ChocolateBox3121 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

As would I!!! Prince was looking very fit and healthy during his time with Andy, so I would welcome seeing more photos of him from that era. I'd also love to see more of them together.

Yes he did! I remember when Andy called me. I later suspected Prince was in the background listening. Too bad I told her off

ChocolateBox3121 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Why did you tell her off? I remember that she asked fans to leave their number on her FB and that she called a few. I thought about doing it but decided not to. I also wondered if he may have been with her listening to the calls.

I thought it was someone playing on the phone. Because I have a LONG history of people doing that to me. Plus I was in a VERY bad mood that day. I let her have it! But she was so sweet about it. But U know how U can tell when someone else is on the phone? I later figured out he was listening. Because that sounds like something Prince would come up with. Andy had promised me something. But of course I NEVER heard from her again. I felt so bad. Fast foward months later after they broke up when I attended her show. I ran into her and.....

Ah. At least she was sweet about it! I thought it sounded like an idea of his as well which was why I decided against it. Did she remember that she talked with you?

Susu1976 said:

206Michelle said:

The Goldwater Rule does not apply to what I wrote because I did not render a professional opinion about Prince. Rather, I merely stated the well-supported research finding that addiction and depression are frequently comorbid occur together).

Sigh...You made an assessment based on opinion alone since you didn't site source(s) however accurate they may be in many cases. The Goldwater Rule can be applied and extended to anyone making diagnostical assumptions without proper diagnostic tools. Medico-Legal studies 101. Carry on.

Not to belabor this conversation, but here are sources regarding comorbidity between depression/mood disorders and addiction.

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"Comorbidity: Addiction and Other Mental Illnesses", Research Report Series, National Institute for Drug Addiction

Link: https://www.drugabuse.gov...bidity.pdf

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Brady, K.T., and Verduin, M.L. Pharmacotherapy of comorbid mood, anxiety, and substance use disorders. Subst Use Misuse 40:2021–2041; 2043–2048, 2005.

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Conway, K.P.; Compton, W.; Stinson, F.S.; and Grant, B.F. Lifetime comorbidity of DSM-IV mood and anxiety disorders and specific drug use disorders: Results from the National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions. J Clin Psychiatry 67(2):247–257, 2006.

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Quello, S.B.; Brady, K.T.; and Sonne, S.C. Mood disorders and substance abuse disorders: A complex comorbidity. Science & Practic

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Volkow, N.D. The reality of comorbidity: Depression and drug abuse. Biol Psychiatry 56(10):714– 717, 2004.

pinkcashmere23 said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

Does anyone know the last time they spoke to each other?

She's never said other than that they talked about the Piano Microphone shows in the documentary.Prince went to see her show in LA at Bootleg Theater September 10th 2015 so it may have been around then.

Was the documentary to which you refer the British documentary "Prince's Last Year"?

Link: https://www.billboard.com...ocumentary

pinkcashmere23 said:

80tomato said:

Was Andy interviewed for the investigation ...Long Gone is a favourite song of mine that she performed ( and I learned It on guitar) and I wonder if they broke up over his addiction ,,,the first line goes something like " you can change if u want to , that u dont is what I fear"

I don't know.I didn't see her name on what appeared to be a contact list. I kind of wondered the same thing honestly if his addiction may have been a factor. I love Long Gone too and that's cool you learned it on guitar and it is interesting lyrically.Andy said that Prince was inspired to write it after listening to Fire and Rain at Paisley and that they collaborated on it.

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I didn't see an interview with her from the Carver Co. investigation documents.

Link: https://www.nytimes.com/i...iles1.html

206Michelle said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

She's never said other than that they talked about the Piano Microphone shows in the documentary.Prince went to see her show in LA at Bootleg Theater September 10th 2015 so it may have been around then.

Was the documentary to which you refer the British documentary "Prince's Last Year"?

Link: https://www.billboard.com...ocumentary

Yes. She spoke as if he had discussed the idea of the PAAM shows with her at some point.She said that he wasn't sure about it because it was something that he had never done before and she said that she had encouraged him to do it because she felt that people should get the opportunity to see him perform as she had, when it was just him.She also said that she was sad that she didn't get to see the first shows at Paisley Park.

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pinkcashmere23 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I thought it was someone playing on the phone. Because I have a LONG history of people doing that to me. Plus I was in a VERY bad mood that day. I let her have it! But she was so sweet about it. But U know how U can tell when someone else is on the phone? I later figured out he was listening. Because that sounds like something Prince would come up with. Andy had promised me something. But of course I NEVER heard from her again. I felt so bad. Fast foward months later after they broke up when I attended her show. I ran into her and.....

Ah. At least she was sweet about it! I thought it sounded like an idea of his as well which was why I decided against it. Did she remember that she talked with you?

The breeze she left when she walked away from me was colder than a Minneapolis below zero winter.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Ah. At least she was sweet about it! I thought it sounded like an idea of his as well which was why I decided against it. Did she remember that she talked with you?

The breeze she left when she walked away from me was colder than a Minneapolis below zero winter.

I'll take that as a yes.

206Michelle said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I don't know.I didn't see her name on what appeared to be a contact list. I kind of wondered the same thing honestly if his addiction may have been a factor. I love Long Gone too and that's cool you learned it on guitar and it is interesting lyrically.Andy said that Prince was inspired to write it after listening to Fire and Rain at Paisley and that they collaborated on it.

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I didn't see an interview with her from the Carver Co. investigation documents.

Link: https://www.nytimes.com/i...iles1.html

I don't believe that she was interviewed. She seemed to be pretty far removed from the situation by then. I know that they spoke with Crystal and Mariah who were around when Andy was though so it could be that she declined.

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206Michelle said:

Doctors and “researchers” actually know scarily little about addiction.
Terms like “comorbidity factor” sound intelligent but are better left in the realm of describing strictly physical illnesses.

Addiction IS a “mental” illness. (of sorts)
In other words, it’s a “thinking” problem.
Once the thinking of a (sober) addict straightens out, meaning they think and view things sanely and are at peace, psychiatric medications fall away.

Many addicts think they are textbook “mentally ill” and go down a very long, futile road of medications, therapy and doctor-reliance, when they really need to run in another direction.
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anangellooksdown said:

benni said:

Angel, I have HUGE abandonment fears as well. I don't trust easy, never have. I actually have warned boyfriends of my trust issues, "If I give my trust to you, don't betray it, because you will never get it back." I've ended relationships because of broken trust. And I hung on for all its worth before realizing I had to let go because I just didn't trust them and was making myself and them miserable.

My abandonment issues don't manifest the way you are speaking. Yes, I will do whatever it takes to not be abandoned. However, once the relationship is over, it is over, and there is no going back. I try to remain friends, but it doesn't work out, so I let them go. However, what I do is that I don't tend to let anyone get close to me. I guess in a weird way, I abandon them before they can ever get the chance to abandon me. I have so many burned bridges behind me. If I am the one to end the relationship, it goes much smoother, because I have worked through the pain already of letting them go, while in the relationship. If they end the relationship, I will hang on for all it's worth, because of the fear of being abandoned. If I end the relationship, I don't feel abandoned by ending it, if they end the relationship, then I definitely feel abandoned.

Hi Benni, thank you for sharing that. Not everyone’s conditioning manifests in the same way. In my case I would attach too quickly - and with people I didn’t trust. But that’s not all. There were other manifestations too. And of course when we end it our ego is fine, but then we start it up all over again until they do the leaving, so we can feel our abandonment and pain that we are so familiar with. Our attractions don’t change until we do very deep work.

Wow. So deep ladies. Love 2 u both.

anangellooksdown said:

Also sometimes you just have to let people say what they’re going to and keep things to yourself. [Edited 5/3/18 19:47pm]

Well I very much appreciate you trying to set the record straight angel. Thank you. It is nice to know Prince was trying to heal.

pinkcashmere23 said:

206Michelle said:

I didn't see an interview with her from the Carver Co. investigation documents.

Link: https://www.nytimes.com/i...iles1.html

I don't believe that she was interviewed. She seemed to be pretty far removed from the situation by then. I know that they spoke with Crystal and Mariah who were around when Andy was though so it could be that she declined.

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I have not read or heard anything to suggest that she declined to be interviewed by the authorities. If anything, they probably did not contact her. It seems, to me, that they left a LOT of stones unturned.

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I don't believe that she was interviewed. She seemed to be pretty far removed from the situation by then. I know that they spoke with Crystal and Mariah who were around when Andy was though so it could be that she declined.

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I have not read or heard anything to suggest that she declined to be interviewed by the authorities. If anything, they probably did not contact her. It seems, to me, that they left a LOT of stones unturned.

They really did.Since they asked Judith who his past girlfriends were, it looks like they would have wanted to contact them, though I could see Bria declining to speak to them as well.No one,including the media has asked Andy any personal questions about Prince and I don't believe she was asked when she last spoke with him either like the other associates have. Unless she was asked that during her interview for the documentary and they cut it out.

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pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I have not read or heard anything to suggest that she declined to be interviewed by the authorities. If anything, they probably did not contact her. It seems, to me, that they left a LOT of stones unturned.

They really did.Since they asked Judith who his past girlfriends were it looks like they would have wanted to contact them though I could see Bria declining to speak to them as well.No one,including the media has asked Andy any personal questions about Prince and I don't believe she was asked when she last spoke with him either like the other associates have. Unless she was asked that during her interview for the documentary and they cut it out.

Again, there is a very good possibility that they were not contacted. I was stunned that even his bodyguard Chris Gaithers was only interviewed because he initiated contact with the authorities. They thanked him for calling them and explained, to my astonishment, that they had no way of reaching anyone unless someone provided their contact information? I remember they even asked him if he knew how to reach Judith Hill and Kiran. He said that he would try to track down their numbers. I don't recall them asking about Andy or Bria.

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

They really did.Since they asked Judith who his past girlfriends were it looks like they would have wanted to contact them though I could see Bria declining to speak to them as well.No one,including the media has asked Andy any personal questions about Prince and I don't believe she was asked when she last spoke with him either like the other associates have. Unless she was asked that during her interview for the documentary and they cut it out.

Again, there is a very good possibility that they were not contacted. I was stunned that even his bodyguard Chris Gaithers was only interviewed because he initiated contact with the authorities. They thanked him for calling them and explained, to my astonishment, that they had no way of reaching anyone unless someone provided their contact information? I remember they even asked him if he knew how to reach Judith Hill and Kiran. He said that he would try to track down their numbers. I don't recall them asking about Andy or Bria.

I was surprised by that too. It's very possible that they weren't contacted. Andy has never spoken about anything pertaining to the investigation or his passing that I know of. She said very little even in the documentary.

I’m slowly catching up here. Thanks ladies for sharing. I wouldn’t know anything
About his ladies post 1988/89 if not for the org. I didn’t start my “Prince’s
Ladies” (1990- R.I.P.) 101 education till I joined the org frankly. You guys should write a guide book!! Thanks for catching me up!
I recall being at the Tribute in October 2016 and I was blown away by a woman in
Gold dress, I didn’t know it was JH at the time.
And sadly I think that it was probably the mood swings due to the addiction that
Triggered Andy away. No one really minds a happy drunk so to speak. Sigh.

purplefam99 said:

I’m slowly catching up here. Thanks ladies for sharing. I wouldn’t know anything About his ladies post 1988/89 if not for the org. I didn’t start my “Prince’s Ladies” (1990- R.I.P.) 101 education till I joined the org frankly. You guys should write a guide book!! Thanks for catching me up! I recall being at the Tribute in October 2016 and I was blown away by a woman in Gold dress, I didn’t know it was JH at the time. And sadly I think that it was probably the mood swings due to the addiction that Triggered Andy away. No one really minds a happy drunk so to speak. Sigh.

Judith gave an amazing performance at the Tribute! Great that you got to see it live. I wonder as well if he may have been having mood swings during his time with Andy and that was her reason for leaving. His business affairs manager Crystal said that he was having mood swings during her time with him but she also said that there was a time that he was completely sober.She said that he started using the drugs again before she left in 2014/15 and that was her reason for not working for him anymore.

pinkcashmere23 said:

What he really wanted was a hug.

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes pink her performance and mayte’s instrumental belly dance left me choked up
I felt they were that powerful. That said when I saw Andy at the Dakota several
Months later her inability to speak at all about him was just as profound. I felt
Behind that iron clad smile was a mess of tears. Bless them all.

purplefam99 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Judith gave an amazing performance at the Tribute! Great that you got to see it live. I wonder as well if he may have been having mood swings during his time with Andy and that was her reason for leaving. His business affairs manager Crystal said that he was having mood swings during her time with him but she also said that there was a time that he was completely sober.She said that he started using the drugs again before she left in 2014/15 and that was her reason for not working for him anymore.

Yes pink her performance and mayte’s instrumental belly dance left me choked up I felt they were that powerful. That said when I saw Andy at the Dakota several Months later her inability to speak at all about him was just as profound. I felt Behind that iron clad smile was a mess of tears. Bless them all.

I can imagine that was very powerful to see both performances live. I found them to be very moving just watching them online. I watched a recording of Andy's second show at the Dakota and she seemed to be pretty emotional that night. Yes,love to all of his associates.

pinkcashmere23 said:

Hey, Pink.
What happened to your pal FlyOnTheWall?
Her profile is gone.

anangellooksdown said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I noticed that too. She also requested Oui Can Luv as she did last time.

Hey, Pink. What happened to your pal FlyOnTheWall? Her profile is gone.

No idea.Hope all is well.

sharpieheartz said:

Anyways, this letter (to me) indicates that they were intimate. That last part of the letter especially.

I'm sure they were. Not many women around Prince who he wasn't intimate with. Especially the young ones.

PennyPurple said:

sharpieheartz said:

Anyways, this letter (to me) indicates that they were intimate. That last part of the letter especially.

I'm sure they were. Not many women around Prince who he wasn't intimate with. Especially the young ones.

It's a LOT of ways to be intimate.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

I'm sure they were. Not many women around Prince who he wasn't intimate with. Especially the young ones.

It's a LOT of ways to be intimate.

That's very true ChocolateBox3121. Andy has always said that her fondest memories of their time together was of them sitting around and playing their acoustic guitars and harmonizing.

pinkcashmere23 said:

Oh it is, Pink.
It’s going very well.
(slow smile spreads across angel’s face)

anangellooksdown said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

No idea.Hope all is well.

Oh it is, Pink. It’s going very well. (slow smile spreads across angel’s face)

Alrighty. I was talking about Fly but glad to know things are good with you.

pinkcashmere23 said:

Oh they are, Pink. They’re going very well indeed.
I am having a fabulous day. You?