laurarichardson said:

endiadj said:

Mid to late 30's isn't even old, though. Then there's Mick Jagger having a healthy kid at 70.

Lord he was older then Matye and as women and men get older complications can occur. I hope you are not arguing with science. You can read up on the type 2 syndrome that Ahmir had and see for yourself.

Jesus yeah he was older than Mayte, but you make it seem like he was 50 years old I don't think his age (38) was a problem, my teacher was at the same age and got healthy children.

FlyOnTheWall said:

NotACleverName said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

With regard to your five points, here are my responses. 1. Okay. Nelson is THAT common a name in MN. Okay. BTW: What is the "MN connection" to which you refer? 2. I don't know if you're serious or not, but how many musical superstars do we know of who have children who are just as talented as they? 3. You make no mention of CC's (and Angel's) rare eye color. 4. Referring back to #1: Okay. Nelson is such a common name in MN. 5. So, you think that Cat would make up a 5th child? Do you also think her daughter Amber was being "coy" when she referred to "my brother Jordan" on Facebook? 6. I'm not sure of Jordan's age, but I believe he was born in 1990 or 1991, which would make him around 26 or 27. 7. There is one point, however, on which we can agree: I just don't understand how Prince would let this happen twice, but I'll be damned if Angel doesn't have eyes like him and his mother. Remember, less than two percent of the entire world population has green eyes. Less than two percent...of the entire world population. And, Cat just happens to have a daughter with green eyes, after being involved with Prince, who has green eyes. I tell you, the moment I laid eyes on a photo of Angel, I was convinced that this child was somehow Prince's. And, I don't think Cat was just being "coy" with these Facebook comments: "he said he loved her green eyes!! and her beauty mark on her left upper side of her face." Of course, this was said during a discussion about (who else?) Prince. Lastly, perhaps it's just me, but I find the floral pattern frame Angel uses similar to that one used on the Purple Rain album/CD cover. [Edited 11/21/17 18:11pm]

I am not investing as much time to this speculation so I'm going to respond that no, the comparison of an album cover and photo frame is absolutely not something I would presume to be an indiscreet nod to the lineage of my child. Nor would I do the same for an earring. Or a song (that has been quoted on an often referenced, apparently thoroughly researched site devoted to detailing Prince's recordings, concerts, etc. to have been penned about an ex wife and not a secret lover). Yes, 2% does indicate green eyes to be rare; however, Cat traveled the world and therefore, had access to more of that 2%. I doubt that Prince was the only male she ever came into contact with to have green eyes. Prince mentored other musical artists. That was what he did throughout his entire career. And, those he mentored have stated he was a particularly relentless taskmaster. However, with his biological son, he chose not to participate in fostering his musical interest. So, not only did he NOT claim his biological son, but he also willingly chose to not foster this child's musical potential? Ok. I cannot say what any of Cat's intent or her children's intent is/was. I don't know them. I can say that someone is deliberately being deceitful. Rest assured, I will not lose any sleep over it. My view is that if an individual continuously dances around a topic and has publicly stated one version of a story to be true and then claims an opposing version of the same story to be true, I will eventually conclude they cannot state their truth. And, frankly, yes, Cat is acting coyly by posting side by side photos of Prince and Jordan with only "Hmmmmmmm...." as an explanation. You previously stated you don't have knowledge of who the mysterious "he" is Cat is referring to in this four hour interview. But, now you have decided it was, indeed Prince? And, Prince loved Angel's green eyes and left sided face beauty mark? And you remember this off handed comment from Cat's 2013 FB post? The inference is remarkable. I have offered my opinion, you have stated yours. I do not believe these children to be Prince's. You do. Super. Our positions are known. We disagree.

I have just two points:

1) It was Angel, then a teenager, not Cat who used the floral frame. And it is I who am pointing out the similarity to the Purple Rain album frame because I find it to be an interesting coincidence. It's just an observation, not an "indiscreet nod" of paternity.

2) Please don't misrepresent my words. I have not "decided" that the mysterious "he" to whom Cat referred was Prince commenting on Angel's green eyes and her beauty mark "on her left upper side of her face." I simply added that the discussion was about Prince (and, as noted earlier, The Black Album). And, yes, I do recall her 2013 comments. Verbatim. Notice the quotation marks, which I don't use randomly.

Lastly, we're all investing time in this topic, otherwise, we would not be responding repeatedly. And, I know: technically, that makes three points, but who's counting?

[Edited 11/21/17 20:27pm]

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

Lord he was older then Matye and as women and men get older complications can occur. I hope you are not arguing with science. You can read up on the type 2 syndrome that Ahmir had and see for yourself.

Jesus yeah he was older than Mayte, but you make it seem like he was 50 years old I don't think his age (38) was a problem, my teacher was at the same age and got healthy children.

Of course it isn't. Plenty of men have kids around that age, perfectly healthy ones. Even more so if the men are healthy, exercise and have a good diet, like it was the case with Prince.

MMJas said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Jesus yeah he was older than Mayte, but you make it seem like he was 50 years old I don't think his age (38) was a problem, my teacher was at the same age and got healthy children.

Of course it isn't. Plenty of men have kids around that age, perfectly healthy ones. Even more so if the men are healthy, exercise and have a good diet, like it was the case with Prince.

I am going to post this and if you want to argue with science. The older parents are the more likelyhood of problems. No one said that being older would automatically cause a birth defect. Please see the information below about Pfeiffer's syndrome. Both Prince and Mayte could have had issues or it could have been due to his advance age.

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Pfeiffer syndrome is what’s known as an autosomal dominant disorder, which means that either parent can pass the mutation onto their children. “But what is intriguing is that the mother or father may have very little symptoms and still carry the gene, while the baby is more severely affected,” says Dr. Cordero.

If one parent has Pfeiffer syndrome, there is a 50% chance that each child will be born with it. It can also be the result of a new mutation in which neither the mother nor the father is a carrier. According to the National Organization for... Disorders, new mutations are responsible for nearly all instances of Pfeiffer syndrome type 2 and type 3, and babies with older dads seem to be at increased risk of these random gene changes.

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laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

I am going to post this and if you want to argue with science. The older parents are the more likelyhood of problems. No one said that being older would automatically cause a birth defect. Please see the information below about Pfeiffer's syndrome. Both Prince and Mayte could have had issues or it could have been due to his advance age.

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Pfeiffer syndrome is what’s known as an autosomal dominant disorder, which means that either parent can pass the mutation onto their children. “But what is intriguing is that the mother or father may have very little symptoms and still carry the gene, while the baby is more severely affected,” says Dr. Cordero.

If one parent has Pfeiffer syndrome, there is a 50% chance that each child will be born with it. It can also be the result of a new mutation in which neither the mother nor the father is a carrier. According to the National Organization for... Disorders, new mutations are responsible for nearly all instances of Pfeiffer syndrome type 2 and type 3, and babies with older dads seem to be at increased risk of these random gene changes.

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YES!!! BUT 38 IS NOT CONSIDERED A RISKY AGE!! I DON'T ARGUE SCIENCE! OLDER PARENTS IS 50+ YEARS OLD!!!

Actually couples are cautioned that as they get older meaning over the age of 35 pregnacies can be risky. Do you have any children because I do and I know what I am speaking of. See below. Gene Mutations can happen when dads are over 35 years of age. Remember Prince's dad was over that age when he was born.

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https://www.menshealth.com/health/age-and-risks-of-fathering-a-child

But that doesn’t mean delaying fatherhood is risk-free.

Aging Means Problems On Your Sperm Production Line
Women are born with all the eggs they’ll ever need. Men, on the other hand, are literal sperm factories.

You make about 1,000 swimmers every time your heart beats, says University of Washington endocrinologist Bradley Anawalt, M.D., a spokesperson for the Endocrine Society.

Most never fertilize an egg—they’re either released through ejaculation or broken down by the body once they’re past their prime.

But after you hit about age 30, some of your machinery starts to misfire, says Ranjith Ramasamy, M.D., director of male reproductive medicine and surgery at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine.

You can blame exposure to things like radiation, environmental toxins, and plain old aging.

Related: 7 Signs Your Semen Is Hea...nd Strong

As you grow older and these factors pile up, you lose both Leydig cells—the cells in your testicles that make testosterone—and Sertoli cells, which support and nurture new sperm, Dr. Brannigan notes.

As a result, your body starts to churn out more defective sperm, which contain DNA mutations that could harm your babies-to-be.

The average 30-year-old dad passes on about 55 mutations to his offspring, according to a paper published in Nature. But each year you age increases that number by two, the authors found.

That means every 16.5 years, the number of mutations you pass along will double. And in 50 years—say, at age 80 instead of 30—you’d bequeath eight times as many DNA mutations.

So How Risky Is Delaying Fatherhood, Really?
Of course, not all these mutations cause health problems.

But some contribute to trouble conceiving or carrying a pregnancy to term, Dr. Ramasamy says.

For instance, one study from the U.K. found men age 35 and older had a 50 percent lower chance of conceiving after a year of trying than guys younger than 25 did.

Related: Everything You Ever Wante...ty For Men

Another study in the American Journal of Epidemiology found that women with partners age 35 and older were 27 percent more likely to experience a miscarriage than those with partners 25 or younger.

That link remains even after researchers factor in the effect of the mother’s age. This also boosts the chances of complications, since women’s eggs decline in number and quality over time.

Other mutations don’t affect conception or fetal development, but can cause birth defects, chromosomal abnormalities, or other genetic diseases in children, Dr. Ramasamy says.

In a Baylor College of Medicine review, the researchers crunched the numbers on 86 congenital problems linked to older fatherhood.

They concluded that the risk of having any of these issues increased from 1 in 50 among the general population to 1 in 42 among babies born to men age 40 and older.

Specifically, the risk of having a child with achondroplasia—a type of dwarfism—spikes from 1 in 15,000 to 1 in 1,923 once men reach age 50. And the risk of schizophrenia more than quadrupled, from 1 in 100 within the general population to 1 in 22 with fathers over 50.

What’s more, autism rates rise from 1 in 1,000 to 1 in 174 for kids whose dads had them after age 40.

Unfortunately, cancer rates among offspring also seem to rise too as their dads grow older, possibly because of some of the same DNA mutations that contribute to other conditions.

Related: The Top 10 Cancer Signs Y...dn’t Ign

For example, a woman’s lifetime risk of breast cancer typically stands at 1 in 8, but rises to 1 in 5.3 if her dad was 40 or older when she was born, according to the same Baylor review.

And childhood leukemia strikes 1 in 36,000 kids in the general population, but 1 in 21,302 of those with fathers age 40-plus.

What’s an Older Dad to Do?
The numbers seem scary, but it’s important to note that the majority of these older dads do father healthy children, says Dr. Brannigan.

In fact, it’s the mother’s age that plays an even bigger role on a baby’s health—that’s why women 35 and older receive more careful monitoring during pregnancy.

Doctors say there’s now an increasing recognition of dads’ contributions, but that there’s still more to learn.

It’s harder to study, because unlike moms, who are obviously present at birth, dads’ ages aren’t always recorded. So researchers don’t have as large a data set to pull from.

endiadj said:

luvsexy4all said:

..not with those f'ed up genes of his.....

Wow! Mayte is that you? So unnecessary.

Right. Probably a stan though since that is where that notion came from

laurarichardson said:

I am going to post this and if you want to argue with science. The older parents are the more likelyhood of problems. No one said that being older would automatically cause a birth defect. Please see the information below about Pfeiffer's syndrome. Both Prince and Mayte could have had issues or it could have been due to his advance age.

Glad you put this up laurarichardson because she has never had any other children either. It could have been either of them or neither of them. But since she adopted Gia, it seems like she wanted kids so...it's still an unanswered question in my mind.

Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

I am going to post this and if you want to argue with science. The older parents are the more likelyhood of problems. No one said that being older would automatically cause a birth defect. Please see the information below about Pfeiffer's syndrome. Both Prince and Mayte could have had issues or it could have been due to his advance age.

Glad you put this up laurarichardson because she has never had any other children either. It could have been either of them or neither of them. But since she adopted Gia, it seems like she wanted kids so...it's still an unanswered question in my mind.

Ever thought of that she was traumatized?? That could be a reason too. I don't think that many women would adobt rather than getting pregnant again.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Mumio said:

Glad you put this up laurarichardson because she has never had any other children either. It could have been either of them or neither of them. But since she adopted Gia, it seems like she wanted kids so...it's still an unanswered question in my mind.

Ever thought of that she was traumatized?? That could be a reason too. I don't think that many women would adobt rather than getting pregnant again.

Loads of women lose babies and try again. Some even use a surrogate or do in vitro.

Mayte went to see a fertility specialist on Real Housewives for some reason. Wonder why?

Go back and read what I posted.

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

Has anyone heard anything further about the missing second part of Cat's Gangstaville Radio interview?

FlyOnTheWall said:

MonaLiza said:

Cat's daughter is wearing contacts so we can stop there!

On what do you base this claim?

FlyOnTheWall said:

MonaLiza said:

Cat's daughter is wearing contacts so we can stop there!

On what do you base this claim?

Don't know how/why MonaLiza suggested the girl is wearing contacts.... however, being a contact wearer myself, I can tell you they cost same these days as regular contacts, so my eye color on any given day can range from greet, aqua, deep blue, etc. It's fun.

DD55 said:

MonaLiza said:

Cat's daughter is wearing contacts so we can stop there!

FlyOnTheWall said:

On what do you base this claim?

Don't know how/why MonaLiza suggested the girl is wearing contacts.... however, being a contact wearer myself, I can tell you they cost same these days as regular contacts, so my eye color on any given day can range from greet, aqua, deep blue, etc. It's fun.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with color contacts, but I'd bet good money that Angel does not wear them. I submit that it is wishful thinking...and curious...to suggest otherwise. Come to think of it, maybe P wore color contacts, too. That could explain why his eye color was so hard to pinpoint from day to day.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Come to think of it, maybe P wore color contacts, too. That could explain why his eye color was so hard to pinpoint from day to day.

I've wondered the same since we can see different colors in different pictures (or maybe it's just mad photoshop skillz ), yet the medical examiner noted brown eyes on the death report. Brown has my vote

Mumio said:

Mumio said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Come to think of it, maybe P wore color contacts, too. That could explain why his eye color was so hard to pinpoint from day to day.

I've wondered the same since we can see different colors in different pictures (or maybe it's just mad photoshop skillz ), yet the medical examiner noted brown eyes on the death report. Brown has my vote

I suppose his mother wore green/grey/hazel contacts, too. I saw the coroner's report, as well. I attributed that to the fact that his eyes were known to change colors. Lastly, if Prince wore color contacts, it is highly unlikely that he could have kept that a complete secret.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Mumio said:

I've wondered the same since we can see different colors in different pictures (or maybe it's just mad photoshop skillz ), yet the medical examiner noted brown eyes on the death report. Brown has my vote

Prince didn't have brown eye's, mayte, cat, sheila E, Eliza all have said that prince's eyes were hazel, hazel eye's is a brownish/ greenish color [Edited 11/27/17 20:20pm]

Thank you!! I think Vanity said the exact same thing.

FlyOnTheWall said:

dupe

[Edited 11/27/17 22:43pm]

Mumio said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I suppose his mother wore green/grey/hazel contacts, too. I saw the coroner's report, as well. I attributed that to the fact that his eyes were known to change colors. Lastly, if Prince wore color contacts, it is highly unlikely that he could have kept that a complete secret.

Oh, let me make sure I am understanding you correctly: you're saying the medical examiner was wrong. Is that correct?

And for the record, I am married to a man with hazel/green eyes and it's listed that way in medical records too so I am very much aware of how they look

[Edited 11/27/17 22:35pm]

Mumio said:

Mumio said:

Oh, let me make sure I am understanding you correctly: you're saying the medical examiner was wrong. Is that correct?

And for the record, I am married to a man with hazel/green eyes and it's listed that way in medical records too so I am very much aware of how they look

[Edited 11/27/17 22:35pm]

What I'm saying is that the medical examiner's report differs from MANY who knew him intimately. They have all said that his eyes were greenish brown. We're talking people who were with him for extended periods, over a span of YEARS. So, technically, his eyes WERE brown...ish. In other words, if it comes down to believing a medical examiner who examined his corpse momentarily or the "lying eyes" of his lovers, yes, I'm going with the "lying" eyewitnesses. Not to mention the fact that his mother's eyes were also green/grey/brown.

That said, let me be sure that I'm understanding you correctly: rather than consider even the POSSIBILITY that Prince fathered Cat Glover's child(ren), you, who claim to love him, would rather go down the scorched-earth path of posthumously questioning P's eye color. Is that right?

[Edited 11/28/17 5:11am]

FlyOnTheWall said:

Mumio said:

What I'm saying is that the medical examiner's report differs from MANY who knew him intimately. They have all said that his eyes were greenish brown. We're talking people who were with him for extended periods, over a span of YEARS. So, technically, his eyes WERE brown...ish. In other words, if it comes down to believing a medical examiner who examined his corpse momentarily or the "lying eyes" of his lovers, yes, I'm going with the "lying" eyewitnesses. Not to mention the fact that his mother's eyes were also green/grey/brown.

That said, let me be sure that I'm understanding you correctly: rather than consider even the POSSIBILITY that Prince fathered Cat Glover's child(ren), you, who claim to love him, would rather go down the scorched-earth path of posthumously questioning P's eye color. Is that right?

[Edited 11/28/17 5:11am]

Stop diverting Fly, you do this in every single obsessive thread you create Look, he even referred to his brown eyes in his music. I am going by what he himself said.

And re the child thing: no, I am not considering the possibility because I have no reason to believe that Prince would have ever DENIED a child of his the right to claim him as a father. All he said was that we'd never know FROM him. He never said he'd forbid nor stipulate that his child/children couldn't claim him.

[Edited 11/28/17 7:31am]

Mumio said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

What I'm saying is that the medical examiner's report differs from MANY who knew him intimately. They have all said that his eyes were greenish brown. We're talking people who were with him for extended periods, over a span of YEARS. So, technically, his eyes WERE brown...ish. In other words, if it comes down to believing a medical examiner who examined his corpse momentarily or the "lying eyes" of his lovers, yes, I'm going with the "lying" eyewitnesses. Not to mention the fact that his mother's eyes were also green/grey/brown.

That said, let me be sure that I'm understanding you correctly: rather than consider even the POSSIBILITY that Prince fathered Cat Glover's child(ren), you, who claim to love him, would rather go down the scorched-earth path of posthumously questioning P's eye color. Is that right?

[Edited 11/28/17 5:11am]

Stop diverting Fly, you do this in every single obsessive thread you create Look, he even referred to his brown eyes in his music. I am going by what he himself said.

And re the child thing: no, I am not considering the possibility because I have no reason to believe that Prince would have ever DENIED a child of his the right to claim him as a father. All he said was that we'd never know FROM him. He never said he'd forbid nor stipulate that his child/children couldn't claim him.

[Edited 11/28/17 7:31am]

I'm diverting??? BTW: I did not create this thread. And, some would argue that ALL of us who frequent the Org are "obsessive."

Lastly, was it not you who shared a report of Cat's Gangstaville Radio interview, including her mention of Capriccio Caesar, which has now been redacted? Thus, were you not the one who started us down this path with your questions?