Right, they don't. But it doesn't mean they haven't made a living without Prince and long before Prince. They paid their dues before they even met him. . Throwing Chaka into the mix is silly. She is a household name.

OldFriends4Sale said:

lot of black folk over 45 do not know Maceo (they know James Brown) or Larry (they know Sly)

same way a lot of them think Prince is gay

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and U fought us about and didn't know Sheila E released 3 singles for her 3rd album...your lack of knowledge about Purple culture is ridiculous.

.

that debate about spilling the seed was still waiting for you. You didn't want to be showed up on your religious ideas... 'my people are destroyed by lack of knowledge'

laurarichardson said:

I do not know anyone over the age of 45 who are black who do not know them. Amazing their lack of notierary does not stop them from actually working. Once again genius who over the age of 40 is selling millions of records? They had carreers before Prince and they are still working now that is he gone and their shows are not filled with his songs because they have music of their own to play.

I wait for more of your nonsense. Also get a black card or find someone with one. Your lack of knowledge about culture is ridculous.

You are the only one.

See Chaka websites. She was just on national T.V yesterday.

http://www.chakakhan.com/

Get your head out of the clouds. You might actually know something.

You do not have the ablity to show my up on any topic so far. Many people commented via org notes about your utter nonsense.

OldFriends4Sale said:

lot of black folk over 45 do not know Maceo (they know James Brown) or Larry (they know Sly)

same way a lot of them think Prince is gay

.

and U fought us about and didn't know Sheila E released 3 singles for her 3rd album...your lack of knowledge about Purple culture is ridiculous.

.

that debate about spilling the seed was still waiting for you. You didn't want to be showed up on your religious ideas... 'my people are destroyed by lack of knowledge'

laurarichardson said:

I do not know anyone over the age of 45 who are black who do not know them. Amazing their lack of notierary does not stop them from actually working. Once again genius who over the age of 40 is selling millions of records? They had carreers before Prince and they are still working now that is he gone and their shows are not filled with his songs because they have music of their own to play.

I wait for more of your nonsense. Also get a black card or find someone with one. Your lack of knowledge about culture is ridculous.

If he loved her in a selfless way, , he would find another way to contact her. He is passively aggressively calling her out on her behavior. in a public format. (We love you--why are you treating us this way?...we are perfect. we didn't do anything wrong.) Well, they may love her (as some pre-Prince death posts on the W and L site indicate) but Mark is also calling her out for her behavior in a public way) She did not respond kindly to his tweet because she doesn't buy it for a second. He is acting like he hasn't read her posts that state exactly what her issues are with them. But Mark instead of addressing those issues ignores them and feigns ignorance.. They may love her but Mark is a bad spokesperson because of his passive aggressiveness. Diplomacy is one thing--this bullshit is something else.

OldFriends4Sale said:

uh everyone is posting on twitter and stuff that does not make one bad

Cussing folk out and attacking people does

She put it all out there so why was it 'bad' to say on twitter 'I have one thing to say JJ I love you...' you really see that as the same as JJ cussing them out and posting pictures of her/or some other woman showing her panties and giving 2 middle fingers?

get out...

purplerabbithole said:

NO it is. Passive aggressive game playing. Jill is crass and OTT, but Brown is passive aggressive when he goes to twitter/facebook to make statements like he did to get a public reaction out of her--he is poking the bear. Every little thing these folks state is read and analysized. He is not an idiot.

laurarichardson said:

Did you listen to the 3 hour version? The last hour he had great things to say about him and Prince growing up. He also talked about being happy with his life and how he has a hugh scrape book with clipppings of all the stuff Prince did. He also said he was shocked when Tyka told him how much Prince talked about him as an influnence. I hate saying this maybe Prince kept Charles away because Chazz was not going to kiss his ass or b.s. him. I agree with Chazz he needed someone around who was going to keep it real.

Chazz was also very clear about Andre telling lies and I think he explained his problem with Dre.

He was not attacking anyone he speaking about Prince's mgmt and how they told him to get rid of Charles. Why would he be okay with that?

Why are you falling for his BS?

Talk about someone hitching a ride on the Purple Gravy Train.

Just like P's 3 older siblings, P was NOT close with Chazz for the past 30+ years.

The only thing Chazz is keeping real is his mfing bullshit.

if you really see it as the same, then oh well for you

purplerabbithole said:

If he loved her in a selfless way, , he would find another way to contact her. He is passively aggressively calling her out on her behavior. in a public format. (We love you--why are you treating us this way?...we are perfect. we didn't do anything wrong.) Well, they may love her (as some pre-Prince death posts on the W and L site indicate) but Mark is also calling her out for her behavior in a public way) She did not respond kindly to his tweet because she doesn't buy it for a second. He is acting like he hasn't read her posts that state exactly what her issues are with them. But Mark instead of addressing those issues ignores them and feigns ignorance.. They may love her but Mark is a bad spokesperson because of his passive aggressiveness. Diplomacy is one thing--this bullshit is something else.

OldFriends4Sale said:

uh everyone is posting on twitter and stuff that does not make one bad

Cussing folk out and attacking people does

She put it all out there so why was it 'bad' to say on twitter 'I have one thing to say JJ I love you...' you really see that as the same as JJ cussing them out and posting pictures of her/or some other woman showing her panties and giving 2 middle fingers?

get out...

no one was ever questioning that

you are creating a debate that is not even on the table

purplerabbithole said:

Right, they don't. But it doesn't mean they haven't made a living without Prince and long before Prince. They paid their dues before they even met him. . Throwing Chaka into the mix is silly. She is a household name.

OldFriends4Sale said:

lot of black folk over 45 do not know Maceo (they know James Brown) or Larry (they know Sly)

same way a lot of them think Prince is gay

.

and U fought us about and didn't know Sheila E released 3 singles for her 3rd album...your lack of knowledge about Purple culture is ridiculous.

.

that debate about spilling the seed was still waiting for you. You didn't want to be showed up on your religious ideas... 'my people are destroyed by lack of knowledge'

oh honey, I've put you in your place from day one lol

like about the Sheila E 3rd album having singles... remember that?

You get called out all day long on the org

oho oh via orgnotes oh oh

laurarichardson said:

You are the only one.

See Chaka websites. She was just on national T.V yesterday.

http://www.chakakhan.com/

Get your head out of the clouds. You might actually know something.

You do not have the ablity to show my up on any topic so far. Many people commented via org notes about your utter nonsense.

OldFriends4Sale said:

lot of black folk over 45 do not know Maceo (they know James Brown) or Larry (they know Sly)

same way a lot of them think Prince is gay

.

and U fought us about and didn't know Sheila E released 3 singles for her 3rd album...your lack of knowledge about Purple culture is ridiculous.

.

that debate about spilling the seed was still waiting for you. You didn't want to be showed up on your religious ideas... 'my people are destroyed by lack of knowledge'

What are you questioning? You believe they have been riding the Prince gravy train and we are telling you they had carreers before P came along and still do have carreers. I have not heard much out of Chaka, Larry or Maceo since Prince died. They are not constantly doing interviews discussing him.

We all know who the dogs are that are running behind the Chuck Wagon. Your deflaction will not change that.

OldFriends4Sale said:

no one was ever questioning that

you are creating a debate that is not even on the table

purplerabbithole said:

Right, they don't. But it doesn't mean they haven't made a living without Prince and long before Prince. They paid their dues before they even met him. . Throwing Chaka into the mix is silly. She is a household name.

riding the gravy train has nothing to do with talking about Prince

from 1996 onward the benefitted from the purple one onward.
Especially Larry

laurarichardson said:

What are you questioning? You believe they have been riding the Prince gravy train and we are telling you they had carreers before P came along and still do have carreers. I have not heard much out of Chaka, Larry or Maceo since Prince died. They are not constantly doing interviews discussing him.

We all know who the dogs are that are running behind the Chuck Wagon. Your deflaction will not change that.

OldFriends4Sale said:

no one was ever questioning that

you are creating a debate that is not even on the table

laurarichardson said:

W&L have done nothing but the incidental music for T. V shows and are more known by the public for their time with Prince then anything else.

In FACT they have done sountracks, writen for an produced other artists and won an EMMY for their "incidental" music. Which, by the way is a great career and lucrative. Just becasue you cant wrap your head around success that dosn't involve stadium shows or number one songs doesn't make it real. Perhaps if you weren't a constantly negative and bitching about everything you would have more credibility, but you are the FOX news of opinions on certain people.
Unbalanced.

I agree. His ego is massive. Maybe bigger than Prince. Prince is a genius but I made him way--that bullshit is getting old. He is one of many people to make that claim. Prince was a genius becuase he saw what he could absorb to further his art but not one person has a right to claim their significance over others in terms of influence. I wish they would stop that BS..

Prince's management might have pushed him out but they might have had good reason in this case. Prince was surrounded by enablers and yes men--no doubt. But if the alternative is a relative who thinks he knows everything riding your ass...I don't know ---both choices suck. PLus Chazz gave up on Prince years ago, it seems and visa versa.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

Did you listen to the 3 hour version? The last hour he had great things to say about him and Prince growing up. He also talked about being happy with his life and how he has a hugh scrape book with clipppings of all the stuff Prince did. He also said he was shocked when Tyka told him how much Prince talked about him as an influnence. I hate saying this maybe Prince kept Charles away because Chazz was not going to kiss his ass or b.s. him. I agree with Chazz he needed someone around who was going to keep it real.

Chazz was also very clear about Andre telling lies and I think he explained his problem with Dre.

He was not attacking anyone he speaking about Prince's mgmt and how they told him to get rid of Charles. Why would he be okay with that?

Why are you falling for his BS?

Talk about someone hitching a ride on the Purple Gravy Train.

Just like P's 3 older siblings, P was NOT close with Chazz for the past 30+ years.

The only thing Chazz is keeping real is his mfing bullshit.

you need to fix your post...to differentiate between your words and Laura's...

THey do have success and acclaim and the beginning of that acclaim came from their history with Prince. Wendy still wanted gratitude from Prince but his fame got her started.

Zannaloaf said:

laurarichardson said:

W&L have done nothing but the incidental music for T. V shows and are more known by the public for their time with Prince then anything else.

In FACT they have done sountracks, writen for an produced other artists and won an EMMY for their "incidental" music. Which, by the way is a great career and lucrative. Just becasue you cant wrap your head around success that dosn't involve stadium shows or number one songs doesn't make it real. Perhaps if you weren't a constantly negative and bitching about everything you would have more credibility, but you are the FOX news of opinions on certain people.
Unbalanced.

I try not to make this debate personal between you and me. I wish you would try the same...My interpretation of others' words are no reflection on my morality or character. My opinions are also not illegimate because I am newer. (strawmen arguments--please stop.)

I acknowledge that JIll might have issues with P still , but my point was that unless Mark was willing to address her issues with them (regardless of where the roots of the issues comes from) , his post was condensending and pointless.. I don't know Mark or claim to...He puts himself out there in the public eye -- if he has an issue with how he is intrepreted than he should either stay away from the online world or clarify. But the last thing an angry woman like Jill wants to hear after believing she was slighted by this band at a Prince tribute at Paisley is a condensending "You poor thing, why are you yelling at us. We have always been nice to you." like statement that feigns ignorance online. He is hinting that he doesn't understand her anger but her posts state why she is angry and since he too is online, odds are that he has read her rants. Why is he asking like he heard it through the grapevine? Defending the Revolution in an honest way is fine but that question was condescending and disingenious..IMO.

OldFriends4Sale said:

if you really see it as the same, then oh well for you

purplerabbithole said:

If he loved her in a selfless way, , he would find another way to contact her. He is passively aggressively calling her out on her behavior. in a public format. (We love you--why are you treating us this way?...we are perfect. we didn't do anything wrong.) Well, they may love her (as some pre-Prince death posts on the W and L site indicate) but Mark is also calling her out for her behavior in a public way) She did not respond kindly to his tweet because she doesn't buy it for a second. He is acting like he hasn't read her posts that state exactly what her issues are with them. But Mark instead of addressing those issues ignores them and feigns ignorance.. They may love her but Mark is a bad spokesperson because of his passive aggressiveness. Diplomacy is one thing--this bullshit is something else.

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You mean like you insinuated that my reasonings were based on my appreciation for the Revolution?

My post was about Maceo Chaka Larry Graham post 1996.

It had nothing to do with the Revolution or anyone else for that matter.

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No my last line there. Is just oh well for you, I don't see it the same. I don't.

purplerabbithole said:

I try not to make this debate personal between you and me. I wish you would try the same...My interpretation of others' words are no reflection on my morality or character. My opinions are also not illegimate because I am newer. (strawmen arguments--please stop.)

I acknowledge that JIll might have issues with P still , but my point was that unless Mark was willing to address her issues with them (regardless of where the roots of the issues comes from) , his post was condensending and pointless.. I don't know Mark or claim to...He puts himself out there in the public eye -- if he has an issue with how he is intrepreted than he should either stay away from the online world or clarify. But the last thing an angry woman like Jill wants to hear after believing she was slighted by this band at a Prince tribute at Paisley is a condensending "You poor thing, why are you yelling at us. We have always been nice to you." like statement that feigns ignorance online. He is hinting that he doesn't understand her anger but her posts state why she is angry and since he too is online, odds are that he has read her rants. Why is he asking like he heard it through the grapevine? Defending the Revolution in an honest way is fine but that question was condescending and disingenious..IMO.

OldFriends4Sale said:

if you really see it as the same, then oh well for you

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Yep. I know all of them (including old NPG members of marginal importance) are getting a little extra boost becuase P is gone but they also appreciate that P's life was how they got the boost in the first place. But Mark seems the fakest to me of all of them. Judging from his other statements, he seems like he would alleviate his guilt over secretly being a bit glad P is gone by saying things like "Prince died as a form of self sacrifice/good's will so that his blessed and loyal musical minions can shine.."

I theorize that he wasn't upfront during the Parade days because with the exception of his bass playing, he seems kind of dull. Maybe I am wrong and he has a hidden charisma I am missing (with Mazerati--I don't know) , but Jerome and Wally etc were fun goofballs. They were entertaining for non-musicals reasons. Just going by podcasts, Mark's are are surprisingly dull compared to Jerome's or MOrris Hayes interviews. I am not saying that Mark isn't talented or maybe even a pretty well-intentioned guy but he seems disgenious, self-righteous, and in denial sometimes.

purplefam99 said:

purplerabbithole said:

That is not what she means and you know it. She was referring to Mark Brown feeling neglected as a band member back in the day because Prince was closer to females. Mark Brown gets on my nerves as well sometimes. Instead of saying he deserves credit for helping to arrange and funkify "Kiss", he basically implies he wrote it entirely ("When I wrote the music for Kiss" type statements make it sound like Prince just wrote the lyrics--like Prince is Bernie Taupin..) He also made that not-to-bright statement that death is the payment we make for our sins so that's why he forgave Prince for his bad side. I know you and others said I misinterpreted that biblical reference, but I still think it was an ill-adviced and insenstive thing to say because it could be construed as Prince was being punished for his sins by dying . Plus, people shouldn't have to die to be forgiven. I have listened to Mark Brown Podcasts, he's okay and I do believe he is underrated bass player (and understand if he felt under-utilized when Prince changed up the Revolution with additional flashiness on stage during the Parade years) but I do think he is a bit of a baby. (and a part of me think he is kind of glad Prince is gone so he can shine a little--I hate to say that, but I can't help feeling that vibe--he is now upfront and not having to compete with more charismatic members of Prince's extended Revolution band.)

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i have to say it too.^^^ i think BM may feel it too and he may feel bad about feeling it, but having the feeling non the less.

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Its hard to keep track, but you and Laura were discussing gravy train riders after she hinted that the Revolution were one of them. Then you threw Maceo, Chaka, and LG out there.

OldFriends4Sale said:

You mean like you insinuated that my reasonings were based on my appreciation for the Revolution?

My post was about Maceo Chaka Larry Graham post 1996.

It had nothing to do with the Revolution or anyone else for that matter.

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No my last line there. Is just oh well for you, I don't see it the same. I don't.

purplerabbithole said:

I try not to make this debate personal between you and me. I wish you would try the same...My interpretation of others' words are no reflection on my morality or character. My opinions are also not illegimate because I am newer. (strawmen arguments--please stop.)

I acknowledge that JIll might have issues with P still , but my point was that unless Mark was willing to address her issues with them (regardless of where the roots of the issues comes from) , his post was condensending and pointless.. I don't know Mark or claim to...He puts himself out there in the public eye -- if he has an issue with how he is intrepreted than he should either stay away from the online world or clarify. But the last thing an angry woman like Jill wants to hear after believing she was slighted by this band at a Prince tribute at Paisley is a condensending "You poor thing, why are you yelling at us. We have always been nice to you." like statement that feigns ignorance online. He is hinting that he doesn't understand her anger but her posts state why she is angry and since he too is online, odds are that he has read her rants. Why is he asking like he heard it through the grapevine? Defending the Revolution in an honest way is fine but that question was condescending and disingenious..IMO.

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You comments about Mark are spot on. Please see below more Purple chuck wagon dogs. The actually pioneered the Minneapolis sound. I bet that is news to Morris and Andre.

purplerabbithole said:

Yep. I know all of them (including old NPG members of marginal importance) are getting a little extra boost becuase P is gone but they also appreciate that P's life was how they got the boost in the first place. But Mark seems the fakest to me of all of them. Judging from his other statements, he seems like he would alleviate his guilt over secretly being a bit glad P is gone by saying things like "Prince died as a form of self sacrifice/good's will so that his blessed and loyal musical minions can shine.."

I theorize that he wasn't upfront during the Parade days because with the exception of his bass playing, he seems kind of dull. Maybe I am wrong and he has a hidden charisma I am missing (with Mazerati--I don't know) , but Jerome and Wally etc were fun goofballs. They were entertaining for non-musicals reasons. Just going by podcasts, Mark's are are surprisingly dull compared to Jerome's or MOrris Hayes interviews. I am not saying that Mark isn't talented or maybe even a pretty well-intentioned guy but he seems disgenious, self-righteous, and in denial sometimes.

purplefam99 said:

i have to say it too.^^^ i think BM may feel it too and he may feel bad about feeling it, but having the feeling non the less.

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and Prince for that matter. The Minnapolis Sound is probably more complicated than we realize. But my understanding is that most people think its the funk/rock/new wave combo (in which horns were replaced with synths) Prince and Andre sort of keyed into.

Prince's sound was contributed to a great deal by Alan Leeds. Jellybean contributed by being part of Flynt time right? But Susanna and St Paul??? Pioneers? COntributors and pioneers are not the same thing follks..

Wikipedia's first lines on the Minneapolis Sound are hilarious in this context--

The Minneapolis sound is a subgenre of funk rock with elements of synth-pop and new wave, that was pioneered by Prince in the late 1970s.[1] Its popularity was given a boost throughout the 1980s, thanks to him and his musical adherents, including The Time, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, Morris Day, Vanity 6, Apollonia 6, Ta Mara & the Seen, Sheila E., Jesse Johnson, Brownmark, Mazarati, and The Family.

laurarichardson said:

You comments about Mark are spot on. Please see below more Purple chuck wagon dogs. The actually pioneered the Minneapolis sound. I bet that is news to Morris and Andre.

purplerabbithole said:

Yep. I know all of them (including old NPG members of marginal importance) are getting a little extra boost becuase P is gone but they also appreciate that P's life was how they got the boost in the first place. But Mark seems the fakest to me of all of them. Judging from his other statements, he seems like he would alleviate his guilt over secretly being a bit glad P is gone by saying things like "Prince died as a form of self sacrifice/good's will so that his blessed and loyal musical minions can shine.."

I theorize that he wasn't upfront during the Parade days because with the exception of his bass playing, he seems kind of dull. Maybe I am wrong and he has a hidden charisma I am missing (with Mazerati--I don't know) , but Jerome and Wally etc were fun goofballs. They were entertaining for non-musicals reasons. Just going by podcasts, Mark's are are surprisingly dull compared to Jerome's or MOrris Hayes interviews. I am not saying that Mark isn't talented or maybe even a pretty well-intentioned guy but he seems disgenious, self-righteous, and in denial sometimes.

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I will give it to Jellybean but Alan only added horns to a musical style that started with keyboards taking the part of the horns anyone could have done it he has even said so. Also Alan has been extreamly dismissive of his work with Prince as him just getting a paycheck but guess what he is now ready to take credit for music he claims to not even like.

purplerabbithole said:

and Prince for that matter. The Minnapolis Sound is probably more complicated than we realize. But my understanding is that most people think its the funk/rock/new wave combo (in which horns were replaced with synths) Prince and Andre sort of keyed into.

Prince's sound was contributed to a great deal by Alan Leeds. Jellybean contributed by being part of Flynt time right? But Susanna and St Paul??? Pioneers? COntributors and pioneers are not the same thing follks..

Wikipedia's first lines on the Minneapolis Sound are hilarious in this context--

The Minneapolis sound is a subgenre of funk rock with elements of synth-pop and new wave, that was pioneered by Prince in the late 1970s.[1] Its popularity was given a boost throughout the 1980s, thanks to him and his musical adherents, including The Time, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, Morris Day, Vanity 6, Apollonia 6, Ta Mara & the Seen, Sheila E., Jesse Johnson, Brownmark, Mazarati, and The Family.

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Good point. But Eric's playing is pretty bad-ass and I have no complaints about his contributions. He might have helped expand Prince's sound a bit which I don't take for granted.

People who worked for PRince in some compacity often want people to believe that they are his equal.. but why do they need his name, names (meaning band names, stage names) so badly to keep working and thrieving. They are talented but he was the genius. They want it both ways...the connection to Prince but they don't want to admit that he could have still succeeded without them specificially. They are important to the specific sound we got (and have their own unique talents) , but he was the mastermind (and had more overall skillsets than many of them did) and a mastermind has more than one trick up his sleeve. Whether one likes all of his tricks (in other words eras) is not the point. He was influenced by all of the minneapolis sound but the person who is able to bring all that into a cohesive whole is the genius.

laurarichardson said:

I will give it to Jellybean but Alan is got who added horns to a musical style that started with keyboard taking the part of the horns. Also Alan has been extreamly dismissive of his work with Prince as him just getting a paycheck but guess what he is now ready to take credit for music he claims to not even like.

purplerabbithole said:

and Prince for that matter. The Minnapolis Sound is probably more complicated than we realize. But my understanding is that most people think its the funk/rock/new wave combo (in which horns were replaced with synths) Prince and Andre sort of keyed into.

Prince's sound was contributed to a great deal by Alan Leeds. Jellybean contributed by being part of Flynt time right? But Susanna and St Paul??? Pioneers? COntributors and pioneers are not the same thing follks..

Wikipedia's first lines on the Minneapolis Sound are hilarious in this context--

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Eric Leeds(sax) Alan Leeds (tour manager)

laurarichardson said:

I will give it to Jellybean but Alan only added horns to a musical style that started with keyboards taking the part of the horns anyone could have done it he has even said so. Also Alan has been extreamly dismissive of his work with Prince as him just getting a paycheck but guess what he is now ready to take credit for music he claims to not even like.

purplerabbithole said:

and Prince for that matter. The Minnapolis Sound is probably more complicated than we realize. But my understanding is that most people think its the funk/rock/new wave combo (in which horns were replaced with synths) Prince and Andre sort of keyed into.

Prince's sound was contributed to a great deal by Alan Leeds. Jellybean contributed by being part of Flynt time right? But Susanna and St Paul??? Pioneers? COntributors and pioneers are not the same thing follks..

Wikipedia's first lines on the Minneapolis Sound are hilarious in this context--

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See interview with Eric Leeds were he constantly states that he is a jazz player and he did not really care for most of the stuff he recorded with Prince. I am not going to go into Alan and his comments before Prince died. I am pretty sure all of the guys from the Northside would find this shit laughable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S11NjgzEmRI&t=8s

OldFriends4Sale said:

Eric Leeds(sax) Alan Leeds (tour manager)

laurarichardson said:

I will give it to Jellybean but Alan only added horns to a musical style that started with keyboards taking the part of the horns anyone could have done it he has even said so. Also Alan has been extreamly dismissive of his work with Prince as him just getting a paycheck but guess what he is now ready to take credit for music he claims to not even like.

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I want to clarify that I realize that the Minneapolis Sound is a varied one that existed before Prince. But the Sound that is commonly known is the horns being repleaced by synths sound of Prince's early work which was a noticable innovation. I guess the family could argue that they are currently continuing to be pioneers in the Minneapols Sound but that I find to be presumptious. They didn't pre-date or influence Prince and don't seem to be innovators as far as most can tell. Leeds and Susannah aren't even from there. And Prince discovered St. Paul.

Apparently, they were interviewed for the book "Gotta be something here" about the Minneapolis Sound. that book is supposed to be about the MInneapolis Sound that pre-dated Prince and thus influenced him. Not sure how the Family or any of its members pre-date Prince. I will have to read the book I suppose. I imagine you already have.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Eric Leeds(sax) Alan Leeds (tour manager)

laurarichardson said:

I will give it to Jellybean but Alan only added horns to a musical style that started with keyboards taking the part of the horns anyone could have done it he has even said so. Also Alan has been extreamly dismissive of his work with Prince as him just getting a paycheck but guess what he is now ready to take credit for music he claims to not even like.

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I am reading the book right now. There was another band in Minneapolis called The Family and Prince played with them and Sonny T was in that band. He took that name and put it on the Leeds/ St Paul project. The Family was a Prince project and these guys were just hired players with the exception of Jellybean they are not pioneers of the Minneapolis sound. It also takes nerve of Eric since he has been so dismissive of this style of music.

purplerabbithole said:

I want to clarify that I realize that the Minneapolis Sound is a varied one that existed before Prince. But the Sound that is commonly known is the horns being repleaced by synths sound of Prince's early work which was a noticable innovation. I guess the family could argue that they are currently continuing to be pioneers in the Minneapols Sound but that I find to be presumptious. They didn't pre-date or influence Prince and don't seem to be innovators as far as most can tell. Leeds and Susannah aren't even from there. And Prince discovered St. Paul.

Apparently, they were interviewed for the book "Gotta be something here" about the Minneapolis Sound. that book is supposed to be about the MInneapolis Sound that pre-dated Prince and thus influenced him. Not sure how the Family or any of its members pre-date Prince. I will have to read the book I suppose. I imagine you already have.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Eric Leeds(sax) Alan Leeds (tour manager)

laurarichardson said:

Leeds is a bit of an idiot. He thinks he is clever, but no one takes him seriously as an innovator in the jazz world. He added some cool stuff to Prince's music as long as Prince was in control, when Prince gave him free reign we got elevator music.
[Edited 12/28/17 14:35pm]

OldFriends4Sale said:

Are you actually comparing the careers of Maceo, Chaka and Larry to the careers of members of the Revolution? That's just crazy. Maceo, Chaka and Larry were all hugely successful before they met Prince. Hell, even Sheila had a career before Prince. The members of The Revolution didn't.

Thanks Laura. I was wondering if it was a different band and I had to drive somewhere just now with my kids and was thinking about that possibility during the drive.

laurarichardson said:

I am reading the book right now. There was another band in Minneapolis called The Family and Prince played with them and Sonny T was in that band. He took that name and put it on the Leeds/ St Paul project. The Family was a Prince project and these guys were just hired players with the exception of Jellybean they are not pioneers of the Minneapolis sound. It also takes nerve of Eric since he has been so dismissive of this style of music.

purplerabbithole said:

I want to clarify that I realize that the Minneapolis Sound is a varied one that existed before Prince. But the Sound that is commonly known is the horns being repleaced by synths sound of Prince's early work which was a noticable innovation. I guess the family could argue that they are currently continuing to be pioneers in the Minneapols Sound but that I find to be presumptious. They didn't pre-date or influence Prince and don't seem to be innovators as far as most can tell. Leeds and Susannah aren't even from there. And Prince discovered St. Paul.

Apparently, they were interviewed for the book "Gotta be something here" about the Minneapolis Sound. that book is supposed to be about the MInneapolis Sound that pre-dated Prince and thus influenced him. Not sure how the Family or any of its members pre-date Prince. I will have to read the book I suppose. I imagine you already have.

Brown Mark likes to keep things stirred. He's a shit stirrer.

Just look at the topic of the thread and the tweet he put out...all the while knowing, he had JJ blocked.

Just like the tweet last year of him inviting Eric Benet to take the stage with the rev, if they were in town. He is a shit-stirrer!

purplerabbithole said:

Your horns are showing--as if it takes 30 years to read/watch this part of Prince history.

Prince's career wasn't exactly on the top in late 90's. Larry and Chaka was signed (for a lack of a better word since he didn't do contracts) to his label and it might have given them a slight boost. But in a way, P was in the same boat as they were. Over 35 year old musical talents with no radio play. Larry, I stated, that I agree about being on the gravy train. Chaka has done a ton without Prince. Maceo is a bad-ass and just works and does his own thing. It was so nice seeing him and his brother on the James Brown documentary on Netflix. He paid his dues...James Brown was so scary that Maceo Parker's brother was literally strapped and had to pull a gun on him to defend his brother. P was pussy cat compared to Brown. The similarities were very superficial (even Morris Hayes stated that fact.)

As for my mention of the Revolution, I mentioned them because it is possible they would not have careers without their initital early connection with Prince. It is a tough industry and talent has little to do with fame or being working musicians. Dez Dickerson is very talented and stopped working in the industry and that is with the Prince connections. Mark has been struggling it seems. Dr Fink played for a cover band. Bobby Z had stayed somewhat connected with Prince but I don't recall what he has done professionally. W and L have been the most successful (despite Prince's supposed lack of gratitude.) The Revolution is his most famous band, and Wendy and Lisa are two of the few female composers in the film/tv industry but could they have done it without the attention they garnered in the early early stages of their career with Prince...I don't know (they have the family connections so maybe) . It seems that they have less to gain from Prince tributes than the men in the Revolution to be honest.. I realize that NPG is jumping on the Prince's death gravy train and I have some concerns (Kirk's involvement mainly) but I listened to Morris, Tony and the other dude's podcast and they were hilarious, had great stories, respecful, honest, and forgving of Prince' tougher sides without bringing up issues with others.. No passive aggressive undertones...like I feel that Mark has..

OldFriends4Sale said:

sister please stop lol I'm talking about 1996
I know Chaka Khan

Larry Graham and Maceo

All I said was don't act like Larry Graham Larry and Chaka didn't ride the purple gravy train post 1995 which they did becauce their careers were not even close to what it used to be.

Most people know/knew Chaka, not Larry or Maceo

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the Revolution Lisa or Wendy have absolutely nothing to do with this.
Now I know you are doing hard core 'catch up' with Prince history, so you migh not have know, that Prince went to save those 3 careers

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Larry is and has benefited the most

agree with bolded, they all needed each other if there was any coattail riding they were sharing the ride, they were all super talent in their own right.

OldFriends4Sale said:

riding the gravy train has nothing to do with talking about Prince

from 1996 onward the benefitted from the purple one onward.
Especially Larry

laurarichardson said:

What are you questioning? You believe they have been riding the Prince gravy train and we are telling you they had carreers before P came along and still do have carreers. I have not heard much out of Chaka, Larry or Maceo since Prince died. They are not constantly doing interviews discussing him.

We all know who the dogs are that are running behind the Chuck Wagon. Your deflaction will not change that.

i have missed exactly how Larry has benefitted in a way the would be marked as "especially"

Of4s can you give examples?