Looking at PrinceVault, it appears that Andy first started performing with Prince on May 11, 2011, during a one-off show at the Troubadour in LA. PV lists AA as a guest vox. (http://princevault.com/index.php?title=11_May_2011). It is also worth noting that PV does not list her as performing at any of the next six shows of the 21 Nights stand in LA after May 11. However, she makes an appearance on May 28 (the seventh of the 21 Nights shows that occurred following May 11). PV lists her as a guest for the May 28, 2011 21 Nights show, but she's not listed as a vox or anything else.

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However, as of June 24, Andy had joined the band and is listed as a vox and playing guitar (http://princevault.com/index.php?title=24_June_2011). This was the first performance during which she is also playing the guitar. The June 24, 2011 show took place in Montreal at Metropolis. Going forward, she was then a member of the band for the next tour, the Welcome 2 America: Euro 2011 Tour.

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Andy writes in the letter that detectives found at PP, "Finally, thank you for taking a chance on me last night. It means mountains for having faith in me to do what I love." She wrote this letter on stationary from the hotel in Montreal. Given the information from the letter itself and the aforementioned information for PV, I feel that it's reasonable to infer that "taking a chance on me last night" refers to her promotion---either her promotion to performing as a member of the band for the first time, playing the guitar for the first time during a performance, or both. Clearly, there were other things occurring as well on a personal level between the two of them as the letter makes clear that she is head-over-heels in love with him.

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If Prince continued to travel/tour using the A-B-C system that Mayte described in her book--the Artist, the band, and the crew--I'm wondering if, by the time of the Montreal shows, Andy was travelling with the band or with Prince. The letter makes it pretty clear that they were a romantic pair by this time, as she writes:

"Somehow I can't find the perfect words to say. I'll start with Thank you. For feeding and taking care of me. The way to my heart is food so you've got that covered Thank you for the non-safety pin clothes hehe oh and letting me wear your clothes and shoes. Best friend I ever had hehe."

He didn't let just any woman wear his clothes.

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Then later on in the letter, she says,

"I've probably told you this before or you know it already...The song Nothing More is inspired by you, for you and what I said last night was true 'dedicated to the love(s) of my life'... It's music and you baby. That's all there is to it. If our journey so far together has been this incredible,... well then let me put my seatbelt on ."

And....

"I will never forget these last 2 nights and have no matter how many photos are taken of you with socks and flip flops you are still the sexiest, most attractive man in my eyes and _____ _____<— thought of something too nasty to write but I’m sure you can fill in the blanks. Respect. Gratitude. Muse. Inspiration. Love. All things I feel and more when it comes to you. I love you."

206Michelle said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I agree.When Mayte attended the show in Vegas and it was said that they had hugged,I hoped that they would find there way back to each other but it was rumored that he had a girlfriend at the time who turned out to be Bria.After her,it became apparent to me that he was not going to settle down again with one woman.

I think that as Prince got older (late 30s/mid-1990s and onward, starting with his marriage to Mayte), he valued being married/in a relationship with one woman, but it was difficult for him to do himself due to an insecure attachement style rooted in deep-seated trust/attachement/abandonment issues stemming from childhood. Hannah Welton writes below that, "When we [she and her husband Josh] met him [Prince] as a newlywed couple (both of us 22 at the time), he was so respectful, reverent, and supportive of our relationship. He loved love." I believe what she says because she was part of P's inner circle during the last years of his life.

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I don't know which of the three insecure attachment styles most applied to Prince (anxious-preoccupied, dismissive-avoidant, or fearful-avoidant). Nonetheless, it is worth noting that as an adult, his parents were not really a support system for him. For example, they didn't come to his first wedding and Mayte wrote in her book that he was often estranged from his father. Therefore, Prince did not have that "safe place" of his parents to which he could return during the "storms of life". Based on interviews, watching videos, and listening to music from the Emancipation era, he expressed that he was very happy being a family man--married to Mayte and an expectant father--and he certainly presented as such. (The overall gist of what Mayte writes in her book also confirms that he was very happy when they were first married, up until Amiir died.) My take is that he did very well with the "ups" of his personal life, but not so much the "downs" (although he seemed to weather the "downs" of his professional life much better). His responses to "downs" in his personal and professional lives was, typically, to avoid ("move on" to the next thing) or to try to control the situation. I wonder what the conflict or trigger was for the demise of Prince and Andy's relationship. However, I suspect that he exhibited either an avoidant/"moving on" response or tried to control the situation.

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He always wanted to be in control, and in in intimate relationships, he appears to have had a pattern of maintaining control by pushing others away first before they "rejected" or cut ties with him. Perhaps his desire for control also contributed to his preference for being with much-younger women (although fertility of the woman could also have been a factor, as well). Professionally, if he didn't get along with someone, he would usually just fire them.

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While trust/attachment/abandonment issues cannot be cured, people can learn to cope with and persevere through them. He had the financial means and the intelligence that he could have received the best therapy that money could buy for these issues, but for whatever reason, he did not pursue this kind of treatment (as far as I know). He also had the means to pursue therapy for his dependence and addiction to opioids, but alas, he did not. I wonder if his use of painkillers played a role in the demise of his marriage to Mani and his relationships with Bria and Andy. It's unfortunate that, as much as he valued love, he ended up alone and lonely at the end of his life.

I very much agree. Thanks for sharing Hannah's post. What she said was beautiful!

206Michelle said:

Looking at PrinceVault, it appears that Andy first started performing with Prince on May 11, 2011, during a one-off show at the Troubadour in LA. PV lists AA as a guest vox. (http://princevault.com/index.php?title=11_May_2011). It is also worth noting that PV does not list her as performing at any of the next six shows of the 21 Nights stand in LA after May 11. However, she makes an appearance on May 28 (the seventh of the 21 Nights shows that occurred following May 11). PV lists her as a guest for the May 28, 2011 21 Nights show, but she's not listed as a vox or anything else.

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However, as of June 24, Andy had joined the band and is listed as a vox and playing guitar (http://princevault.com/index.php?title=24_June_2011). This was the first performance during which she is also playing the guitar. The June 24, 2011 show took place in Montreal at Metropolis. Going forward, she was then a member of the band for the next tour, the Welcome 2 America: Euro 2011 Tour.

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Andy writes in the letter that detectives found at PP, "Finally, thank you for taking a chance on me last night. It means mountains for having faith in me to do what I love." She wrote this letter on stationary from the hotel in Montreal. Given the information from the letter itself and the aforementioned information for PV, I feel that it's reasonable to infer that "taking a chance on me last night" refers to her promotion---either her promotion to performing as a member of the band for the first time, playing the guitar for the first time during a performance, or both. Clearly, there were other things occurring as well on a personal level between the two of them as the letter makes clear that she is head-over-heels in love with him.

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If Prince continued to travel/tour using the A-B-C system that Mayte described in her book--the Artist, the band, and the crew--I'm wondering if, by the time of the Montreal shows, Andy was travelling with the band or with Prince. The letter makes it pretty clear that they were a romantic pair by this time, as she writes:

"Somehow I can't find the perfect words to say. I'll start with Thank you. For feeding and taking care of me. The way to my heart is food so you've got that covered Thank you for the non-safety pin clothes hehe oh and letting me wear your clothes and shoes. Best friend I ever had hehe."

He didn't let just any woman wear his clothes.

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Then later on in the letter, she says,

"I've probably told you this before or you know it already...The song Nothing More is inspired by you, for you and what I said last night was true 'dedicated to the love(s) of my life'... It's music and you baby. That's all there is to it. If our journey so far together has been this incredible,... well then let me put my seatbelt on ."

And....

"I will never forget these last 2 nights and have no matter how many photos are taken of you with socks and flip flops you are still the sexiest, most attractive man in my eyes and _____ _____<— thought of something too nasty to write but I’m sure you can fill in the blanks. Respect. Gratitude. Muse. Inspiration. Love. All things I feel and more when it comes to you. I love you."

Andy made a post April 24th 2011 that she saw Prince in concert for the first time the night before.She made no mention of meeting him but she posted on April 28th that she was at the show and she invited her followers in LA to come.Someone told her that they saw her in VIP the night before.A woman who worked at the Forum posted here that she had seen Prince and Andy leave together after the last show of his residency holding hands so they seemed to have gotten close very quickly and were apparently dating by that time.That's interesting to me that she felt she had fallen in love with him so quickly and had written Nothing More about him.The song is lyrically deep and seems to describe a lifetime love not someone she had known for a short while.

2004Fan said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I think she probably wanted to keep that she wrote the song about him private.It's nice that he saved the letter. I remember reading an article posted here in 2015 that mentioned he had a review from one of the shows in Canada saved on his desktop.Maybe the shows had special meaning to him.You can tell from the letter that she was very young.I don't think they had known each other that long at the time either.

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No they had not. They met in April 2011 and this was June 24/25 2011 at the Montreal Jazz Festival.

Pink, I don't know exactly what you mean by "You can tell from the letter that she was very young." However, I feel that she does sound young, and even a bit naive--naive, specifically, in the sense of understanding how relationships progress as well as Prince's particular tendencies in relationships. (I think that many 22-year-olds are naive about relationships, not just her.) I think that she sounds young and naive because she's clearly head-over-heels in love:

"I've probably told you this before or you know it already...The song Nothing More is inspired by you, for you and what I said last night was true 'dedicated to the love(s) of my life'... It's music and you baby. That's all there is to it. If our journey so far together has been this incredible,... well then let me put my seatbelt on ."

However, head-over-heels in love does not sustain a relationship. She said in one of her instagram posts after he passed that Prince taught her about heartbreak.

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Bria was the only woman he was taking to events for a while and with her conversion to the JWs,she appeared to some to be set to become his next wife.He actually looked happy with Andy for a while but that seemed to change by spring 2013 and they went their separate ways and he appeared to be back to dating around by summer of 2013.When he and Andy were at Liv's show in 2014,it seemed they were a couple again but they again went their separate ways.She was his last public girlfriend and after her he obviously decided to keep his love life private.With what he said in the RS interview in 2014,he didn't seem to have plans to marry again,saying that he had left it up to God.

I guess after his failed marriage to Mani, who also converted to the JW faith, he realized that was not enough on which to base a marriage. Also, his words in the RS interview did not rule out the possibility of marrying again. I'll take him at his word that he was leaving that aspect of his life "up to God." In fact, the more I think about it, I'm beginning to believe that his faith might have played a major role in the split between him and Andy. Perhaps she was unwilling to consider becoming a JW.

I've wondered if Andy being unwilling to convert may have been a factor as well, although she had seemed to give up celebrating holidays while they were together. Yes,in the RS interview he did seem to be saying that he would consider marriage again if he felt strongly enough about someone.I believe he described it as a force that would pull him in and he would not have been able to fight it.I remember that he also mentioned The Breakdown in the interview and the writer said that Prince left the room as he was playing it for him.

pinkcashmere23 said:

endiadj said:

This IS about Prince! The letter was written to HIM! Geesh. People are posting in the other ex's threads. Are y'all giving them a hard time too?😑

I think it's a cute and sweet letter that may have made him smile. Now we all know how she felt about him and that he inspired her to write Nothing More. It's a very lyrically profound song to have been written by someone her age at the time and to be about someone she had known such a short time.

to it being lyrically profound for a 22-year-old.

206Michelle said:

2004Fan said:

No they had not. They met in April 2011 and this was June 24/25 2011 at the Montreal Jazz Festival.

Pink, I don't know exactly what you mean by "You can tell from the letter that she was very young." However, I feel that she does sound young, and even a bit naive--naive, specifically, in the sense of understanding how relationships progress as well as Prince's particular tendencies in relationships. (I think that many 22-year-olds are naive about relationships, not just her.) I think that she sounds young and naive because she's clearly head-over-heels in love:

"I've probably told you this before or you know it already...The song Nothing More is inspired by you, for you and what I said last night was true 'dedicated to the love(s) of my life'... It's music and you baby. That's all there is to it. If our journey so far together has been this incredible,... well then let me put my seatbelt on ."

However, head-over-heels in love does not sustain a relationship. She said in one of her instagram posts after he passed that Prince taught her about heartbreak.

Yes,that is what I meant.She seemed to fall for him very quickly.I believe her lyrics for her song Time Heals All Wounds allude to that.They seem to tell the story of what happened with the relationship.They started out soaring and then crashed just as fast.The lyrics also seem to suggest that they may have broken up at one point and tried again.The chorus says:"I watched us soar,an innocence that came and went too soon and I watched us fall but time does heal all wounds" That was a bit soon to refer to him as the love of her life, I think but I guess that was how she felt at the time.

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purplegirl00 said:

sharpieheartz said:

endiadj said: THANK YOU, endiadj! People forget that they have the choice of whether or not to click on a thread. There’s other ex-girlfriend/wives threads going around. Might as well shut the whole org down since today is Prince day.

Go ahead give yourselves pats on your backs. Those other tiresome threads about whichever ex-girlfriends/ ex-wives are posting love letters? My point was that for ONE day can we NOT hear about Andy or the same people over and over trying to validate their relationship? Just because a love letter was found with Andy spilling her 22 year old infactuation with a 52 year old man does not automatically mean the feelings were mutual. Sometimes I wonder about the age of some you.

It was mutual. He kept the letter. "Somehow I can't find the perfect words to say. I'll start with Thank you. For feeding and taking care of me. The way to my heart is food so you've got that covered Thank you for the non-safety pin clothes hehe oh and letting me wear your clothes and shoes. Best friend I ever had hehe."

He didn't let just any woman wear his clothes.

206Michelle said:

There he is with the socks and flip-flops. This whole outfit is not his best look. Andy, however, looks fabulous.

80tomato said:

There were a few other photos of him with socks and flip flops.One was taken in an airport and the other stepping off of a plane. I think he's wearing a Moroccan robe there.Shelby J mentioned in one of her Live On Demands that they traveled to Morocco before one of the tours and that Andy went with them.I believe she said it was before Welcome 2 Canada.

pinkcashmere23 said:

206Michelle said:

There he is with the socks and flip-flops. This whole outfit is not his best look. Andy, however, looks fabulous.

There were a few other photos of him with socks and flip flops.One was taken in an airport and the other stepping off of a plane. I think he's wearing a Moroccan robe there.Shelby J mentioned in one of her Live On Demands that they traveled to Morocco before one of the tours and that Andy went with them.I believe she said it was before Welcome 2 Canada.

I don't care about his clothes... He would look fabulous even in a big bag. You know you love someone when you accept their shortcomings.

FullLipsDotNose said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

There were a few other photos of him with socks and flip flops.One was taken in an airport and the other stepping off of a plane. I think he's wearing a Moroccan robe there.Shelby J mentioned in one of her Live On Demands that they traveled to Morocco before one of the tours and that Andy went with them.I believe she said it was before Welcome 2 Canada.

I don't care about his clothes... He would look fabulous even in a big bag. You know you love someone when you accept their shortcomings.

True.I think he looked nice there.

206Michelle said:

There he is with the socks and flip-flops. This whole outfit is not his best look. Andy, however, looks fabulous.

80tomato said:

Prince ALWAYS required his women to be made up from head to toe 24 hours a day.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

206Michelle said:

There he is with the socks and flip-flops. This whole outfit is not his best look. Andy, however, looks fabulous.

Prince ALWAYS required his women to be made up from head to toe 24 hours a day.

I remember Carmen mentioned that in an interview.He seemed to relax that rule some by the time Andy came around,at least in their down time.

pinkcashmere23 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Prince ALWAYS required his women to be made up from head to toe 24 hours a day.

I remember Carmen mentioned that in an interview.He seemed to relax that rule some by the time Andy came around,at least in their down time.

Andy always came off as tomboyish to me. But then Jill Jones said Sheila E looked more like Larry Graham before Prince made her over.

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I remember Carmen mentioned that in an interview.He seemed to relax that rule some by the time Andy came around,at least in their down time.

Andy always came off as tomboyish to me. But then Jill Jones said Sheila E looked more like Larry Graham before Prince made her over.

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When did Jill say that? Andy seemed tomboyish to me too-still does at times.She was dressed and made up beautifully for the Welcome 2 shows though.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Fly, I agree with you that the JW faith may have been a major factor in the demise of he and Andy’s relationship. Although we don’t know this for sure, I have to imagine that religion was one of a number of issues that pushed them apart. During the last ten years of his life, while he was still a practicing JW, it appears that he also became more open-minded/flexible/accepting of other spiritual beliefs (e.g., the third eye). However, my understanding is that it is really difficult to be in a religiously mixed JW/non-JW marriage since the JWs tend to be quite aggressive with proselytizing. When I was in high school and doing Catholic confirmation classes, one of the catéchists had been married to a JW, and she was clear that their Catholic-JW marriage didn’t work and the religious differences were one of the factors that lead to their divorce. My understanding is that Andy believes in God, but she also has a free-spirit vibe to her, and I cannot see her converting to the JW faith.
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I wonder if this issue of religion may have arisen later on in their relationship. They had only known each other around 2 months at the time Andy wrote the letter, but things must have progressed quite quickly if, after 2 months, she had written Nothing More for/about P. She sings «So tie me down, I’m ready » in that song.
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Prince really had an effect on women; he could connect with women and make them feel so loved, respected, pampered, on-cloud-nine...so special. I also feel that he loved being in love and experiencing love in return. However, long-term relationships or marriages require more than passion to survive the test of time. I also wonder if, as AA and P’s relationship progressed, she became aware of his opioid dependence/addiction and health issues, and if these issues may have also played a role in them parting ways.

pinkcashmere23 said:

Pink, can you post the lyrics for Time Heals All Wounds, please? I cannot find them via internet search.

206Michelle said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I guess after his failed marriage to Mani, who also converted to the JW faith, he realized that was not enough on which to base a marriage. Also, his words in the RS interview did not rule out the possibility of marrying again. I'll take him at his word that he was leaving that aspect of his life "up to God." In fact, the more I think about it, I'm beginning to believe that his faith might have played a major role in the split between him and Andy. Perhaps she was unwilling to consider becoming a JW.

Fly, I agree with you that the JW faith may have been a major factor in the demise of he and Andy’s relationship. Although we don’t know this for sure, I have to imagine that religion was one of a number of issues that pushed them apart. During the last ten years of his life, while he was still a practicing JW, it appears that he also became more open-minded/flexible/accepting of other spiritual beliefs (e.g., the third eye). However, my understanding is that it is really difficult to be in a religiously mixed JW/non-JW marriage since the JWs tend to be quite aggressive with proselytizing. When I was in high school and doing Catholic confirmation classes, one of the catéchists had been married to a JW, and she was clear that their Catholic-JW marriage didn’t work and the religious differences were one of the factors that lead to their divorce. My understanding is that Andy believes in God, but she also has a free-spirit vibe to her, and I cannot see her converting to the JW faith. . I wonder if this issue of religion may have arisen later on in their relationship. They had only known each other around 2 months at the time Andy wrote the letter, but things must have progressed quite quickly if, after 2 months, she had written Nothing More for/about P. She sings «So tie me down, I’m ready » in that song. . Prince really had an effect on women; he could connect with women and make them feel so loved, respected, pampered, on-cloud-nine...so special. I also feel that he loved being in love and experiencing love in return. However, long-term relationships or marriages require more than passion to survive the test of time. I also wonder if, as AA and P’s relationship progressed, she became aware of his opioid dependence/addiction and health issues, and if these issues may have also played a role in them parting ways.

Michelle, not only is it difficult for a non-JW to maintain a marriage with a JW, it is very challenging for non-JW's to maintain any familial relationships with Witnesses, especially those who strictly adhere to all of its orthodoxies. As one with a JW in my immediate family, I can attest, firsthand, to that perpetual frustration.

With regard to whether or not JW orthodoxy actually played a role in Prince and Andy's relationship, I think a credible argument can be made for the affirmative. First, there is the Carver County revelation that he was apparently considering/researching "endogamy" during the time that he and Andy seemed to be growing increasingly close. Of course, endogamy refers to marriage/association between people from different religions, tribes, sects, cultures, etc. We know that the JWs frown upon such unions.

Additionally, I think these "Rockandroll Loveaffair" lyrics suggest that Prince's faith was a factor from the onset of their relationship:


"...He gave up women for the stripes of the road
And learned the meaning of grace
That’s when his cup overflowed
And she said: “hello”

He said 'my faith keeps me from willin’
But you know that I’m able
And if there’s some room
I’d like to sit at your table'
She said 'it’s tight, but I think I can fit you in'

This kind of love don’t come from a prayer
Ain’t talking rebound, born of despair
Yellow sun rising on their bodies in bed
Two people in love, with nothing but the road ahead..."

Lastly, I would like to think that Andy would not have walked away from Prince if she had learned about a health crisis...including opioid dependency, assuming he was willing to seek treatment.

206Michelle said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes,that is what I meant.She seemed to fall for him very quickly.I believe her lyrics for her song Time Heals All Wounds allude to that.They seem to tell the story of what happened with the relationship.They started out soaring and then crashed just as fast.The lyrics also seem to suggest that they may have broken up at one point and tried again.The chorus says:"I watched us soar,an innocence that came and went too soon and I watched us fall but time does heal all wounds" That was a bit soon to refer to him as the love of her life, I think but I guess that was how she felt at the time.

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Pink, can you post the lyrics for Time Heals All Wounds, please? I cannot find them via internet search.

It is an unreleased song that she began performing at her shows in 2014 and the lyrics haven't been released but here's a clip from a Music Monday performance of it last year. www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Plydd35XMY Another unreleased song Dandelion seems to be about him/them as well www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmiCXFtzFRs

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FlyOnTheWall said:

Fly, I didn’t go into detail about the health and addiction/dependency issues because I do not like to speculate. However, I hope that what I wrote did not suggest that Andy may have walked away from Prince in his state of need. The letter is enlightening in making clear that not only is Nothing More about Prince, but she was all-in when it came to their relationship, personally and professionally. Yes, being head-over-heels in love surely impacted how she felt and what she wrote in the letter and her songs, but her Instagram posts after his death make clear that she loved him deeply.
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Regarding his use of opioids, I wonder if AA tried to get P to seek help, and in doing so, he got upset with her and his unwillingness to seek help caused conflict in their relationship. I know from experience with my own husband that with some men, it is like pulling teeth to get them to see a physician. Again, I’m just wondering about this, since we know from what Mani told detectives that P was taking painkillers regularly during their marriage.

206Michelle said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Michelle, not only is it difficult for a non-JW to maintain a marriage with a JW, it is very challenging for non-JW's to maintain any familial relationships with Witnesses, especially those who strictly adhere to all of its orthodoxies. As one with a JW in my immediate family, I can attest, firsthand, to that perpetual frustration.

With regard to whether or not JW orthodoxy actually played a role in Prince and Andy's relationship, I think a credible argument can be made for the affirmative. First, there is the Carver County revelation that he was apparently considering/researching "endogamy" during the time that he and Andy seemed to be growing increasingly close. Of course, endogamy refers to marriage/association between people from different religions, tribes, sects, cultures, etc. We know that the JWs frown upon such unions.

Additionally, I think these "Rockandroll Loveaffair" lyrics suggest that Prince's faith was a factor from the onset of their relationship:


"...He gave up women for the stripes of the road
And learned the meaning of grace
That’s when his cup overflowed
And she said: “hello”

He said 'my faith keeps me from willin’
But you know that I’m able
And if there’s some room
I’d like to sit at your table'
She said 'it’s tight, but I think I can fit you in'

This kind of love don’t come from a prayer
Ain’t talking rebound, born of despair
Yellow sun rising on their bodies in bed
Two people in love, with nothing but the road ahead..."

Lastly, I would like to think that Andy would not have walked away from Prince if she had learned about a health crisis...including opioid dependency, assuming he was willing to seek treatment.

Fly, I didn’t go into detail about the health and addiction/dependency issues because I do not like to speculate. However, I hope that what I wrote did not suggest that Andy may have walked away from Prince in his state of need. The letter is enlightening in making clear that not only is Nothing More about Prince, but she was all-in when it came to their relationship, personally and professionally. Yes, being head-over-heels in love surely impacted how she felt and what she wrote in the letter and her songs, but her Instagram posts after his death make clear that she loved him deeply. . Regarding his use of opioids, I wonder if AA tried to get P to seek help, and in doing so, he got upset with her and his unwillingness to seek help caused conflict in their relationship. I know from experience with my own husband that with some men, it is like pulling teeth to get them to see a physician. Again, I’m just wondering about this, since we know from what Mani told detectives that P was taking painkillers regularly during their marriage.

I understand, Michelle. I didn't take any offense from your point. I hope I didn't sound defensive, as that was not my intention. That said, more than the pills, I tend to believe that the religion, which is the much-overlooked factor, was monumental. Besides which, if I'm not mistaken, I think Andy has said on the record that she saw no indication of drug use during her time with Prince.

FlyOnTheWall said:

206Michelle said:

FlyOnTheWall said: Fly, I didn’t go into detail about the health and addiction/dependency issues because I do not like to speculate. However, I hope that what I wrote did not suggest that Andy may have walked away from Prince in his state of need. The letter is enlightening in making clear that not only is Nothing More about Prince, but she was all-in when it came to their relationship, personally and professionally. Yes, being head-over-heels in love surely impacted how she felt and what she wrote in the letter and her songs, but her Instagram posts after his death make clear that she loved him deeply. . Regarding his use of opioids, I wonder if AA tried to get P to seek help, and in doing so, he got upset with her and his unwillingness to seek help caused conflict in their relationship. I know from experience with my own husband that with some men, it is like pulling teeth to get them to see a physician. Again, I’m just wondering about this, since we know from what Mani told detectives that P was taking painkillers regularly during their marriage.

I understand, Michelle. I didn't take any offense from your point. I hope I didn't sound defensive, as that was not my intention. That said, more than the pills, I tend to believe that the religion, which is the much-overlooked factor, was monumental. Besides which, if I'm not mistaken, I think Andy has said on the record that she saw no indication of drug use during her time with Prince.

Prince looked so healthy during that time especially in 2011.I would be surprised to learn that he was using them heavily back then.He was also very active and agile onstage.To me he didn't appear to show some physical decline until around the summer of 2014.I believe that his religion may have been one of the factors in what happened to the relationship as well, although by 2013 he didn't seem as active in the faith.

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pinkcashmere23 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Andy always came off as tomboyish to me. But then Jill Jones said Sheila E looked more like Larry Graham before Prince made her over.

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When did Jill say that? Andy seemed tomboyish to me too-still does at times.She was dressed and made up beautifully for the Welcome 2 shows though.

When did Jill say a lot of things? She doesn't bite her tongue and has no filter whatsoever.

On Andy Prince always did know what brought out a woman's beauty. He ws VERY underrated at making woman over and making them stars.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

When did Jill say that? Andy seemed tomboyish to me too-still does at times.She was dressed and made up beautifully for the Welcome 2 shows though.

When did Jill say a lot of things? She doesn't bite her tongue and has no filter whatsoever.

On Andy Prince always did know what brought out a woman's beauty. He ws VERY underrated at making woman over and making them stars.

That's true. Yes,Prince was excellent at that!

FlyOnTheWall said:

206Michelle said:

FlyOnTheWall said: Fly, I didn’t go into detail about the health and addiction/dependency issues because I do not like to speculate. However, I hope that what I wrote did not suggest that Andy may have walked away from Prince in his state of need. The letter is enlightening in making clear that not only is Nothing More about Prince, but she was all-in when it came to their relationship, personally and professionally. Yes, being head-over-heels in love surely impacted how she felt and what she wrote in the letter and her songs, but her Instagram posts after his death make clear that she loved him deeply. . Regarding his use of opioids, I wonder if AA tried to get P to seek help, and in doing so, he got upset with her and his unwillingness to seek help caused conflict in their relationship. I know from experience with my own husband that with some men, it is like pulling teeth to get them to see a physician. Again, I’m just wondering about this, since we know from what Mani told detectives that P was taking painkillers regularly during their marriage.

I understand, Michelle. I didn't take any offense from your point. I hope I didn't sound defensive, as that was not my intention. That said, more than the pills, I tend to believe that the religion, which is the much-overlooked factor, was monumental. Besides which, if I'm not mistaken, I think Andy has said on the record that she saw no indication of drug use during her time with Prince.

You didn't sound defensive at all. When did Andy say that she saw no indication of drug use? Do you have a link? I'm not questioning the validity of it, I'd just like to hear it myself. She really didn't say much for the first year after his death, but she seems to have come out of her shell when it comes to talking about him during the last year.

pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I understand, Michelle. I didn't take any offense from your point. I hope I didn't sound defensive, as that was not my intention. That said, more than the pills, I tend to believe that the religion, which is the much-overlooked factor, was monumental. Besides which, if I'm not mistaken, I think Andy has said on the record that she saw no indication of drug use during her time with Prince.

Prince looked so healthy during that time especially in 2011.I would be surprised to learn that he was using them heavily back then.He was also very active and agile onstage.To me he didn't appear to show some physical decline until around the summer of 2014.I believe that his religion may have been one of the factors in what happened to the relationship as well, although by 2013 he didn't seem as active in the faith.

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He looked spry and full-of-life in 2011. And he was still very sexy in 2001 and 2012 as well. He was wearing the wristbands in 2011 and I suspect that he was using the painkillers then also, but they obviously weren't taking the toll on his health as they were later. 2013-2014 is also when I start to see the signs of decline in his appearance.

206Michelle said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Prince looked so healthy during that time especially in 2011.I would be surprised to learn that he was using them heavily back then.He was also very active and agile onstage.To me he didn't appear to show some physical decline until around the summer of 2014.I believe that his religion may have been one of the factors in what happened to the relationship as well, although by 2013 he didn't seem as active in the faith.

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He looked spry and full-of-life in 2011. And he was still very sexy in 2001 and 2012 as well. He was wearing the wristbands in 2011 and I suspect that he was using the painkillers then also, but they obviously weren't taking the toll on his health as they were later. 2013-2014 is also when I start to see the signs of decline in his appearance.

He looked amazing in 2011 and 12! I think he looked great during the summer tour in Europe with 3rd Eye Girl in 2013 as well.Crystal Zehtener who worked for him from 2010-13 said in her phone interview that there was a time that he was off the drugs and didn't drink.She did say that he was in extreme pain and that he had mood swings.She said she quit working for him because he started using again and she didn't want to contribute to that because she cared too much about him.She also said that everyone around him knew that he was using the drugs.It could be that he was off of them while Andy was around.

pinkcashmere23 said:

206Michelle said:

He looked spry and full-of-life in 2011. And he was still very sexy in 2001 and 2012 as well. He was wearing the wristbands in 2011 and I suspect that he was using the painkillers then also, but they obviously weren't taking the toll on his health as they were later. 2013-2014 is also when I start to see the signs of decline in his appearance.

He looked amazing in 2011 and 12! I think he looked great during the summer tour in Europe with 3rd Eye Girl in 2013 as well.Crystal Zehtener who worked for him from 2010-13 said in her phone interview that there was a time that he was off the drugs and didn't drink.She did say that he was in extreme pain and that he had mood swings.She said she quit working for him because he started using again and she didn't want to contribute to that because she cared too much about him.She also said that everyone around him knew that he was using the drugs.It could be that he was off of them while Andy was around.

Joshua and Hannah Welton stated that they didn't know he was using painkillers. Judith Hill didn't know either. I believe all three of them. I don't believe all of his associates though. However, I feel that he got to be good at hiding what he was doing.

pinkcashmere23 said:

206Michelle said:

He looked spry and full-of-life in 2011. And he was still very sexy in 2001 and 2012 as well. He was wearing the wristbands in 2011 and I suspect that he was using the painkillers then also, but they obviously weren't taking the toll on his health as they were later. 2013-2014 is also when I start to see the signs of decline in his appearance.

He looked amazing in 2011 and 12! I think he looked great during the summer tour in Europe with 3rd Eye Girl in 2013 as well.Crystal Zehtener who worked for him from 2010-13 said in her phone interview that there was a time that he was off the drugs and didn't drink.She did say that he was in extreme pain and that he had mood swings.She said she quit working for him because he started using again and she didn't want to contribute to that because she cared too much about him.She also said that everyone around him knew that he was using the drugs.It could be that he was off of them while Andy was around.

Prince was in the TIP TOP shape of his life on the 'Welcome To America' tour. I'll NEVER forget seeing him at several shows on the 21 night stand in Los Angeles at The Forum in 2011. He was the last artist to play at The Forum before they redid & renovated it(with the help of his donations from that residency there). I was just in AWE at how good of shape he was in. His arms was like guns. He also had six pack abs! But just a couple of years later he started losing his muscle tone. I never at the time understood why.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

He looked amazing in 2011 and 12! I think he looked great during the summer tour in Europe with 3rd Eye Girl in 2013 as well.Crystal Zehtener who worked for him from 2010-13 said in her phone interview that there was a time that he was off the drugs and didn't drink.She did say that he was in extreme pain and that he had mood swings.She said she quit working for him because he started using again and she didn't want to contribute to that because she cared too much about him.She also said that everyone around him knew that he was using the drugs.It could be that he was off of them while Andy was around.

Prince was in the TIP TOP shape of his life on the 'Welcome To America' tour. I'll NEVER forget seeing him at several shows on the 21 night stand in Los Angeles at The Forum in 2011. He was the last artist to play at The Forum before they redid & renovated it(with the help of his donations from that residency there). I was just in AWE at how good of shape he was in. His arms was like guns. He also had six pack abs! But just a couple of years later he started losing his muscle tone. I never at the time understood why.

Yes,he looked so healthy then and he was very toned,I agree.