I mean on the Welcome 2 tours she wasn't just performing on 1 or 2 songs upfront. She upfront with Prince as upfront as anyone could be on the 0+> symbol stage

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Well of course it didn't start out with insecurity. But it developed. The Time was getting better reviews than Prince in a lot of cities on the Controversy tour.

His line has always been they are the only band he was afraid of. Time members said he had no reason to feel that way about them. But there is the fact he hid them behind a curtain and then finally removed them from the tour(only to play behind Vanity 6) on the end leg of the 1999 tour.

...and why he wouldn't let them open for him on the Welcome 2 Australia tour...

purplerabbithole said:

I have seen clips of his interplay with Sheila. It was great. I have watched SOTT and read online tweets complimenting the hell out of this woman's drumming . He totally let her shine in SOTT and Lovesexy. But Prince is still why you go to a Prince concert. If he was insecure about their talents, then I feel sorry for him. But how insecure could he really be if he let these talented folks on stage with him in the first place.

As for the Time, they are RandB and funk and they were great live performers offering the stuff that certain audiences prefer (over rock etc) so I can understand the intimidation a little bit. But really, Prince was a monster on stage and sex on two little feet. His fans came to see him. Maybe I only see things from mine own eyes but if I went to those concerts, I would mostly focus on the Prince himself. In all the concerts, I have seen online, that has been the case. If Prince wasn't getting all the attention from the male audience members, he was certainly getting it from the females.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I like Bud

Oh yeah it was the speculation among fans as the 'events' proceeded

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The 2 links are tricky to follow? What do you mean?
I mean those two org links I provided. 1 longer 5pgs 1 short 1pg

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I don't know...

Why did Prince hide the Time behind a curtain while backing up Vanity 6?
Why did he remove the Time totally from the 1999 tour?

Why did he not have the Time open for him for the Welcome 2 Australia tour?

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But when Sheila E joined him on the Welcome 2 tour she joined as a full time musician. Unlike the others. Have you seen any clips or shows. There was a lot of interplay between the two.

How do you know she is not keeping those letters from P out of friendship and respect?? I am not judging others for selling his stuff (not Susannah anyhow). Really, its not about whether you sell his stuff, its about how you sell his stuff...(Susannah did it respectfully, others have not in my opinion.) But I am not going to assume that Sheila is some victim of her romantic love for P. People choose to honor people in different ways. She chose to keep his stuff rather than sell it. (if she is telling the truth, I am not hating on her here but she knows how to play the media..) She said she went through a lifetime with P. She has had the time to realize that friendship was the best they could get. That doesn't mean she is crippled by what could have been because she happened to keep old love letters. She kept something that exemplified him at his sweetest. A person can have complicated feelings about a person without being stagnated or unhealthily obsessed. She probaby has a healthier feeling about P than us fans sometimes do...LOL. Other than a mysterious love life (which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with P breaking her heart in 1987--it could be family history or complicated sexual orientation...who knows..), she seems like a healthy person.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said: She never said the love was not returned. He returned it but she knew he was into polyamourous relationships from the begining. He cared about because she discussed his jealousy when she was in Krush Groove with Blair Underwood.

unrequited means the love she wanted was not returned. After 89, it was clear Prince moved on.

She wanted marriage with Prince, he wanted friendship. Both require love but she wanted Eros/Pragma(sexual passion/commitment(marriage/union) He wanted Phileo(deep friendship non Eros)

reply #8

Laurarichardson said: I think she believed she was going to be MrsNelson and I'm not sure is ever going to get over it

http://prince.org/msg/5/441894/

She was a beloved member of his band who got more focus than say John blackwell did but Prince was still the draw. Her appearance probably made it more special for longterm Prince fans so maybe they wanted to see that particular show a bit more because of her involvement. But once again, he was the draw.

I watched most of that 2011 concert on youtube (different portions from various shows on that tour). The second P decided to step on top of his piano and sing the Beautiful Ones, or do his 2 minute dance solos at the end "Kiss" or play his guitar, the audience was putty in his hands. Hell I was putty in his hands. Sheila is a bad ass on drums, has a pretty albeit soft voice and can dance. Her song collaborations will P were fun to hear live. But she is still no Prince. But that moment in Lovesexy concert footage during the Cross when Sheila lays into his her drums with that intense look on her face...Good god, that's passion. But P's passion during the same song is off the charts. That Cross/I wish you heaven performance in LoveSexy almost made me believe in organized religion.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I mean on the Welcome 2 tours she wasn't just performing on 1 or 2 songs upfront. She upfront with Prince as upfront as anyone could be on the 0+> symbol stage

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Well of course it didn't start out with insecurity. But it developed. The Time was getting better reviews than Prince in a lot of cities on the Controversy tour.

His line has always been they are the only band he was afraid of. Time members said he had no reason to feel that way about them. But there is the fact he hid them behind a curtain and then finally removed them from the tour(only to play behind Vanity 6) on the end leg of the 1999 tour.

...and why he wouldn't let them open for him on the Welcome 2 Australia tour...

purplerabbithole said:

I have seen clips of his interplay with Sheila. It was great. I have watched SOTT and read online tweets complimenting the hell out of this woman's drumming . He totally let her shine in SOTT and Lovesexy. But Prince is still why you go to a Prince concert. If he was insecure about their talents, then I feel sorry for him. But how insecure could he really be if he let these talented folks on stage with him in the first place.

As for the Time, they are RandB and funk and they were great live performers offering the stuff that certain audiences prefer (over rock etc) so I can understand the intimidation a little bit. But really, Prince was a monster on stage and sex on two little feet. His fans came to see him. Maybe I only see things from mine own eyes but if I went to those concerts, I would mostly focus on the Prince himself. In all the concerts, I have seen online, that has been the case. If Prince wasn't getting all the attention from the male audience members, he was certainly getting it from the females.

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purplerabbithole said:

Ahhh fresh air!!!!! Thanks for stating that so well purplerabbit.

If they were letters abour romantic love then they are not about friendship.
I'm just saying people pushing how much they loved each other is not looking at it reasonably.
She was IN LOVE with Prince, and I suspect, in 2015 if Prince would have asked to marry her she just might.
I'm not talking about anyone selling anything.
But some of these young fans pushing this 'faithfulness love dream' is not balanced.
Sheila E said before she wrote her book she started dealing with the sexual abuse she went through. And that was around the 2011 period and happened to be during/after her fall out with Prince.

I would have loved for Sheila E to have had a wonderful relationship with someone/marriage if she wanted.

But if someone never deals with certain issues as traumatic as Sexual Abuse they usually are not able to have balanced healthy relationships with men/women.
So no I'm not saying she was a victim of her romantic love for Prince, but it was a symptom of issues left undealt with.

purplerabbithole said:

How do you know she is not keeping those letters from P out of friendship and respect?? I am not judging others for selling his stuff (not Susannah anyhow). Really, its not about whether you sell his stuff, its about how you sell his stuff...(Susannah did it respectfully, others have not in my opinion.) But I am not going to assume that Sheila is some victim of her romantic love for P. People choose to honor people in different ways. She chose to keep his stuff rather than sell it. (if she is telling the truth, I am not hating on her here but she knows how to play the media..) She said she went through a lifetime with P. She has had the time to realize that friendship was the best they could get. That doesn't mean she is crippled by what could have been because she happened to keep old love letters. She kept something that exemplified him at his sweetest. A person can have complicated feelings about a person without being stagnated or unhealthily obsessed. She probaby has a healthier feeling about P than us fans sometimes do...LOL. Other than a mysterious love life (which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with P breaking her heart in 1987--it could be family history or complicated sexual orientation...who knows..), she seems like a healthy person.

OldFriends4Sale said:

unrequited means the love she wanted was not returned. After 89, it was clear Prince moved on.

She wanted marriage with Prince, he wanted friendship. Both require love but she wanted Eros/Pragma(sexual passion/commitment(marriage/union) He wanted Phileo(deep friendship non Eros)

reply #8

Laurarichardson said: I think she believed she was going to be MrsNelson and I'm not sure is ever going to get over it

http://prince.org/msg/5/441894/

Purplerabbithole, I'm not saying she was the draw. I'm saying that people were excited to see Sheila E perform with Prince, on a higher level than others in the band.

purplerabbithole said:

She was a beloved member of his band who got more focus than say John blackwell did but Prince was still the draw. Her appearance probably made it more special for longterm Prince fans so maybe they wanted to see that particular show a bit more because of her involvement. But once again, he was the draw.

I watched most of that 2011 concert on youtube (different portions from various shows on that tour). The second P decided to step on top of his piano and sing the Beautiful Ones, or do his 2 minute dance solos at the end "Kiss" or play his guitar, the audience was putty in his hands. Hell I was putty in his hands. Sheila is a bad ass on drums, has a pretty albeit soft voice and can dance. Her song collaborations will P were fun to hear live. But she is still no Prince. But that moment in Lovesexy concert footage during the Cross when Sheila lays into his her drums with that intense look on her face...Good god, that's passion. But P's passion during the same song is off the charts. That Cross performance in LoveSexy almost made me believe in organized religion.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I mean on the Welcome 2 tours she wasn't just performing on 1 or 2 songs upfront. She upfront with Prince as upfront as anyone could be on the 0+> symbol stage

.

Well of course it didn't start out with insecurity. But it developed. The Time was getting better reviews than Prince in a lot of cities on the Controversy tour.

His line has always been they are the only band he was afraid of. Time members said he had no reason to feel that way about them. But there is the fact he hid them behind a curtain and then finally removed them from the tour(only to play behind Vanity 6) on the end leg of the 1999 tour.

...and why he wouldn't let them open for him on the Welcome 2 Australia tour...

purplefam99 said:

purplerabbithole said:

How do you know she is not keeping those letters from P out of friendship and respect?? I am not judging others for selling his stuff (not Susannah anyhow). Really, its not about whether you sell his stuff, its about how you sell his stuff...(Susannah did it respectfully, others have not in my opinion.) But I am not going to assume that Sheila is some victim of her romantic love for P. People choose to honor people in different ways. She chose to keep his stuff rather than sell it. (if she is telling the truth, I am not hating on her here but she knows how to play the media..) She said she went through a lifetime with P. She has had the time to realize that friendship was the best they could get. That doesn't mean she is crippled by what could have been because she happened to keep old love letters. She kept something that exemplified him at his sweetest. A person can have complicated feelings about a person without being stagnated or unhealthily obsessed. She probaby has a healthier feeling about P than us fans sometimes do...LOL. Other than a mysterious love life (which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with P breaking her heart in 1987--it could be family history or complicated sexual orientation...who knows..), she seems like a healthy person.

Ahhh fresh air!!!!! Thanks for stating that so well purplerabbit.

LOL you love romance and dreams don't you.

Out of respect, I hope you are young, when you still have your whole life ahead of you.

Those kinds of dreams are not good when someone is in their 40s and 50s

Life is too short to dream away love in unrealistic terms

and too many people enter relationships that are not good for them with those romantic dreams.

Fairytale romances don't tend to go the distance.

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Did Prince marry Sheila E? No

Did he marry? Yes twice Mayte and Manuella

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Vanity nor Sheila E were going to get 'wholeness' with Prince.
They were not going to get the marriage many dream about.

No doubt.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Purplerabbithole, I'm not saying she was the draw. I'm saying that people were excited to see Sheila E perform with Prince, on a higher level than others in the band.

purplerabbithole said:

She was a beloved member of his band who got more focus than say John blackwell did but Prince was still the draw. Her appearance probably made it more special for longterm Prince fans so maybe they wanted to see that particular show a bit more because of her involvement. But once again, he was the draw.

I watched most of that 2011 concert on youtube (different portions from various shows on that tour). The second P decided to step on top of his piano and sing the Beautiful Ones, or do his 2 minute dance solos at the end "Kiss" or play his guitar, the audience was putty in his hands. Hell I was putty in his hands. Sheila is a bad ass on drums, has a pretty albeit soft voice and can dance. Her song collaborations will P were fun to hear live. But she is still no Prince. But that moment in Lovesexy concert footage during the Cross when Sheila lays into his her drums with that intense look on her face...Good god, that's passion. But P's passion during the same song is off the charts. That Cross performance in LoveSexy almost made me believe in organized religion.

PaisleyPrint said:

Yep like I said a "few I'm guessing" went on to marry. My point was and your I think too, that if regular Hollywood relationships don't yield successful marriages/relationships, I'm not sure one would have a successful relationship
Post prince encounter.

We simply don't know what is going on with Sheila's love life. She might be bisexual or extremely private about her relationships. People don't include every detail in their biographies. they protect others' privacies and hold back. But she is a fully functioning hard working musician with family and friends in her life (judging by her facebook page) . She is not pining over Prince to the degree that she is stagnated. She is not living entirely off his legacy or bitter . . In fact, when he died, she was one of the first people to get out there and build his legacy and promoted herself while doing it. She stood up to him in 2011. She has a complicated history with the man but that doesn't mean she can't keep moving. She might have kept some love letters but up to this year, Susannah kept leg warmers. I am not judging either women for keeping his stuff and I am not assuming the worst.

What if Sheila is bisexual or gay like the rumors imply and Prince just happened to be the only man she ever loved. Lesbians do have athing for Prince apparently...LOL. If this were true for Sheila, then she is closeted and that is something she needed to work out. Or maybe her sentiments are are entirely sincere about P, but she is letting us know about them for publicity reasons but keeping other personal relationships to herself because it serves no purpose to bring people who are not public figures into the lime light. P is a public figure. People are going to talk about him no matter what. Its part of the life he and Sheila chose. But any other partners (gay or straight) might not want attention at all.

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplefam99 said:

purplerabbithole said: Ahhh fresh air!!!!! Thanks for stating that so well purplerabbit.

LOL your love romance and dreams don't you.

Out of respect, I hope you are young, when you still have your whole life ahead of you.

Those kinds of dreams are not good when someone is in their 40s and 50s

Life is too short to dream away love in unrealistic terms

and too many people enter relationships that are not good for them with those romantic dreams.

Fairytale romances don't tend to go the distance.

Did Prince marry Sheila E? No

Did he marry? Yes twice Mayte and Manuella

Vashtix said:

No I'm not in the "poor prince" love camp. I did not mean to come off as that for sure!!! Just saying they ran at a substainable temp. Super hot is not substainable to me. I think they had warm solid love. I betting in all relationships one member is always more in love than the other not by huge amounts
But certainly not at the same level always. I think looking at the totality of their relationship it resembled at marriage partnership the most of all his unions. The two marriages were not to me ever on equal footing because they weren't successful on par with him, in their own right. Shelia was. And the age difference played a role in the equality and relating and aging aspect of their unions.

I am in the "poor Prince" love camp. I mean, to some degree, I am. A long sustainable relationship is always preferrable to hot/cold short relationships. I am not saying his life was complete misery but I do feel some pity for him when it comes to being able to feel comfortable with full long-term intimacy. Its possible that Sheila was the closest he came to getting it. Sadly, even with those two, there were years at which they didn't seem to be talking.

Laura ain't going to be happy with me for saying that. I don't think it diminishes Prince's manhood to say that he had vulnerability. Men are human and have vulnerability--especially male artists.. Its their vulnerability (yet their ability to keep functioning and conquering worlds) that I admire. The balance between strength and vulnerability is often hard to obtain however.

"I would have loved for Sheila E to have had a wonderful relationship with someone/marriage if she wanted."

You have absolutly no idea about that women's life

OldFriends4Sale said:

If they were letters abour romantic love then they are not about friendship.
I'm just saying people pushing how much they loved each other is not looking at it reasonably.
She was IN LOVE with Prince, and I suspect, in 2015 if Prince would have asked to marry her she just might.
I'm not talking about anyone selling anything.
But some of these young fans pushing this 'faithfulness love dream' is not balanced.
Sheila E said before she wrote her book she started dealing with the sexual abuse she went through. And that was around the 2011 period and happened to be during/after her fall out with Prince.

I would have loved for Sheila E to have had a wonderful relationship with someone/marriage if she wanted.

But if someone never deals with certain issues as traumatic as Sexual Abuse they usually are not able to have balanced healthy relationships with men/women.
So no I'm not saying she was a victim of her romantic love for Prince, but it was a symptom of issues left undealt with.

purplerabbithole said:

How do you know she is not keeping those letters from P out of friendship and respect?? I am not judging others for selling his stuff (not Susannah anyhow). Really, its not about whether you sell his stuff, its about how you sell his stuff...(Susannah did it respectfully, others have not in my opinion.) But I am not going to assume that Sheila is some victim of her romantic love for P. People choose to honor people in different ways. She chose to keep his stuff rather than sell it. (if she is telling the truth, I am not hating on her here but she knows how to play the media..) She said she went through a lifetime with P. She has had the time to realize that friendship was the best they could get. That doesn't mean she is crippled by what could have been because she happened to keep old love letters. She kept something that exemplified him at his sweetest. A person can have complicated feelings about a person without being stagnated or unhealthily obsessed. She probaby has a healthier feeling about P than us fans sometimes do...LOL. Other than a mysterious love life (which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with P breaking her heart in 1987--it could be family history or complicated sexual orientation...who knows..), she seems like a healthy person.

Men are vulnerable because they are human but a lot of them could care less. I do not feel pity for Prince because I believe he was an intelligent man who knew exactly what he was doing. As women we have to get it into our heads that some men are happy to be ignorant about real viable relationship.

Relationship requrie work and I lot of guys are just too lazy to put the work in even when they know they are going to end up old and alone or with some dingbat 20 something on their arm.

They do not care. I just think if he cared he would have tried to keep at least one of those marriages together or just married Sheila E. I hate saying this but I really think she would have been his ride or die chick would stayed within no matter what but that is not what he wanted.

purplerabbithole said:

I am in the "poor Prince" love camp. I mean, to some degree, I am. A long sustainable relationship is always preferrable to hot/cold short relationships. I am not saying his life was complete misery but I do feel some pity for him when it comes to being able to feel comfortable with full long-term intimacy. Its possible that Sheila was the closest he came to getting it. Sadly, even with those two, there were years at which they didn't seem to be talking.

Laura ain't going to be happy with me for saying that. I don't think it diminishes Prince's manhood to say that he had vulnerability. Men are human and have vulnerability--especially male artists.. Its their vulnerability (yet their ability to keep functioning and conquering worlds) that I admire. The balance between strength and vulnerability is often hard to obtain however.

purplerabbithole said:

Of course I'm not heartless I can give him some "poor baby"
But not too thick.

Gosh I say there is nothing wrong with feeling you have loved
Great and unless something comes along that knocks your socks off,
Feeling fine with the single glamours life . Her post prince life
Seems fantastic to me!!! Maybe just how she wanted it. Certainly seems
What she chose.

Nor do you, but I know she isn't married. That I know.

laurarichardson said:

"I would have loved for Sheila E to have had a wonderful relationship with someone/marriage if she wanted."

You have absolutly no idea about that women's life

OldFriends4Sale said:

If they were letters abour romantic love then they are not about friendship.
I'm just saying people pushing how much they loved each other is not looking at it reasonably.
She was IN LOVE with Prince, and I suspect, in 2015 if Prince would have asked to marry her she just might.
I'm not talking about anyone selling anything.
But some of these young fans pushing this 'faithfulness love dream' is not balanced.
Sheila E said before she wrote her book she started dealing with the sexual abuse she went through. And that was around the 2011 period and happened to be during/after her fall out with Prince.

I would have loved for Sheila E to have had a wonderful relationship with someone/marriage if she wanted.

But if someone never deals with certain issues as traumatic as Sexual Abuse they usually are not able to have balanced healthy relationships with men/women.
So no I'm not saying she was a victim of her romantic love for Prince, but it was a symptom of issues left undealt with.

laurarichardson said:

Yes Laura I do feel like he didn't want to do the work or close the candy shop.
All that loneliness he was fond of singing about I quess wanted that as his material. So so be it. He was hard headed, couldn't be told a thing for his own good!!! And I love him but look where we are.

So people cannot have wonderful relationships unless they are married? Is that what you are implying? Notice the question mark.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Nor do you, but I know she isn't married. That I know.

laurarichardson said:

"I would have loved for Sheila E to have had a wonderful relationship with someone/marriage if she wanted."

You have absolutly no idea about that women's life

Being hard-headed and intelligent doesnt mean a man doens't get lonely. If he had abandonment issues like Leeds says (a man, not a sympathetic woman, said this), then Prince was going to struggle with the intimacy and the hard work needed to keep a marriage going. Prince was the opposite of lazy so I doubt he didn't want to "work" at anything. But, no one likes to put that kind of work into relationships and show his/her softer side for it to collapse and be unsustainable (or worse to be left) . We all have our bad habits and crutches--Prince is no different.. The reality (I believe) is that Prince struggled with long term relationships with both genders and was likely an insecure man who felt he could only totally rely on himself and his music. Most people who knew him said this. I don't know--maybe I am projecting a bit. But I know from when I suffered from shyness, it was much easier to communicate and build short relationships with people in controlled settings...work, school etc. But the problem is that when work or school ended, I didn't always know how to extend those bonds past that controlled setting--I got really insecure and didn't want to find out that they had thought I was too pushy or only liked me because we were working together. . Prince's relationships were based on certain conditions..they revolved around music and he needed to control what went down. SOme of that control could be attributed to a degree of narcissism but alot of it could be attributed to a need for stability. Long term relationships are harder to sustain than using one's rock status and talent to entice others. And what happens when you give control to others and they leave you...this is unbearable for some. Prince's relationships seem like Catch 22's to me. The only way he seemed to know how to have these relationships was to make them revolve around music and work. He almost bought his girlfriends in a way (I am not saying its prostitution or that the women didn't have genuine feelings for him or visa versa, but favors were traded in a way--whether any of them want to admit it or not). NOw, this indicates to me a man insecure in his ability to just win someone based on his own personal merit. Now the problem with setting up relationships like this is that deep down Prince had to know that people were at least a little bit using him so he would eventually break it off when he suspected that either they were indeed using him in a blatant unfeeling way or they were wanting relationships that forced him to stop his bad habits. At times, I think he really tried to get past his relationship hangups and delude himself by over-romanticizing the situations, by dating younger women while he was able to convince himself that their purity and innocence would mean that they could be molded to fit the lifestyle he was stuck in and that they would just be happy with the good life. Obviously, that was a mistake as well. I think eventually he just reconciled himself to the fact that flirtation with young women, mentorship and friendship for most of these women was the best thing to do. With Andy, I think he was so in awe of her that he did try for a little way until old habits crept back in. That is why I don't believe that all his latter day, proteges were also his girlfriends. I think they probably thought he was too old anyway.

I also think P might have justified his lack of faithfulness or his short term relationships by sending them off with the beginnings of some kind of career.

As for Sheila, her ambition might have both attracted him and repelled him. Prince was a Catch 22.

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

Men are vulnerable because they are human but a lot of them could care less. I do not feel pity for Prince because I believe he was an intelligent man who knew exactly what he was doing. As women we have to get it into our heads that some men are happy to be ignorant about real viable relationship.

Relationship requrie work and I lot of guys are just too lazy to put the work in even when they know they are going to end up old and alone or with some dingbat 20 something on their arm.

They do not care. I just think if he cared he would have tried to keep at least one of those marriages together or just married Sheila E. I hate saying this but I really think she would have been his ride or die chick would stayed within no matter what but that is not what he wanted.

Yes Laura I do feel like he didn't want to do the work or close the candy shop. All that loneliness he was fond of singing about I quess wanted that as his material. So so be it. He was hard headed, couldn't be told a thing for his own good!!! And I love him but look where we are.

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Of course. I have at least 2 a year.

But again, I do know she isn't married.

laurarichardson said:

So people cannot have wonderful relationships unless they are married? Is that what you are implying? Notice the question mark.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Nor do you, but I know she isn't married. That I know.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Of course. I have at least 2 a year.

But again, I do know she isn't married.

laurarichardson said:

So people cannot have wonderful relationships unless they are married? Is that what you are implying? Notice the question mark.

I am sure Miss E has had wonderful relationships without being married. You not knowing about those relationships has no bearing on anything.

OldFriends4Sale said:

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More excuses. He was a brother who grew up in a house with a pimp and a player father. He wanted to be a player right to the end. I just do not buy into the excuses he knew exactly what he was doing living that player/pimp life.

said:

Pimps and players, really? That's postering. Real pimps are abusive as hell. Andre was in that same household. Isn't he married and living a stable life??? Plus, P struggled with long term male relationships as well--so how can that be attributed to just pimps will be pimps. . Pimp and player would be a nice cover for someone with abandonment issues. Players are people too...LOL. They have issues too...LOL. P's daddy might have had a lot of his own issues.

laurarichardson said:

More excuses. He was a brother who grew up in a house with a pimp and a player father. He wanted to be a player right to the end. I just do not buy into the excuses he knew exactly what he was doing living that player/pimp life. said:

Being hard-headed and intelligent doesnt mean a man doens't get lonely. If he had abandonment issues like Leeds says (a man, not a sympathetic woman said this), then Prince was going to struggle with the intimacy and hard work needed to keep a marriage going. No one likes to put that kind of work into relationships and show their softer side for it to collapse and be unsustainable. We all have our bad habits and crutches--Prince is no different.. The reality is that Prince struggled with long term relationships with both genders and was obviously an insecure man who felt he could only totally rely on himself and his music. Most people who knew him said this.

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What is this obsession you and a few others have with the idea that because people are married they have a stable life. People can be married and still have all kinds of drama. Have you listened to some of the interviews that Andre has done. He has said he brother Eddie was a pimp and his other brother Fred spent time in jail. He said he might have found himself in jail if he did not have music because he was always stealing stuff, hot wiring cars and getting into trouble. He also said Prince got a real education in the Anderson house hold. Do you get his drift? Did you read the T.C.Ellis interview about pimps and hustlers who retire to Minneapolis and how they all grew up around that vibe.
Having a pimp attitude toward women does not mean Prince was beating anyone it has more to do with the idea that it is okay to juggle multiple women and he did do this crap his whole life. No way you cannot realize that environment plays a hugh role in how young men treat women.

I also had a co-worker about five years ago who has family on the Northside and she told me about the pimp culture in that city.
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laurarichardson said:

What is this obsession you and a few others have with the idea that because people are married they have a stable life. People can be married and still have all kinds of drama. Have you listened to some of the interviews that Andre has done. He has said he brother Eddie was a pimp and his other brother Fred spent time in jail. He said he might have found himself in jail if he did not have music because he was always stealing stuff, hot wiring cars and getting into trouble. He also said Prince got a real education in the Anderson house hold. Do you get his drift? Did you read the T.C.Ellis interview about pimps and hustlers who retire to Minneapolis and how they all grew up around that vibe. Having a pimp attitude toward women does not mean Prince was beating anyone it has more to do with the idea that it is okay to juggle multiple women and he did do this crap his whole life. No way you cannot realize that environment plays a hugh role in how young men treat women. I also had a co-worker about five years ago who has family on the Northside and she told me about the pimp culture in that city. -- said:

Pimps and players, really? That's postering. Real pimps are abusive as hell. Andre was in that same household. Isn't he married and living a stable life??? Plus, P struggled with long term male relationships as well--so how can that be attributed to just pimps will be pimps. . Pimp and player would be a nice cover for someone with abandonment issues. Players are people too...LOL. They have issues too...LOL. P's daddy might have had a lot of his own issues.

Ain't that the truth I just was reading up on Loretta Lynn, married 48 years. There was on-going domestic violence, alcoholism, adultry but they stayed together.

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

When I say marriage, i see all the components that it takes to make one in their relationship. Not a perfect marriage, just a union between two people. That had Chemistry, work/intellectual challenge, friendship, discord and reconciliation. That they were able to work together again and seemingly well on stage after their History speaks to me of what is the bread and butter of a marriage. the possibility/reality of more chemistry with another partner is always a factor and Perhaps he and or she did. But I just think that they ran at a temp that was realistic And substainable. Yes they did fall out again, but they had a good run at their reconciliation. Yes I'm sure there are other ladies that have their keepsakes too. LR cracks me up thinking those leg warmers are nasty. But they are one item I know if I had I couldn't part with. They are beautiful all worn and torn.

--I am anti-horder to the core. You can preserve paper items but old clothes especially socks/leg warmers can get nasty over time. Those shits were ripped and Prince usually had them pulled up to his private area. I am sorry those were items for the trash can. I get creepy hoarder vibes from Suzi Q.

so funny you lumped them with socks, now of course they seem stinky!! well anyway i still would

want them, can't understand her getting rid of them. this might gross you out, but i love Prince

all unkempt during that period. You know, unshowered looking. i bet he stunk good. ha!!! to much info??? he was to

clean later too sterile. anyway it is good not to horde, but your view on the leg warmers always makes me laugh.

whaaatteveeer

I hope she did though, but again she admitted right before the book that she was dealing with the trauma of the sexual abuse and that can put a monkey wrench in any relationship

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I tend to fall in love many times each season too. I just don't try to make anything of it and move on.

laurarichardson said:

I am sure Miss E has had wonderful relationships without being married. You not knowing about those relationships has no bearing on anything. OldFriends4Sale said:

Of course. I have at least 2 a year.

But again, I do know she isn't married.

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purplerabbithole said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Of course. I have at least 2 a year.

But again, I do know she isn't married.

the Love Boat soon we'll be making another run...