laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Fucked up genes?

The syndrome type that Ahmir had is not inherited which I think Mayte was aware when she made her ignorant comments so stop parroting what she has said. Do you see her with any biological children?

Okay to be fair, if I was Mayte I would've adopt too, rather than getting pregnant again. I mean, she probably is traumatized.

Still doesn't mean that something was wrong with Prince's genes. But, wasn't manuela pregnant too? And didn't she lose the child? Or was this just a rumor? Because if she was and did lose it, it's likely that something was wrong either with his genes, or sperms.

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said: The syndrome type that Ahmir had is not inherited which I think Mayte was aware when she made her ignorant comments so stop parroting what she has said. Do you see her with any biological children?

Okay to be fair, if I was Mayte I would've adopt too, rather than getting pregnant again. I mean, she probably is traumatized.

Still doesn't mean that something was wrong with Prince's genes. But, wasn't manuela pregnant too? And didn't she lose the child? Or was this just a rumor? Because if she was and did lose it, it's likely that something was wrong either with his genes, or sperms.

I do not have a problem with her adopting but she has impled numerous times that their is nothing wrong with her despite having a second pregnacy that was a molar pregnacy.

https://www.webmd.com/baby/tc/molar-pregnancy-topic-overview#1

Both bad egg and sperm can cause this to happen, a previous miscarriage, and being old.

It is possible they both have issues. The story about M2 being pregnant was never confirmed.

Ahmir had Pfeiffer Syndrome 2 which is not always caused by genes. More in likely due to Prince being old.

Pfeiffer syndrome is what’s known as an autosomal dominant disorder, which means that either parent can pass the mutation onto their children. “But what is intriguing is that the mother or father may have very little symptoms and still carry the gene, while the baby is more severely affected,” says Dr. Cordero.

If one parent has Pfeiffer syndrome, there is a 50% chance that each child will be born with it. It can also be the result of a new mutation in which neither the mother nor the father is a carrier. According to the National Organization for... Disorders, new mutations are responsible for nearly all instances of Pfeiffer syndrome type 2 and type 3, and babies with older dads seem to be at increased risk of these random gene changes.

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I didn't say you had a problem with it. I just said because you said something about her not having biological children.

Yes, I know she said that nothing was wrong with her.

Okay, Prince wasn't too old to get kids. I mean, he was 38, right? Is that considered too old?

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Okay to be fair, if I was Mayte I would've adopt too, rather than getting pregnant again. I mean, she probably is traumatized.

Still doesn't mean that something was wrong with Prince's genes. But, wasn't manuela pregnant too? And didn't she lose the child? Or was this just a rumor? Because if she was and did lose it, it's likely that something was wrong either with his genes, or sperms.

I do not have a problem with her adopting but she has impled numerous times that their is nothing wrong with her despite having a second pregnacy that was a molar pregnacy.

https://www.webmd.com/baby/tc/molar-pregnancy-topic-overview#1

Both bad egg and sperm can cause this to happen, a previous miscarriage, and being old.

It is possible they both have issues. The story about M2 being pregnant was never confirmed.

Ahmir had Pfeiffer Syndrome 2 which is not always caused by genes. More in likely due to Prince being old.

Pfeiffer syndrome is what’s known as an autosomal dominant disorder, which means that either parent can pass the mutation onto their children. “But what is intriguing is that the mother or father may have very little symptoms and still carry the gene, while the baby is more severely affected,” says Dr. Cordero.

If one parent has Pfeiffer syndrome, there is a 50% chance that each child will be born with it. It can also be the result of a new mutation in which neither the mother nor the father is a carrier. According to the National Organization for... Disorders, new mutations are responsible for nearly all instances of Pfeiffer syndrome type 2 and type 3, and babies with older dads seem to be at increased risk of these random gene changes.

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endiadj said:

Mid to late 30's isn't even old, though. Then there's Mick Jagger having a healthy kid at 70.

Yap. I mean isn't so that men can make babys even if they're old without any risks? Or do they have the same risks as women?

laurarichardson said:

Is this still the Cat thread??

NotACleverName this post is fire! Especially the bolded part!

NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said:

How many times has it been explained that Prince could have had a settelment or trust for children that would never be involved with Probate. We the public would know nothing about it at all. We know the court received some documents from his divorce attorneys who if you look on their website also handle paternity matters. We will never know if he had kids unless they wish to come forward which they may not be able to do if publicty effects their trust. I am not sure what you mean by not probable. Unless he impotent or had a vasectomy he could have certainly could have fathered a child and we know one came into this world.

I don't particularly care how many times it has been explained that Prince MIGHT HAVE set up a trust for any children....as you penned, WE DON'T KNOW. We is generally used as a collective pronoun. That we also includes you. YOU do not know any more than any one else. You tend to think your opinion is fact. It is not. You are simply speculating. As I am, when I posted my opinion. Which I am allowed to have and post on this public forum. Obviously, I am aware Prince has fathered children. So, for those of you who decided to latch onto this unintended disclaimer that I am of the opinion that Prince did not father children, I will clarify. Prince did not father any children that lived beyond the age of one week old. Hope that clears it up. Here's the thing....if you want to believe CC and Angel are his children, knock yourself out. I don't really care as the revelation will not affect my life in any way. However, your incessant response to EVERYONE SINGLE COMMENT THAT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH YOUR OPINION is tiresome. You are toxic and negative and, for reasons unknown, have appointed yourself the official, foremost authority on any and all historical Prince content. The only time there is any courteous and productive dialogue with you is when another poster agrees with your opinion. Furthermore, you post your opinion all hours of the day and night and one can only presume that you have no other life than this forum. I can only feel sorry for you. Must be a sad environment in which you live that you have nothing, or no one, other than this internet site to occupy your time.

PennyPurple said:

Is this still the Cat thread??

Hi, Penny! My last comment, #539, was Cat-related.

ThatWhiteDude said:

You're welcome

NotACleverName said:

Thank you,TWD ThatWhiteDude said:

NotACleverName this post is fire! Especially the bolded part!

FlyOnTheWall said:

NotACleverName said:

cant believe the direction of this thread is still going on...

luvsexy4all said:

cant believe the direction of this thread is still going on...

Then stay off of it, if you don't like it.

truthskr said:

truthskr said:

NotACleverName said:

I don't particularly care how many times it has been explained that Prince MIGHT HAVE set up a trust for any children....as you penned, WE DON'T KNOW. We is generally used as a collective pronoun. That we also includes you. YOU do not know any more than any one else. You tend to think your opinion is fact. It is not. You are simply speculating. As I am, when I posted my opinion. Which I am allowed to have and post on this public forum. Obviously, I am aware Prince has fathered children. So, for those of you who decided to latch onto this unintended disclaimer that I am of the opinion that Prince did not father children, I will clarify. Prince did not father any children that lived beyond the age of one week old. Hope that clears it up. Here's the thing....if you want to believe CC and Angel are his children, knock yourself out. I don't really care as the revelation will not affect my life in any way. However, your incessant response to EVERYONE SINGLE COMMENT THAT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH YOUR OPINION is tiresome. You are toxic and negative and, for reasons unknown, have appointed yourself the official, foremost authority on any and all historical Prince content. The only time there is any courteous and productive dialogue with you is when another poster agrees with your opinion. Furthermore, you post your opinion all hours of the day and night and one can only presume that you have no other life than this forum. I can only feel sorry for you. Must be a sad environment in which you live that you have nothing, or no one, other than this internet site to occupy your time.

EXACTLY, Clever! We. Don't. Know. May never know. Unless/until Cat Glover decides she wants to outright declare that Prince IS the father of her child(ren), then everything is speculation on our parts and all opinions carry the same weight. If Cat does not choose to avail herself of the legal system, for whatever reason only she knows, then all we can do is make comparisons, draw conclusions, infer what he might not have meant in song lyrics, onstage looks & etc. In summary-- just like you stated: WE DON'T KNOW

That's exactly why discussion forums such as this exist: to make inferences and draw conclusions. Every one of us who participates here does this very thing...and we're fine with it...until a topic that we don't like hits the table. In such cases, some of us just ignore those forums and keep it moving. Others choose to engage in pitch battles until such threads are removed. Such is life on Prince.org.

NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said:

How many times has it been explained that Prince could have had a settelment or trust for children that would never be involved with Probate. We the public would know nothing about it at all. We know the court received some documents from his divorce attorneys who if you look on their website also handle paternity matters. We will never know if he had kids unless they wish to come forward which they may not be able to do if publicty effects their trust. I am not sure what you mean by not probable. Unless he impotent or had a vasectomy he could have certainly could have fathered a child and we know one came into this world.

I don't particularly care how many times it has been explained that Prince MIGHT HAVE set up a trust for any children....as you penned, WE DON'T KNOW. We is generally used as a collective pronoun. That we also includes you. YOU do not know any more than any one else. You tend to think your opinion is fact. It is not. You are simply speculating. As I am, when I posted my opinion. Which I am allowed to have and post on this public forum. Obviously, I am aware Prince has fathered children. So, for those of you who decided to latch onto this unintended disclaimer that I am of the opinion that Prince did not father children, I will clarify. Prince did not father any children that lived beyond the age of one week old. Hope that clears it up. Here's the thing....if you want to believe CC and Angel are his children, knock yourself out. I don't really care as the revelation will not affect my life in any way. However, your incessant response to EVERY SINGLE COMMENT THAT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH YOUR OPINION is tiresome. You are toxic and negative and, for reasons unknown, have appointed yourself the official, foremost authority on any and all historical Prince content. The only time there is any courteous and productive dialogue with you is when another poster agrees with your opinion. Furthermore, you post your opinion all hours of the day and night and one can only presume that you have no other life than this forum. I can only feel sorry for you. Must be a sad environment in which you live that you have nothing, or no one, other than this internet site to occupy your time.

[Edited 11/21/17 11:53am]

What is it like to be this clueless.

I don't particularly care how many times it has been explained that Prince MIGHT HAVE set up a trust for any children....as you penned, WE DON'T KNOW. We is generally used as a collective pronoun. That we also includes you. YOU do not know any more than any one else. You tend to think your opinion is fact. It is not. You are simply speculating. As I am, when I posted my opinion. Which I am allowed to have and post on this public forum.

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"I never said I knew anything for certain but when someone is deaf to facts it gets annoying. He could have had children and could have taken care of them. You will never know and I do not need to know but it sure is worrying you. I gave facts that a trust can be set up which you seem to not be aware of and if you did not care why are you commenting at all? "

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"Obviously, I am aware Prince has fathered children. So, for those of you who decided to latch onto this unintended disclaimer that I am of the opinion that Prince did not father children, I will clarify. Prince did not father any children that lived beyond the age of one week old. Hope that clears it up. "

Don't be mad at anyone for calling you out on your ridculous comment. You typed it deal with it and you do care or you would not have written in the first place.

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Here's the thing....if you want to believe CC and Angel are his children, knock yourself out. I don't really care as the revelation will not affect my life in any way. However, your incessant response to EVERY SINGLE COMMENT THAT DOESN'T ALIGN WITH YOUR OPINION is tiresome. You are toxic and negative and, for reasons unknown, have appointed yourself the official, foremost authority on any and all historical Prince content. The only time there is any courteous and productive dialogue with you is when another poster agrees with your opinion. Furthermore, you post your opinion all hours of the day and night and one can only presume that you have no other life than this forum. I can only feel sorry for you. Must be a sad environment in which you live that you have nothing, or no one, other than this internet site to occupy your time.

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Lord get a grip on reality. You care because you came to this topic. I will respond to whatever I want and the only reason you think anything is negative is because I brough up legal means to take care of children and not have the public aware of it and the fact that Prince did father a child.

Both of which are facts and not my opinion.

Stop hating the messenger because you do not like the message or do yourself a favor and stop worrying about how many times I post and how my life is so so sad. Do you have any idea of how that comes across?

RJOrion said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Good question. If I had to guess, based on a cursory examination of their social media, I'd say that it's possible there is a trust for the aspiring musician believed to be his son; however, I doubt it for the alleged daughter. It seems likely that he was aware of the boy from the beginning, but I think it might have been different with the younger child, Cat's daughter. He might have met her, though.

This is a bit off-topic with regard to your question, but I'm reminded of a comment that Cat volunteered out of the blue on her old Facebook in 2013. It was a post about someone playing "The Black Album" for her while she also participated in some four-hour-long interview, but she does not say directly that it was Prince.

She said, "he met my daughter!!" Angel, who supposedly "just popped up!!!! lol! ha!" during the interview. According to Cat, "he said he loved her green eyes!! and her beauty mark on her left upper side of her face." Again, she never said who "he" was.

At the time, Cat had a photo similar to this one of Angel, with the Purple Rain-like frame as her profile picture.

[Edited 11/20/17 22:01pm]

sheeeeit...if Prince didnt claim her, I'LL be her daddy ...she's a beautiful young lady...yes lawd..

She is lovely.

FlyOnTheWall said:

RJOrion said:

FlyOnTheWall said: sheeeeit...if Prince didnt claim her, I'LL be her daddy ...she's a beautiful young lady...yes lawd..

She is lovely.

She really looks cute

FlyOnTheWall said:

RJOrion said:

FlyOnTheWall said: sheeeeit...if Prince didnt claim her, I'LL be her daddy ...she's a beautiful young lady...yes lawd..

She is lovely.

And, for all we know, Prince might have privately claimed her.

FlyOnTheWall said:

NotACleverName said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

RJOrion said:

truthskr said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

That's exactly why discussion forums such as this exist: to make inferences and draw conclusions. Every one of us who participates here does this very thing...and we're fine with it...until a topic that we don't like hits the table. In such cases, some of us just ignore those forums and keep it moving. Others choose to engage in pitch battles until such threads are removed. Such is life on Prince.org.

Ok I said WE can only make comparisons & draw conclusions. You said that WE make comparisons & draw conclusions. Then we are on the same page, that opinions are all we have on this subject right now, right? The topic started out I thought about the radio interview behavior & then went to the theories of Prince possibly fathering her kids. It doesn't seem like most are opposed to the topic since its one of the most popular threads. I dont know about the pitch battles but most posters have been polite & articulate for the short while I've been posting Not sure If you meant your post to come across as "go away newbie bc you don't know how it goes around here" or not. Hopefully not.

No, I absolutely didn't mean "go away newbie bc you don't know how it goes around here." I'm considered a "newbie" around here, too. All I mean is that this is, by and large, an opinion forum. We ALL speculate, be it about Prince, his music, and/or his associates and/or their music.

NotACleverName said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Good question. If I had to guess, based on a cursory examination of their social media, I'd say that it's possible there is a trust for the aspiring musician believed to be his son; however, I doubt it for the alleged daughter. It seems likely that he was aware of the boy from the beginning, but I think it might have been different with the younger child, Cat's daughter. He might have met her, though. This is a bit off-topic with regard to your question, but I'm reminded of a comment that Cat volunteered out of the blue on her old Facebook in 2013. It was a post about someone playing "The Black Album" for her while she also participated in some four-hour-long interview, but she does not say directly that it was Prince. She said, "he met my daughter!!" Angel, who supposedly "just popped up!!!! lol! ha!" during the interview. According to Cat, "he said he loved her green eyes!! and her beauty mark on her left upper side of her face." Again, she never said who "he" was. At the time, Cat had a photo similar to this one of Angel, with the Purple Rain-like frame as her profile picture. [Edited 11/20/17 22:01pm]

How is this frame "Purple Rain like"? I'm racking my brain trying to associate these flowers/pattern/color palette to the movie. You asked me to identify what I found intriguing about this info a few replies ago.....1) the last name of Nelson 2) the musical connection (although, I have to clarify that CC is no where near the level of Prince) 3) it has been rumored that Evelyn is not the biological Mother 4) the MN connection and 5) ongoing speculation of a possible fifth child born to Cat. These points are easily discouted....1) Nelson is a common last name of MN residents (some research indicates it is the third most common) 2) CC is nowhere near as talented as Prince (this is very important as I feel with two parents in the musical arts as talented as Cat and Prince, he should be more skilled due to this interest having been nurtured early on) 3) CC resembles Evelyn more than a combo of Cat and Prince 4) refer to one and 5) this elusive fifth child has never been confirmed to exist, yet Cat continues to stoke the flames by posting coy speculation on FB.. I also want to state that I don't believe, after having an unplanned child (if, in fact CC is) with Cat, Prince would let this happen again. With what appeared to be his tendency to control all areas of his environment, there would have been no additional romantic liaisons with Cat that produced Angel. I simply don't feel he would have tolerated it. Further, why is Angel such a prominent part of Cat's life story but Jordan is not? Same father yet one is secluded, not claimed by the mother. That could cause some serious psychological issues for a child. Btw, what is Jordan's age?

With regard to your five points, here are my responses.

1. Okay. Nelson is THAT common a name in MN. Okay. BTW: What is the "MN connection" to which you refer?

2. I don't know if you're serious or not, but how many musical superstars do we know of who have children who are just as talented as they?

3. You make no mention of CC's (and Angel's) rare eye color.

4. Referring back to #1: Okay. Nelson is such a common name in MN.

5. So, you think that Cat would make up a 5th child? Do you also think her daughter Amber was being "coy" when she referred to "my brother Jordan" on Facebook?

6. I'm not sure of Jordan's age, but I believe he was born in 1990 or 1991, which would make him around 26 or 27.

7. There is one point, however, on which we can agree: I just don't understand how Prince would let this happen twice, but I'll be damned if Angel doesn't have eyes like him and his mother.

Remember, less than two percent of the entire world population has green eyes. Less than two percent...of the entire world population. And, Cat just happens to have a daughter with green eyes, after being involved with Prince, who has green eyes. I tell you, the moment I laid eyes on a photo of Angel, I was convinced that this child was somehow Prince's. And, I don't think Cat was just being "coy" with these Facebook comments: "he said he loved her green eyes!! and her beauty mark on her left upper side of her face." Of course, this was said during a discussion about (who else?) Prince.

Lastly, perhaps it's just me, but I find the floral pattern frame Angel uses similar to that one used on the Purple Rain album/CD cover.

[Edited 11/21/17 18:11pm]

endiadj said:

Mid to late 30's isn't even old, though. Then there's Mick Jagger having a healthy kid at 70.

Lord he was older then Matye and as women and men get older complications can occur. I hope you are not arguing with science. You can read up on the type 2 syndrome that Ahmir had and see for yourself.

RJOrion said:

what is her name?...

Her name is Angel.