Menes said:

Morgaine said:

laurarichardson said: Er...you have read what some medical associations say but you don't agree with it/them? PhDs in biology, psychology, pathology, etc etc etc spent thousands of hours and have stacks of scientific data saying this is a brain disease but you don't believe it? You are confusing addiction with dependence with abuse with recreational/social use. If you really want to know, read about it. Try NIH or a local library and access some academic journals/research studies. I'm also confused as to why you choose not to accept scientific data as to addiction being a brain disease but can wholly entertain Prince having a terminal illness and committing suicide based essentially on hearsay. Whatever floats your boat I guess.

To some less educated people, the world is flat simply because "textbooks", world renowned astronomers, astronauts, scientists, and credentialed peer reviewed journals state otherwise. It matters not if there is irrefutable evidence of the sort.

They are usually simple people, and no matter how complicated the data, they are steadfast in believing that all things science, is simple. This is a very common occurrence worldwide. This sort of hardwired behavior is akin to a calf sucking an udder. It is one of the reasons one should be careful not to co-mingle your gene pool with an ignorant source.

It is easier to comprehend the ignorance of a contrarian once you have determined that the host, the source of the ignorance, demonstrates a pattern that only a doorknob would appreciate. As the capacity to learn diminishes with age,you can certainly understand that the contrarian has little to no ability to modify genetic expressions that are on full display. Good luck.

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

"I don't really care so much what people say about me because it usually is a reflection of who they are. For example, if people wish I would sound like I used to sound, then it says more about them than it does me." Prince

Using one of Prince's smartest quotes to make your points more credible is the most disrespectful thing I've seen on this board so far.

"I don't really care so much what people say about me because it usually is a reflection of who they are. For example, if people wish I would sound like I used to sound, then it says more about them than it does me." Prince

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

To some less educated people, the world is flat simply because "textbooks", world renowned astronomers, astronauts, scientists, and credentialed peer reviewed journals state otherwise. It matters not if there is irrefutable evidence of the sort.

They are usually simple people, and no matter how complicated the data, they are steadfast in believing that all things science, is simple. This is a very common occurrence worldwide. This sort of hardwired behavior is akin to a calf sucking an udder. It is one of the reasons one should be careful not to co-mingle your gene pool with an ignorant source.

It is easier to comprehend the ignorance of a contrarian once you have determined that the host, the source of the ignorance, demonstrates a pattern that only a doorknob would appreciate. As the capacity to learn diminishes with age,you can certainly understand that the contrarian has little to no ability to modify genetic expressions that are on full display. Good luck.

"I don't really care so much what people say about me because it usually is a reflection of who they are. For example, if people wish I would sound like I used to sound, then it says more about them than it does me." Prince

^^ Laura's having an error in her system, she posting the same sentence all over the forum.

ThatWhiteDude said:

^^ Laura's having an error in her system, she posting the same sentence all over the forum.

It is special for you. Tells you something about yourself.

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

"I don't really care so much what people say about me because it usually is a reflection of who they are. For example, if people wish I would sound like I used to sound, then it says more about them than it does me." Prince

Using one of Prince's smartest quotes to make your points more credible is the most disrespectful thing I've seen on this board so far.

It surely is. Imagine that , someone could call you "delusional, yet quote Prince's thoughts concerning reflections . The quote has been butchered and has no bearing on the subject at hand. I wonder how many people were born knowing that 1+1 =2? Some people believe that learning something comes from the instinctive behavior to"know" , as opposed to why the brain learns as it "grows". I'm attemptimg to rap and rhyme here. May be easier to comprehend. If the information it receives is limited, expect the output to be limited. Certain humans rely on instinct because it is the primal order of survival/defense. Anything beyond that is viewed as an unwanted growth phase.

Once the growth is stunted, you will see a redundant pattern that signifies that this particular brain has reached its limitations. There will never be another step taken in the self-actualization process.

They do however, serve a useful evolutionary purpose. So there's that.

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laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

Sheila is a smart and strong woman and Prince knew he could not pull the wool over her eyes. Just my opinion, but Prince seemed to keep his enablers around, and the people who genuinely loved him and cared about him, he pushed away. Not a good way to live your life, imo.

—-Maybe he pushed her a way because he did not want her to be worried or upset. It does not have to always be a bad reason.

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But, that was Prince's biggest problem in life; he pushed people away who wanted to help him.

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

^^ Laura's having an error in her system, she posting the same sentence all over the forum.

It is special for you. Tells you something about yourself.

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Using one of Prince's smartest quotes to make your points more credible is the most disrespectful thing I've seen on this board so far.

It surely is. Imagine that , someone could call you "delusional, yet quote Prince's thoughts concerning reflections . The quote has been butchered and has no bearing on the subject at hand.

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Definitely

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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But, that was Prince's biggest problem in life; he pushed people away who wanted to help him.

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If you think he was a drug addict the only person that could have helped him was himself. If he had an illness what would Sheila have been able to do? Prince was the guy that helped people out. He gave people jobs, he lent money, and gave to charity. What was anyone going to do for him except flip out if they found out he was ill. [Edited 2/2/18 13:52pm]

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What would Sheila have been able to do? Help her friend, Prince and give him love, support and guidance, like any good friend would.

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How can you be a friend to anyone if they shut you out?

Menes said:

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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What would Sheila have been able to do? Help her friend, Prince and give him love, support and guidance, like any good friend would.

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How can you be a friend to anyone if they shut you out?

A kind of friends who knows that support and guidance while well meaning is not going to resolve a stituation that has no solution.

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I don't believe that.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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But, that was Prince's biggest problem in life; he pushed people away who wanted to help him.

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If you think he was a drug addict the only person that could have helped him was himself. If he had an illness what would Sheila have been able to do? Prince was the guy that helped people out. He gave people jobs, he lent money, and gave to charity. What was anyone going to do for him except flip out if they found out he was ill. [Edited 2/2/18 13:52pm]

I still feel he was mostly dependent on painkillers - not really a true "addict". At least not to drugs.

I agree that Sheila wouldn't have been able to do anything, probably.

You made a good point here, which is just how difficult it is for someone who has always seen themselves as a giver, to imagine themselves as being on the receiving end of help.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

I am fully aware of what some medical assoications say. I just do not agree with it. You also realize that has not always been the case.

It also has nothing to do with Prince' s case if from what information we have he was prescribed pain meds for pain and was dependent on them.

Do you honestly think that people who are prescribed pain meds for long term chronic pain have a disease? If they did not have the health issues they would not have needed to take the pain meds so how would they be classified as victims of a disease.

The strength of these meds was increased over the last 15 years and over prescribed to many patients fuling the epidemic we now have.

20 years ago if you have your wisdom tooth pulled the dentist gave you a Tylenol 3 now you get a percocet. I would bet had someome given Prince a Tylenol 3 he might not have been on this road.

Just for your information I tore a legiment in my arm and was offered a Vicodin. I am taking Tylenol 3 and managing just fine. If I had taken the Vicodin and let us say I got hooked on them I guess I would have a disease as well. Everybody's situation is different and this is what happens when you sit at the internet with a textbook while on your lunch break. Stop wasting your time and troll somewhere else.

people do call it an illness.
Check out the language at AA meetings. They call it an illness.

And cocaine addiction is different from pain pills addiction -if the person only took them because they had to for pain.

Yes, addiction is a true illness.

Mostly, the only people who understand this and why it is so, are recovered addicts themselves. This is not an opinion; it's a fact born, and there are too many reasons to go into why it is a fact.

As is often the case, the medical profession takes decades to catch up to truths like this that many others have had to discover for themselves first! Doctors do not have the last say on matters like this. Most are extremely limited in this area, and that is because they don't have the solution for it, so they have to make it a physical thing. They can only look at brain scans or physical proof, and their guesses at what they see a patient's state of mind to be is usually incorrect.

When i think of how many people are led down the road of psychiatric medications...SIGH.

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No idea why people bother with Laura. She is deluded into thinking she has facts and evidence no one else in the world has. Let her have her ego trip and move on.

Zannaloaf said:

No idea why people bother with Laura. She is deluded into thinking she has facts and evidence no one else in the world has. Let her have her ego trip and move on.

I always try my best to ignore her and it always works to a certain point. But then she says somethin' so off the field that I'm like: "Hold the fuck on." And I can't help but write a damn comment. You know, puttin' some real facts outta there, not somethin' like her Trump-Like-Alternate-Facts.

Zannaloaf said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

anangellooksdown said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Using one of Prince's smartest quotes to make your points more credible is the most disrespectful thing I've seen on this board so far.

Why ? Was Prince Jesus. You need to get a grip on reality. You hurl insults you do not think it reflects badly on you? GTFO with this phoney outrage.

How did I insult you in that post? I'm not even outraged, I'm totally calm.

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I always try my best to ignore her and it always works to a certain point. But then she says somethin' so off the field that I'm like: "Hold the fuck on." And I can't help but write a damn comment. You know, puttin' some real facts outta there, not somethin' like her Trump-Like-Alternate-Facts.

No you make no effort to ignore me. I wish you would because you add nothing to the discussion at all.

The things you are throwing in don't add anything to the discussion 2, but you still here commenting your alternate facts. And I do try to ignore you, but it doesn't work.

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ThatWhiteDude said:

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said: