Missmusicluver72 said:

I feel that Jill has always had his back and doesn't want anyone trying to smear him. She was around right as his fame was starting to explode and she appears to be very protective of him. Not afraid to speak her mind at all about things if she feels something isn't right.

That is not entirely true.

Jill has said some very negative things about P before and after his death.

cloveringold85 said:

Agreed, I don’t consider Andy AfroC in the traditional sense like Eryka or
Lauren Hill.
I guess maybe that is where the jazzy comes in. I think she is
60/35/5. Hipster/jazzy/Afrocentric. IMO. Sweet girl nonetheless.
I don’t think P wanted to really handle a truly Afrocentric woman.
I do think if he had let himself be tamed by a strong spirited women( not strictly Afrocentric either) that we would
Have heard music from another dimensions. I don’t think our ears would have been able to handle it. Imo.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Missmusicluver72 said:

I feel that Jill has always had his back and doesn't want anyone trying to smear him. She was around right as his fame was starting to explode and she appears to be very protective of him. Not afraid to speak her mind at all about things if she feels something isn't right.

That is not entirely true.

Jill has said some very negative things about P before and after his death.

I haven't read everything she has said before or after, I was mostly talking about a few recent things I read her saying and interpreted them as her being protective. I did hear about them not speaking for quite a few years though and there was some tension, so I am not surprised she has said some not so nice things too. His untimely death has certainly brought out the best and worst of some of these people that's for sure. Could be alot of grief and feeling guilty of not being around in his final months, however he appeared to choose whom he wanted to surround himself with though.

malbena said:

Missmusicluver72 said:

I feel that Jill has always had his back and doesn't want anyone trying to smear him. She was around right as his fame was starting to explode and she appears to be very protective of him. Not afraid to speak her mind at all about things if she feels something isn't right.

Yeah! Like I said she speaks her mind but is harmless. Needs to calm down...and take care of herself.

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I'm concerned for her well-being. She's going through a tough time since Prince died, and it's easy to get caught up in all the drama that's been going on. I wish her well.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Missmusicluver72 said:

I feel that Jill has always had his back and doesn't want anyone trying to smear him. She was around right as his fame was starting to explode and she appears to be very protective of him. Not afraid to speak her mind at all about things if she feels something isn't right.

That is not entirely true.

Jill has said some very negative things about P before and after his death.

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Yes, I think she has a lot of unresolved issues with Prince. It's sad.

Missmusicluver72 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

That is not entirely true.

Jill has said some very negative things about P before and after his death.

I haven't read everything she has said before or after, I was mostly talking about a few recent things I read her saying and interpreted them as her being protective. I did hear about them not speaking for quite a few years though and there was some tension, so I am not surprised she has said some not so nice things too. His untimely death has certainly brought out the best and worst of some of these people that's for sure. Could be alot of grief and feeling guilty of not being around in his final months, however he appeared to choose whom he wanted to surround himself with though.

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cloveringold85 said:

Agreed! Went down hill fast. Best is to keep out of social media, as well as other associates who worsen things.

malbena said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, I think she has a lot of unresolved issues with Prince. It's sad.

Agreed! Went down hill fast. Best is to keep out of social media, as well as other associates who worsen things.

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I agree; best to keep that stuff off of social media for all to see. I don't know if she tried to talk to Prince in recent years. I hope she is able to let go and move on.

cloveringold85 said:

I don’t like the way P chose to entangle his love, I think he left broken spirits in his wake. However complicit the women might have been, I think wielding that or casting that kind of hopeful glow on these ladies was unfair to the well being of their spirit. I’m sure it was wonderful and beautiful but some drugs you just can’t do or offer. I like all the ladies, truly, but seems we always circle around mental disconnects that a lot of them share( perhaps not all of them). I wish all of them the best.
[Edited 2/24/18 16:38pm]

cloveringold85 said:

malbena said:

cloveringold85 said: Agreed! Went down hill fast. Best is to keep out of social media, as well as other associates who worsen things.

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I agree; best to keep that stuff off of social media for all to see. I don't know if she tried to talk to Prince in recent years. I hope she is able to let go and move on.

Prince did talk to her after Denises funeral. That is when he was reaching out to a lot of people.
She said they talked about what happened. But I think the amount of time and the results have set in a place of bitterness. And Bitterness is hard to root out. So it is easier sometimes to lash out at the living.

Again all the fighting comes from the same era of PRINCE, which just so happens to be the era he had the most success. At this point I take what they say with a grain of salt, Prince is dead, gone, case closed. We are never going to his secrets, and the things he kept personal. I don’t care how tight Prince and Apollonia were or how tight she thinks they were, end of day I am sure he shared almost nothing with her that was deep hidden within. That era of Prince is where all the BS and hate is coming from, I don’t see hate coming from Morris Hayes who was probably with him the most creatively, I don’t hear fights between Andy Allo and Judith Hill and those two were probably in a way involved with him more than music, so you’d expect some petty BS but I don’t hear it from them. Instead it’s the same culprits.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

pinkcashmere23 said: The cook said that started in January. Denise died in February.

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What does Ray Roberts have to do with Denise?

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On second thought; Ray Roberts started cooking for Prince "3-years" before he died. Tyka said she knew for "3-years" that Prince was dying.......hmm.....maybe we are getting somewhere with this?

[Edited 2/23/18 13:34pm]

Tyka said she had 2 years to prepare for it because of a conversation she and Prince had. Prince told her that he had done everything he came to do. https://www.youtube.com/w...R7DfgrdoqY

cloveringold85 said:

malbena said:

Missmusicluver72 said: Yeah! Like I said she speaks her mind but is harmless. Needs to calm down...and take care of herself.

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I'm concerned for her well-being. She's going through a tough time since Prince died, and it's easy to get caught up in all the drama that's been going on. I wish her well.

I only wish her well, I know she's been hurting and there is a lot of bitterness. But that drama is not just going on - she had and has a huge part in keeping it going. Attacking and hurting many people who had and have nothing to do with it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Prince did talk to her after Denises funeral. That is when he was reaching out to a lot of people.
She said they talked about what happened. But I think the amount of time and the results have set in a place of bitterness. And Bitterness is hard to root out. So it is easier sometimes to lash out at the living.

Yeah that. And sometimes I think she doesn't even want friendship and kindness but to keep walking that path of bitterness. She should and could have cleared things with him, even writing letters to him now might help (I did it too). Holding this grudge is not healthy and it effects your spirit and the way you relate to others. I wish her healing.

lastdecember said:

Again all the fighting comes from the same era of PRINCE, which just so happens to be the era he had the most success. At this point I take what they say with a grain of salt, Prince is dead, gone, case closed. We are never going to his secrets, and the things he kept personal. I don’t care how tight Prince and Apollonia were or how tight she thinks they were, end of day I am sure he shared almost nothing with her that was deep hidden within. That era of Prince is where all the BS and hate is coming from, I don’t see hate coming from Morris Hayes who was probably with him the most creatively, I don’t hear fights between Andy Allo and Judith Hill and those two were probably in a way involved with him more than music, so you’d expect some petty BS but I don’t hear it from them. Instead it’s the same culprits.

lastdecember said:

You are sure of nothing. End of story.

laurarichardson said:

lastdecember said:

Again all the fighting comes from the same era of PRINCE, which just so happens to be the era he had the most success. At this point I take what they say with a grain of salt, Prince is dead, gone, case closed. We are never going to his secrets, and the things he kept personal. I don’t care how tight Prince and Apollonia were or how tight she thinks they were, end of day I am sure he shared almost nothing with her that was deep hidden within. That era of Prince is where all the BS and hate is coming from, I don’t see hate coming from Morris Hayes who was probably with him the most creatively, I don’t hear fights between Andy Allo and Judith Hill and those two were probably in a way involved with him more than music, so you’d expect some petty BS but I don’t hear it from them. Instead it’s the same culprits.

You are sure of nothing. End of story.

It's funny that this is coming from the Queen of speculations.

purplefam99 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, I think she has a lot of unresolved issues with Prince. It's sad.

I don’t like the way P chose to entangle his love, I think he left broken spirits in his wake. However complicit the women might have been, I think wielding that or casting that kind of hopeful glow on these ladies was unfair to the well being of their spirit. I’m sure it was wonderful and beautiful but some drugs you just can’t do or offer. I like all the ladies, truly, but seems we always circle around mental disconnects that a lot of them share( perhaps not all of them). I wish all of them the best. [Edited 2/24/18 16:38pm]

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Prince sure did break a lot of hearts.

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[Edited 2/25/18 11:26am]

OldFriends4Sale said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I agree; best to keep that stuff off of social media for all to see. I don't know if she tried to talk to Prince in recent years. I hope she is able to let go and move on.

Prince did talk to her after Denises funeral. That is when he was reaching out to a lot of people.
She said they talked about what happened. But I think the amount of time and the results have set in a place of bitterness. And Bitterness is hard to root out. So it is easier sometimes to lash out at the living.

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I am glad that she had the opportunity to speak with him again.

lastdecember said:

Again all the fighting comes from the same era of PRINCE, which just so happens to be the era he had the most success. At this point I take what they say with a grain of salt, Prince is dead, gone, case closed. We are never going to his secrets, and the things he kept personal. I don’t care how tight Prince and Apollonia were or how tight she thinks they were, end of day I am sure he shared almost nothing with her that was deep hidden within. That era of Prince is where all the BS and hate is coming from, I don’t see hate coming from Morris Hayes who was probably with him the most creatively, I don’t hear fights between Andy Allo and Judith Hill and those two were probably in a way involved with him more than music, so you’d expect some petty BS but I don’t hear it from them. Instead it’s the same culprits.

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Good point.

purplefam99 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, I think she has a lot of unresolved issues with Prince. It's sad.

I don’t like the way P chose to entangle his love, I think he left broken spirits in his wake. However complicit the women might have been, I think wielding that or casting that kind of hopeful glow on these ladies was unfair to the well being of their spirit. I’m sure it was wonderful and beautiful but some drugs you just can’t do or offer. I like all the ladies, truly, but seems we always circle around mental disconnects that a lot of them share( perhaps not all of them). I wish all of them the best. [Edited 2/24/18 16:38pm]

Agree with this.

lastdecember said:

Perhaps we need to afford her more time for healing. Think about the length of time she was his lover( 10yrs?) it was longer than his marriages. They seem to be buddies as well. And her healing now has to be done postmortem. Her healing isn’t
Accountable to our time table on the matter.

purplefam99 said:

lastdecember said:

Again all the fighting comes from the same era of PRINCE, which just so happens to be the era he had the most success. At this point I take what they say with a grain of salt, Prince is dead, gone, case closed. We are never going to his secrets, and the things he kept personal. I don’t care how tight Prince and Apollonia were or how tight she thinks they were, end of day I am sure he shared almost nothing with her that was deep hidden within. That era of Prince is where all the BS and hate is coming from, I don’t see hate coming from Morris Hayes who was probably with him the most creatively, I don’t hear fights between Andy Allo and Judith Hill and those two were probably in a way involved with him more than music, so you’d expect some petty BS but I don’t hear it from them. Instead it’s the same culprits.

Perhaps we need to afford her more time for healing. Think about the length of time she was his lover( 10yrs?) it was longer than his marriages. They seem to be buddies as well. And her healing now has to be done postmortem. Her healing isn’t Accountable to our time table on the matter.

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Wow, 10-years? That's longer than Denise, right? You can tell she has deep feelings for him and he had a profound affect on her life. Her song, "I miss you" is a good example.

lastdecember said:

Again all the fighting comes from the same era of PRINCE, which just so happens to be the era he had the most success. At this point I take what they say with a grain of salt, Prince is dead, gone, case closed. We are never going to his secrets, and the things he kept personal. I don’t care how tight Prince and Apollonia were or how tight she thinks they were, end of day I am sure he shared almost nothing with her that was deep hidden within. That era of Prince is where all the BS and hate is coming from, I don’t see hate coming from Morris Hayes who was probably with him the most creatively, I don’t hear fights between Andy Allo and Judith Hill and those two were probably in a way involved with him more than music, so you’d expect some petty BS but I don’t hear it from them. Instead it’s the same culprits.

True, but they were not around at the beginning and during is heyday like Jill and the others were, and whatever relationships they may have had with him, apparently were not as deep as Jill's and some of the others during that era, that is why I feel like they have such a strong protectiveness over him because they have known him much longer. Anyways, it turns messy real quick, that's for sure lol!

cloveringold85 said:

Clover I’m kinda asking there (10 yrs?)
And Denise seems like it never really stopped with communication.
But it seems like they were lovers for a great deal of the 80’s

Missmusicluver72 said:

lastdecember said:

Again all the fighting comes from the same era of PRINCE, which just so happens to be the era he had the most success. At this point I take what they say with a grain of salt, Prince is dead, gone, case closed. We are never going to his secrets, and the things he kept personal. I don’t care how tight Prince and Apollonia were or how tight she thinks they were, end of day I am sure he shared almost nothing with her that was deep hidden within. That era of Prince is where all the BS and hate is coming from, I don’t see hate coming from Morris Hayes who was probably with him the most creatively, I don’t hear fights between Andy Allo and Judith Hill and those two were probably in a way involved with him more than music, so you’d expect some petty BS but I don’t hear it from them. Instead it’s the same culprits.

True, but they were not around at the beginning and during is heyday like Jill and the others were, and whatever relationships they may have had with him, apparently were not as deep as Jill's and some of the others during that era, that is why I feel like they have such a strong protectiveness over him because they have known him much longer. Anyways, it turns messy real quick, that's for sure lol!

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purplefam99 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Wow, 10-years? That's longer than Denise, right? You can tell she has deep feelings for him and he had a profound affect on her life. Her song, "I miss you" is a good example.

Clover I’m kinda asking there (10 yrs?) And Denise seems like it never really stopped with communication. But it seems like they were lovers for a great deal of the 80’s

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Yes, that sounds about right.

cloveringold85 said:

Yes clover back in the day he was letting his kitties coMingle in music and films and projects. The latter years he kept the kitties more separate they all had their own litter boxes.

Missmusicluver72 said:

lastdecember said:

Again all the fighting comes from the same era of PRINCE, which just so happens to be the era he had the most success. At this point I take what they say with a grain of salt, Prince is dead, gone, case closed. We are never going to his secrets, and the things he kept personal. I don’t care how tight Prince and Apollonia were or how tight she thinks they were, end of day I am sure he shared almost nothing with her that was deep hidden within. That era of Prince is where all the BS and hate is coming from, I don’t see hate coming from Morris Hayes who was probably with him the most creatively, I don’t hear fights between Andy Allo and Judith Hill and those two were probably in a way involved with him more than music, so you’d expect some petty BS but I don’t hear it from them. Instead it’s the same culprits.

True, but they were not around at the beginning and during is heyday like Jill and the others were, and whatever relationships they may have had with him, apparently were not as deep as Jill's and some of the others during that era, that is why I feel like they have such a strong protectiveness over him because they have known him much longer. Anyways, it turns messy real quick, that's for sure lol!

True.I don't think think they feel the strong sense of loyalty that the earlier ladies do.They also don't get involved with any of the drama like some of his other more recent lady friends have.I don't think Judith and Andy know each other but they have mutual friends and seem to be respectful.

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

lastdecember said: You are sure of nothing. End of story.

It's funny that this is coming from the Queen of speculations.

And I NEVER cease to be amazed at how much judgement a relative newbie continually throws at laura or anyone who says anything against m1. Who do you think you are little boy?

Mumio said:

Mumio, newbies are welcome on this site and are allowed to share their opinion.