poppys said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Nah, you're back paddling right now You said what you said! Get outta the kitchen if you can't take the heat.

IF Prince fucked Jill Jones in a bathroom, I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT MAKES EITHER OF THEM IS A SLUT. BUT - if you are going to call the female only a slut, then that's not fair. They are both doing the same thing in the bathroom. That is what I think. Is that clear enough for you?

[Edited 1/16/18 12:33pm]

It is ok, and you didn't have to backpeddle to say you were just joking.
.
It is true, if JJ is a slut as a result, then so is Prince.

.
But your post still was offensive/defensive, thinking PurplePenny was agreeing that JJ was a slut for having sex in the bathroom with Prince

ThatWhiteDude said:

poppys said:

IF Prince fucked Jill Jones in a bathroom, I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK EITHER OF THEM IS A SLUT. BUT - if you are going to call the female only a slut, then that's not fair. They are both doing the same thing in the bathroom. That is what I think. Is that clear enough for you?

So you are saying that Prince would not be a slut if he fucked Jill in the bathroom but Jill would be?

OldFriends4Sale said:

poppys said:

IF Prince fucked Jill Jones in a bathroom, I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT MAKES EITHER OF THEM IS A SLUT. BUT - if you are going to call the female only a slut, then that's not fair. They are both doing the same thing in the bathroom. That is what I think. Is that clear enough for you?

[Edited 1/16/18 12:33pm]

It is ok, and you didn't have to backpeddle to say you were just joking.
.
It is true, if JJ is a slut as a result, then so is Prince.

.
But your post still was offensive/defensive, thinking PurplePenny was agreeing that JJ was a slut for having sex in the bathroom with Prince

But I WAS joking. I post with Penny a lot. She don't hate me the way you're trynna put it.

poppys said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

So you are saying that Prince would not be a slut if he fucked Jill in the bathroom but Jill would be?

No. I didn't even see that one part of your post was bolded until now. Again, you are assuming shit.

ThatWhiteDude said:

poppys said:

So you are saying that Prince would not be a slut if he fucked Jill in the bathroom but Jill would be?

No. I didn't even see that one part of your post was bolded until now. Again, you are assuming shit.

Well, not sure what the Jan gif was about. I don't call people sluts for having sex in bathrooms. But whoever does should be an equal opportunity SLUT CALLER, IMO. End of story.

[Edited 1/16/18 12:50pm]

poppys said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

No. I didn't even see that one part of your post was bolded until now. Again, you are assuming shit.

Well, not sure what the sure what the Jan gif was about. I don't call people sluts for having sex in bathrooms. But whoever does should be an equal opportunity SLUT CALLER, IMO. End of story.

I totally get your point poppys, the gif was just an answer because you said you ain't back peddling. The whole situation got way to complicated because your joke wasn't obvious with your first comment on that subject. You told OfS that you've been joking and not attacking Prince.

poppys said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It is ok, and you didn't have to backpeddle to say you were just joking.
.
It is true, if JJ is a slut as a result, then so is Prince.

.
But your post still was offensive/defensive, thinking PurplePenny was agreeing that JJ was a slut for having sex in the bathroom with Prince

But I WAS joking. I post with Penny a lot. She don't hate me the way you're trynna put it.

where am I suggesting PurplePenny hates you? why would I assume that

.

I'm cool with PP and wouldn't put that thought out there, I also remember you two being in cohoots in the Prince is Political thread, where U said 'politics doesn't divide...' lol remember? So I know you and Penny are cool. Why would you suggest I'm insinuating hate?

And even if you two are the best of friends you would have the right to set her straight if she really did say that. It would be unbalanced to not do so right?

.

ThatWhiteDude said:

poppys said:

So you are saying that Prince would not be a slut if he fucked Jill in the bathroom but Jill would be?

No. I didn't even see that one part of your post was bolded until now. Again, you are assuming shit.

The GiF was good though

OldFriends4Sale said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

No. I didn't even see that one part of your post was bolded until now. Again, you are assuming shit.

The GiF was good though

OldFriends4Sale said:

poppys said:

But I WAS joking. I post with Penny a lot. She don't hate me the way you're trynna put it.

where am I suggesting PurplePenny hates you? why would I assume that

.

I'm cool with PP and wouldn't put that thought out there, I also remember you two being in cohoots in the Prince is Political thread, where U said 'politics doesn't divide...' lol remember? So I know you and Penny are cool. Why would you suggest I'm insinuating hate?

And even if you two are the best of friends you would have the right to set her straight if she really did say that. It would be unbalanced to not do so right?

.

The phrase "don't hate me (or that)" - is ALSO a joke. Other people say it too.

Similar to "that don't suck" when you like something.

PennyPurple has enough love for all of youl!

But again Cabello is not a sex object, I really think people are missing it here, and Jill jumped on someone that just so happens to have a number one record and album and an album cover that she disagrees with. She feels that image is making you buy her record and that females should not support that image, because they are playing into the machine. BUT Jill, do the homework before you post on an artist/singer. You are way off on her here, she actually left her label and group and producers because they want sexier stuff from her. The girl is half cuban and half mexican and the dress she is wearing is from her culture in Cuba, just like an african dress etc...these are cultures. Also in her music and no where on this album is Cabello using sex or sexual explicit lyrics like some did to get themselves SOLD back in the day including Jill herself. It really does not get tamer than Cabello, I advise her to listen to the record and see and tell me where the SEX selling is, cause it sure is hell is not on the record, nor or negative stereotypical rappers and guests, its a 38 minute record that she actually hand a major hand in creating also playing piano and guitar on it too at points. SO Jill I dont get it, your point is "be free" but also "dont do this or that", it is funny that often it seems that Womens biggest hurdle and obstacle are other women.

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple has enough love for all of youl!

Personally, I don't know why Jill even wastes her time with this stuff. Doesn't she have better things to do?

ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple has enough love for all of youl!

ThatWhiteDude said:

babynoz said:

ThatWhiteDude said: Im not about to let the likes of you put words in my mouth when I have already detailed what femimism is about in my first reply. Please stop being lazy and deflectimg. Go back and read my post so you can address what I actually said.

pushing your own ideals on other women just because you don't like their self expression, isn't feminism.

TRANSLATION: You can't refute what I actually said so you will continue to deflect and make shit up.

Nice try but not surprising coming from you.

babynoz said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

pushing your own ideals on other women just because you don't like their self expression, isn't feminism.

TRANSLATION: You can't refute what I actually said so you will continue to deflect and make shit up. Jumping on other women in

Nice try but not surprising coming from you.

We gotta lotta women enlightenment to go. This thread is an example.

Another translation: Babynoz was not pushing ideals, she was sharing knowledge. I value what she says.

Jumping on posts telling people what they are saying is not working out here, Dude.

[Edited 1/16/18 14:41pm]

lastdecember said:

babynoz said:

I agree that Jill singling this lady out isn't a good example of the point she is trying to make, but her point is still valid.


I don't have a problem with the album cover but the music sucks.

Well most who say that have not heard the album. But actually I have been in a debate with Jill on FB over this because I believe she just jumped on someone who has a number one hit, first of all there is nothing explicit about this girl nothing degrading about her or has ever been since she started at age 15-16 she is beyond tame, where is Jill on Cardi B who is being compared to the Beatles, surprisingly she is silent. But again as much as I respect Jill she is so way off here it makes her look dumb. There is nothing sexual here, the cover happens to be A dress that is part of Latin culture Cuban to be exact but Jill did no homework and I actually she is the one that calls this a pu**y shot which now puts that thought in everyone’s mind which not one person got from this album cover. This album is the exact opposite of what is out there today, it’s simple, 38minutes of pop two songs on a piano no talk and cursing or anything sexual. Jill needs to really start thinking before she talks, I mean what was Prince selling when he put her in a cop hat and garters and in heels in the 1999 video, what great message was prince going for with any of those early ladies besides having them look how he wanted them and keeping quiet, Jill you look dumb on this one.

That is why I made it a point to listen to the entire album before I commented on it. Not my thing.

As I already stated, I do agree with you that Jill chose the wrong artist to pick on in order to make her point. You engaged with her about it so she can speak for herself about her past.

I still think that the larger point of feminism being subverted is valid.

poppys said:

babynoz said:

Sorry but Jill is spot on. I'm still trying to figure out how modern pop culture got away with redefining feminism as coohie popping? Every single female being shoved down our collective throats is a pop tart with cotton candy for brains. I notice that there is a whole lot more diversity amongst the top male acts. Cabello looks and sounds like a carbon copy of a dozen others before her. Everybody now is either a Beyonce clone, Rihanna clone or a Nikki Minaj clone. Smfh.

It has little to do with what R. Kelly or Chris Brown do onstage because men are not historically the main victims of sexual exploitation. Authentic feminism consists of advocating for who we are, as we are and NOT how well we can emulate what men do. Our strength is that we are not like men, nor do we have to be, or want to be.

Feminism is supposed to be about the idea that our undervalued qualities are every bit as valuable and essential to humankind as our counterparts and should be respected as such. It is about fighting for society to recognize the value of what we bring to the table. Men already think that we are just walking, talking pussies, that is the reason that the women's movement was more about getting society to understand that we are people with actual minds, thoughts, opinions, creativity, resourcefulness, strength, etc.........

It amazes me that the trend is going back toward women's value once again being defined by their pussies.

Jill is talking about a loss of dignity inside yourself. Your own defining of personhood. You have to know you are in danger of losing something to fight for it. As Jill said, lots of men rush to objectify themselves for attention now. But there is always a price.

[Edited 1/16/18 7:12am]

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Zannaloaf said:

https://youtu.be/qHpkTpufFD8

Apparently, Jill has "evolved" and no longer believes it is appropriate for females to rub their hootchie while singing in a music video.

I've never seen or heard a single Jill Jones song other than Mia Bocca because nothing about her interests me, so thanks for the heads up. I have zero problem with anyone who cares to refresh her memory though.

babynoz said:

poppys said:

Jill is talking about a loss of dignity inside yourself. Your own defining of personhood. You have to know you are in danger of losing something to fight for it. As Jill said, lots of men rush to objectify themselves for attention now. But there is always a price.

Always enjoy experiencing what you have to say, baby noz!

poppys said:

babynoz said:

TRANSLATION: You can't refute what I actually said so you will continue to deflect and make shit up. Jumping on other women in

Nice try but not surprising coming from you.

We gotta lotta women enlightenment to go. This thread is an example.

Another translation: Babynoz was not pushing ideals, she was sharing knowledge. I value what she says.

Jumping on posts telling people what they are saying is not working out here, Dude.

[Edited 1/16/18 14:41pm]

I thought that what I wrote was pretty clear. Why that individual is inventing stuff out of thin air is beyond me.

poppys said:

babynoz said:

TRANSLATION: You can't refute what I actually said so you will continue to deflect and make shit up. Jumping on other women in

Nice try but not surprising coming from you.

We gotta lotta women enlightenment to go. This thread is an example.

Another translation: Babynoz was not pushing ideals, she was sharing knowledge. I value what she says.

Jumping on posts telling people what they are saying is not working out here, Dude.

[Edited 1/16/18 14:41pm]

[Snip - luv4u]

lastdecember said:

But again Cabello is not a sex object, I really think people are missing it here, and Jill jumped on someone that just so happens to have a number one record and album and an album cover that she disagrees with. She feels that image is making you buy her record and that females should not support that image, because they are playing into the machine. BUT Jill, do the homework before you post on an artist/singer. You are way off on her here, she actually left her label and group and producers because they want sexier stuff from her. The girl is half cuban and half mexican and the dress she is wearing is from her culture in Cuba, just like an african dress etc...these are cultures. Also in her music and no where on this album is Cabello using sex or sexual explicit lyrics like some did to get themselves SOLD back in the day including Jill herself. It really does not get tamer than Cabello, I advise her to listen to the record and see and tell me where the SEX selling is, cause it sure is hell is not on the record, nor or negative stereotypical rappers and guests, its a 38 minute record that she actually hand a major hand in creating also playing piano and guitar on it too at points. SO Jill I dont get it, your point is "be free" but also "dont do this or that", it is funny that often it seems that Womens biggest hurdle and obstacle are other women.

In some cases it's generational. I see many women around my age engaging in selective memory and we should make the effort to avoid doing that with younglings. There are better ways for us to come to an understanding with them.

That is why I gave the kid the benefit of the doubt and actually listened to the album. While I wasn't particularly impressed, I did not get the feeling that it was gratuitious or gimmicky with regard to sexual content.

Good luck with getting Jill to see your point.

ThatWhiteDude said:

poppys said:

We gotta lotta women enlightenment to go. This thread is an example.

Another translation: Babynoz was not pushing ideals, she was sharing knowledge. I value what she says.

Jumping on posts telling people what they are saying is not working out here, Dude.

[Edited 1/16/18 14:41pm]

[Snip - luv4u]

Attacking people who don't agree with you? Imagine my shock.

That was uncalled for and out of line. Poppy hasn't said anything vulgar towards you.

babynoz said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

[Snip - luv4u]

Attacking people who don't agree with you? Imagine my shock.

That was uncalled for and out of line. Poppy hasn't said anything vulgar towards you.

Exactly. Taking back the get along hug. Sorry.

poppys said:

babynoz said:

Attacking people who don't agree with you? Imagine my shock.

That was uncalled for and out of line. Poppy hasn't said anything vulgar towards you.

Exactly. Taking back the get along hug. Sorry.

Oh my god Poppy, now all of my 0 feelings towards you are hurt. How do I ever get over this punishment?

Oh and just for you to know Babynoz, before you're reporting me, SORRY and with that, I'm outta this thread.

[Edited 1/16/18 15:18pm]

endiadj said:

morningsong said:

Ain't nobody gonna say it, and I ain't gonna say it either, but I believe a whole lot of us are thinking it.

Say it.

Wasn't she bragging not even 6 months ago about how she was Prince's side piece, when he was engaged to somebody else?

morningsong said:

endiadj said:

morningsong said: Say it.

Wasn't she bragging not even 6 months ago about how she was Prince's side piece, when he was engaged to somebody else?

honesty?