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Reply #30 posted 12/30/17 7:08pm

pnv

Vashtix said:

This woman has no idea what was in his head. I am thankful Prince was able to speak for himself in 2015 and in the Piano and Mic tours.


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Susan is clearly talented but her breaking down the lyrics are one sided- she is all about Susannah - which I guess makes sense for Susan without knowing he was still seeing Vanity and others so . . . her assumptions are simply her opinions and not fact.


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We have found out since Prince died he was seeing Jill, Denise, and others while "engaged" to Susannah. In fact we have songs attributed for decades to Susannah that were not for her at all.


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I never understood how the mythology about Susannah inspiring all these songs came about. I now know it came from Susan Rodgers, the Melvoins and Lisa and then people took their word and ran with it as fact. However, we are finding out none of them really knew Prince as they claimed because dear sweet Prince had a whole different world he maintained without them. Prince clearly had a public/private/secret life. There will be debates forever because these people want us to believe one thing when there is so much evidence that does no coincide with Susan's hypothesis of inspiration for the songs.


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I respect Susan and her place in Prince's legacy but she is speaking without having the knowledge or not acknowledging the totality of what was really going on in Prince's life at that time.


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Thank u. Very well put!! Prince himself had went off on Susan Rogers in interviews. She only knew the side of Prince that he let her see. She's very bias. She speaks highly of Wendy Lisa Susannah the Leeds Revolution because those are the people she relate to. Its unfair to credit these people as the power the most talented behind Prince there are many others who influenced and encourage Prince. Your always gonna get a onesided view from Susan Rogers. Sometimes I just wish she would shut up!!! Just my opinion.
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Reply #31 posted 12/31/17 10:18am

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She knew the side she saw, that's all. No one is telling you to take her view as gospel. Such childish behaviour in here.
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Reply #32 posted 12/31/17 5:42pm

wonder505

jaawwnn said:

She knew the side she saw, that's all. No one is telling you to take her view as gospel. Such childish behaviour in here.

Sorry but she will be criticized just as much as Prince was on this site. I know, it sucks doesn't it. shrug

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Reply #33 posted 01/01/18 4:24am

jaawwnn

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wonder505 said:



jaawwnn said:


She knew the side she saw, that's all. No one is telling you to take her view as gospel. Such childish behaviour in here.



Sorry but she will be criticized just as much as Prince was on this site. I know, it sucks doesn't it. shrug

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Ha! Criticism would be fine, that's not what gets posted though. Like the Prince in the Studio book, all views from those involved should be aired, and even then we'll never know the truth.
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Reply #34 posted 01/01/18 10:37am

wonder505

jaawwnn said:

wonder505 said:

Sorry but she will be criticized just as much as Prince was on this site. I know, it sucks doesn't it. shrug

[Edited 12/31/17 18:06pm]

Ha! Criticism would be fine, that's not what gets posted though. Like the Prince in the Studio book, all views from those involved should be aired, and even then we'll never know the truth.

If you listened to the interview, I could see why Prince found her annoying, because she makes claims for which she provides not proof. She's just guessing. She should just stick to the technicalities of how he produced each song. The way she talked about Dorothy Parker and how he chose to keep that off-sound, out of tune melody was briliant and actually made the song was fine. If you listen to Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis and how they desribe the production of each Janet song, they are careful to not speak too much about her personal life , even on the Velvet Rope songs. I guarantee the day a journalist put Susan in her place she'll never speak like that again unless she can back it up.

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Reply #35 posted 01/01/18 2:15pm

purplegirl00

wonder505 said:

jaawwnn said:

wonder505 said: Ha! Criticism would be fine, that's not what gets posted though. Like the Prince in the Studio book, all views from those involved should be aired, and even then we'll never know the truth.

If you listened to the interview, I could see why Prince found her annoying, because she makes claims for which she provides not proof. She's just guessing. She should just stick to the technicalities of how he produced each song. The way she talked about Dorothy Parker and how he chose to keep that off-sound, out of tune melody was briliant and actually made the song was fine. If you listen to Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis and how they desribe the production of each Janet song, they are careful to not speak too much about her personal life , even on the Velvet Rope songs. I guarantee the day a journalist put Susan in her place she'll never speak like that again unless she can back it up.

Well put, especially the bold. It is not her place to discuss Prince's personal aspects of the songs, but if she absolutely must, it should at least reflect the last thing he said about the songs.

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Reply #36 posted 01/02/18 5:13am

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Nonsense, she can say what she likes. She's a person not a machine, she's allowed her opinions and her own experiences. If you want a technical interview then ask technical questions.


I agree that an interviewer should do their homework and maybe query some of her stuff if we have differing accounts but I'd imagine she wouldn't respond well to "YOU AND WENDY ARE THE DEVIL. THAT'S MY QUESTION".

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Reply #37 posted 01/02/18 8:32am

wonder505

jaawwnn said:

Nonsense, she can say what she likes. She's a person not a machine, she's allowed her opinions and her own experiences. If you want a technical interview then ask technical questions.


I agree that an interviewer should do their homework and maybe query some of her stuff if we have differing accounts but I'd imagine she wouldn't respond well to "YOU AND WENDY ARE THE DEVIL. THAT'S MY QUESTION".

[Edited 1/2/18 5:14am]

And we can say what we like, especially since the interview did not inquire more about her statements. Where did I say anything about Susan and Wendy being the devil?

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Reply #38 posted 01/02/18 10:38am

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Yeah, yeah and I can tell you to stop moaning if I want, we've established that we can all say what we want.

[Edited 1/2/18 10:39am]

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Reply #39 posted 01/02/18 11:39am

wonder505

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Yeah, yeah and I can tell you to stop moaning if I want, we've established that we can all say what we want.

[Edited 1/2/18 10:39am]

Go back and read your posts. You're the only one moaning and calling people names because your feelings are hurt over comments I made about Susan Rogers, which to me are justified.

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Reply #40 posted 01/02/18 12:03pm

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I don't really give a damn about you specifically joindate december 2017, I was addressing the thread as a whole. Why not tell me what I think some more though?





[Edited 1/2/18 12:04pm]

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Reply #41 posted 01/02/18 12:19pm

wonder505

jaawwnn said:

I don't really give a damn about you specifically joindate december 2017, I was addressing the thread as a whole. Why not tell me what I think some more though?





[Edited 1/2/18 12:04pm]

Actually you do give a damn otherwise you wouldnt be "moaning" and calling names. I'm calling out your actions not thoughts. And the join date is december 2007. Learn to READ properly.

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Reply #42 posted 01/02/18 12:24pm

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Ha! my bad lol fair enough

What are my actions again? Saying that Susan Rogers is allowed have her opinions? What is being called out here exactly?

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Reply #43 posted 01/02/18 12:29pm

wonder505

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Ha! my bad lol fair enough

What are my actions again? Saying that Susan Rogers is allowed have her opinions? What is being called out here exactly?

For saying people are childish and calling people's opinions nonsense. If you can say she is allowed to have her opinions, we should be allowed to say she should stick to what she knows technically especially when she provides no proof or reasons behind her opinion, especially since Prince himself says she dont know anything about his music. Even if you dont believe what Prince says, its my right to agree or not to agree with him and/or Susan Rogers.

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Reply #44 posted 01/02/18 12:46pm

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oh lord, this is gonna go round and around. Susan Rogers has a right to talk about her own experiences, you have a right to disagree and tell her what she is and is not allowed to talk about in interviews, I have a right to tell you I think you're talking nonsense and to disagree with you, you have a right to tell me to stop trying to quiet you, I have a right to tell you to stop trying to quiet me and so on forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever in my life.

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Reply #45 posted 01/02/18 12:59pm

wonder505

jaawwnn said:

oh lord, this is gonna go round and around. Susan Rogers has a right to talk about her own experiences, you have a right to disagree and tell her what she is and is not allowed to talk about in interviews, I have a right to tell you I think you're talking nonsense and to disagree with you, you have a right to tell me to stop trying to quiet you, I have a right to tell you to stop trying to quiet me and so on forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever in my life.

There's a flaw in your statement. I never tried to quiet you.

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Reply #46 posted 01/02/18 1:06pm

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Uh huh, and I still think y'all should stop moaning.



This has turned into a fantastic thread blahblah

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Reply #47 posted 01/02/18 1:10pm

wonder505

jaawwnn said:

Uh huh, and I still think y'all should stop moaning.



This has turned into a fantastic thread blahblah

Yes it has. and forming an opinion is not moaning. leave your emotions out of the discussion.

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Reply #48 posted 01/02/18 1:13pm

wonder505

Actually no, keep showing your emotions. It's more funny. lol

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Reply #49 posted 01/02/18 1:20pm

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In the words of the great KCOOL

rolleyes

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Reply #50 posted 01/10/18 4:35am

truthskr

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This woman has no idea what was in his head. I am thankful Prince was able to speak for himself in 2015 and in the Piano and Mic tours.


.


Susan is clearly talented but her breaking down the lyrics are one sided- she is all about Susannah - which I guess makes sense for Susan without knowing he was still seeing Vanity and others so . . . her assumptions are simply her opinions and not fact.


.


We have found out since Prince died he was seeing Jill, Denise, and others while "engaged" to Susannah. In fact we have songs attributed for decades to Susannah that were not for her at all.


.


I never understood how the mythology about Susannah inspiring all these songs came about. I now know it came from Susan Rodgers, the Melvoins and Lisa and then people took their word and ran with it as fact. However, we are finding out none of them really knew Prince as they claimed because dear sweet Prince had a whole different world he maintained without them. Prince clearly had a public/private/secret life. There will be debates forever because these people want us to believe one thing when there is so much evidence that does no coincide with Susan's hypothesis of inspiration for the songs.


.


I respect Susan and her place in Prince's legacy but she is speaking without having the knowledge or not acknowledging the totality of what was really going on in Prince's life at that time.


[Edited 12/29/17 7:37am]




I always wondered how/why Susannah seemed to be placed as such a priority in Prince's life by others. Now reading this post I'm understanding possibly it's because that's the narrative that everyone was fed. Not saying it's Susan's fault; just acknowledging how her partial view kinda influenced the story
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Reply #51 posted 01/10/18 6:32am

Zannaloaf

You know we do have a right to our opinions...but we have no direct dealing with ANYTHING in Princes life or work, so our opinions will AWAYS be less informed, hence less relevent, than those who did.

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Reply #52 posted 01/10/18 9:28am

wonder505

Zannaloaf said:

You know we do have a right to our opinions...but we have no direct dealing with ANYTHING in Princes life or work, so our opinions will AWAYS be less informed, hence less relevent, than those who did.

According to PRINCE, Susan Rogers IS LESS INFORMED.

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Reply #53 posted 01/16/18 4:45am

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wonder505 said:

Zannaloaf said:

You know we do have a right to our opinions...but we have no direct dealing with ANYTHING in Princes life or work, so our opinions will AWAYS be less informed, hence less relevent, than those who did.

According to PRINCE, Susan Rogers IS LESS INFORMED.

[Edited 1/10/18 13:09pm]

According to Prince Emancipation was the album he was born to make and Parade isn't that good.

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Reply #54 posted 01/16/18 7:58am

Zannaloaf

wonder505 said:



Zannaloaf said:


You know we do have a right to our opinions...but we have no direct dealing with ANYTHING in Princes life or work, so our opinions will AWAYS be less informed, hence less relevent, than those who did.




According to PRINCE, Susan Rogers IS LESS INFORMED.

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Cause Prince never waffled or changed his mind. You act like he’s not a human being. Most people can’t see everything in their life without a bias.
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