Before I answer this (and I think I have shared it before) I want to clarify again that I am just stating here, not judging. I didn't know anything about Mayte back then, therefore I can recall things neutral. I was still very young myself then (17) and knew nothing about his world.

We went out to the hotel where everyone was staying that night (it was after the MTV awards and P was still to play his Tears Palace aftershow later on) and he and Mayte arrived in separate cars. He was first and flirted a bit with the few of us who had come out there in the cold. Mayte and the NPG arrived a little later, along with the Prodigy (the band of bad boys from the UK who had their big break that year). Mayte was posing with them and I'll never forget her face - she was beaming. Something I never saw her do with P. It was shortly after the show, so maybe she was still pumped but she seemed unnaturally erratic to us. My friend who had experienced a bit said Mayte was on. I was too naive to be able to tell, I was more looking at her as a dancer and I found it cool that you could make a living just with jumping around on stage a bit. She seemed so much older to us and cosmopolitan and she could've been a role model but something was off. She seemed very cool, nothing like the naive girl that she always says she was. Even more so when she and P entered the hotel. He was whispering something in her ear, telling by their faces a command, but it was almost as if she was in charge.

SkipperLove said:

What were your and your friend's impressions of her?

CatB said:

And Egypt, don't forget Egypt.

Dancing after hours at German restaurants, thus bending the German Law on child labor...

Going to the same high school as Priscilla over here probably gave her and her mama the idea to adopt the Elvis-and-the-teenager story for herself. When I first met P and her in November '94 she had just turned 23. My friend whom I went with that night was a huge Prince fan and she told me all about his girl and that she was only 22 (we didn't know then that it had just been her bday) and she seemed even older to us.

violetcrush said:

CatB said:

And Egypt, don't forget Egypt.

Dancing after hours at German restaurants, thus bending the German Law on child labor...

Going to the same high school as Priscilla over here probably gave her and her mama the idea to adopt the Elvis-and-the-teenager story for herself. When I first met P and her in November '94 she had just turned 23. My friend whom I went with that night was a huge Prince fan and she told me all about his girl and that she was only 22 (we didn't know then that it had just been her bday) and she seemed even older to us.

Ahhh, interesting. Well, she was one of his girls then, right?? Wasn't he still seeing Nona at this point?

I don't know. At the time I was no fan of his. I loved his music but never really knew anything about his personal life then. It was right when he had gone Symbol and I found him weird then (sorry P... but he knows). I don't think we ever heard of Nona over here at the time.

My friend only knew that Mayte (we didn't even recall her name then) was his "new chick", merely repeating what was in the teen mags of course.

I am quite fond of Friend, lover, sister, mother, wife but I agree that some of the other songs felt obligatory.

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I remember the interview where she said that about not being able to call him. I was mainly referring to the love songs on Disc 2. I know Prince spoke a little in some interviews at the time about how a few of the songs such as "Let Have A Baby",Friend,Lover,Sister,Mother Wife" and "The Holy River"came to be. I would like to hear her memories of them.She shared what she remembered of the inspiration for "Comeback"in the Schkopi interview but I don't remember her talking about the recording of it.I'll have to watch it again. I love "Sleep Around" and I have wondered about what and who inspired it.

Yes, I'm not trying to take anything away from her regarding the songs for the marriage/baby, but to me they are just not that great. I do love "Comeback" - it is a beautiful, heartwrenching song.

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The songs that intrigue me the most on Emancipation are those about longing and missing someone. I love "Sleep Around" too and also "Soul Santuary", which is such a beautiful song about seeing an ex lover's reflection in the mirror, thinking of her, and feeling hope and joy in remembering the love they shared. Interestingly, this song is on Disc 2, along with Joint 2 Joint, which are not connected with the marriage/baby.

CatB said:

Before I answer this (and I think I have shared it before) I want to clarify again that I am just stating here, not judging. I didn't know anything about Mayte back then, therefore I can recall things neutral. I was still very young myself then (17) and knew nothing about his world.

We went out to the hotel where everyone was staying that night (it was after the MTV awards and P was still to play his Tears Palace aftershow later on) and he and Mayte arrived in separate cars. He was first and flirted a bit with the few of us who had come out there in the cold. Mayte and the NPG arrived a little later, along with the Prodigy (the band of bad boys from the UK who had their big break that year). Mayte was posing with them and I'll never forget her face - she was beaming. Something I never saw her do with P. It was shortly after the show, so maybe she was still pumped but she seemed unnaturally erratic to us. My friend who had experienced a bit said Mayte was on. I was too naive to be able to tell, I was more looking at her as a dancer and I found it cool that you could make a living just with jumping around on stage a bit. She seemed so much older to us and cosmopolitan and she could've been a role model but something was off. She seemed very cool, nothing like the naive girl that she always says she was. Even more so when she and P entered the hotel. He was whispering something in her ear, telling by their faces a command, but it was almost as if she was in charge.

SkipperLove said:

What were your and your friend's impressions of her?

This was in '94?? So, she would have been about 21-22, right? It makes sense that at 17 she would have seemed much older to you, and I'm sure she was actually "older" than her age by that point, having spent several years with Prince's camp. I imagine she had to grow up fairly fast to keep up with his world. I remember at 19 I was hired as a cocktail waitress at a nightclub (I had applied for a waitressing job on the restaurant side, but the Manager wanted me to serve drinks at the club), and all of the other girls were in their early to mid 20's, and they seemed much older to me.

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When I watched the video of the press junket they did in Spain to promote the '98 tour, it seemed to me that he was in control. When they sat down at the table she was sitting further away from him, and he leaned over and said, "sit closer". She immediately moved her chair toward him.

SkipperLove said:

I am quite fond of Friend, lover, sister, mother, wife but I agree that some of the other songs felt obligatory.

violetcrush said:

Yes, I'm not trying to take anything away from her regarding the songs for the marriage/baby, but to me they are just not that great. I do love "Comeback" - it is a beautiful, heartwrenching song.

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The songs that intrigue me the most on Emancipation are those about longing and missing someone. I love "Sleep Around" too and also "Soul Santuary", which is such a beautiful song about seeing an ex lover's reflection in the mirror, thinking of her, and feeling hope and joy in remembering the love they shared. Interestingly, this song is on Disc 2, along with Joint 2 Joint, which are not connected with the marriage/baby.

See that one seemed obligtory to me as well. Just very "syrupy" and not inspired at all. Especially when you play it against Adore or Forever In My Life - those are the quintessential intensely inspired and emotional Prince love songs in my opinion.

Hard to know what's in people's heads or the complete context, but I will say that any young woman who breaks through into the inter-circle of a pop star (beyond just a one-night stand/groupie status) to be his solo dancer and later wife is not entirely naive or without a sense of command or self-regard. I am sure there were plenty of naive girls he could have married who were less ambitious and more willing to hide in the background as housewives.

At times, he and she seemed natural together from the outside looking in (like when P was inducting Clinton into the hall of fame or when P got the award from Stevie Wonder). Other times, their union felt like an artistic choice. The fact that she said she never saw him without makeup on and there are pictures of him and Manuela together in which Prince doesn't have makeup on--speaks volumes to me.

CatB said:

Before I answer this (and I think I have shared it before) I want to clarify again that I am just stating here, not judging. I didn't know anything about Mayte back then, therefore I can recall things neutral. I was still very young myself then (17) and knew nothing about his world.

We went out to the hotel where everyone was staying that night (it was after the MTV awards and P was still to play his Tears Palace aftershow later on) and he and Mayte arrived in separate cars. He was first and flirted a bit with the few of us who had come out there in the cold. Mayte and the NPG arrived a little later, along with the Prodigy (the band of bad boys from the UK who had their big break that year). Mayte was posing with them and I'll never forget her face - she was beaming. Something I never saw her do with P. It was shortly after the show, so maybe she was still pumped but she seemed unnaturally erratic to us. My friend who had experienced a bit said Mayte was on. I was too naive to be able to tell, I was more looking at her as a dancer and I found it cool that you could make a living just with jumping around on stage a bit. She seemed so much older to us and cosmopolitan and she could've been a role model but something was off. She seemed very cool, nothing like the naive girl that she always says she was. Even more so when she and P entered the hotel. He was whispering something in her ear, telling by their faces a command, but it was almost as if she was in charge.

SkipperLove said:

What were your and your friend's impressions of her?

Adore is crazy passionate. Forever in My Life is hopeful/naive. BUT FLSMW (to me) is an older man feeling content (whether he felt that way or just wanted to feel that way, we will never know--but I feel that is the vibe intended for the song.)

violetcrush said:

SkipperLove said:

I am quite fond of Friend, lover, sister, mother, wife but I agree that some of the other songs felt obligatory.

See that one seemed obligtory to me as well. Just very "syrupy" and not inspired at all. Especially when you play it against Adore or Forever In My Life - those are the quintessential intensely inspired and emotional Prince love songs in my opinion.

CatB said:

violetcrush said:

Ahhh, interesting. Well, she was one of his girls then, right?? Wasn't he still seeing Nona at this point?

I don't know. At the time I was no fan of his. I loved his music but never really knew anything about his personal life then. It was right when he had gone Symbol and I found him weird then (sorry P... but he knows). I don't think we ever heard of Nona over here at the time.

My friend only knew that Mayte (we didn't even recall her name then) was his "new chick", merely repeating what was in the teen mags of course.

You were not alone - most thought he was weird then Seemed he was in personal and professional turmoil during that time. I was a teenager during 1999 and PR, and was like, what the heck??. Moved away from his music for awhile and got into alternative rock.

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Poor Nona - seems he really played her for awhile, but he was certainly always quite the player

SkipperLove said:

Adore is crazy passionate. Forever in My Life is hopeful/naive. BUT FLSMW (to me) is an older man feeling content (whether he felt that way or just wanted to feel that way, we will never know--but I feel that is the vibe intended for the song.)

violetcrush said:

See that one seemed obligtory to me as well. Just very "syrupy" and not inspired at all. Especially when you play it against Adore or Forever In My Life - those are the quintessential intensely inspired and emotional Prince love songs in my opinion.

I see Forever In My Life as a passionate plea to the woman he loves that he is ready to settle down with her, and to please not leave him. It is hopeful too, but also very emotional and passionate - "whatever's wrong in my world girl, you can make right, you are my saviour, you are my light, forever I want you girl, in my life". I mean, that is just....wow.

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I think FLSMW was him telling himself he wanted to settle down, because she was having his child. Just my opinion though...

SkipperLove said:

I thought she joined him at 17 1/2 after she graduated from high school, and it sounds like she eventually adapted and didn't go running back to mom and dad. But I do agree that mommy and daddy should have toured with her or not let her go. They are lucky she did't get raped or sexually taken advantage of by some member of his large entourage at the time. Prince earned their trust (or paid for it by virtue of his fame) but their assumptions that everything would be okay with their daughter was naive at best, careless at worst.

violetcrush said:

SkipperLove said:

Hard to know what's in people's heads or the complete context, but I will say that any young woman who breaks through into the inter-circle of a pop star (beyond just a one-night stand/groupie status) to be his solo dancer and later wife is not entirely naive or without a sense of command or self-regard. I am sure there were plenty of naive girls he could have married who were less ambitious and more willing to hide in the background as housewives.

At times, he and she seemed natural together from the outside looking in (like when P was inducting Clinton into the hall of fame or when P got the award from Stevie Wonder). Other times, their union felt like an artistic choice. The fact that she said she never saw him without makeup on and there are pictures of him and Manuela together in which Prince doesn't have makeup on--speaks volumes to me.

I know the Engineers working at PP at the time she first arrived have stated she was like a "deer in headlights" - just no clue about what was going on. It makes sense - a 16-17 yr old girl coming in to work closely with a 32 yr old established rock star. Just crazy. No doubt she looked at him like a father figure with the age difference. Shame on her parents for placing her in that situation alone.

[Edited 7/16/18 12:59pm]

SkipperLove said:

Well, its sounds like she eventually adapted and didn't go running back to mom and dad. But I agree that mommy and daddy should have toured with her or not let her go. They are lucky she did't get raped or sexually taking advantage of by some member of his large entourage at the time. Maybe that speaks volumes about the professionalism of that setting.

violetcrush said:

SkipperLove said: I know the Engineers working at PP at the time she first arrived have stated she was like a "deer in headlights" - just no clue about what was going on. It makes sense - a 16-17 yr old girl coming in to work closely with a 32 yr old established rock star. Just crazy. No doubt she looked at him like a father figure with the age difference. Shame on her parents for placing her in that situation alone.

Right - she met him at 16 and they wrote letters for about a year, but she was not a legal adult when she moved to MN.

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Yes, I have no doubt Prince made sure she would be safe, and he ran a very professional camp. However, at lease one of her parents should have been there with her in the earlier stages. I have an 11 yr old daughter, and I don't care how talented I think she is (and we know from the old video footage that it was more about Mayte's appearance than talent) I would never put her in that situation - not without being there with her. The price some people pay to be in the limelight I guess....

[Edited 7/16/18 13:01pm]

Well, he was a bit more of an expert at press conferences than Mayte...that's for sure.

violetcrush said:

CatB said:

Before I answer this (and I think I have shared it before) I want to clarify again that I am just stating here, not judging. I didn't know anything about Mayte back then, therefore I can recall things neutral. I was still very young myself then (17) and knew nothing about his world.

We went out to the hotel where everyone was staying that night (it was after the MTV awards and P was still to play his Tears Palace aftershow later on) and he and Mayte arrived in separate cars. He was first and flirted a bit with the few of us who had come out there in the cold. Mayte and the NPG arrived a little later, along with the Prodigy (the band of bad boys from the UK who had their big break that year). Mayte was posing with them and I'll never forget her face - she was beaming. Something I never saw her do with P. It was shortly after the show, so maybe she was still pumped but she seemed unnaturally erratic to us. My friend who had experienced a bit said Mayte was on. I was too naive to be able to tell, I was more looking at her as a dancer and I found it cool that you could make a living just with jumping around on stage a bit. She seemed so much older to us and cosmopolitan and she could've been a role model but something was off. She seemed very cool, nothing like the naive girl that she always says she was. Even more so when she and P entered the hotel. He was whispering something in her ear, telling by their faces a command, but it was almost as if she was in charge.

This was in '94?? So, she would have been about 21-22, right? It makes sense that at 17 she would have seemed much older to you, and I'm sure she was actually "older" than her age by that point, having spent several years with Prince's camp. I imagine she had to grow up fairly fast to keep up with his world. I remember at 19 I was hired as a cocktail waitress at a nightclub (I had applied for a waitressing job on the restaurant side, but the Manager wanted me to serve drinks at the club), and all of the other girls were in their early to mid 20's, and they seemed much older to me.

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When I watched the video of the press junket they did in Spain to promote the '98 tour, it seemed to me that he was in control. When they sat down at the table she was sitting further away from him, and he leaned over and said, "sit closer". She immediately moved her chair toward him.

They all knew he was a player going in

violetcrush said:

CatB said:

I don't know. At the time I was no fan of his. I loved his music but never really knew anything about his personal life then. It was right when he had gone Symbol and I found him weird then (sorry P... but he knows). I don't think we ever heard of Nona over here at the time.

My friend only knew that Mayte (we didn't even recall her name then) was his "new chick", merely repeating what was in the teen mags of course.

You were not alone - most thought he was weird then Seemed he was in personal and professional turmoil during that time. I was a teenager during 1999 and PR, and was like, what the heck??. Moved away from his music for awhile and got into alternative rock.

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Poor Nona - seems he really played her for awhile, but he was certainly always quite the player

I agree.

violetcrush said:

SkipperLove said:

Well, its sounds like she eventually adapted and didn't go running back to mom and dad. But I agree that mommy and daddy should have toured with her or not let her go. They are lucky she did't get raped or sexually taking advantage of by some member of his large entourage at the time. Maybe that speaks volumes about the professionalism of that setting.

Right - she met him at 16 and they wrote letters for about a year, but she was not a legal adult when she moved to MN.

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Yes, I have no doubt Prince made sure she would be safe, and he ran a very professional camp. However, at lease one of her parents should have been there with her in the earlier stages. I have an 11 yr old daughter, and I don't care how talented I think she is (and we know from the old video footage that it was more about Mayte's appearance than talent) I would never put her in that situation - not without being there with her. The price some people pay to be in the limelight I guess....

[Edited 7/16/18 13:01pm]

SkipperLove said:

Well, he was a bit more of an expert at press conferences than Mayte...that's for sure.

violetcrush said:

This was in '94?? So, she would have been about 21-22, right? It makes sense that at 17 she would have seemed much older to you, and I'm sure she was actually "older" than her age by that point, having spent several years with Prince's camp. I imagine she had to grow up fairly fast to keep up with his world. I remember at 19 I was hired as a cocktail waitress at a nightclub (I had applied for a waitressing job on the restaurant side, but the Manager wanted me to serve drinks at the club), and all of the other girls were in their early to mid 20's, and they seemed much older to me.

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When I watched the video of the press junket they did in Spain to promote the '98 tour, it seemed to me that he was in control. When they sat down at the table she was sitting further away from him, and he leaned over and said, "sit closer". She immediately moved her chair toward him.

Yes, he was. She had a slight advantage at this one, because she speaks Spanish. So, she did answer some questions as well. My impression when seeing them during public appearances was that she knew her place - so to speak - and was there to help him shine, which I'm sure is exactly the way he wanted it.

violetcrush said:

CatB said:

I don't know. At the time I was no fan of his. I loved his music but never really knew anything about his personal life then. It was right when he had gone Symbol and I found him weird then (sorry P... but he knows). I don't think we ever heard of Nona over here at the time.

My friend only knew that Mayte (we didn't even recall her name then) was his "new chick", merely repeating what was in the teen mags of course.

You were not alone - most thought he was weird then Seemed he was in personal and professional turmoil during that time. I was a teenager during 1999 and PR, and was like, what the heck??. Moved away from his music for awhile and got into alternative rock.

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Poor Nona - seems he really played her for awhile, but he was certainly always quite the player

ditto to all of that^^^^^^^esp the bold

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I remember the interview where she said that about not being able to call him. I was mainly referring to the love songs on Disc 2. I know Prince spoke a little in some interviews at the time about how a few of the songs such as "Let Have A Baby",Friend,Lover,Sister,Mother Wife" and "The Holy River"came to be. I would like to hear her memories of them.She shared what she remembered of the inspiration for "Comeback"in the Schkopi interview but I don't remember her talking about the recording of it.I'll have to watch it again. I love "Sleep Around" and I have wondered about what and who inspired it.

Yes, I'm not trying to take anything away from her regarding the songs for the marriage/baby, but to me they are just not that great. I do love "Comeback" - it is a beautiful, heartwrenching song.

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The songs that intrigue me the most on Emancipation are those about longing and missing someone. I love "Sleep Around" too and also "Soul Santuary", which is such a beautiful song about seeing an ex lover's reflection in the mirror, thinking of her, and feeling hope and joy in remembering the love they shared. Interestingly, this song is on Disc 2, along with Joint 2 Joint, which are not connected with the marriage/baby.

I love "Soul Sanctuary" also and the lyrics are intriguing.That's true about "J2J."and it segues into "Holy River." I agree that a few of the love songs on the album are not connected to the marriage and baby and have a completely different theme. I think "Savior"has beautiful lyrics and seem to be a reflection of his feelings at the time of the album's release.

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, I'm not trying to take anything away from her regarding the songs for the marriage/baby, but to me they are just not that great. I do love "Comeback" - it is a beautiful, heartwrenching song.

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The songs that intrigue me the most on Emancipation are those about longing and missing someone. I love "Sleep Around" too and also "Soul Santuary", which is such a beautiful song about seeing an ex lover's reflection in the mirror, thinking of her, and feeling hope and joy in remembering the love they shared. Interestingly, this song is on Disc 2, along with Joint 2 Joint, which are not connected with the marriage/baby.

I love "Soul Sanctuary" also and the lyrics are intriguing.That's true about "J2J."and it segues into "Holy River." I agree that a few of the love songs on the album are not connected to the marriage and baby and have a completely different theme. I think "Savior"has beautiful lyrics and seem to be a reflection of his feelings at the time of the album's release.

My take on the album is that he had a completely different idea for it, and lineup of songs already sequenced - especially when you consider that "Goodbye" was originally planned to be the last song on the album on a '95 configuration. Then, in early '96, all of the marriage/baby songs were recorded and added to the lineup. I'm not that impressed with "Saviour" either -again, just don't think the lyrics are that inspired. It's almost like he's trying to convince himself in the song.

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Here's the early configurations of the album from princevault:

• July 1995 configuration

1. Right Back Here In My Arms
2. Slave
3. (Slowly Candle Burns)
4. New World
5. 2020
6. Feel Good
7. Journey 2 The Center Of Your ♥
8. D.J.
9. Emancipation

• undated 1995 configuration

1. Slave
2. New World
3. (Slowly Candle Burns)
4. 2020
5. Feel Good
6. Right Back Here In My Arms
7. Journey 2 The Center Of Your ♥
8. D.J.
9. (Excuse Me Is This) Goodbye
10. Emancipation

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I love "Soul Sanctuary" also and the lyrics are intriguing.That's true about "J2J."and it segues into "Holy River." I agree that a few of the love songs on the album are not connected to the marriage and baby and have a completely different theme. I think "Savior"has beautiful lyrics and seem to be a reflection of his feelings at the time of the album's release.

My take on the album is that he had a completely different idea for it, and lineup of songs already sequenced - especially when you consider that "Goodbye" was originally planned to be the last song on the album on a '95 configuration. Then, in early '96, all of the marriage/baby songs were recorded and added to the lineup. I'm not that impressed with "Saviour" either -again, just don't think the lyrics are that inspired. It's almost like he's trying to convince himself in the song.

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Here's the early configurations of the album from princevault:

• July 1995 configuration

1. Right Back Here In My Arms
2. Slave
3. (Slowly Candle Burns)
4. New World
5. 2020
6. Feel Good
7. Journey 2 The Center Of Your ♥
8. D.J.
9. Emancipation

• undated 1995 configuration

1. Slave
2. New World
3. (Slowly Candle Burns)
4. 2020
5. Feel Good
6. Right Back Here In My Arms
7. Journey 2 The Center Of Your ♥
8. D.J.
9. (Excuse Me Is This) Goodbye
10. Emancipation

But, "Goodbye".....oh lawd, it doesn't get much better than that!!!!!!!!!

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I just want to give him a big hug when I listen to that song. Or better yet, be the subject of that song

Okay, it seems like we are slightly off topic here. So back to the documentary, what I'd like to see would be a docu that would really be a benefit for his legacy, keeping it alive and what's really important is: Introducing him to a younger audience, that's important for his legacy, newer generations need the chance to be introduced to his body of work. Yes he has his fanbase but people get older and Prince himself kind of ruined it when he wouldn't put his stuff online etc. So what the estate, or other people should do if they really want to do something about or for Prince is something for his legacy.

This Docu should only be about Prince, his music, his influence and if she really does it, talk about the whole Symbol era. I don't know how much she witnessed back then, but she could have other people who were around back then talking about it too.

So please if anyone out of Mayte's camp is reading this thread (And I have an idea who definitely would), let her know what we definitely don't want to see, remember we are the people you want to reach, so yeah, our opinions matters, don't you think?) The last thing we need or want is the love story, people can already read it in the book.

There's nothing we could do to stop anyone from doing a documentary, but if there really has to be one, it should be one that's good for his legacy, nothing else should matter.

I think Mayte has done ENOUGH: Hollywood Exes, her book, her Stage-Its, etc. But, of course, she cares not one bit what others think. She seems to feel entitled to do whatever the heck she wants to do when it comes to Prince's legacy. And his family and friends seem to agree. Personally, I will just ignore her and NEVER pay one red cent to support her money-grabbing.

violetcrush said:

CatB said:

Before I answer this (and I think I have shared it before) I want to clarify again that I am just stating here, not judging. I didn't know anything about Mayte back then, therefore I can recall things neutral. I was still very young myself then (17) and knew nothing about his world.

We went out to the hotel where everyone was staying that night (it was after the MTV awards and P was still to play his Tears Palace aftershow later on) and he and Mayte arrived in separate cars. He was first and flirted a bit with the few of us who had come out there in the cold. Mayte and the NPG arrived a little later, along with the Prodigy (the band of bad boys from the UK who had their big break that year). Mayte was posing with them and I'll never forget her face - she was beaming. Something I never saw her do with P. It was shortly after the show, so maybe she was still pumped but she seemed unnaturally erratic to us. My friend who had experienced a bit said Mayte was on. I was too naive to be able to tell, I was more looking at her as a dancer and I found it cool that you could make a living just with jumping around on stage a bit. She seemed so much older to us and cosmopolitan and she could've been a role model but something was off. She seemed very cool, nothing like the naive girl that she always says she was. Even more so when she and P entered the hotel. He was whispering something in her ear, telling by their faces a command, but it was almost as if she was in charge.

This was in '94?? So, she would have been about 21-22, right? It makes sense that at 17 she would have seemed much older to you, and I'm sure she was actually "older" than her age by that point, having spent several years with Prince's camp. I imagine she had to grow up fairly fast to keep up with his world. I remember at 19 I was hired as a cocktail waitress at a nightclub (I had applied for a waitressing job on the restaurant side, but the Manager wanted me to serve drinks at the club), and all of the other girls were in their early to mid 20's, and they seemed much older to me.

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When I watched the video of the press junket they did in Spain to promote the '98 tour, it seemed to me that he was in control. When they sat down at the table she was sitting further away from him, and he leaned over and said, "sit closer". She immediately moved her chair toward him.

She had just turned 23.

I was also older than my age and I believe I had to grow up a little faster than her. I had no mother and grew up with violence and abuse. No pity please, just so you get the perspective.

It's fair to say he was in professional control, yes. Beyond that, though. I'm not so sure.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Okay, it seems like we are slightly off topic here. So back to the documentary, what I'd like to see would be a docu that would really be a benefit for his legacy, keeping it alive and what's really important is: Introducing him to a younger audience, that's important for his legacy, newer generations need the chance to be introduced to his body of work. Yes he has his fanbase but people get older and Prince himself kind of ruined it when he wouldn't put his stuff online etc. So what the estate, or other people should do if they really want to do something about or for Prince is something for his legacy.

This Docu should only be about Prince, his music, his influence and if she really does it, talk about the whole Symbol era. I don't know how much she witnessed back then, but she could have other people who were around back then talking about it too.

So please if anyone out of Mayte's camp is reading this thread (And I have an idea who definitely would), let her know what we definitely don't want to see, remember we are the people you want to reach, so yeah, our opinions matters, don't you think?) The last thing we need or want is the love story, people can already read it in the book.

There's nothing we could do to stop anyone from doing a documentary, but if there really has to be one, it should be one that's good for his legacy, nothing else should matter.

Agreed. But, I'm guessing in order to gain real knowledge and insight into that period with regard to his music we would need to hear more from band members, Engineers, and the PP Management during that time. There was a great RS article published called "Prince in the 90's: An Oral History" which included discussions with the first NPG members, and some of the early 90's management. It would need to be a collaborated effort and include many from the camp at that time.

violetcrush said:

CatB said:

I don't know. At the time I was no fan of his. I loved his music but never really knew anything about his personal life then. It was right when he had gone Symbol and I found him weird then (sorry P... but he knows). I don't think we ever heard of Nona over here at the time.

My friend only knew that Mayte (we didn't even recall her name then) was his "new chick", merely repeating what was in the teen mags of course.

You were not alone - most thought he was weird then Seemed he was in personal and professional turmoil during that time. I was a teenager during 1999 and PR, and was like, what the heck??. Moved away from his music for awhile and got into alternative rock.

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Poor Nona - seems he really played her for awhile, but he was certainly always quite the player

Cool, alternative bands - me too. I agree, he didn't seem happy with his life at the time.

A player he was, yes. And you probably think of the US only. He loved Europe too and Europe loved him

violetcrush said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Okay, it seems like we are slightly off topic here. So back to the documentary, what I'd like to see would be a docu that would really be a benefit for his legacy, keeping it alive and what's really important is: Introducing him to a younger audience, that's important for his legacy, newer generations need the chance to be introduced to his body of work. Yes he has his fanbase but people get older and Prince himself kind of ruined it when he wouldn't put his stuff online etc. So what the estate, or other people should do if they really want to do something about or for Prince is something for his legacy.

This Docu should only be about Prince, his music, his influence and if she really does it, talk about the whole Symbol era. I don't know how much she witnessed back then, but she could have other people who were around back then talking about it too.

So please if anyone out of Mayte's camp is reading this thread (And I have an idea who definitely would), let her know what we definitely don't want to see, remember we are the people you want to reach, so yeah, our opinions matters, don't you think?) The last thing we need or want is the love story, people can already read it in the book.

There's nothing we could do to stop anyone from doing a documentary, but if there really has to be one, it should be one that's good for his legacy, nothing else should matter.

Agreed. But, I'm guessing in order to gain real knowledge and insight into that period with regard to his music we would need to hear more from band members, Engineers, and the PP Management during that time. There was a great RS article published called "Prince in the 90's: An Oral History" which included discussions with the first NPG members, and some of the early 90's management. It would need to be a collaborated effort and include many from the camp at that time.

I agree with all you said here. If she really wants to do it, she needs to involve people who simply have more knowledge. She can't do it on her own anyway

ThatWhiteDude said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Okay, it seems like we are slightly off topic here. So back to the documentary, what I'd like to see would be a docu that would really be a benefit for his legacy, keeping it alive and what's really important is: Introducing him to a younger audience, that's important for his legacy, newer generations need the chance to be introduced to his body of work. Yes he has his fanbase but people get older and Prince himself kind of ruined it when he wouldn't put his stuff online etc. So what the estate, or other people should do if they really want to do something about or for Prince is something for his legacy.

This Docu should only be about Prince, his music, his influence and if she really does it, talk about the whole Symbol era. I don't know how much she witnessed back then, but she could have other people who were around back then talking about it too.

So please if anyone out of Mayte's camp is reading this thread (And I have an idea who definitely would), let her know what we definitely don't want to see, remember we are the people you want to reach, so yeah, our opinions matters, don't you think?) The last thing we need or want is the love story, people can already read it in the book.

There's nothing we could do to stop anyone from doing a documentary, but if there really has to be one, it should be one that's good for his legacy, nothing else should matter.

I think a doc focusing on the Symbol era would be a great idea! I would also love to hear her thoughts about The Gold Experience era and directing the video for "The One."

CatB said: