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Reply #480 posted 11/17/17 9:45am

FlyOnTheWall

FlyOnTheWall said:

NotACleverName said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: Why, indeed. This particular blog post - http://www.thisis50.com/p...-has-a-son - was penned on November 10, 2015 and proclaims that Cat and Prince are the biological parents of CC. Could this be the genesis of the "rumor"? Who knows; however, I am very curious as to WHO, specifically, first claimed CC as Prince and Cat's son. At some point in time, someone first speculated. Does ANYONE know? Regardless, this particular individual does question whether Tatiana Thumbtzen could be CC's, aka Jordan Nelson, Mother (didn't the woman, PeaceLove[?] also speculate this in her video?) but does eventually settle on Cat as the Mother. This is an extraordinarily long story so I am going to post some of the more fantastical parts as they relate to the actual birth.....enjoy! "Caesar was not born in A hospital he was born in Minneapolis on March 27th 1991 inside of Prince's Secret vault were it's said he may have over 20K Song's plus among many other treasure's inside it. Multiple sources that know the story of Capriccio Caesar's birth all said it was like the Lion King. His mother gave birth in A gold pool like tub that Prince had custom made for the birth of his son. We wore also told that there was many Celebrities in the room including some really big name's. Prince said he wanted his son to be born among'est the stars. One of the people that was in the room that day told us, "I really feel like the beginning of Lion King was inspired by what took place in the vault that day Because that's what that s*** was like. It was something that only people in the know, knew about". Everyone was dressed in white most of them wore white see through silk. There was fresh scents & the finest oil's everywhere. Prince had A choir & his band singing along with song's from A unreleased album that had about 30 songs that he made exclusively for his son's birth. We wore told that the song diamonds & pearls was 1st introduced on his son's exclusive album during his birth. The whole Diamonds & Pearls album was a Dedication to his new born son Jordan. The entire Diamonds & Pearls song was made & about Prince's son. Prince & the child's mother did not know the sex of until he was born because Prince wanted it to be A surprise. If you watch the Diamonds & Pearls video you can see that there's a part were he is in a room with A bunch of kids which was A symbolization of the true meaning of the song. The dancer in the video was said to be wearing A very similar outfit to what everyone else was said to be wearing during his son's birth." Also, CC's birth name, Jordan, is an homage to the Jordan River....or so this story reveals. Mayte had two miscarriages. There are rumors that Manuela and Troy Beyer (this one is suspect as I think at one point she denied it) each miscarried a child conceived by Prince. However, Cat was able to successfully carry not one, but two of Prince's children to term? After all the suffering he experienced with losing Amiir (and possibly two others during his marriages) that he would not have recognized Jordan is quite breathtaking. If he successfully hid the fact he had A CHILD, I would imagine hiding a painkiller addiction was very easy! You can make up your own mind about the veracity of this info and as I mentioned, there IS A LOT OF INFO, but the story is a gem, nonetheless.

Thanks, NACN! I've seen this story. It is a gem...but, in my mind, it lacks veracity. I thought the part about the bathtub birth in the vault was WAY over the top, even for Prince. That is all.

On second thought, maybe this explains the water damage in Prince's Vault!!! hmmm

I kid. I'm sorry, NACN, I couldn't resist making that connection. evillol ohgoon

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Reply #481 posted 11/17/17 10:06am

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No, I don't believe a word of that blog story nor do I believe Prince fathered any unclaimed children.

Cat has claimed she and Prince never dated. In this interview - http://beautifulnightschi...lks-2.html - she is very clear when she states this....'People often ask me if I ever dated Prince. The answer is no. A lot of women that get with Prince mistake his friendship and his affection as them being his "girlfriend." Let's put it like this: if you're his girlfriend, you'll know it. I was never his girlfriend. It was strictly professional. Although, we were both attracted to each other'. An interview posted on this org thread - http://prince.org/msg/5/419009 - in 2008 quotes Cat as saying this when posed a question by the interviewer to expound on her current relationship status with Prince... "Hucky, I haven’t spoken to Prince in years, but I hope that we still have a relationship. I really haven’t tried to contact him. But I’m sure that when I do everything is going to be cool". Odd, if there are children to consider.

Cat did not leave her employ under the best of circumstances and in reading interviews, I would venture to opine that she would say that was the single worst decision in her life. Leaving the way she did would not offer an opportunity for any romantic liaison after her departure. Also, I feel that the mutual attraction she claims was between her and Prince was felt more intensely by her. I would venture to say that Prince's attraction was more so a respect and appreciation for her talent and contribution to the group. Further, I believe Cat's identity is heavily tied into her time with Prince and this speculation of a love child is the most intimate way to continue she is relevant to the story line. The sad fact is that Prince's death offers her the opportunity to coyly participate in perpetuating this parentage question.

Finally, Jordan looks more like Evelyn than a combination of Prince and Cat. The face structure which includes a very square chin, the fold/crease in the eyelid, the fact that Prince's eyes are much deeper set are just a few examples of likeness I noticed. Jordan's tweet (or IG post) about Prince's secretive activity on his account could be true but it could be entirely innocent. Maybe Prince heard about the rumor and wanted to view the person who was being identified as his son. I think there are logical explanations (some even mentioned in this thread) to dispute any evidence.
"Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann
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Reply #482 posted 11/17/17 10:12am

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FlyOnTheWall said:



FlyOnTheWall said:




NotACleverName said:


ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: Why, indeed. This particular blog post - http://www.thisis50.com/p...-has-a-son - was penned on November 10, 2015 and proclaims that Cat and Prince are the biological parents of CC. Could this be the genesis of the "rumor"? Who knows; however, I am very curious as to WHO, specifically, first claimed CC as Prince and Cat's son. At some point in time, someone first speculated. Does ANYONE know? Regardless, this particular individual does question whether Tatiana Thumbtzen could be CC's, aka Jordan Nelson, Mother (didn't the woman, PeaceLove[?] also speculate this in her video?) but does eventually settle on Cat as the Mother. This is an extraordinarily long story so I am going to post some of the more fantastical parts as they relate to the actual birth.....enjoy! "Caesar was not born in A hospital he was born in Minneapolis on March 27th 1991 inside of Prince's Secret vault were it's said he may have over 20K Song's plus among many other treasure's inside it. Multiple sources that know the story of Capriccio Caesar's birth all said it was like the Lion King. His mother gave birth in A gold pool like tub that Prince had custom made for the birth of his son. We wore also told that there was many Celebrities in the room including some really big name's. Prince said he wanted his son to be born among'est the stars. One of the people that was in the room that day told us, "I really feel like the beginning of Lion King was inspired by what took place in the vault that day Because that's what that s*** was like. It was something that only people in the know, knew about". Everyone was dressed in white most of them wore white see through silk. There was fresh scents & the finest oil's everywhere. Prince had A choir & his band singing along with song's from A unreleased album that had about 30 songs that he made exclusively for his son's birth. We wore told that the song diamonds & pearls was 1st introduced on his son's exclusive album during his birth. The whole Diamonds & Pearls album was a Dedication to his new born son Jordan. The entire Diamonds & Pearls song was made & about Prince's son. Prince & the child's mother did not know the sex of until he was born because Prince wanted it to be A surprise. If you watch the Diamonds & Pearls video you can see that there's a part were he is in a room with A bunch of kids which was A symbolization of the true meaning of the song. The dancer in the video was said to be wearing A very similar outfit to what everyone else was said to be wearing during his son's birth." Also, CC's birth name, Jordan, is an homage to the Jordan River....or so this story reveals. Mayte had two miscarriages. There are rumors that Manuela and Troy Beyer (this one is suspect as I think at one point she denied it) each miscarried a child conceived by Prince. However, Cat was able to successfully carry not one, but two of Prince's children to term? After all the suffering he experienced with losing Amiir (and possibly two others during his marriages) that he would not have recognized Jordan is quite breathtaking. If he successfully hid the fact he had A CHILD, I would imagine hiding a painkiller addiction was very easy! You can make up your own mind about the veracity of this info and as I mentioned, there IS A LOT OF INFO, but the story is a gem, nonetheless.



Thanks, NACN! I've seen this story. It is a gem...but, in my mind, it lacks veracity. I thought the part about the bathtub birth in the vault was WAY over the top, even for Prince. That is all.



On second thought, maybe this explains the water damage in Prince's Vault!!! hmmm

I kid. I'm sorry, NACN, I couldn't resist making that connection. evillol ohgoon


Ya never know! 😉 I did pause for a moment at the claim of 20,000 songs in the vault. Isn't that the exact number someone is using in the IM thread? Or is it the estate thread? Fwiw, I do wish he had offspring. Perhaps the ending to his story would have been different.....

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Reply #483 posted 11/17/17 10:21am

FlyOnTheWall

NotACleverName said:

No, I don't believe a word of that blog story nor do I believe Prince fathered any unclaimed children. Cat has claimed she and Prince never dated. In this interview - http://beautifulnightschi...lks-2.html - she is very clear when she states this....'People often ask me if I ever dated Prince. The answer is no. A lot of women that get with Prince mistake his friendship and his affection as them being his "girlfriend." Let's put it like this: if you're his girlfriend, you'll know it. I was never his girlfriend. It was strictly professional. Although, we were both attracted to each other'. An interview posted on this org thread - http://prince.org/msg/5/419009 - in 2008 quotes Cat as saying this when posed a question by the interviewer to expound on her current relationship status with Prince... "Hucky, I haven’t spoken to Prince in years, but I hope that we still have a relationship. I really haven’t tried to contact him. But I’m sure that when I do everything is going to be cool". Odd, if there are children to consider. Cat did not leave her employ under the best of circumstances and in reading interviews, I would venture to opine that she would say that was the single worst decision in her life. Leaving the way she did would not offer an opportunity for any romantic liaison after her departure. Also, I feel that the mutual attraction she claims was between her and Prince was felt more intensely by her. I would venture to say that Prince's attraction was more so a respect and appreciation for her talent and contribution to the group. Further, I believe Cat's identity is heavily tied into her time with Prince and this speculation of a love child is the most intimate way to continue she is relevant to the story line. The sad fact is that Prince's death offers her the opportunity to coyly participate in perpetuating this parentage question. Finally, Jordan looks more like Evelyn than a combination of Prince and Cat. The face structure which includes a very square chin, the fold/crease in the eyelid, the fact that Prince's eyes are much deeper set are just a few examples of likeness I noticed. Jordan's tweet (or IG post) about Prince's secretive activity on his account could be true but it could be entirely innocent. Maybe Prince heard about the rumor and wanted to view the person who was being identified as his son. I think there are logical explanations (some even mentioned in this thread) to dispute any evidence.

I see. That explains why you posted this far-fetched piece. ^^^^^ In any event, the totality of the circumstantial evidence suggesting that Prince fathered two of Cat's children, in my opinion, is overwhelming. I just hope that the truth will eventually emerge. Soon.

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Reply #484 posted 11/17/17 12:36pm

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NotACleverName said:

No, I don't believe a word of that blog story nor do I believe Prince fathered any unclaimed children. Cat has claimed she and Prince never dated. In this interview - http://beautifulnightschi...lks-2.html - she is very clear when she states this....'People often ask me if I ever dated Prince. The answer is no. A lot of women that get with Prince mistake his friendship and his affection as them being his "girlfriend." Let's put it like this: if you're his girlfriend, you'll know it. I was never his girlfriend. It was strictly professional. Although, we were both attracted to each other'. An interview posted on this org thread - http://prince.org/msg/5/419009 - in 2008 quotes Cat as saying this when posed a question by the interviewer to expound on her current relationship status with Prince... "Hucky, I haven’t spoken to Prince in years, but I hope that we still have a relationship. I really haven’t tried to contact him. But I’m sure that when I do everything is going to be cool". Odd, if there are children to consider. Cat did not leave her employ under the best of circumstances and in reading interviews, I would venture to opine that she would say that was the single worst decision in her life. Leaving the way she did would not offer an opportunity for any romantic liaison after her departure. Also, I feel that the mutual attraction she claims was between her and Prince was felt more intensely by her. I would venture to say that Prince's attraction was more so a respect and appreciation for her talent and contribution to the group. Further, I believe Cat's identity is heavily tied into her time with Prince and this speculation of a love child is the most intimate way to continue she is relevant to the story line. The sad fact is that Prince's death offers her the opportunity to coyly participate in perpetuating this parentage question. Finally, Jordan looks more like Evelyn than a combination of Prince and Cat. The face structure which includes a very square chin, the fold/crease in the eyelid, the fact that Prince's eyes are much deeper set are just a few examples of likeness I noticed. Jordan's tweet (or IG post) about Prince's secretive activity on his account could be true but it could be entirely innocent. Maybe Prince heard about the rumor and wanted to view the person who was being identified as his son. I think there are logical explanations (some even mentioned in this thread) to dispute any evidence.

Well now in the recent interview she is saying they got together after she did not work for him anymore. The truth is we have no idea who Prince hooked up with. Even Jill said he had private relationships and public relationships.

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Reply #485 posted 11/17/17 1:19pm

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laurarichardson said:

NotACleverName said:

No, I don't believe a word of that blog story nor do I believe Prince fathered any unclaimed children. Cat has claimed she and Prince never dated. In this interview - http://beautifulnightschi...lks-2.html - she is very clear when she states this....'People often ask me if I ever dated Prince. The answer is no. A lot of women that get with Prince mistake his friendship and his affection as them being his "girlfriend." Let's put it like this: if you're his girlfriend, you'll know it. I was never his girlfriend. It was strictly professional. Although, we were both attracted to each other'. An interview posted on this org thread - http://prince.org/msg/5/419009 - in 2008 quotes Cat as saying this when posed a question by the interviewer to expound on her current relationship status with Prince... "Hucky, I haven’t spoken to Prince in years, but I hope that we still have a relationship. I really haven’t tried to contact him. But I’m sure that when I do everything is going to be cool". Odd, if there are children to consider. Cat did not leave her employ under the best of circumstances and in reading interviews, I would venture to opine that she would say that was the single worst decision in her life. Leaving the way she did would not offer an opportunity for any romantic liaison after her departure. Also, I feel that the mutual attraction she claims was between her and Prince was felt more intensely by her. I would venture to say that Prince's attraction was more so a respect and appreciation for her talent and contribution to the group. Further, I believe Cat's identity is heavily tied into her time with Prince and this speculation of a love child is the most intimate way to continue she is relevant to the story line. The sad fact is that Prince's death offers her the opportunity to coyly participate in perpetuating this parentage question. Finally, Jordan looks more like Evelyn than a combination of Prince and Cat. The face structure which includes a very square chin, the fold/crease in the eyelid, the fact that Prince's eyes are much deeper set are just a few examples of likeness I noticed. Jordan's tweet (or IG post) about Prince's secretive activity on his account could be true but it could be entirely innocent. Maybe Prince heard about the rumor and wanted to view the person who was being identified as his son. I think there are logical explanations (some even mentioned in this thread) to dispute any evidence.

Well now in the recent interview she is saying they got together after she did not work for him anymore. The truth is we have no idea who Prince hooked up with. Even Jill said he had private relationships and public relationships.

he and cat totally hooked up in the sheets in my opinion, she was just his type and all cute and athletic. he did not pass that up! imo She is at her cutest in "i wish you heaven video"

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Reply #486 posted 11/17/17 1:40pm

FlyOnTheWall

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

Well now in the recent interview she is saying they got together after she did not work for him anymore. The truth is we have no idea who Prince hooked up with. Even Jill said he had private relationships and public relationships.

he and cat totally hooked up in the sheets in my opinion, she was just his type and all cute and athletic. he did not pass that up! imo She is at her cutest in "i wish you heaven video"

I always refused to believe that Cat and Prince were not an item. Always. There was just waaaaay too much onstage chemistry. And, knowing what we do about Prince, he tended to get what he wanted. And, he seemed to really want Cat. Plus, we know that most women wanted Prince and she was clearly smitten with him. In other words, it's always been a no-brainer for me.

BTW, they were definitely a cute pair. They lit up the stage.

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Reply #487 posted 11/17/17 1:42pm

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FlyOnTheWall said:



NotACleverName said:


No, I don't believe a word of that blog story nor do I believe Prince fathered any unclaimed children. Cat has claimed she and Prince never dated. In this interview - http://beautifulnightschi...lks-2.html - she is very clear when she states this....'People often ask me if I ever dated Prince. The answer is no. A lot of women that get with Prince mistake his friendship and his affection as them being his "girlfriend." Let's put it like this: if you're his girlfriend, you'll know it. I was never his girlfriend. It was strictly professional. Although, we were both attracted to each other'. An interview posted on this org thread - http://prince.org/msg/5/419009 - in 2008 quotes Cat as saying this when posed a question by the interviewer to expound on her current relationship status with Prince... "Hucky, I haven’t spoken to Prince in years, but I hope that we still have a relationship. I really haven’t tried to contact him. But I’m sure that when I do everything is going to be cool". Odd, if there are children to consider. Cat did not leave her employ under the best of circumstances and in reading interviews, I would venture to opine that she would say that was the single worst decision in her life. Leaving the way she did would not offer an opportunity for any romantic liaison after her departure. Also, I feel that the mutual attraction she claims was between her and Prince was felt more intensely by her. I would venture to say that Prince's attraction was more so a respect and appreciation for her talent and contribution to the group. Further, I believe Cat's identity is heavily tied into her time with Prince and this speculation of a love child is the most intimate way to continue she is relevant to the story line. The sad fact is that Prince's death offers her the opportunity to coyly participate in perpetuating this parentage question. Finally, Jordan looks more like Evelyn than a combination of Prince and Cat. The face structure which includes a very square chin, the fold/crease in the eyelid, the fact that Prince's eyes are much deeper set are just a few examples of likeness I noticed. Jordan's tweet (or IG post) about Prince's secretive activity on his account could be true but it could be entirely innocent. Maybe Prince heard about the rumor and wanted to view the person who was being identified as his son. I think there are logical explanations (some even mentioned in this thread) to dispute any evidence.

I see. That explains why you posted this far-fetched piece. ^^^^^ In any event, the totality of the circumstantial evidence suggesting that Prince fathered two of Cat's children, in my opinion, is overwhelming. I just hope that the truth will eventually emerge. Soon.


I will concede that some information is intriguing enough; however, for me, the idea that Prince would deny his flesh and blood their birthright (even under the guise of protecting them) tips this to not possible. However, if it is unequivocally proven that Prince is the Father of either or both children in question, I will be more than happy to acknowledge I was wrong.

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Reply #488 posted 11/17/17 1:45pm

FlyOnTheWall

FlyOnTheWall said:

laurarichardson said:


Now, there's a thought: Madrid 2 Chicago... hmmm

Here's what Prince Vault says about that unreleased album.

"The tracks "Madrid 2 Chicago" and "Breathe," released through the NPG Music Club in January 2002, were announced as coming from the album. No other tracks are known, but the album was to be credited to prince , indicating that the album was completed before prince reverted to using the name Prince in May 2000."

Here are the lyrics:



Madrid 2 Chicago

Madrid 2 Chicago
Nothing but U on the mind
Bills 2 pay, my hairdresser's gay
And the present proves there's no time (Time)

3 pillow couch in a dark brown shade
Another misinterpretation and I still got it made (Made)
How am I gonna make this connection when I-I got nothing but U'
(Nothing but eatin' that pussy)

I got U on my mind, U on my mind
Madrid 2 Chicago
I got U on my mind, U on my mind
Nothing but U on my mind (Hey)

Transfer a million dollars 2 gold
The opposite of ivory color of your thighs
Is molded into my mind
Like the secret code of Egypt
And I love U, said I love U, I love U, I love U
Madrid 2 Chicago
And there's nothing but U on my mind (Mind)
U, baby

Madrid 2 Chicago
U on my mind
Madrid 2 Chicago
Got U on my mind
Madrid 2 Chicago
U, U

(Da da, da da, da da, da da)
U, oh, oh, U on my mind (Madrid 2 Chicago, Madrid 2 Chicago)
Got U on the mind (Madrid 2 Chicago, Madrid 2 Chicago)
Oh, I can't stop thinking about U baby

Madrid 2 Chicago
(Madrid 2 Chicago, Madrid 2 Chicago)
U, U, U, U, U
(Madrid 2 Chicago, Madrid 2 Chicago)
Oh, nothing, nothing but U on my mind, yah (U on my mind, on my mind)
Ooh, oh yes, as soon as I see U baby
I'm gonna put my tongue right there, ooh
Please fasten your seatbelts
We're making our final approach in...

©NPG Music Club


I found more on this song on Prince Vault:

"While specific recording dates are not known, initial tracking took place in 1998, most likely at Paisley Park Studios, Chanhassen, MN, USA. The released version leads directly into the track Breathe (released on the same day, and also planned for Madrid 2 Chicago), indicating that they may have been recorded during the same sessions. The track was credited upon release to prince , even though it was released after Prince reverted back to his original stage name, as the track was recorded while using the name prince . The track's title (and its lyrics) come from the return flight Prince often took while Mayte lived temporarily in Spain."

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Reply #489 posted 11/17/17 1:55pm

purplefam99

NotACleverName said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I see. That explains why you posted this far-fetched piece. ^^^^^ In any event, the totality of the circumstantial evidence suggesting that Prince fathered two of Cat's children, in my opinion, is overwhelming. I just hope that the truth will eventually emerge. Soon.

I will concede that some information is intriguing enough; however, for me, the idea that Prince would deny his flesh and blood their birthright (even under the guise of protecting them) tips this to not possible. However, if it is unequivocally proven that Prince is the Father of either or both children in question, I will be more than happy to acknowledge I was wrong.

i think that there was a ton of JOHN L Nelson in Prince, and where as i don't think he or john would

out and out deny their children i do think that they may have been ok creating them and continuing

on in their own way. Sadly this was common and where as it was not a traditional creation of family

often these men did love there kids albeit in this oddly removed distant almost bear like way. the

mother bear attracted to the most virile male bear mates has offspring, the next season she may choose a different bear. sorry but i do think we are just animals when boiled down. :/ seems like

it in some of our behavior anyway.

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Reply #490 posted 11/17/17 1:57pm

purplefam99

FlyOnTheWall said:

purplefam99 said:

he and cat totally hooked up in the sheets in my opinion, she was just his type and all cute and athletic. he did not pass that up! imo She is at her cutest in "i wish you heaven video"

I always refused to believe that Cat and Prince were not an item. Always. There was just waaaaay too much onstage chemistry. And, knowing what we do about Prince, he tended to get what he wanted. And, he seemed to really want Cat. Plus, we know that most women wanted Prince and she was clearly smitten with him. In other words, it's always been a no-brainer for me.

BTW, they were definitely a cute pair. They lit up the stage.

the way he smiles at her onstage is him, you can see it, it is prince pre prince that is smiling. it

comes from a different place. i think she was his "around the way girl" a true boyhood crush type of girl. ones whos beauty was her own not maufactured.

[Edited 11/17/17 13:59pm]

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Reply #491 posted 11/17/17 4:11pm

FlyOnTheWall

purplefam99 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I always refused to believe that Cat and Prince were not an item. Always. There was just waaaaay too much onstage chemistry. And, knowing what we do about Prince, he tended to get what he wanted. And, he seemed to really want Cat. Plus, we know that most women wanted Prince and she was clearly smitten with him. In other words, it's always been a no-brainer for me.

BTW, they were definitely a cute pair. They lit up the stage.

the way he smiles at her onstage is him, you can see it, it is prince pre prince that is smiling. it

comes from a different place. i think she was his "around the way girl" a true boyhood crush type of girl. ones whos beauty was her own not maufactured.

[Edited 11/17/17 13:59pm]

That's an interesting observation, purplefam99. Now that you mention it, even the storyline that he crafted for the SOTT tour/movie was about him crushing on a girl who was with someone else. And, I think he deliberately came up with that plot (and all those scenes where he was all over Cat.)

I'm reminded of an interview I saw where he was reflecting on his youth. I forget the context, but a question must have come up about a woman he worked with or something. He laughed and said that when he was younger he would have written a scene so that he was in close contact with her. I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist of what he said. That told me that if he was in an intimate scene with a woman in one of his productions, it was because that was either the reality or he wanted it to be.

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Reply #492 posted 11/17/17 6:21pm

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NotACleverName said:

I will concede that some information is intriguing enough; however, for me, the idea that Prince would deny his flesh and blood their birthright (even under the guise of protecting them) tips this to not possible. However, if it is unequivocally proven that Prince is the Father of either or both children in question, I will be more than happy to acknowledge I was wrong.

We dont know if P denied any child(ren) birthright.

We dont know what arrangements had been put in place.

P was a very private man.

My question remains unanswered.

Why would gossip blogs write about a secret child in regard to a random dude in Texas prior to Ps passing?

Why didnt P ask his attorneys to send a C&D letter to these blogs?

We know he was quite proficient in sending those letters out. lol

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Reply #493 posted 11/17/17 6:29pm

purplefam99

FlyOnTheWall said:

purplefam99 said:

the way he smiles at her onstage is him, you can see it, it is prince pre prince that is smiling. it

comes from a different place. i think she was his "around the way girl" a true boyhood crush type of girl. ones whos beauty was her own not maufactured.

[Edited 11/17/17 13:59pm]

That's an interesting observation, purplefam99. Now that you mention it, even the storyline that he crafted for the SOTT tour/movie was about him crushing on a girl who was with someone else. And, I think he deliberately came up with that plot (and all those scenes where he was all over Cat.)

I'm reminded of an interview I saw where he was reflecting on his youth. I forget the context, but a question must have come up about a woman he worked with or something. He laughed and said that when he was younger he would have written a scene so that he was in close contact with her. I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist of what he said. That told me that if he was in an intimate scene with a woman in one of his productions, it was because that was either the reality or he wanted it to be.

yes i think that he had numerous fantasy girls. i think she was the fun, cute, stay up late talking on the phone, passing notes in the hallway, type of girl that he emualated ever other realtionship after.

he loved that type, theme, scenario. The type of girl cat was, was that inner city, old school, mind

your mama, church on sunday, good and bad girl but mostly good girl type that he loved and wanted

in high school and forever chased that simplicity.

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Reply #494 posted 11/17/17 7:19pm

FlyOnTheWall

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

NotACleverName said:

I will concede that some information is intriguing enough; however, for me, the idea that Prince would deny his flesh and blood their birthright (even under the guise of protecting them) tips this to not possible. However, if it is unequivocally proven that Prince is the Father of either or both children in question, I will be more than happy to acknowledge I was wrong.

We dont know if P denied any child(ren) birthright.

We dont know what arrangements had been put in place.

P was a very private man.

My question remains unanswered.

Why would gossip blogs write about a secret child in regard to a random dude in Texas prior to Ps passing?

Why didnt P ask his attorneys to send a C&D letter to these blogs?

We know he was quite proficient in sending those letters out. lol

yeahthat

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Reply #495 posted 11/17/17 7:26pm

purplefam99

FlyOnTheWall said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

We dont know if P denied any child(ren) birthright.

We dont know what arrangements had been put in place.

P was a very private man.

My question remains unanswered.

Why would gossip blogs write about a secret child in regard to a random dude in Texas prior to Ps passing?

Why didnt P ask his attorneys to send a C&D letter to these blogs?

We know he was quite proficient in sending those letters out. lol

yeahthat

it was mention in another thread where P talks about the back and forth estrangement he had with

his own father. it is not out of place for him to duplicate that same behavior of estrangement. he

was accustomed to it. that doesn't make him mean or cold in my view it makes him a product of his

environment.

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Reply #496 posted 11/18/17 7:05am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



NotACleverName said:




I will concede that some information is intriguing enough; however, for me, the idea that Prince would deny his flesh and blood their birthright (even under the guise of protecting them) tips this to not possible. However, if it is unequivocally proven that Prince is the Father of either or both children in question, I will be more than happy to acknowledge I was wrong.

We dont know if P denied any child(ren) birthright. We dont know what arrangements had been put in place. P was a very private man. My question remains unanswered. Why would gossip blogs write about a secret child in regard to a random dude in Texas prior to Ps passing? Why didnt P ask his attorneys to send a C&D letter to these blogs? We know he was quite proficient in sending those letters out. lol

Ok....at this point in time, there is no child heir laying claim to $, PP, the vault or any other personal property Prince left when he died. Those items are any living child's birthright. There has been no recorded, verbal or written, will found and the court is proceeding based on that.

I have found two blogs written about CC prior to Prince's passing. The one I posted in a prior response (Nov 2015) and one which details Cat's hospital stay (Jan 2016). If you have others, please direct me to them as I would be interested in reading them.

Again, offering an opinion, perhaps Prince thought the claim was so outlandish, he decided it was not worth the time. Perhaps he surmised these claims would not affect his IP in any way and therefore, nothing to worry about.

Is it possible Prince fathered a child? Of course, anything is possible. Is it probable? Imo, no.
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Reply #497 posted 11/18/17 9:07am

purplefam99

NotACleverName said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



NotACleverName said:




I will concede that some information is intriguing enough; however, for me, the idea that Prince would deny his flesh and blood their birthright (even under the guise of protecting them) tips this to not possible. However, if it is unequivocally proven that Prince is the Father of either or both children in question, I will be more than happy to acknowledge I was wrong.

We dont know if P denied any child(ren) birthright. We dont know what arrangements had been put in place. P was a very private man. My question remains unanswered. Why would gossip blogs write about a secret child in regard to a random dude in Texas prior to Ps passing? Why didnt P ask his attorneys to send a C&D letter to these blogs? We know he was quite proficient in sending those letters out. lol

Ok....at this point in time, there is no child heir laying claim to $, PP, the vault or any other personal property Prince left when he died. Those items are any living child's birthright. There has been no recorded, verbal or written, will found and the court is proceeding based on that.

I have found two blogs written about CC prior to Prince's passing. The one I posted in a prior response (Nov 2015) and one which details Cat's hospital stay (Jan 2016). If you have others, please direct me to them as I would be interested in reading them.

Again, offering an opinion, perhaps Prince thought the claim was so outlandish, he decided it was not worth the time. Perhaps he surmised these claims would not affect his IP in any way and therefore, nothing to worry about.

Is it possible Prince fathered a child? Of course, anything is possible. Is it probable? Imo, no.


Well he is in fact a father. But I know what u meant.
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Reply #498 posted 11/18/17 12:05pm

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laurarichardson said:

NotACleverName said:

No, I don't believe a word of that blog story nor do I believe Prince fathered any unclaimed children. Cat has claimed she and Prince never dated. In this interview - http://beautifulnightschi...lks-2.html - she is very clear when she states this....'People often ask me if I ever dated Prince. The answer is no. A lot of women that get with Prince mistake his friendship and his affection as them being his "girlfriend." Let's put it like this: if you're his girlfriend, you'll know it. I was never his girlfriend. It was strictly professional. Although, we were both attracted to each other'. An interview posted on this org thread - http://prince.org/msg/5/419009 - in 2008 quotes Cat as saying this when posed a question by the interviewer to expound on her current relationship status with Prince... "Hucky, I haven’t spoken to Prince in years, but I hope that we still have a relationship. I really haven’t tried to contact him. But I’m sure that when I do everything is going to be cool". Odd, if there are children to consider. Cat did not leave her employ under the best of circumstances and in reading interviews, I would venture to opine that she would say that was the single worst decision in her life. Leaving the way she did would not offer an opportunity for any romantic liaison after her departure. Also, I feel that the mutual attraction she claims was between her and Prince was felt more intensely by her. I would venture to say that Prince's attraction was more so a respect and appreciation for her talent and contribution to the group. Further, I believe Cat's identity is heavily tied into her time with Prince and this speculation of a love child is the most intimate way to continue she is relevant to the story line. The sad fact is that Prince's death offers her the opportunity to coyly participate in perpetuating this parentage question. Finally, Jordan looks more like Evelyn than a combination of Prince and Cat. The face structure which includes a very square chin, the fold/crease in the eyelid, the fact that Prince's eyes are much deeper set are just a few examples of likeness I noticed. Jordan's tweet (or IG post) about Prince's secretive activity on his account could be true but it could be entirely innocent. Maybe Prince heard about the rumor and wanted to view the person who was being identified as his son. I think there are logical explanations (some even mentioned in this thread) to dispute any evidence.

Well now in the recent interview she is saying they got together after she did not work for him anymore. The truth is we have no idea who Prince hooked up with. Even Jill said he had private relationships and public relationships.

but does that mean some were public specifically as media hype (troy beyers pregnancy) and the real ones he kept to himself??

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Reply #499 posted 11/18/17 12:10pm

Morgaine

purplefam99 said:

anangellooksdown said:



This is possible. Also, knowing Prince as we do today, he could have perhaps kept this completely quiet and been present in some fashion. However something inside me tells me he had no living children.


That seems highly improbable that would mean he never had condom failure or the partner was always on birth control. Thoughts?


Miscarriage(s), possibly from genetics. Abortion.
I have no way of knowing, but it's entirely plausible he controlled this aspect as well. It wouldn't be difficult with the money and fame he had.
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Reply #500 posted 11/18/17 12:11pm

FlyOnTheWall

luvsexy4all said:

laurarichardson said:

Well now in the recent interview she is saying they got together after she did not work for him anymore. The truth is we have no idea who Prince hooked up with. Even Jill said he had private relationships and public relationships.

but does that mean some were public specifically as media hype (troy beyers pregnancy) and the real ones he kept to himself??

yeahthat

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Reply #501 posted 11/18/17 12:18pm

FlyOnTheWall

NotACleverName said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I see. That explains why you posted this far-fetched piece. ^^^^^ In any event, the totality of the circumstantial evidence suggesting that Prince fathered two of Cat's children, in my opinion, is overwhelming. I just hope that the truth will eventually emerge. Soon.

I will concede that some information is intriguing enough; however, for me, the idea that Prince would deny his flesh and blood their birthright (even under the guise of protecting them) tips this to not possible. However, if it is unequivocally proven that Prince is the Father of either or both children in question, I will be more than happy to acknowledge I was wrong.

NACN, I'm curious: relative to this discussion about Prince possibly fathering children with Cat, what information do you find "intriguing"? Thanks in advance.

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Reply #502 posted 11/18/17 12:40pm

Morgaine

endiadj said:

I don't believe for one second those are Prince's kids. No way would any woman not stake her claim as the mother of Prince's only kids. Mayte's sure making a living off of it for two decades! I believe there was a question in Cat's mind but DNA tests back then proved otherwise.


Mayte has been making a living off of her & P's deceased son for 20 years?
What's that phrase about pointing fingers? wink
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Reply #503 posted 11/18/17 8:32pm

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In Mayte's defense, if she has made money off anything in the past (not directly related to her own talents) , it has been her association with Prince as his wife. Only recently has the deceased child been a focus of attention.. a bit during the Ex-Wives show (but that was not specific or detailed).



Morgaine said:

endiadj said:
I don't believe for one second those are Prince's kids. No way would any woman not stake her claim as the mother of Prince's only kids. Mayte's sure making a living off of it for two decades! I believe there was a question in Cat's mind but DNA tests back then proved otherwise.
Mayte has been making a living off of her & P's deceased son for 20 years? What's that phrase about pointing fingers? wink

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Reply #504 posted 11/18/17 8:49pm

FlyOnTheWall

FlyOnTheWall said:

On a side note, did Cat wear the matching earring to the single hoop that Prince used to wear?



I just finished rewatching the Mel B interview with Prince at Paisley Park in 1998 and, I can't be certain, but that sure does look like the same hoop earring that Prince is caressing and nibbling during that entire interview. It was extremely erotic. As one person commented, "Oh God, he was so fine he's driving me crazy, I wish I was that hoop earring." Perhaps I'm making too much of this, but might this be some sort of clue hidden in plain sight? hmmm

Anywho, here are some screenshots of that interview. BTW: I think this is the closest we'll ever get to seeing Prince flirting and turning on the charm. One commenter even said that it was almost like watching a first date (with Prince still married to M1 and wearing his wedding ring...all while virtually making love to that earring). If I'm not mistaken, Mayte was in Madrid at this time.


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Reply #505 posted 11/18/17 9:24pm

purplefam99

FlyOnTheWall said:



FlyOnTheWall said:


On a side note, did Cat wear the matching earring to the single hoop that Prince used to wear?





I just finished rewatching the Mel B interview with Prince at Paisley Park in 1998 and, I can't be certain, but that sure does look like the same hoop earring that Prince is caressing and nibbling during that entire interview. It was extremely erotic. As one person commented, "Oh God, he was so fine he's driving me crazy, I wish I was that hoop earring." Perhaps I'm making too much of this, but might this be some sort of clue hidden in plain sight? hmmm

Anywho, here are some screenshots of that interview. BTW: I think this is the closest we'll ever get to seeing Prince flirting and turning on the charm. One commenter even said that it was almost like watching a first date (with Prince still married to M1 and wearing his wedding ring...all while virtually making love to that earring). If I'm not mistaken, Mayte was in Madrid at this time.





Yes I have see it!! This interview is full of tells!!!!
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Reply #506 posted 11/18/17 9:27pm

FlyOnTheWall

purplefam99 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:


I just finished rewatching the Mel B interview with Prince at Paisley Park in 1998 and, I can't be certain, but that sure does look like the same hoop earring that Prince is caressing and nibbling during that entire interview. It was extremely erotic. As one person commented, "Oh God, he was so fine he's driving me crazy, I wish I was that hoop earring." Perhaps I'm making too much of this, but might this be some sort of clue hidden in plain sight? hmmm

Anywho, here are some screenshots of that interview. BTW: I think this is the closest we'll ever get to seeing Prince flirting and turning on the charm. One commenter even said that it was almost like watching a first date (with Prince still married to M1 and wearing his wedding ring...all while virtually making love to that earring). If I'm not mistaken, Mayte was in Madrid at this time.


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Yes I have see it!! This interview is full of tells!!!!

Indeed...but do you think that's the same earring that he and Cat were wearing back during the SOTT era, (probably one of her earrings that became his)? And, if so, do you think that's significant?

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Reply #507 posted 11/18/17 9:33pm

purplefam99

FlyOnTheWall said:



purplefam99 said:


FlyOnTheWall said:



I just finished rewatching the Mel B interview with Prince at Paisley Park in 1998 and, I can't be certain, but that sure does look like the same hoop earring that Prince is caressing and nibbling during that entire interview. It was extremely erotic. As one person commented, "Oh God, he was so fine he's driving me crazy, I wish I was that hoop earring." Perhaps I'm making too much of this, but might this be some sort of clue hidden in plain sight? hmmm

Anywho, here are some screenshots of that interview. BTW: I think this is the closest we'll ever get to seeing Prince flirting and turning on the charm. One commenter even said that it was almost like watching a first date (with Prince still married to M1 and wearing his wedding ring...all while virtually making love to that earring). If I'm not mistaken, Mayte was in Madrid at this time.




Yes I have see it!! This interview is full of tells!!!!

Indeed...but do you think that's the same earring that he and Cat were wearing back during the SOTT era? And, if so, do you think that's significant?



It looks like the same type of earring, fits in the Madrid to chi,
Seems right up his hidden messages on an album self.
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Reply #508 posted 11/18/17 9:46pm

FlyOnTheWall

purplefam99 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Indeed...but do you think that's the same earring that he and Cat were wearing back during the SOTT era? And, if so, do you think that's significant?

It looks like the same type of earring, fits in the Madrid to chi, Seems right up his hidden messages on an album self.

LOL. It's definitely the same type, but I don't think he had worn the hoop (or any earrings) for years. He had switched over to the ear cuffs that he made famous. Almost everybody comments on him and that earring in that interview. Wouldn't it be something if he were sending a message the entire time? Now that I think about it, did he ever wear earrings other than that single hoop?

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Reply #509 posted 11/18/17 10:02pm

purplefam99

FlyOnTheWall said:



purplefam99 said:


FlyOnTheWall said:


Indeed...but do you think that's the same earring that he and Cat were wearing back during the SOTT era? And, if so, do you think that's significant?



It looks like the same type of earring, fits in the Madrid to chi, Seems right up his hidden messages on an album self.

LOL. It's definitely the same type, but I don't think he had worn the hoop (or any earrings) for years. He had switched over to the ear cuffs that he made famous. Almost everybody comments on him and that earring in that interview. Wouldn't it be something if he were sending a message the entire time? Now that I think about it, did he ever wear earrings other than that single hoop?




I only recall hoop, cuffs or nothing.
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