, but I actually didn't care for it, because I think her voice is better at the higher register. I didn't like the deep tone of her voice on that song.

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Even if she had done more promotion for the album, I don't know that she would have had lasting success. Prince just didn't make her career a priority in the 80's. Also, I don't know that she had enough of the "wow" factor with performing on stage.

Yeah and I think the biggest problem for Jill was,her album didn't come out earlier when she would have been able to take advantage of the Purple Rain hype.If her debut album had come out in late 1984 or early 1985,it would have gotten a ton of attention.At that time,anything connected to Prince was guaranted to get airplay.Instead,Prince was focused on too many other things.

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Maybe Prince keeps finding new female protégées such as Vanity, Apollonia, Sheila E. and now Jones just to make sure there’s always someone to sing dirty to him. On All Day, All Night, Jones sings, “I watch as you make love to others/ Disgusting as it seems, it intoxicates me…/ My heartbeat accelerates and my mouth waters uncontrollably.”

biggrin yeah,that lyric was too much,huh? And on "Mia Bocca",she sings "I have only had one lover since I was 12 years old" eek biggrin

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My first album was a very long pregnancy, good God, it took so long get out. It was a really ace album, but, the timing was way off. I don't think everyone was ready for it. Radio wasn't looking for it. There's a rap convention in Atlanta that I went to and people came up to me saying “you're Black? I didn't know you were Black! I would've played your record.” I just came back to Prince, like, “should I just get a tan?” White people somehow knew I was Black and they said “I'm not playing that house Negro on the radio.”
The album was dead in the water. Then, I went to a function and I think I was crying. A Warner Brothers executive (Rob Dickens, CEO of Warner Brothers UK) saw me and he put money into the project to do promotion in Europe. We made the (music) video (for the single "Mia Bocca")...They (Europeans) always liked Josephine Baker, that whole thing always worked. I was discriminated against in my own country. I opened for Jody Watley in LA and, seriously, the crowd just stood there whole time with their arms crossed. I was angry dancing. I was singing “G-Spot” and I was like “I'm not going to shake my ass.” I know (on past tours) I would go out in my bra and panties, but, then I put on my trench coat and I'd leave. I just threw the mike down and walked off the stage. Prince came to me and said “is that it, are you done?” Maybe he created the diva in me.
I think the album was a very intellectual album. We made a decision to take a lot of the poppy songs off. Once Clare Fisher puts the strings on it... I wanted to leave them on... That's where I sealed my fate to never have a hit record...(Prince) could have given me "The Glamorous Life". Sheila E. would come to the studio to play basketball and I did not know that the child was going in (to the studio) late at night and singing the songs...

No doubt Prince put her solo album on the back-burner while he worked on other things. Also, I just don't think some of the songs suited her. All Day Al Night, especially after hearing Prince's version, should have been on a Prince and The Revolution record. G-spot also would have been better for Prince to do - it should be sung from a guy's perspective. A lot of peopls like Mia Bocca, but I actually didn't care for it, because I think her voice is better at the higher register. I didn't like the deep tone of her voice on that song.

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Even if she had done more promotion for the album, I don't know that she would have had lasting success. Prince just didn't make her career a priority in the 80's. Also, I don't know that she had enough of the "wow" factor with performing on stage.

Yeah, she even said some songs were dated and didn't translate well in 1987 like G-Spot. If G Spot was released in 1984/85 it would have been a hit, and have become a classic. So if she performed it in 1987 it would have been exciting. I think too think G-Spot, All Day All Night should have been somehow released with Prince & the Revolution. G-Spot could have been a hot Prince/Jill duet B side.

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I've always loved Mia Bocca, but that was another that should have been released in 1986 especially since it was in Under the Cherry Moon.

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Jill Jones on the unfinished second Paisley Park album: We (Jones and Prince) were kind of at two different roads. The song (“Boom Boom”) was from 1982 and it seemed forced. He kept remixing it. I went to do the video, but, it was late, it was too late. And I just ended up going back to New York, got married and waited until my contract expired. During this time he called me-- and I was at a friend's house-- and said, "you don't have any charisma, you should dye your hair black and you need to get breast implants like Brigitte Nielsen." I was furious... Dickens (CEO of Warner Brothers UK) was instrumental at one point with Roger Davies, my manager, when we were trying to complete my second album alone. Without Prince. But, Prince rejected every attempt we tried.

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Reply #52 posted 10/12/18 5:59am

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violetcrush said:

No doubt Prince put her solo album on the back-burner while he worked on other things. Also, I just don't think some of the songs suited her. All Day Al Night, especially after hearing Prince's version, should have been on a Prince and The Revolution record. G-spot also would have been better for Prince to do - it should be sung from a guy's perspective. A lot of peopls like Mia Bocca, but I actually didn't care for it, because I think her voice is better at the higher register. I didn't like the deep tone of her voice on that song.

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Even if she had done more promotion for the album, I don't know that she would have had lasting success. Prince just didn't make her career a priority in the 80's. Also, I don't know that she had enough of the "wow" factor with performing on stage.

Yeah, she even said some songs were dated and didn't translate well in 1987 like G-Spot. If G Spot was released in 1984/85 it would have been a hit, and have become a classic. So if she performed it in 1987 it would have been exciting. I think too think G-Spot, All Day All Night should have been somehow released with Prince & the Revolution. G-Spot could have been a hot Prince/Jill duet B side.

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I've always loved Mia Bocca, but that was another that should have been released in 1986 especially since it was in Under the Cherry Moon.

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Jill Jones on the unfinished second Paisley Park album: We (Jones and Prince) were kind of at two different roads. The song (“Boom Boom”) was from 1982 and it seemed forced. He kept remixing it. I went to do the video, but, it was late, it was too late. And I just ended up going back to New York, got married and waited until my contract expired. During this time he called me-- and I was at a friend's house-- and said, "you don't have any charisma, you should dye your hair black and you need to get breast implants like Brigitte Nielsen." I was furious... Dickens (CEO of Warner Brothers UK) was instrumental at one point with Roger Davies, my manager, when we were trying to complete my second album alone. Without Prince. But, Prince rejected every attempt we tried.

Yes, I read this online interview from 2013. I think Prince may have too based on one of the comments under the text smile He recycled a lot of songs for that record. When I heard the audio of him doing All Day All Night at the '84 birthday show I couldn't believe he gave that one away. It was SO good. He did the same thing with Mayte's album - recycled a bunch of songs - even tried out Violet Blue from Jill's album.

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For whatever reason he did not make her project a priority. I think with SHeila E, The Family, ATWIAD, UTCM, Parade....he just had too many other things going on. He was smart too, so I think he prioritzed projects based on how he projected their potential success. I'm sure the relationship with Susannah may have played a part too.

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Insomuch that I thought of it at all I certainly thought she was white. Then I found out she wasn't. She said a lot of black people knew though. Looking at photos I suppose it's a bit more noticeable circa 1987. I'm probably coming from a place of privilege in that I hadn't noticed until it was pointed out.


ehhh... that Jill Jones debut album is something else isn't it?

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Jill Jones on the unfinished second Paisley Park album: We (Jones and Prince) were kind of at two different roads. The song (“Boom Boom”) was from 1982 and it seemed forced. He kept remixing it. I went to do the video, but, it was late, it was too late. And I just ended up going back to New York, got married and waited until my contract expired. During this time he called me-- and I was at a friend's house-- and said, "you don't have any charisma, you should dye your hair black and you need to get breast implants like Brigitte Nielsen." I was furious... Dickens (CEO of Warner Brothers UK) was instrumental at one point with Roger Davies, my manager, when we were trying to complete my second album alone. Without Prince. But, Prince rejected every attempt we tried.

disbelief eek

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"Boom Boom" by Jill Jones (1990)

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Jill Jones on the unfinished second Paisley Park album: We (Jones and Prince) were kind of at two different roads. The song (“Boom Boom”) was from 1982 and it seemed forced. He kept remixing it. I went to do the video, but, it was late, it was too late. And I just ended up going back to New York, got married and waited until my contract expired. During this time he called me-- and I was at a friend's house-- and said, "you don't have any charisma, you should dye your hair black and you need to get breast implants like Brigitte Nielsen." I was furious... Dickens (CEO of Warner Brothers UK) was instrumental at one point with Roger Davies, my manager, when we were trying to complete my second album alone. Without Prince. But, Prince rejected every attempt we tried.

disbelief eek

Prince could be harsh, that's for sure. She also stated it was 10 years of her life wasted, but at least she got a good song out of it... confused

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I think he retaliated in the comments section of that interview. Check it out if you haven't seen it eek

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"Boom Boom" by Jill Jones (1990)

HOT DIZAMMMMMN!!!!! dead nuts shocked omfg booty! woot! music headbang err sexy excited drool3 worship lick clapping drooling dancing jig boogie love jerkoff horny boff boff2 love2 love2 kiss2 kiss2 mushy fallinluv tonk

FUCK DONALD TRUMP
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Jill Jones on the unfinished second Paisley Park album: We (Jones and Prince) were kind of at two different roads. The song (“Boom Boom”) was from 1982 and it seemed forced. He kept remixing it. I went to do the video, but, it was late, it was too late. And I just ended up going back to New York, got married and waited until my contract expired. During this time he called me-- and I was at a friend's house-- and said, "you don't have any charisma, you should dye your hair black and you need to get breast implants like Brigitte Nielsen." I was furious... Dickens (CEO of Warner Brothers UK) was instrumental at one point with Roger Davies, my manager, when we were trying to complete my second album alone. Without Prince. But, Prince rejected every attempt we tried.

disbelief eek

Just from observation... I think Prince reacted like that because 1. he was in a darker mood that increased into the later 1987 period as others in the camp said was because of the break up of the Revolution and Susannah 2. That Jill Jones did not believe in him and his scene and vision, not that she didn't but I think that might be how Prince was interpreting things.

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"Boom Boom" by Jill Jones (1990)

HOT DIZAMMMMMN!!!!! dead nuts shocked omfg booty! woot! music headbang err sexy excited drool3 worship lick clapping drooling dancing jig boogie love jerkoff horny boff boff2 love2 love2 kiss2 kiss2 mushy fallinluv tonk

From Princevault:

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Boom, Boom (Can't U Feel The Beat Of My Heart) is an unreleased song recorded in Summer 1982 at Prince's Kiowa Trail Home Studio in Chanhassen, Minnesota (along with several other tracks that would re-appear over the next several years). somewhere in 1986 Prince revamped, recording Jill Jones vocals on it for possibly use on the Jill Jones album. It was placed on a November '86 configuration of that album as fifth track following Rough and segueing into My Man, but (with Rough) was left off the final configuration.

In the summer of 1989 the track was revamped completely with new instrumentation and Jill Jones re-cutting her vocals at Paisley Park Studios in Chanhassen, Minnesota, for possible use on the proposed second album by Jill Jones (along with My Baby Knows, from the same sessions, andFlesh And Blood and Am I Without U?). A video clip was produced for the song at this point, indicating that it may have been intended as the first single from the album, but the album was not completed, as Prince and Jill Jones disagreed on the direction of the album, with Jill Jones wanting to sing more mature songs than Prince was providing.

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Again, this was originally a Prince song, so I think it is more suited for him to sing - coming from a male perspective. Looks like she did dye her hair black though, and did the sex-pot thing for the video....

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