laurarichardson said:

She discussed in one of those inteviews when she became disillousioned with him. So I do not think she forgot her uncomplimnetary comments about him because she explains were it came from.

Yeah, to be fair, that's true. But then again, Wendy says she was angry about how her dreams didn't come true and she's jumped on here (and on that pathetic website) for being so ungrateful. Duh, the point of her story was about how she was angry in the past, you know, just like Jill was. She also says she's embarrassed she was angry about it.

I do not think she expects to be known by the entire world but having a few associates blow off your contriubtions is absurd when they were on the scence. If an engineer that most of the public knows or care nothing about can get some credit Jill can get some as well.

No one has blown off her contribution. People have talked about what they were involved with. Whoever put together the Purple Rain reissue should have consulted Jill Jones about her contributions, no doubt, but the Revolution and "that engineer" did as people wanted them to do, they talked specifically about their own contributions and did not speak on other peoples behalf.

laurarichardson said:

jaawwnn said:

Jill is great in that interview, and in most interviews actually, but hey don't forget she wasn't always so complimentary about Prince, maybe she shouldn't pretend otherwise hmm?

Ultimately it's more likely that she is forgotten not because she's black (sure half of the Prince fans don't even realize this) but because no one knows who she is in the first place. Her album flopped (despite being absolutely fantastic) and if she's remembered at all it's for a small, non-musical part in Purple Rain and for being another in the long list of random hot girls in Prince videos. Yeah, she deserves her credits, obviously, but it's not like the Purple Rain reissue doesn't already have a long list of problems with it.

That Beautiful Lies website though, oh man, that is some pathetic stuff. How sad that this is what Prince fandom has become.

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She discussed in one of those inteviews when she became disillousioned with him. So I do not think she forgot her uncomplimnetary comments about him because she explains were it came from.

I do not see any pretending when she discusses his harem and making her some sort of den mother to the other women.

I do not think she expects to be known by the entire world but having a few associates blow off your contriubtions is absurd when they were on the scence. If an engineer that most of the public knows or care nothing about can get some credit Jill can get some as well.

If that engineer can toot their horn Jill can toot hers.

So should Sheila E get blasted by Jill for not acknowledging 'anywhere ever' JJ contributions vocally to the Glamorous Life?

Where does the Time ever talk about JJ's vocal contributions. How about Mazarati? etc?

The Revolution members were asked about their memories of recording. It wasn't about giving 'credits'

jaawwnn said:

laurarichardson said:

She discussed in one of those inteviews when she became disillousioned with him. So I do not think she forgot her uncomplimnetary comments about him because she explains were it came from.

Yeah, to be fair, that's true. But then again, Wendy says she was angry about how her dreams didn't come true and she's jumped on here (and on that pathetic website) for being so ungrateful. Duh, the point of her story was about how she was angry in the past, you know, just like Jill was. She also says she's embarrassed she was angry about it.

I do not think she expects to be known by the entire world but having a few associates blow off your contriubtions is absurd when they were on the scence. If an engineer that most of the public knows or care nothing about can get some credit Jill can get some as well.

No one has blown off her contribution. People have talked about what they were involved with. Whoever put together the Purple Rain reissue should have consulted Jill Jones about her contributions, no doubt, but the Revolution and "that engineer" did as people wanted them to do, they talked specifically about their own contributions and did not speak on other peoples behalf.

Not mentioning someone at all is blowing them off or at least that appears to be what Jill thinks. The associates who contributed to the project did not bother to mention her and WB does not care one way or another.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

She discussed in one of those inteviews when she became disillousioned with him. So I do not think she forgot her uncomplimnetary comments about him because she explains were it came from.

I do not see any pretending when she discusses his harem and making her some sort of den mother to the other women.

I do not think she expects to be known by the entire world but having a few associates blow off your contriubtions is absurd when they were on the scence. If an engineer that most of the public knows or care nothing about can get some credit Jill can get some as well.

If that engineer can toot their horn Jill can toot hers.

So should Sheila E get blasted by Jill for not acknowledging 'anywhere ever' JJ contributions vocally to the Glamorous Life?

Where does the Time every talk about JJ's vocal contributions. How about Mazarati? etc?

The Revolution members were asked about their memories of recording. It wasn't about giving 'credits'

None of those people were involved with this reissue project and let us hope that for future projects they do mention her. We are discussing the lack of credit given to Jill on the PR project or we not?

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

So should Sheila E get blasted by Jill for not acknowledging 'anywhere ever' JJ contributions vocally to the Glamorous Life?

Where does the Time every talk about JJ's vocal contributions. How about Mazarati? etc?

The Revolution members were asked about their memories of recording. It wasn't about giving 'credits'

None of those people were involved with this reissue project and let us hope that for future projects they do mention her. We are discussing the lack of credit given to Jill on the PR project or we not?

I'm talking about the 'blaming' the Revolution members were not asked about credits, they were asked about memories

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

None of those people were involved with this reissue project and let us hope that for future projects they do mention her. We are discussing the lack of credit given to Jill on the PR project or we not?

I'm talking about the 'blaming' the Revolution members were not asked about credits, they were asked about memories

How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.

Even if they were asked about their memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her?

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm talking about the 'blaming' the Revolution members were not asked about credits, they were asked about memories

How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.

Even if they were asked about their memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her?

i have to agree. and what video is it where lisa and jill tie prince up in a bed?? they know she was

there, the right thing to do is clear, even if one doesn't choose it, it is clear and would have taken just

a split sec of their own personal light to acknowledge it.

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[Edited 9/5/17 9:16am]

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.

Even if they were asked about their memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her?

i have to agree. and what video is it where lisa and jill tie prince up in a bed?? they know she was

there, the right thing to do is clear, even if one doesn't choose it, it is clear and would have taken just

a split sec of their own personal light to acknowledge it.

[Edited 9/5/17 9:14am]

[Edited 9/5/17 9:16am]

Automatic is the video. They were in extremly close quaters of one another and there is a video if Lisa needs a memory jog. I know we are all getting old but come on with the nonsense.

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

i have to agree. and what video is it where lisa and jill tie prince up in a bed?? they know she was

there, the right thing to do is clear, even if one doesn't choose it, it is clear and would have taken just

a split sec of their own personal light to acknowledge it.

[Edited 9/5/17 9:14am]

[Edited 9/5/17 9:16am]

Automatic is the video. They were in extremly close quaters of one another and there is a video if Lisa needs a memory jog. I know we are all getting old but come on with the nonsense.

yes!!! that is the one. and yes close quarters is an understatement for Lisa and Jill 'come on'.... i agree.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm talking about the 'blaming' the Revolution members were not asked about credits, they were asked about memories

How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.

Even if they were asked about their memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her?

Because that is what was asked for for the piece. The stuff we can read in their from each individual is about memories

1999 video is not the Purple Rain deluxe

What in heaven earth or hell does the 1999 era videos have to do with the Purple Rain deluxe?

I mean you just cannot help throwing a discussion off the rail...

Laurarichardson?? what in heaven does the 1999 video have to do with the Purple Rain deluxe?!?

I mean you are really trying to defend some foolishness

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.

Even if they were asked about their memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her?

i have to agree. and what video is it where lisa and jill tie prince up in a bed?? they know she was

there, the right thing to do is clear, even if one doesn't choose it, it is clear and would have taken just

a split sec of their own personal light to acknowledge it.

[Edited 9/5/17 9:14am]

[Edited 9/5/17 9:16am]

Agree with what?! are we talking about the Purple Rain deluxe or the 1999 album/videos?

please please please help me to understand that you do know the Automatic video was on the 1982 '1999' double album release not the 1984 Purple Rain soundtrack release

we might have to take that 'purple' out of your id/name lol

and send you to purple school:purple music 101

The Purple Rain deluxe that they were asked about had nothing to do with 1999

I mean Laurarichardson got you off track quick lol

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

Automatic is the video. They were in extremly close quaters of one another and there is a video if Lisa needs a memory jog. I know we are all getting old but come on with the nonsense.

yes!!! that is the one. and yes close quarters is an understatement for Lisa and Jill 'come on'.... i agree.

Are you two really getting up on the 1999 era videos?

We are talking about the Purple Rain deluxe release linear notes

this ain't about Vanity and Wonderful Ass, this is about the whole project.

where was Lisa asked about Automatic on the Purple Rain linear notes?

ya'll come on back 2 reason.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm talking about the 'blaming' the Revolution members were not asked about credits, they were asked about memories

How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.

Even if they were asked about their memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her?

Altimetizers??! What the hell? I guess spelling is a weak area for you. LOL

jungleluv said:

laurarichardson said:

How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.

Even if they were asked about their memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her?

Altimetizers??! What the hell? I guess spelling is a weak area for you. LOL

LOL

I pasted Altimetizers in a google search and I got

Do you mean: Altimeters

OldFriends4Sale said:

jungleluv said:

Altimetizers??! What the hell? I guess spelling is a weak area for you. LOL

LOL

I pasted Altimetizers in a google search and I got

Do you mean: Altimeters

You know what I mean and this is just a way for you to get out of admitting that you give W&L to much of a pass for their foolishness. Their pants legs much be wet and I hope they have a good dry cleaner.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm talking about the 'blaming' the Revolution members were not asked about credits, they were asked about memories

How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.

Even if they were asked about their memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her?

And Laurarichardson?!?

Alzheimers (if that is what you meant) is nothing to joke about.

People suffer from this disease and family friends and caretakers are devistated by Alzheimers affliction.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

LOL

I pasted Altimetizers in a google search and I got

Do you mean: Altimeters

You know what I mean and this is just a way for you to get out of admitting that you give W&L to much of a pass for their foolishness. Their pants legs much be wet and I hope they have a good dry cleaner.

No sweetness, You bringing up some dam 1999 video is a way of you getting off track and hoping someone else falls for your usual shtick

stay focused and stop making light of a disease

jungleluv said:

laurarichardson said:

How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.

Even if they were asked about their memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her?

Altimetizers??! What the hell? I guess spelling is a weak area for you. LOL

No I forgot how to spell it and I should get a pass since Lisa cannot remember who she was practically making out with. I think I am allowed a spelling error. Now get back on topic ladies. I know it is hard too stay on the point.

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplefam99 said:

yes!!! that is the one. and yes close quarters is an understatement for Lisa and Jill 'come on'.... i agree.

Are you two really getting up on the 1999 era videos?

We are talking about the Purple Rain deluxe release linear notes

this ain't about Vanity and Wonderful Ass, this is about the whole project.

where was Lisa asked about Automatic on the Purple Rain linear notes?

ya'll come on back 2 reason.

She cannot remember who Jill was enough to bring her up. So since they are making out in the 1999 video that kind of proves she knew who the hell she was. Damm this had to be explained to you?

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Are you two really getting up on the 1999 era videos?

We are talking about the Purple Rain deluxe release linear notes

this ain't about Vanity and Wonderful Ass, this is about the whole project.

where was Lisa asked about Automatic on the Purple Rain linear notes?

ya'll come on back 2 reason.

She cannot remember who Jill was enough to bring her up. So since they are making out in the 1999 video that kind of proves she knew who the hell she was. Damm this had to be explained to you?

Yet Lisa & Wendy prior to Prince's death in 2016 pay compliment to Jill on their FB page

.

Stop Laurarichardson, please just stop.
This is looking desperate.

laurarichardson said:

jungleluv said:

Altimetizers??! What the hell? I guess spelling is a weak area for you. LOL

No I forgot how to spell it and I should get a pass since Lisa cannot remember who she was practically making out with. I think I am allowed a spelling error. Now get back on topic ladies. I know it is hard too stay on the point.

Back on TOPIC?!? LOL the Automatic video is back on topic? Seriously?

and please post where Lisa said she forgot who was with her in the 1999 video?

And please tell me where did she practically make out with Jill Jones? Maybe U forgot

Imean this is beyond pathetic!!

Alzheimers is not something to make fun of

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

No I forgot how to spell it and I should get a pass since Lisa cannot remember who she was practically making out with. I think I am allowed a spelling error. Now get back on topic ladies. I know it is hard too stay on the point.

Back on TOPIC?!? LOL the Automatic video is back on topic? Seriously?

and please post where Lisa said she forgot who was with her in the 1999 video?

And please tell me where did she practically make out with Jill Jones? Maybe U forgot

Imean this is beyond pathetic!!

Alzheimers is not something to make fun of

A recap

Lisa and Wendy did not give any credit to Jill for her contribution or at least this is how Jill feels.

Lisa was around working with Jill at the time that 1999 and PR was recorded. If she wanted to she could have mentioned her she did not. Her choice.

You are making excuses for her as usual and I am saying unless she is suffering from memory loss she certainly remembers Jill and her contributions.

You need to stop it now because you are embarrassing yourself. No one is making fun of any medical problems or issues. You are just changing the subject and jumping all over the place.

You do not sit up and practically kiss some women and just forget about her unless something is seriously wrong with you or you are playing the dumb blonde role. Is Lisa blonde?

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Back on TOPIC?!? LOL the Automatic video is back on topic? Seriously?

and please post where Lisa said she forgot who was with her in the 1999 video?

And please tell me where did she practically make out with Jill Jones? Maybe U forgot

Imean this is beyond pathetic!!

Alzheimers is not something to make fun of

A recap

Lisa and Wendy did not give any credit to Jill for her contribution or at least this is how Jill feels.

Lisa was around working with Jill at the time that 1999 and PR was recorded. If she wanted to she could have mentioned her she did not. Her choice.

You are making excuses for her as usual and I am saying unless she is suffering from memory loss she certainly remembers Jill and her contributions.

You need to stop it now because you are embarrassing yourself. No one is making fun of any medical problems or issues. You are just changing the subject and jumping all over the place.

You do not sit up and practically kiss some women and just forget about her unless something is seriously wrong with you or you are playing the dumb blonde role. Is Lisa blonde?

Cut it out Laura. W & L were not responsible for the printed Credits

We have already been through this

Lisa was just talking about her memories(not for crediting) of recording the song

You make fun of people with Alzheimers. You don't make that right.
You bring up Automatic and Lisa & JJ almost making out which did not almost happen nor does it have anything to do with the PR Deluxe

the 'share your memories' section of the pullout was not about giving proper credit.
Obviously JJ was not in the studio with Lisa when she was recording with Prince.

Sheila E probably has no memories of JJ singing on Glamorous Life either for the same reasons.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

How do you know what they were asked? Unless you were privy too whatever conversation when on between W&L and WB you are really reaching.

Even if they were asked about their memories are they suffering from Altimetizers. Lisa is practically making out with Jill in the 1999 video did she forget about her?

And Laurarichardson?!?

Alzheimers (if that is what you meant) is nothing to joke about.

People suffer from this disease and family friends and caretakers are devistated by Alzheimers affliction.

SNIP - OF4S (see your orgnotes)

I believe WB has the obligation to perform due diligence in citing credits. With that, I am sure they did not with the re-release. It seems as WB was non-chalant with the release. Little PR and effort. Just my 2 cents.

I don't have a problem with JJ venting if she was not credited. I imagine she is getting some form of royalties for her work, but could be wrong with that.

JJ has always seemed like she can be a hot-head at times. Again nothing wrong with that. The one thing I like about her is that she always is open and you know where you stand with her. Never met the lady, just my take away from interviews and such.

Correct me if i'mn wrong but I suppose ultimately this is coming down to the song Wonderful Ass (I still find it funny that we're fighting about such a ridiculously named track) isn't it? Did Jill say she sang on other ones on Purple Rain deluxe?

Lisa has given a few interviews where she said she sang it with Prince about their then girlfriends, Wendy and Susannah. Now, we actually have the earlier version from 1982 or so before Lisa added her vocals so this situation is down to whether or not you think she is purposely and knowingly going out of her way to not give Jill (and Vanity) due credit on the track/inspiration.

Personally i'd say it's much more likely Prince turned up in the studio one day with yet another half-recorded track and asked Lisa to sing it with him and she had (and still has) no idea that the recording had been knocking around for a few years at that point. It's not like she worked on the track earlier, i'd say if she had been around when he worked on it before she'd have sang on it along with Jill back then. When it came to doing the Purple Rain reissue, considering all the other problems with it it's not surprising that no one at WB asked Jill or knew the history of the song. It's a failing on their part, sure, but it's not the only one; if they had put in the effort we might have gotten an official release of Wednesday as well. Lisa didn't bring it up because she had no idea either (and also, there's no Q&A on the bonus tracks in the reissue) and Susan Rogers wasn't around when it was originally recorded so why should she know who was or wasn't on another random recording Prince turned with in the studio some day?

I'm not going to try and convince the people who just straight up believe that W&L are, well, evil racists going out of their way to whitewash the Prince story. I can agree to disagree on that one.

[Edited 9/5/17 12:39pm]

jaawwnn said:

Correct me if i'mn wrong but I suppose ultimately this is coming down to the song Wonderful Ass (I still find it funny that we're fighting about such a ridiculously named track) isn't it? Did Jill say she sang on other ones on Purple Rain deluxe?

Lisa has given a few interviews where she said she sang it with Prince about their then girlfriends, Wendy and Susannah. Now, we actually have the earlier version from 1982 or so before Lisa added her vocals so this situation is down to whether or not you think she is purposely and knowingly going out of her way to not give Jill (and Vanity) due credit on the track/inspiration.

Personally i'd say it's much more likely Prince turned up in the studio one day with yet another half-recorded track and asked Lisa to sing it with him and she had (and still has) no idea that the recording had been knocking around for a few years at that point. It's not like she worked on the track earlier, i'd say if she had been around when he worked on it before she'd have sang on it along with Jill back then. When it came to doing the Purple Rain reissue, considering all the other problems with it it's not surprising that no one at WB asked Jill or knew the history of the song. It's a failing on their part, sure, but it's not the only one; if they had put in the effort we might have gotten an official release of Wednesday as well. Lisa didn't bring it up because she had no idea either (and also, there's no Q&A on the bonus tracks in the reissue) and Susan Rogers wasn't around when it was originally recorded so why should she know who was or wasn't on another random recording Prince turned with in the studio some day?

I'm not going to try and convince the people who just straight up believe that W&L are, well, evil racists going out of their way to whitewash the Prince story. I can agree to disagree on that one.

[Edited 9/5/17 12:27pm]

After Laurarichardson threw in 1999 and Automatic with JJ & Lisa 1/2 making out, I don't know what's up here lol

And the Vanity love affair connect just must be kept in the other thread. lol

.

They keep insinuating that Lisa 'memories' are 'credits' and she is not doing the credits. She along with the rest are talking about / reminiscing about the various songs. That's it.

.

Sheila E has never ever talked about Jill Jones singing background on the Glamorous Life, yet JJ mentioned in an interview lamenting the lack of success for her album, that 'she did not know the child was going in and singing the songs' after JJ left from doing her part. It is a strong possibility the Sheila E did not know. Same with Apollonia. She admitted she knew nothing of Lisa or JJ singing on Take Me With U

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Apollonia never 'credited' JJ while reminiscing about doing Take Me With U. Because she didn't know.

.

This all still goes back to Prince 90%

WB 10% for the rush job to get this out in 2017

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OldFriends4Sale said:

After Laurarichardson threw in 1999 and Automatic with JJ & Lisa 1/2 making out, I don't know what's up here lol

.

They keep insinuating that Lisa 'memories' are 'credits' and she is not doing the credits. She along with the rest are talking about / reminiscing about the various songs. That's it.

.

Sheila E has never ever talked about Jill Jones singing background on the Glamorous Life, yet JJ mentioned in an interview lamenting the lack of success for her album, that 'she did not know the child was going in and singing the songs' after JJ left from doing her part. It is a strong possibility the Sheila E did not know. Same with Apollonia. She admitted she knew nothing of Lisa or JJ singing on Take Me With U

.

Apollonia never 'credited' JJ while reminiscing about doing Take Me With U. Because she didn't know.

.

This all still goes back to Prince 90%

WB 10% for the rush job to get this out in 2017

You'll notice Lisa has no problem mentioning Jill singing backing vocals when talking about Baby I'm a Star even though Jill is not credited officially on that one either. Well also because she says it's "all prince" I guess

[Edited 9/5/17 12:42pm]

jaawwnn said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

After Laurarichardson threw in 1999 and Automatic with JJ & Lisa 1/2 making out, I don't know what's up here lol

.

They keep insinuating that Lisa 'memories' are 'credits' and she is not doing the credits. She along with the rest are talking about / reminiscing about the various songs. That's it.

.

Sheila E has never ever talked about Jill Jones singing background on the Glamorous Life, yet JJ mentioned in an interview lamenting the lack of success for her album, that 'she did not know the child was going in and singing the songs' after JJ left from doing her part. It is a strong possibility the Sheila E did not know. Same with Apollonia. She admitted she knew nothing of Lisa or JJ singing on Take Me With U

.

Apollonia never 'credited' JJ while reminiscing about doing Take Me With U. Because she didn't know.

.

This all still goes back to Prince 90%

WB 10% for the rush job to get this out in 2017

You'll notice Lisa has no problem mentioning Jill singing backing vocals when talking about Baby I'm a Star even though Jill is not credited officially on that one either.

right, and Lisa also talked about JJ singing on Take Me With U as well

jaawwnn said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

After Laurarichardson threw in 1999 and Automatic with JJ & Lisa 1/2 making out, I don't know what's up here lol

.

They keep insinuating that Lisa 'memories' are 'credits' and she is not doing the credits. She along with the rest are talking about / reminiscing about the various songs. That's it.

.

Sheila E has never ever talked about Jill Jones singing background on the Glamorous Life, yet JJ mentioned in an interview lamenting the lack of success for her album, that 'she did not know the child was going in and singing the songs' after JJ left from doing her part. It is a strong possibility the Sheila E did not know. Same with Apollonia. She admitted she knew nothing of Lisa or JJ singing on Take Me With U

.

Apollonia never 'credited' JJ while reminiscing about doing Take Me With U. Because she didn't know.

.

This all still goes back to Prince 90%

WB 10% for the rush job to get this out in 2017

You'll notice Lisa has no problem mentioning Jill singing backing vocals when talking about Baby I'm a Star even though Jill is not credited officially on that one either. Well also because she says it's "all prince" I guess

[Edited 9/5/17 12:42pm]

Ive always thought it was Wendy doing the backwards masking on that one but now thinking about it, the 'tone' seems like Jills.