rogifan said:

I wish people would stop with this gravy train BS. Because that’s what it is, BS. There’s no way the Revolution or NPG are making serious money off these concerts they’re doing. Same with Sheila E. I’m not crazy about her putting his love symbol on everything but I don’t think she’s doing it to ride some gravy train.

Was the Revolution or NPG working as a touring band before Prince passed? Are there shows free?

You know the answer to these questions. More importantly you have people like Tommy Barbarella that shaded Prince bad when he was alive and well. How does it look to trash talk someone when they were alive and be boo hooing as soon as they are gone?

I have more respect for people like Jimmy Jam who had his issues with Prince and as a result you do not see him constantly running off a the mouth about Prince almost a year and a half later.

You can see this a lot in Prince' s childhood friends who despite whatever problems they had are not milking his death.

The respect of laurarichardson, praise from Caesar

If the NPG and the Revolution want to get the band back together because the guy who connected them all has gone and died on them you'd want to be pretty mean-spirited to call it a cash-grab or just plain clueless on how people process grief.

jaawwnn said:

The respect of laurarichardson, praise from Caesar

If the NPG and the Revolution want to get the band back together because the guy who connected them all has gone and died on them you'd want to be pretty mean-spirited to call it a cash-grab or just plain clueless on how people process grief.

It is mean spirted to trash talk someone when they are alive and then cash in as soon as they are gone.

You need to get out of your feelings and stop being mad at the messenger. Go back and look up some of the shit Tommy Barbella had to say prior to Prince's death.

He is not the only one of course but you can easilty find his comments. I stand by my opinion and I have much respect for people who know how to be respectful.

Some of his associtates do not know how to do so.

purplerabbithole said:

peri1025 said:

I always thought they dated. They seemed to share something special. He seemed happy and playful during the time she was around. I get the sense Andy will never confirm it, but at least we know there was inspiration for the beautiful songs they made together and presumably about each other. It seems they had unfinished business and residual feelings even though both moved on. He still showed reverence for her despite their breakup.

Yes,Andy's been quiet and respectful to his privacy.Her tribute post seemed to be her way of confirming it and the picture of them said enough.I noticed her sister commented on her FB post,saying "Its better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all."They did seem to share something special,I agree.Andy did admit in a recent radio interview while in Australia that most of her songs are about him and she still draws from their time together for inspiration.She also said they wrote many songs together and some ended up on AOA and Phase 1 and 2.It does seem they still had unresolved feelings and were on each other's minds.I wonder when he put her picture up in the Galaxy room? People first mentioned it to her last January after they attended the P&M at Paisley.The pic is from the Superconductor lyric book for the song Yellow Gold, I believe but I wonder why he chose that photo.Maybe it had special meaning to them.

[Edited 9/11/17 8:04am]

Vashtix said:

purplerabbithole said:

keep in mind some things.

1.) Prince was a cryptic compartmentalized man his whole life. He most consistently revealed himself through his music. In personal life, it appears that he opened up to people in increments. He was a like a puzzle that each person in his life only received a few pieces of.

2.) Brenda Bennett once described trying to arrange a reunion with Prince in 2011. It was like Fort Knox getting past that bubble. Once she and Susan Moonsie did so, he was surprised and very happy to see them, spending an hour with them backstage. Seeing Prince wasn't always easy. I think his handlers and employees assumed that his barricades were up for all people at all times unless other wise indicated by P.. Just a hunch.

3.) Folks were riding the gravy train when he was alive in many instances already. Some like Morris Day and the TIme had plans to work with him already. It sounds like The Revolution were attempting to work with him while alive. Everytime, the Rev were interviewed and the NPG members were interviewed or listed him on their resume, they were riding that train already while he was alive. Sheila E had already written about him in her book. Don't get me wrong the degree and intensity of the gravy train riding right now is a bit disheartening. Tommy B touring with the NPG folks when he wouldn't do so while P was alive pissed me off. Mayte's book and the timing of its release is disheartening. But who knows how they justify this stuff in their own minds. They might just tell themselves that it is helping to continue his legacy after other folks approached them with cash to tell their stories or perform gigs etc.

4.) How would they know he was going to die so quickly. Those who knew or suspected drugs might have just assumed they had time to reach him or work on the problem. And those same people may have hit a barricade when they attempted to do so (see 1 and 2)

5.) How would they know the public reaction to Prince's death? If Prince was a drug addicted wreck stumbling around on stage for the next few years in a very public way it wouldn't have helped his legacy or theirs by extention. He died in a quick surprising way and the public reacted with more compassion than disdain. His associates wouldn't have been able to see ahead into the future to know that.

6.) I am not going to assume that everyone was waiting for P to just die and get out of the way. I have had those thoughts but Prince's approach to life does make it clear to me that it is quite possible people didn't know the problem existed, or didn't know the extent of it, or didn't know how to help or were unable to break through his barricades to do so. Those extenuating circumstances are important to consider. Some people might have waited around for him to die, but I don't think it is fair to assume all of them did. I don't think it is fair to them and especially not to him. I try to push those thoughts out of my head. Sometimes it is hard to but I start thinking of the extenuating circumstances and it helps.

[Edited 9/10/17 19:41pm]

I agree Prince compartmentalized. I keep waiting for something totslly unexpected to be revealed because he was so private and knew how to keep clear separations in his life.

But nothing shocking has been revelved. I simply thing he was playing smart keeping his private life private as he did this the whole of his carreer. I do not think he had any deep dark secrets he was hiding and if he did it was his business and he kept it to himself which is what a sane person would do.

pinkcashmere23 said:

peri1025 said:

I always thought they dated. They seemed to share something special. He seemed happy and playful during the time she was around. I get the sense Andy will never confirm it, but at least we know there was inspiration for the beautiful songs they made together and presumably about each other. It seems they had unfinished business and residual feelings even though both moved on. He still showed reverence for her despite their breakup.

Yes,Andy's been quiet and respectful to his privacy.Her tribute post seemed to be her way of confirming it and the picture of them said enough.I noticed her sister commented on her FB post,saying "Its better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all."They did seem to share something special,I agree.Andy did admit in a recent radio interview while in Australia that most of her songs are about him and she still draws from their time together for inspiration.She also said they wrote many songs together and some ended up on AOA and Phase 1 and 2.It does seem they still had unresolved feelings and were on each other's minds.I wonder when he put her picture up in the Galaxy room? People first mentioned it to her last January after they attended the P&M at Paisley.The pic is from the Superconductor lyric book for the song Yellow Gold, I believe but I wonder why he chose that photo.Maybe it had special meaning to them.

[Edited 9/11/17 8:04am]

P took the photo of Andy that is at PP.

Then add Jill Jones to the equation. She trashed P often while he was alive.

laurarichardson said:

jaawwnn said:

The respect of laurarichardson, praise from Caesar

If the NPG and the Revolution want to get the band back together because the guy who connected them all has gone and died on them you'd want to be pretty mean-spirited to call it a cash-grab or just plain clueless on how people process grief.

It is mean spirted to trash talk someone when they are alive and then cash in as soon as they are gone.

You need to get out of your feelings and stop being mad at the messenger. Go back and look up some of the shit Tommy Barbella had to say prior to Prince's death.

He is not the only one of course but you can easilty find his comments. I stand by my opinion and I have much respect for people who know how to be respectful.

Some of his associtates do not know how to do so.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes,Andy's been quiet and respectful to his privacy.Her tribute post seemed to be her way of confirming it and the picture of them said enough.I noticed her sister commented on her FB post,saying "Its better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all."They did seem to share something special,I agree.Andy did admit in a recent radio interview while in Australia that most of her songs are about him and she still draws from their time together for inspiration.She also said they wrote many songs together and some ended up on AOA and Phase 1 and 2.It does seem they still had unresolved feelings and were on each other's minds.I wonder when he put her picture up in the Galaxy room? People first mentioned it to her last January after they attended the P&M at Paisley.The pic is from the Superconductor lyric book for the song Yellow Gold, I believe but I wonder why he chose that photo.Maybe it had special meaning to them.

[Edited 9/11/17 8:04am]

P took the photo of Andy that is at PP.

Ah.Didn't know that,thanks.I thought Justine Walpole took all photos in the book.Andy said during her FB Live that they would go to the Arboretum to take pictures so I assume it was taken there.

She has not always had good things to say now so at least she is consistent. Some people have done a complete 360.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Then add Jill Jones to the equation. She trashed P often while he was alive.

laurarichardson said:

It is mean spirted to trash talk someone when they are alive and then cash in as soon as they are gone.

You need to get out of your feelings and stop being mad at the messenger. Go back and look up some of the shit Tommy Barbella had to say prior to Prince's death.

He is not the only one of course but you can easilty find his comments. I stand by my opinion and I have much respect for people who know how to be respectful.

Some of his associtates do not know how to do so.

pinkcashmere23 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

P took the photo of Andy that is at PP.

Ah.Didn't know that,thanks.I thought Justine Walpole took all photos in the book.Andy said during her FB Live that they would go to the Arboretum to take pictures so I assume it was taken there.

Someone who took the tour was told that by an employee of PP.

I dont know how factual that may be.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Ah.Didn't know that,thanks.I thought Justine Walpole took all photos in the book.Andy said during her FB Live that they would go to the Arboretum to take pictures so I assume it was taken there.

Someone who took the tour was told that by an employee of PP.

I dont know how factual that may be.

Oh ok lol.It's a nice thought that he took it, it's a beautiful photo.I think he also used it for the promo for Oui Can Luv on Tidal too.

anangellooksdown said:

What's clear to me is that Prince didn't feel he could tell Andy what he was going through. That speaks volumes to me that as I've always said, they were not equally-yoked. He felt he had to be perfect for her and other people as well, and was only vulnerable with Kirk probably...maybe a few others. There was a trust factor missing. He was going to get through his pain and addiction issues first, and then maybe hang out with her again? There's sonething missing there. How many times were they going to go back and forth with each other? I don't know that that was in his plans, but I do feel that if he had lived, someone else would have eventually come along for him. That is to take nothing away from the great music they made with each other and for each other, while they were in this "affair" or obsession or moment in time. I feel he felt he had to be the older more mature one, the caretaker and teacher etc., and protect her, and the other young women around him, by not telling them his real life in certain ways. What I do know is that if he had been with Manuela while this happened, he would've been honest about it with her. A wife, esp later in life. I feel that Prince held a very special place in his heart for Andy and really believed in her. As he did other protégés he worked with, especially as he got older. I know he cares for her very much. As he does Mayte and Damaris and Judith and others. He was very very special, and had a love for these people that we could hardly imagine. But was he going to go backwards into trying to revive this thing between Andy and him? Maybe, maybe not. However I do see an older woman coming into his life eventually. A partner. [Edited 9/11/17 9:24am]

equally -yoked.......that right there makes me ponder so many many more pleasant, perhaps less musical, but equally profound and fulfilling outcomes for him, if he would have just ventured that way. i think

he had the accutriments of happiness but i'm not convinced he felt it like he was falling back into someones arms, like that trust exercise. he needed repeated moments of that to enable his muscle

memory to align a new. then he would have another bank of happiness to draw from other than

music. the music is great and i am grateful for what he gave but i would have preferred not to have

the aching feeling of "that heart is sad deep down" whenever i viewed him. i can't believe out of all the women not more of them turned into the more acts of service love language type of lovers, but maybe that is because of the way they were picked??? maybe he wasn't picking for that quality. hmmmm, oops sorry i just realized i am streaming thoughts. sorry. yes equally yoked he needed that.

anangellooksdown said:

What's clear to me is that Prince didn't feel he could tell Andy what he was going through. That speaks volumes to me that as I've always said, they were not equally-yoked. He felt he had to be perfect for her and other people as well, and was only vulnerable with Kirk probably...maybe a few others. There was a trust factor missing. He was going to get through his pain and addiction issues first, and then maybe hang out with her again? There's sonething missing there. How many times were they going to go back and forth with each other? I don't know that that was in his plans, but I do feel that if he had lived, someone else would have eventually come along for him. That is to take nothing away from the great music they made with each other and for each other, while they were in this "affair" or obsession or moment in time. I feel he felt he had to be the older more mature one, the caretaker and teacher etc., and protect her, and the other young women around him, by not telling them his real life in certain ways. What I do know is that if he had been with Manuela while this happened, he would've been honest about it with her. A wife, esp later in life. I feel that Prince held a very special place in his heart for Andy and really believed in her. As he did other protégés he worked with, especially as he got older. I know he cares for her very much. As he does Mayte and Damaris and Judith and others. He was very very special, and had a love for these people that we could hardly imagine. But was he going to go backwards into trying to revive this thing between Andy and him? Maybe, maybe not. However I do see an older woman coming into his life eventually. A partner. [Edited 9/11/17 9:24am]

I'm not sure Prince was necessarily trying to revive things with Andy,though I don't know what was going on behind the scenes.Andy said she was seeing someone last year and she made a few posts alluding to being in love, I think in March.Maybe Prince would have liked to have her back but respected that she was in a relationship.Maybe that's why he was singing Waiting In Vain-one of Andy's favorite songs and one they often performed together-during his P&M shows last year.He also talked about how relationships don't always work out.He was very open and honest during those shows and it makes me wonder what was happening in his personal life.I think they had both accepted that what ever they had didn't work out.They seemed to still have love and respect for each other though and perhaps fond memories of their time together.

purplefam99 said:

anangellooksdown said:

What's clear to me is that Prince didn't feel he could tell Andy what he was going through. That speaks volumes to me that as I've always said, they were not equally-yoked. He felt he had to be perfect for her and other people as well, and was only vulnerable with Kirk probably...maybe a few others. There was a trust factor missing. He was going to get through his pain and addiction issues first, and then maybe hang out with her again? There's sonething missing there. How many times were they going to go back and forth with each other? I don't know that that was in his plans, but I do feel that if he had lived, someone else would have eventually come along for him. That is to take nothing away from the great music they made with each other and for each other, while they were in this "affair" or obsession or moment in time. I feel he felt he had to be the older more mature one, the caretaker and teacher etc., and protect her, and the other young women around him, by not telling them his real life in certain ways. What I do know is that if he had been with Manuela while this happened, he would've been honest about it with her. A wife, esp later in life. I feel that Prince held a very special place in his heart for Andy and really believed in her. As he did other protégés he worked with, especially as he got older. I know he cares for her very much. As he does Mayte and Damaris and Judith and others. He was very very special, and had a love for these people that we could hardly imagine. But was he going to go backwards into trying to revive this thing between Andy and him? Maybe, maybe not. However I do see an older woman coming into his life eventually. A partner. [Edited 9/11/17 9:24am]

equally -yoked.......that right there makes me ponder so many many more pleasant, perhaps less musical, but equally profound and fulfilling outcomes for him, if he would have just ventured that way. i think

he had the accutriments of happiness but i'm not convinced he felt it like he was falling back into someones arms, like that trust exercise. he needed repeated moments of that to enable his muscle

memory to align a new. then he would have another bank of happiness to draw from other than

music. the music is great and i am grateful for what he gave but i would have preferred not to have

the aching feeling of "that heart is sad deep down" whenever i viewed him. i can't believe out of all the women not more of them turned into the more acts of service love language type of lovers, but maybe that is because of the way they were picked??? maybe he wasn't picking for that quality. hmmmm, oops sorry i just realized i am streaming thoughts. sorry. yes equally yoked he needed that.

From what little Andy has revealed and divulged in her songs,it seems things were great for awhile,then he began to pull away from her emotionally.Other women have said he did the same with them.It was a pattern with him it seems.I got into Prince after he married Mani and he seemed very happy and at peace while married to her.Then there were rumors of trouble in 2004 and by 2005 they had seperated.There were rumors of infidelity on both sides but it appears he did the same with her,completly shutting her out.Andy did say in her tribute post that they" shared many tears."and if that's true,it sounds as if he let his defenses down and was somewhat open with her.

anangellooksdown said:

I think he was reflective during the PAAM tour. This was how he grieved too, through the music. He grieved other people too, but I think his most recent connection with Andy the most. It would've been hard for him to move forward relationship-wise at that point. I picture him as trying to work through the pain and addiction issues and being sort of stuck. I feel he might've tried to get Andy back; maybe not - but I don't think it would've worked over the long run. It's like they had been through it already. If he had gotten clean, a lot would've changed for him, and I see him as moving forward and not burdening Andy with anymore of the obsession they had been in. Even though there was a lot of good in it too. But as we know, none of that was able to happen.

I agree.

pinkcashmere23 said:

anangellooksdown said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

From what little Andy has revealed and divulged in her songs,it seems things were great for awhile,then he began to pull away from her emotionally.Other women have said he did the same with them.It was a pattern with him it seems.I got into Prince after he married Mani and he seemed very happy and at peace while married to her.Then there were rumors of trouble in 2004 and by 2005 they had seperated.There were rumors of infidelity on both sides but it appears he did the same with her,completly shutting her out.Andy did say in her tribute post that they" shared many tears."and if that's true,it sounds as if he let his defenses down and was somewhat open with her.

Yes I thinknhe qas open with these women to different extents and I'm sure they shared a lot. Delilah also said the same thing. On his birthday she told him how glad she was that he was born. I just use her as an example, that he could get very close with people sometimes. Denise said they were so close at one point it was "scary". And Judith said their relationship was "intense". It's hard to know why he would suddenly change or pull away or move on. I don't think it was always him. Sometimes it might have been the other person or circumstances. But I get the feeling that being close to him was a gift. [Edited 9/11/17 10:33am]

Yes.I also sense some frustration in Prince and Andy's relationship going by the lyrics they wrote together,particularly Time and What It Feels Like.Also some of the songs that have been said may be about them like This Could B Us and June.It almost seems like they were trying to maintain a long distance relationship though she said they wrote Time and WIFL at Paisley presumably while staying there at the time.

anangellooksdown said:

I think Prince was having a hard time in general in his life, and was confused, and was feeling melancholy, and was feeling his age. Also, Kim Upsher and Vanity had died since December 2015 and he was feeling that, and his humanness. He had chosen very young women for talent and so that's what was available to him for romance. That was his choice and the way he lived his life for the music and who he was. Aside from Mani. I don't think he had the energy to start a new relationship at the time.

Exactly.He did seem melancholy last year but as you said,he had suffered a lot of loss.

anangellooksdown said:

Prince Rogers Nelson was special, and his life was a gift to us. Those who got to spend real, intimate time with him were fortunate and they will always be touched. Even some of us who didn't, if we love him, he will be there. His spirit is there; he knows who his family is. If we love him, he knows it. Some days I just can't believe his life here is over. I get a strange, melancholy and open-eyed feeling about him and his life and life in general. Love you, Pink.

anangellooksdown said:

anangellooksdown said:

pinkcashmere23 said: