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Thread started 08/14/17 1:04pm

clairew1975

Apollonia, Jill Jones, Brenda and Susan banned from Paisley Park?

I've just read on Twitter that since April this year, Apollonia, Jill Jones, Brenda and Susan have been banned from Paisley Park?

Jill says it's because Apples took a picture in the museum.

Jill tweeted "For the record joel weinshanker and shannon Pratt and scott march are behind the ban.a guy named Scott was made the face of the ban."

Referring to Prince's family she said "This was before the judge named them as heirs.it was really not in their control."

....."But hopefully it will impress upon everyone that the family had very little control over these monsters handling this nightmare.

"Mind u I was on a plane flying in. Lol. I did not get there in time 4 the tour. Hoopla started before I got in. Next day we got no passes...

"To the show. So we missed seeing Morris. We laughed abt going in hijabs & chadors ❤️❤️❤️🤣🤣our security was told that we were banned. 😳"

What on earth is going over at Paisley that this could happen?
Reply #1 posted 08/14/17 2:02pm

Strawberrylova123

clairew1975 said:

I've just read on Twitter that since April this year, Apollonia, Jill Jones, Brenda and Susan have been banned from Paisley Park?

Jill says it's because Apples took a picture in the museum.

Jill tweeted "For the record joel weinshanker and shannon Pratt and scott march are behind the ban.a guy named Scott was made the face of the ban."

Referring to Prince's family she said "This was before the judge named them as heirs.it was really not in their control."

....."But hopefully it will impress upon everyone that the family had very little control over these monsters handling this nightmare.

"Mind u I was on a plane flying in. Lol. I did not get there in time 4 the tour. Hoopla started before I got in. Next day we got no passes...

"To the show. So we missed seeing Morris. We laughed abt going in hijabs & chadors ❤️❤️❤️🤣🤣our security was told that we were banned. 😳"

What on earth is going over at Paisley that this could happen?

Yea i saw that...ridiculous.
Reply #2 posted 08/14/17 2:06pm

clairew1975

Strawberrylova123 said:

clairew1975 said:

I've just read on Twitter that since April this year, Apollonia, Jill Jones, Brenda and Susan have been banned from Paisley Park?

Jill says it's because Apples took a picture in the museum.

Jill tweeted "For the record joel weinshanker and shannon Pratt and scott march are behind the ban.a guy named Scott was made the face of the ban."

Referring to Prince's family she said "This was before the judge named them as heirs.it was really not in their control."

....."But hopefully it will impress upon everyone that the family had very little control over these monsters handling this nightmare.

"Mind u I was on a plane flying in. Lol. I did not get there in time 4 the tour. Hoopla started before I got in. Next day we got no passes...

"To the show. So we missed seeing Morris. We laughed abt going in hijabs & chadors ❤️❤️❤️🤣🤣our security was told that we were banned. 😳"

What on earth is going over at Paisley that this could happen?

Yea i saw that...ridiculous.


Why would all four be banned over a picture? It's unbelievable isn't it?
Reply #3 posted 08/14/17 2:06pm

malbena

The Graceland crew is not playing. Rules apply to anyone. Who did Appolonia think she was? eek

This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #4 posted 08/14/17 2:10pm

Militant

moderator

I actually heard about this right after it happened, but didn't want to say anything publically before the people involved did.

It's very poor form. Hopefully Kirk can do something about this.



Reply #5 posted 08/14/17 2:14pm

laurarichardson

Militant said:

I actually heard about this right after it happened, but didn't want to say anything publically before the people involved did. 

It's very poor form. Hopefully Kirk can do something about this. 


 


 




--I love your faith in Kirk. It is hysterical.
Reply #6 posted 08/14/17 2:17pm

malbena

laurarichardson said:

Militant said:

I actually heard about this right after it happened, but didn't want to say anything publically before the people involved did.

It's very poor form. Hopefully Kirk can do something about this.




--I love your faith in Kirk. It is hysterical.

lol lol [snip]

This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #7 posted 08/14/17 2:23pm

PennyPurple

Good, as much bitching as Jill Jones and Apples have been doing, they can stay away. Evidently PP doesn't think that they are anything special either.

Reply #8 posted 08/14/17 2:44pm

clairew1975

PennyPurple said:

Good, as much bitching as Jill Jones and Apples have been doing, they can stay away. Evidently PP doesn't think that they are anything special either.



I like Jill, she says it exactly as it is and doesn't sugarcoat it. I've had some great conversations with her on Twitter (non Prince related).
Reply #9 posted 08/14/17 2:45pm

SoulAlive

This is ridiculous.PP should be asking these ladies to appear at special events.How cool would it be to see an Apollonia 6 reunion performance at a future event?

Reply #10 posted 08/14/17 2:49pm

clairew1975

Militant said:

I actually heard about this right after it happened, but didn't want to say anything publically before the people involved did. 

It's very poor form. Hopefully Kirk can do something about this. 


 


 





Since April this year! It's taking a long time to sort. Kirk wants to step up!

I know rules are rules but damn, Bruno Mars was taking pics at Paisley and I don't see him being banned. These four women were a huge part of his life, his friends. I don't like, I don't like it at all.

Edit: Banned April 2017 not last year. Still 4 months later...
[Edited 8/14/17 14:51pm]
Reply #11 posted 08/14/17 2:51pm

malbena

SoulAlive said:

This is ridiculous.PP should be asking these ladies to appear at special events.How cool would it be to see an Apollonia 6 reunion performance at a future event?  



Cool??? Appolonia is falling apart physically and mentally.
This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #12 posted 08/14/17 3:05pm

Superfan1984

eek omg...

Reply #13 posted 08/14/17 3:06pm

Strawberrylova123

Miko weaver is banned 2 eek
Reply #14 posted 08/14/17 3:09pm

Militant

moderator

Strawberrylova123 said:

Miko weaver is banned 2 eek




Really? Where did you hear this? Last I heard Miko was living in Ibiza, I didn't even know he'd attempted to go to Paisley......


Reply #15 posted 08/14/17 3:10pm

Militant

moderator

laurarichardson said:

Militant said:

I actually heard about this right after it happened, but didn't want to say anything publically before the people involved did.

It's very poor form. Hopefully Kirk can do something about this.




--I love your faith in Kirk. It is hysterical.



What on earth are you talking about? He works there, doesn't he?





Reply #16 posted 08/14/17 3:12pm

Strawberrylova123

Militant said:

 



Strawberrylova123 said:


Miko weaver is banned 2 eek




Really? Where did you hear this? Last I heard Miko was living in Ibiza, I didn't even know he'd attempted to go to Paisley.....



Yeah he commented on jjs facebook post last night saying he is happy that he was banned.
Reply #17 posted 08/14/17 3:14pm

clairew1975

If Apples took a picture why did all four get banned? Guilty by association? Jill says she was on a flight over when it was all kicking off. Something else must have happened....??
Reply #18 posted 08/14/17 3:14pm

Militant

moderator

Strawberrylova123 said:

Militant said:




Really? Where did you hear this? Last I heard Miko was living in Ibiza, I didn't even know he'd attempted to go to Paisley......


Yeah he commented on jjs facebook post last night saying he is happy that he was banned.

Wow. What reason could they possible have to ban Miko? Bizarre.


Reply #19 posted 08/14/17 3:16pm

malbena

clairew1975 said:

If Apples took a picture why did all four get banned? Guilty by association? Jill says she was on a flight over when it was all kicking off. Something else must have happened....??


I have to agree the other friends should not have been banned for one's mistake. Odd!
This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #20 posted 08/14/17 3:20pm

Strawberrylova123

Militant said:

 



Strawberrylova123 said:


Militant said:

 





Really? Where did you hear this? Last I heard Miko was living in Ibiza, I didn't even know he'd attempted to go to Paisley.....




Yeah he commented on jjs facebook post last night saying he is happy that he was banned.

 


Wow. What reason could they possible have to ban Miko? Bizarre. 



Yea...strange..he didn't say much.
Reply #21 posted 08/14/17 3:45pm

Militant

moderator

I'm paraphrasing, but what I was told in April was that Apples asked the others to fight her case after she was banned, Jill didn't hold back telling them what she thought, and that's why she got banned.


I don't want to speak for Jill, she's more than capable of speaking for herself (and I love that she does!), but that's just my recollection of what I was told at that time. Not sure re: Susan and Brenda.....


Reply #22 posted 08/14/17 4:17pm

Vashtix

malbena said:

SoulAlive said:

This is ridiculous.PP should be asking these ladies to appear at special events.How cool would it be to see an Apollonia 6 reunion performance at a future event?

Cool??? Appolonia is falling apart physically and mentally.

eek

If all the others from the past are having their time A6 can have theirs. I am not even a fan of them but they too were part of that era and Apples is looking fine as are Brenda and Susan.

Apples appears to be a sweet woman. I do not understand the haters toward her or Jill.

Reply #23 posted 08/14/17 4:20pm

Vashtix

clairew1975 said:

PennyPurple said:

Good, as much bitching as Jill Jones and Apples have been doing, they can stay away. Evidently PP doesn't think that they are anything special either.

I like Jill, she says it exactly as it is and doesn't sugarcoat it. I've had some great conversations with her on Twitter (non Prince related).

Yes, she says what she feels. I do not always agree with her but I like that about her.

Reply #24 posted 08/14/17 4:24pm

malbena

Vashtix said:

 



malbena said:


SoulAlive said:

This is ridiculous.PP should be asking these ladies to appear at special events.How cool would it be to see an Apollonia 6 reunion performance at a future event?  



Cool??? Appolonia is falling apart physically and mentally.

eek


 


If all the others from the past are having their time  A6 can have theirs. I am not even a fan of them but they too were part of that era and Apples is looking fine as are Brenda and Susan. 


Apples appears to be a sweet woman. I do not understand the haters toward her or Jill.



Surely you are entitled to your opinion. I don't find Appolonia attractive because I prefer natural aging as opposed to plastic and I am sorry to say she is old and patched up. Desperately trying.
I have nothing against Brenda and Susan. Jill could use some love. Appolonia has made poor decisions when she decided to gang up against Mayte. She lost my respect for her ever since.
[Edited 8/14/17 16:25pm]
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Reply #25 posted 08/14/17 4:29pm

PennyPurple

This is what she (Jill) posted on her facebook:

Yes it's true. We were banned from Paisley Park. However, I was not present during this time that Apollonia took the photo. I was in fact airborne on my way to Mpls arriving at midnight. 2 hours after this hoopla occurred. Lol. Drama. I was informed the next day that I could not attend any events at Paisley. Me, Apollonia,Susan & Brenda. Do I care? No. Does it make me angry that I was also told that Hucky called a meeting prior to all of this informing our security that the Revolution wanted to make sure that I was kept separated from them during this event at Paisley? Not really it makes me laugh. I had no idea I rattled people as much as I do. Do I care? Not really. They can play the game. But I want to make it clear, I was never in it for the game. I am for real. I don't front. For the record joel weinshanker and shannon Pratt and scott march are behind the ban. Scott, they made him the face of the ban.

Reply #26 posted 08/14/17 4:33pm

malbena

PennyPurple said:

This is what she (Jill) posted on her facebook:


 


 


 


 



Yes it's true. We were banned from Paisley Park. However, I was not present during this time that Apollonia took the photo. I was in fact airborne on my way to Mpls arriving at midnight. 2 hours after this hoopla occurred. Lol. Drama. I was informed the next day that I could not attend any events at Paisley. Me, Apollonia,Susan & Brenda. Do I care? No. Does it make me angry that I was also told that Hucky called a meeting prior to all of this informing our security that the Revolution wanted to make sure that I was kept separated from them during this event at Paisley? Not really it makes me laugh. I had no idea I rattled people as much as I do. Do I care? Not really. They can play the game. But I want to make it clear, I was never in it for the game. I am for real. I don't front. For the record joel weinshanker and shannon Pratt and scott march are behind the ban. Scott, they made him the face of the ban.




Oh that explains why she got kicked out. The Revolution wanted her away from them. Ouch! Nothing worse than being out of one of the most important band in Prince's world.
This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #27 posted 08/14/17 4:34pm

Vashtix

malbena said:

Vashtix said:

eek

If all the others from the past are having their time A6 can have theirs. I am not even a fan of them but they too were part of that era and Apples is looking fine as are Brenda and Susan.

Apples appears to be a sweet woman. I do not understand the haters toward her or Jill.

Surely you are entitled to your opinion. I don't find Appolonia attractive because I prefer natural aging as opposed to plastic and I am sorry to say she is old and patched up. Desperately trying. I have nothing against Brenda and Susan. Jill could use some love. Appolonia has made poor decisions when she decided to gang up against Mayte. She lost my respect for her ever since. [Edited 8/14/17 16:25pm]

That does not mean she is patched up and not part of an important time in the Purple History.

.

Apples was in the movie; Apples is singing Take Me With You Apples is the one in Appolonia 6 in the movie.

I may not be a fan but that is just as true as all M1 was in the 90s . I do not have to be a fan but their contributions cannot be denied.

.

They all deserve to validated for their part over the years and that includes Apples. Especially because she was in the iconic movie. It was Apples as the beautiful love interest.

[Edited 8/14/17 16:35pm]

Reply #28 posted 08/14/17 4:35pm

PennyPurple

I'm getting tired of the Revolution too.

malbena said:

PennyPurple said:

This is what she (Jill) posted on her facebook:

Oh that explains why she got kicked out. The Revolution wanted her away from them. Ouch! Nothing worse than being out of one of the most important band in Prince's world.

Reply #29 posted 08/14/17 4:38pm

malbena

Vashtix said:

 



malbena said:


Vashtix said:

 


eek


 


If all the others from the past are having their time  A6 can have theirs. I am not even a fan of them but they too were part of that era and Apples is looking fine as are Brenda and Susan. 


Apples appears to be a sweet woman. I do not understand the haters toward her or Jill.



Surely you are entitled to your opinion. I don't find Appolonia attractive because I prefer natural aging as opposed to plastic and I am sorry to say she is old and patched up. Desperately trying. I have nothing against Brenda and Susan. Jill could use some love. Appolonia has made poor decisions when she decided to gang up against Mayte. She lost my respect for her ever since. [Edited 8/14/17 16:25pm]

That does not mean she is patched up and not part of an important time in the Purple History.


.


Apples was in the movie; Apples is singing Take Me With You Apples is the one  in Appolonia 6 in the movie.


I may not be a fan but that is just as true as all M1 was in the 90s . I do not have to be  a fan but their contributions cannot be denied.


.


They all deserve to validated for their part over the years and that includes Apples. Especially because she was in the iconic movie. It was Apples as the beautiful love interest.

[Edited 8/14/17 16:35pm]



Oh my gosh, Vshtix, you're twisting too much. I will clarify "patch up" physically due to plastic surgery. Unrelated is the poor decisions of publicly bashing Mayte thus losing my respect. With due respect, I will now let you take this road on your own due to too much misunderstanding. Difficult to express opinion with you, yet I respect you. Be well, dear!
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Reply #30 posted 08/14/17 4:38pm

PennyPurple

Apples wasn't in the movie because she was something special. P needed someone to take Vanity's place ASAP. It wasn't because she was a great actress, or had a great singing voice, because she was neither of those. She was just in the right place at the right time, and P was in a pinch.

Vashtix said:

malbena said:

Vashtix said: Surely you are entitled to your opinion. I don't find Appolonia attractive because I prefer natural aging as opposed to plastic and I am sorry to say she is old and patched up. Desperately trying. I have nothing against Brenda and Susan. Jill could use some love. Appolonia has made poor decisions when she decided to gang up against Mayte. She lost my respect for her ever since. [Edited 8/14/17 16:25pm]

That does not mean she is patched up and not part of an important time in the Purple History.

.

Apples was in the movie; Apples is singing Take Me With You Apples is the one in Appolonia 6 in the movie.

I may not be a fan but that is just as true as all M1 was in the 90s . I do not have to be a fan but their contributions cannot be denied.

.

They all deserve to validated for their part over the years and that includes Apples. Especially because she was in the iconic movie. It was Apples as the beautiful love interest.

[Edited 8/14/17 16:35pm]

Reply #31 posted 08/14/17 4:43pm

Strawberrylova123

malbena said:

PennyPurple said:

This is what she (Jill) posted on her facebook:


 


 


 


 



Yes it's true. We were banned from Paisley Park. However, I was not present during this time that Apollonia took the photo. I was in fact airborne on my way to Mpls arriving at midnight. 2 hours after this hoopla occurred. Lol. Drama. I was informed the next day that I could not attend any events at Paisley. Me, Apollonia,Susan & Brenda. Do I care? No. Does it make me angry that I was also told that Hucky called a meeting prior to all of this informing our security that the Revolution wanted to make sure that I was kept separated from them during this event at Paisley? Not really it makes me laugh. I had no idea I rattled people as much as I do. Do I care? Not really. They can play the game. But I want to make it clear, I was never in it for the game. I am for real. I don't front. For the record joel weinshanker and shannon Pratt and scott march are behind the ban. Scott, they made him the face of the ban.




Oh that explains why she got kicked out. The Revolution wanted her away from them. Ouch! Nothing worse than being out of one of the most important band in Prince's world.

The Rev members are turning out to be a bunch of Assholes
Reply #32 posted 08/14/17 4:44pm

malbena

Strawberrylova123 said:

malbena said:



Oh that explains why she got kicked out. The Revolution wanted her away from them. Ouch! Nothing worse than being out of one of the most important band in Prince's world.

The Rev members are turning out to be a bunch of Assholes


What did they do? I'm not following news about them?
This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #33 posted 08/14/17 4:46pm

Vashtix

PennyPurple said:

Apples wasn't in the movie because she was something special. P needed someone to take Vanity's place ASAP. It wasn't because she was a great actress, or had a great singing voice, because she was neither of those. She was just in the right place at the right time, and P was in a pinch.

Vashtix said:

That does not mean she is patched up and not part of an important time in the Purple History.

.

Apples was in the movie; Apples is singing Take Me With You Apples is the one in Appolonia 6 in the movie.

I may not be a fan but that is just as true as all M1 was in the 90s . I do not have to be a fan but their contributions cannot be denied.

.

They all deserve to validated for their part over the years and that includes Apples. Especially because she was in the iconic movie. It was Apples as the beautiful love interest.

[Edited 8/14/17 16:35pm]

No matter why. Apples was in the movie as it ended up. Sure she was playing Vanity but it does not matter. In the end Apples was on the big screen. That reason alone she deserves to be part of any celebration just as much as the others.

Reply #34 posted 08/14/17 4:51pm

PennyPurple

One of the comments under Jill's FB posts states that they were banned because they helped sneak Apples phone out of the case so she could take a selfie in front of her mural on the wall. They were all banned because the rules apply to all.

Who knows?? Jill has been bitching for months now, want's credit for this, credit for that, possibly releasing some songs she shouldn't have.


Wendy and Lisa is wanting a say in the vault.


Eric Benet thinks he's Prince... and his wife wants him to be.

Sheila E is selling items with P's symbol but added a butterfly.


Several books have been written and several more are being written.

It's a never ending circus. Everyone thinks they are entitled to a piece of the Prince pie.

Reply #35 posted 08/14/17 4:52pm

PennyPurple

Vashtix said:

PennyPurple said:

Apples wasn't in the movie because she was something special. P needed someone to take Vanity's place ASAP. It wasn't because she was a great actress, or had a great singing voice, because she was neither of those. She was just in the right place at the right time, and P was in a pinch.

No matter why. Apples was in the movie as it ended up. Sure she was playing Vanity but it does not matter. In the end Apples was on the big screen. That reason alone she deserves to be part of any celebration just as much as the others.

Actually IMO none of them deserve anything & what makes them think that they do?

Reply #36 posted 08/14/17 5:00pm

laurarichardson

malbena said:

Strawberrylova123 said:
The Rev members are turning out to be a bunch of Assholes
What did they do? I'm not following news about them?

They banned Jill, Brenda and Susan despite the fact that they did not take any pictures. I am puzzled as to why Brenda and Susan were banned what did they do to the Revoulution has Susan not even been in the entertainment business for over 30 years. Are bitches holding grudges from 30 years ago?

Many of us have been trying to tell orgers for years about the Melvoins. They are throwing their weight around and I expect the other associates will be banned from Paisley Park events anytime the Revolution is around.

All this from a band that was not even touring until a few months ago.

Reply #37 posted 08/14/17 5:01pm

laurarichardson

PennyPurple said:

Vashtix said:

No matter why. Apples was in the movie as it ended up. Sure she was playing Vanity but it does not matter. In the end Apples was on the big screen. That reason alone she deserves to be part of any celebration just as much as the others.

Actually IMO none of them deserve anything & what makes them think that they do?

What does deserve have to do with wanting to come and visit? Are they giving out golden eggs at the end of the tour.

Reply #38 posted 08/14/17 5:01pm

malbena

PennyPurple said:

 



Vashtix said:


 



PennyPurple said:


Apples wasn't in the movie because she was something special. P needed someone to take Vanity's place ASAP.  It wasn't because she was a great actress, or had a great singing voice, because she was neither of those. She was just in the right place at the right time, and P was in a pinch.


 



No matter why. Apples was in the movie as it ended up. Sure she was playing Vanity but it does not matter. In the end Apples was on the big screen. That reason alone she deserves to be part of any celebration just as much as the others.



Actually IMO none of them deserve anything & what makes them think that they do?



lol There! lol
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Reply #39 posted 08/14/17 5:04pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

I guess after that kind of attack, if it is true, I could understand it.
Not the best way to air greivences, even though it was about Prince.

But tired about what?
Just don't click on it sister

PennyPurple said:

I'm getting tired of the Revolution too.

malbena said:

PennyPurple said: Oh that explains why she got kicked out. The Revolution wanted her away from them. Ouch! Nothing worse than being out of one of the most important band in Prince's world.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #40 posted 08/14/17 5:05pm

bondno9

Vashtix said:

PennyPurple said:

Apples wasn't in the movie because she was something special. P needed someone to take Vanity's place ASAP. It wasn't because she was a great actress, or had a great singing voice, because she was neither of those. She was just in the right place at the right time, and P was in a pinch.

No matter why. Apples was in the movie as it ended up. Sure she was playing Vanity but it does not matter. In the end Apples was on the big screen. That reason alone she deserves to be part of any celebration just as much as the others.

When Prince posted that video on YT of the private concert he gave her back in 2014 at Paisley and ened it with a public thank you to her ... that told me all I needed to know. To publically say thank you to her meant she was something special to HIM. Apollonia has shown noting but respect to Prince even in death. So what that she went after Mayte. We all know P would have done the same if he were alive and that the book would have never seen the light of day. Let's face it. Ain't nobody fighting for this man, I mean truly fighting for him. It's all about the $$$. But hey, Apples don't seem to upset about the "ban". She hasn't talked about it.

Reply #41 posted 08/14/17 5:06pm

malbena

laurarichardson said:

 



malbena said:


Strawberrylova123 said:
The Rev members are turning out to be a bunch of Assholes

What did they do? I'm not following news about them?

They banned Jill, Brenda and Susan despite the fact that they did not take any pictures. I am puzzled as to why Brenda and Susan were banned what did they do to the Revoulution has Susan not even been in the entertainment business for over 30 years.  Are bitches holding grudges from 30 years ago?


 


Many of us have been trying to tell orgers for years about the Melvoins. They are throwing their weight around and I expect the other associates will be banned from Paisley Park events anytime the Revolution is around.


 


All this from a band that was not even touring until a few months ago.


 


 



I knew they disliked Jill but not sure why they have anything to o do with the ban since they were at First Avenue with the Revolution. I understand they asked not to have Jill but not the other ones. Maybe the management did?
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Reply #42 posted 08/14/17 5:06pm

laurarichardson

Militant said:

laurarichardson said:

Militant said: --I love your faith in Kirk. It is hysterical.



What on earth are you talking about? He works there, doesn't he?





Because he works there it does not mean he has any pull. The facilty is managed by Graceland and Kirk is on a contract per the court docs. I am not even so sure he employed by Graceland and I doubt he would be making any management decisions.

I do not think based on his performance on CBS News that he is capable of any executive decisions. I am still trying to figure out how a whole church got stolen while he was running L4OA.

But you keep the faith.

Reply #43 posted 08/14/17 5:08pm

laurarichardson

Do you really think she is going to slack off on them now?

OldFriends4Sale said:

I guess after that kind of attack, if it is true, I could understand it

PennyPurple said:

I'm getting tired of the Revolution too.

Reply #44 posted 08/14/17 5:09pm

malbena

laurarichardson said:

 



PennyPurple said:


 



Vashtix said:


 


No matter why. Apples was in the movie as it ended up. Sure she was playing Vanity but it does not matter. In the end Apples was on the big screen. That reason alone she deserves to be part of any celebration just as much as the others.



Actually IMO none of them deserve anything & what makes them think that they do?



What does deserve have to do with wanting to come and visit? Are they giving out golden eggs at the end of the tour.



lol at Golden eggs.
I think though that PennyPurple is referring to not deserving privileges such as breaking the rules.
This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #45 posted 08/14/17 5:09pm

bondno9

PennyPurple said:

One of the comments under Jill's FB posts states that they were banned because they helped sneak Apples phone out of the case so she could take a selfie in front of her mural on the wall. They were all banned because the rules apply to all.

Who knows?? Jill has been bitching for months now, want's credit for this, credit for that, possibly releasing some songs she shouldn't have.


Wendy and Lisa is wanting a say in the vault.


Eric Benet thinks he's Prince... and his wife wants him to be.

Sheila E is selling items with P's symbol but added a butterfly.


Several books have been written and several more are being written.

It's a never ending circus. Everyone thinks they are entitled to a piece of the Prince pie.

Wait a minute. This whole thing makes no sense. Brenda was present??? At that one event back in April ('17) it was JJ, Apples, Susan, and Omar. Brenda was no where to be seen?

Reply #46 posted 08/14/17 5:12pm

malbena

bondno9 said:

 



Vashtix said:


 



PennyPurple said:


Apples wasn't in the movie because she was something special. P needed someone to take Vanity's place ASAP.  It wasn't because she was a great actress, or had a great singing voice, because she was neither of those. She was just in the right place at the right time, and P was in a pinch.


 



No matter why. Apples was in the movie as it ended up. Sure she was playing Vanity but it does not matter. In the end Apples was on the big screen. That reason alone she deserves to be part of any celebration just as much as the others.



 


When Prince posted that video on YT of the private concert he gave her back in 2014 at Paisley and ened it with a public thank you to her ... that told me all I needed to know.  To publically say thank you to her meant she was something special to HIM.  Apollonia has shown noting but respect to Prince even in death.  So what that she went after Mayte.  We all know P would have done the same if he were alive and that the book would have never seen the light of day. Let's face it.  Ain't nobody fighting for this man, I mean truly fighting for him.  It's all about the $$$.  But hey, Apples don't seem to upset about the "ban".  She hasn't talked about it.  



Please! Prince thanks a whole lot of artists.
If Appolonia is respectful, why this whole sneaky picture taking at Paisley as well as bashing the mother of his son.
This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #47 posted 08/14/17 5:13pm

bondno9

malbena said:

laurarichardson said:

They banned Jill, Brenda and Susan despite the fact that they did not take any pictures. I am puzzled as to why Brenda and Susan were banned what did they do to the Revoulution has Susan not even been in the entertainment business for over 30 years. Are bitches holding grudges from 30 years ago?

Many of us have been trying to tell orgers for years about the Melvoins. They are throwing their weight around and I expect the other associates will be banned from Paisley Park events anytime the Revolution is around.

All this from a band that was not even touring until a few months ago.

I knew they disliked Jill but not sure why they have anything to o do with the ban since they were at First Avenue with the Revolution. I understand they asked not to have Jill but not the other ones. Maybe the management did?

And that's why I"m wondering if this whole thing really has to do with Jill and not some "alleged" photo Apples took. It's really because of Jill that the rest of them were banned due to their association with her, especially Apples.

Reply #48 posted 08/14/17 5:13pm

laurarichardson

malbena said:

laurarichardson said:

What does deserve have to do with wanting to come and visit? Are they giving out golden eggs at the end of the tour.

lol at Golden eggs. I think though that PennyPurple is referring to not deserving privileges such as breaking the rules.

Jill said she was in the air when all this happened.

Reply #49 posted 08/14/17 5:14pm

malbena

laurarichardson said:

 



malbena said:


laurarichardson said:

 


What does deserve have to do with wanting to come and visit? Are they giving out golden eggs at the end of the tour.



lol at Golden eggs. I think though that PennyPurple is referring to not deserving privileges such as breaking the rules.

Jill said she was in the air when all this happened.



Right. But not the rest of the group. Rules apply for them all.
This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #50 posted 08/14/17 5:16pm

bondno9

malbena said:

bondno9 said:

When Prince posted that video on YT of the private concert he gave her back in 2014 at Paisley and ened it with a public thank you to her ... that told me all I needed to know. To publically say thank you to her meant she was something special to HIM. Apollonia has shown noting but respect to Prince even in death. So what that she went after Mayte. We all know P would have done the same if he were alive and that the book would have never seen the light of day. Let's face it. Ain't nobody fighting for this man, I mean truly fighting for him. It's all about the $$$. But hey, Apples don't seem to upset about the "ban". She hasn't talked about it.

Please! Prince thanks a whole lot of artists. If Appolonia is respectful, why this whole sneaky picture taking at Paisley as well as bashing the mother of his son.

Oh please. How did she bash Mayte? Get out of here. She didn't do anything Prince wouldn't have done if he were alive. We all know that book wouldn't have been published if he were alive. Mayte was kicked to the curb by Prince and he had zero contact with her. Those are the facts.

Reply #51 posted 08/14/17 5:16pm

malbena

bondno9 said:

 



malbena said:


laurarichardson said:

 


They banned Jill, Brenda and Susan despite the fact that they did not take any pictures. I am puzzled as to why Brenda and Susan were banned what did they do to the Revoulution has Susan not even been in the entertainment business for over 30 years.  Are bitches holding grudges from 30 years ago?


 


Many of us have been trying to tell orgers for years about the Melvoins. They are throwing their weight around and I expect the other associates will be banned from Paisley Park events anytime the Revolution is around.


 


All this from a band that was not even touring until a few months ago.


 


 



I knew they disliked Jill but not sure why they have anything to o do with the ban since they were at First Avenue with the Revolution. I understand they asked not to have Jill but not the other ones. Maybe the management did?

 


And that's why I"m wondering if this whole thing really has to do with Jill and not some "alleged" photo Apples took. It's really because of Jill that the rest of them were banned due to their association with her, especially Apples.  


 



They showed up at other Revolution concerts since the ban. I think it is management related.
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Reply #52 posted 08/14/17 5:18pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

malbena said:

Strawberrylova123 said: What did they do? I'm not following news about them?

They banned Jill, Brenda and Susan despite the fact that they did not take any pictures. I am puzzled as to why Brenda and Susan were banned what did they do to the Revoulution has Susan not even been in the entertainment business for over 30 years. Are bitches holding grudges from 30 years ago?

Many of us have been trying to tell orgers for years about the Melvoins. They are throwing their weight around and I expect the other associates will be banned from Paisley Park events anytime the Revolution is around.

All this from a band that was not even touring until a few months ago.

Oh boy here goes Laura exaggerating

the Revolution did not ban anyone.
It reads they just didn't want any confrontations with Jill as a result of her FB rant last year.

They had Apollonia at their show last year for all 3 nights, and Brenda was there for 2. Susan couldn't make it.
Not to mention BobbyZ Fink Dez Andre had Apollonia @ the 2nd or 3rd My Purple Heart event

Apollonia tried to get Apollonia 6 on the October 2016 Tribute show but they were rejected from that. I don't the Revolution had anything to do with that

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Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #53 posted 08/14/17 5:18pm

malbena

bondno9 said:

 



malbena said:


bondno9 said:

 


 


When Prince posted that video on YT of the private concert he gave her back in 2014 at Paisley and ened it with a public thank you to her ... that told me all I needed to know.  To publically say thank you to her meant she was something special to HIM.  Apollonia has shown noting but respect to Prince even in death.  So what that she went after Mayte.  We all know P would have done the same if he were alive and that the book would have never seen the light of day. Let's face it.  Ain't nobody fighting for this man, I mean truly fighting for him.  It's all about the $$$.  But hey, Apples don't seem to upset about the "ban".  She hasn't talked about it.  



Please! Prince thanks a whole lot of artists. If Appolonia is respectful, why this whole sneaky picture taking at Paisley as well as bashing the mother of his son.

 


Oh please.  How did she bash Mayte?  Get out of here.  She didn't do anything Prince wouldn't have done if he were alive.  We all know that book wouldn't have been published if he were alive.  Mayte was kicked to the curb by Prince and he had zero contact with her.  Those are the facts.



Oh you must have missed the Facebook posts Appolonia later removed due to the Mayte crusaders coming to the .. rescue. Appolonia got eaten alive.
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Reply #54 posted 08/14/17 5:23pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

why would she keep going?

4 what?

Her issues in 2016, which were really about Prince, she vented.

Is there an issue between Kirk & Jill?

laurarichardson said:

Do you really think she is going to slack off on them now?

OldFriends4Sale said:

I guess after that kind of attack, if it is true, I could understand it

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #55 posted 08/14/17 5:26pm

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2

Graceland management lets you take all the photos you want at elvis's place...I totally understand why prince did not want photos taken while he was alive as paisley park was his sanctuary. But i don't see the sense of it now, as it is open to the public, I would think now with social media, paisley park would be getting massive free advertising if all the people that visited posted about it. It's no secret what they have on display so what's the deal? once you open a space up to the public what is the point of the hardcore photo stance?
Reply #56 posted 08/14/17 5:27pm

SoulAlive

malbena said:

SoulAlive said:

This is ridiculous.PP should be asking these ladies to appear at special events.How cool would it be to see an Apollonia 6 reunion performance at a future event?  



Cool??? Appolonia is falling apart physically and mentally.


oh I get it....you're judging somebody because they had plastic surgery rolleyes
Reply #57 posted 08/14/17 5:28pm

malbena

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Graceland management lets you take all the photos you want at elvis's place...I totally understand why prince did not want photos taken while he was alive as paisley park was his sanctuary. But i don't see the sense of it now, as it is open to the public, I would think now with social media, paisley park would be getting massive free advertising if all the people that visited posted about it. It's no secret what they have on display so what's the deal? once you open a space up to the public what is the point of the hardcore photo stance?


Maybe because they charge for photos at Paisley?
This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #58 posted 08/14/17 5:30pm

Zannaloaf

PennyPurple said:

I'm getting tired of the Revolution too.

malbena said:

PennyPurple said: Oh that explains why she got kicked out. The Revolution wanted her away from them. Ouch! Nothing worse than being out of one of the most important band in Prince's world.

but not tired enough to stop talking about them.

Reply #59 posted 08/14/17 5:31pm

malbena

SoulAlive said:

malbena said:



Cool??? Appolonia is falling apart physically and mentally.


oh I get it....you're judging somebody because they had plastic surgery rolleyes


Keep putting words in my mouth so people can see.
I am not judging based on plastic surgery especially if for medical reasons. I am judging Appolonia for bashing other people, being sneaky, and more. I don't like her look period. Plastic surgery for one does not look good on some people especially when overdine AND trying to look sexy at 69years old is ugly. This is my opinion.
This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #60 posted 08/14/17 5:36pm

PennyPurple

Zannaloaf said:

PennyPurple said:

I'm getting tired of the Revolution too.

but not tired enough to stop talking about them.

Wendy??? Is that you ???? lol

Reply #61 posted 08/14/17 5:40pm

Tresha68

PennyPurple said:

Good, as much bitching as Jill Jones and Apples have been doing, they can stay away. Evidently PP doesn't think that they are anything special either.



yes
Reply #62 posted 08/14/17 5:45pm

Vashtix

SoulAlive said:

malbena said:



Cool??? Appolonia is falling apart physically and mentally.


oh I get it....you're judging somebody because they had plastic surgery rolleyes

That does not takeaway from who Apples is to Prince. Purple Rain is what catapulted him to Icon status.
.
This just does not seem appropriate. We cannot pick and choose who we want or do not want to be part of the history of Prince. Apples should not be shunned.
Reply #63 posted 08/14/17 5:50pm

malbena

Vashtix said:

SoulAlive said:



oh I get it....you're judging somebody because they had plastic surgery rolleyes

That does not takeaway from who Apples is to Prince. Purple Rain is what catapulted him to Icon status.
.
This just does not seem appropriate. We cannot pick and choose who we want or do not want to be part of the history of Prince. Apples should not be shunned.


For the love of life, Vashtix lol , yes we know Appolonia was in Purple Rain but sadly I must say... I don't care!
Much love!
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Reply #64 posted 08/14/17 5:59pm

Vashtix

malbena said:

Vashtix said:


That does not takeaway from who Apples is to Prince. Purple Rain is what catapulted him to Icon status.
.
This just does not seem appropriate. We cannot pick and choose who we want or do not want to be part of the history of Prince. Apples should not be shunned.


For the love of life, Vashtix lol , yes we know Appolonia was in Purple Rain but sadly I must say... I don't care!
Much love!

We cannot rewrite history. It is as it is.
Reply #65 posted 08/14/17 6:04pm

malbena

Vashtix said:

malbena said:



For the love of life, Vashtix lol , yes we know Appolonia was in Purple Rain but sadly I must say... I don't care!
Much love!

We cannot rewrite history. It is as it is.


Alright, honey! smile and don't forget... Appolonia was in Purple Rain. Purple Rain propelled Prince to stardom. Purple Rain is iconic.
This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #66 posted 08/14/17 6:32pm

laurarichardson

malbena said:

bondno9 said:

When Prince posted that video on YT of the private concert he gave her back in 2014 at Paisley and ened it with a public thank you to her ... that told me all I needed to know. To publically say thank you to her meant she was something special to HIM. Apollonia has shown noting but respect to Prince even in death. So what that she went after Mayte. We all know P would have done the same if he were alive and that the book would have never seen the light of day. Let's face it. Ain't nobody fighting for this man, I mean truly fighting for him. It's all about the $$$. But hey, Apples don't seem to upset about the "ban". She hasn't talked about it.

Please! Prince thanks a whole lot of artists. If Appolonia is respectful, why this whole sneaky picture taking at Paisley as well as bashing the mother of his son.

Because the mother of his son is exploiting that child's death to make a dollar. Do you honestly think Prince would have been okay with her writing that book? I mean honestly did Prince ever talk about his son to the media?Did Prince even talk about Mayte to the media once they divorced.

Prince had friends and they have a right to voice their opinion. As far as Jill is concerned she has no filter and that makes me believe what she has to say and the Melvoins have had their detractors in the past Jill not so much.

I expect that the filter is not going to be placed on Jill now and the Melvions may have really fucked up as they pursue a paycheck from the estate and try to negate Jill and all of the other associates.

[Edited 8/14/17 18:40pm]

Reply #67 posted 08/14/17 6:36pm

Vashtix

malbena said:

Vashtix said:
We cannot rewrite history. It is as it is.
Alright, honey! smile and don't forget... Appolonia was in Purple Rain. Purple Rain propelled Prince to stardom. Purple Rain is iconic.

It is all true.

Reply #68 posted 08/14/17 6:39pm

laurarichardson

Jill called Kirk a lying ass on her Facebook page after the search warrants were releashed. I do not know what he told her but it obviously was not the truth and it amazes me that know one notices that the police found him uncooperative and not helpful at all but he is a person that can be trusted?

Jill might be the only person who sees him for what he is and knows what he lied to her about.

She has vented about more than just about Prince and we do not know all that she knows.

Real talk I just thank the Melvoins cannot stand her because she was dating Prince the same time that Susannah was as well as Sheila E. The Melvoins need to get over dude was running around on all the women and the Melvoins seemed to be the only ones that cannot let that shit go.

I actually think they think they owned Prince like he was their piece of the rock or bank. If someone told me to renounce my sexuality I would not give them the time of day but these chicks keep coming back. Why do you think that is? $$$$$ They want to have a say on that vault and that would mean money for them.

OldFriends4Sale said:

why would she keep going?

4 what?

Her issues in 2016, which were really about Prince, she vented.

Is there an issue between Kirk & Jill?

laurarichardson said:

Do you really think she is going to slack off on them now?

Reply #69 posted 08/14/17 6:39pm

malbena

laurarichardson said:

 



malbena said:


bondno9 said:

 


 


When Prince posted that video on YT of the private concert he gave her back in 2014 at Paisley and ened it with a public thank you to her ... that told me all I needed to know.  To publically say thank you to her meant she was something special to HIM.  Apollonia has shown noting but respect to Prince even in death.  So what that she went after Mayte.  We all know P would have done the same if he were alive and that the book would have never seen the light of day. Let's face it.  Ain't nobody fighting for this man, I mean truly fighting for him.  It's all about the $$$.  But hey, Apples don't seem to upset about the "ban".  She hasn't talked about it.  



Please! Prince thanks a whole lot of artists. If Appolonia is respectful, why this whole sneaky picture taking at Paisley as well as bashing the mother of his son.

Because the mother of his son is exploiting that child's death to make a dollar. Do you honestly think Prince would have been okay with her writing that book?  I mean honestly did Prince ever talk about his son to the media?Did  Prince even talk about Mayte to the media once they divorced.


 


Prince had friends and they have a right to voice their opinion. As far as Jill is concerned she has no filter and that makes me believe what she has to say and the Melvoins have had their detractors in the past Jill not so much.


 


I expect that the filter is not going to be placed on Jill now and the Melvions may have really fucked up as they pursue a paycheck from the estate and try to negate all of the other associates.


 


 


 


 


 



As much as Prince would have fought the book, would not want anything to do with Mayte and what not, he would have not allowed self-claimed close friends to bash her publicly. He would handle this privately and/or legally. Appolonia is surely trying to be in the limelight.
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Reply #70 posted 08/14/17 6:43pm

laurarichardson

malbena said:

laurarichardson said:

Because the mother of his son is exploiting that child's death to make a dollar. Do you honestly think Prince would have been okay with her writing that book? I mean honestly did Prince ever talk about his son to the media?Did Prince even talk about Mayte to the media once they divorced.

Prince had friends and they have a right to voice their opinion. As far as Jill is concerned she has no filter and that makes me believe what she has to say and the Melvoins have had their detractors in the past Jill not so much.

I expect that the filter is not going to be placed on Jill now and the Melvions may have really fucked up as they pursue a paycheck from the estate and try to negate all of the other associates.

As much as Prince would have fought the book, would not want anything to do with Mayte and what not, he would have not allowed self-claimed close friends to bash her publicly. He would handle this privately and/or legally. Appolonia is surely trying to be in the limelight.

Maybe Appolonia just does not like her. We do not know what this chick is like behind closed doors. We saw her throwing glasses and screaming at people on Hollywood Ex's so maybe she is a brat in real life. I am not sure why whenever someone has something to say about Mayte they want to be in the limelight as if anyone in the media cares about someone on the D list but I guess Mayte is not trying to reclaim her fame in any way shape or form?

Reply #71 posted 08/14/17 6:50pm

malbena

laurarichardson said:

malbena said:

laurarichardson said: As much as Prince would have fought the book, would not want anything to do with Mayte and what not, he would have not allowed self-claimed close friends to bash her publicly. He would handle this privately and/or legally. Appolonia is surely trying to be in the limelight.

Maybe Appolonia just does not like her. We do not know what this chick is like behind closed doors. We saw her throwing glasses and screaming at people on Hollywood Ex's so maybe she is a brat in real life. I am not sure why whenever someone has something to say about Mayte they want to be in the limelight as if anyone in the media cares about someone on the D list but I guess Mayte is not trying to reclaim her fame in any way shape or form?

We didn't hear as much from other associates who have had strong opinions against Mayte. But when Appolonia self proclaims she is his widow, that they kissed (can you seriously envision Prince kiss her???), and revealing personal conversations she says they had, ...I definitely say she wants to be in the limelight as much as she can.

As for Mayte, maybe she too wants a piece of that but she did not throw any shades ...at least publicly.

This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #72 posted 08/14/17 6:58pm

Vashtix

malbena said:

laurarichardson said:

Maybe Appolonia just does not like her. We do not know what this chick is like behind closed doors. We saw her throwing glasses and screaming at people on Hollywood Ex's so maybe she is a brat in real life. I am not sure why whenever someone has something to say about Mayte they want to be in the limelight as if anyone in the media cares about someone on the D list but I guess Mayte is not trying to reclaim her fame in any way shape or form?

We didn't hear as much from other associates who have had strong opinions against Mayte. But when Appolonia self proclaims she is his widow, that they kissed (can you seriously envision Prince kiss her???), and revealing personal conversations she says they had, ...I definitely say she wants to be in the limelight as much as she can.

As for Mayte, maybe she too wants a piece of that but she did not throw any shades ...at least publicly.

dp

[Edited 8/14/17 18:59pm]

Reply #73 posted 08/14/17 7:18pm

morningsong

Can you feel the love tonight...

Yeah, the synergy is running deep. Can't follow a simple rule. Because _________? Fill in the blank.

“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
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Reply #74 posted 08/14/17 7:27pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

I guess you all forgot Jill use to diss Prince on her Facebook page while he was alive, right?

eek

Reply #75 posted 08/14/17 7:39pm

purplethunder3121

hmm

You can walk a mile in my shoes. But you can't dance a step in my feet.
Reply #76 posted 08/14/17 7:53pm

Zannaloaf

This thread is hilarious. So many of you involved in the righteous indignation are the same posters who constantly dog other peoples FB posts or comments...meanwile you blindly champion stories from these ladies that you have no clue about being true or not.
The hypocrisy is staggering.

Reply #77 posted 08/14/17 7:54pm

Zannaloaf

PennyPurple said:

Vashtix said:

No matter why. Apples was in the movie as it ended up. Sure she was playing Vanity but it does not matter. In the end Apples was on the big screen. That reason alone she deserves to be part of any celebration just as much as the others.

Actually IMO none of them deserve anything & what makes them think that they do?

What makes you think your opinion is even close to mattering?

Reply #78 posted 08/14/17 8:00pm

malbena

Zannaloaf said:

This thread is hilarious. So many of you involved in the righteous indignation are the same posters who constantly dog other peoples FB posts or comments...meanwile you blindly champion stories from these ladies that you have no clue about being true or not.
The hypocrisy is staggering. 



Welcome to the club!
If you make such a claim, I'll take it you too have been looking. Otherwise, how would you know?wink
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Reply #79 posted 08/14/17 11:12pm

pricetag

Sounds like PP are doing Prince a favor by keeping The Wayward sisters out. Lord knows he tried hard enough to keep these losers at a distance when he was alive. I'll admit that Miko is a good guitarist, though. He really should have made more of his post Prince career.

Reply #80 posted 08/15/17 12:33am

paulludvig

Why was Miko banned?

The wooh is on the one!
Reply #81 posted 08/15/17 1:00am

SoulAlive

I especially feel bad for Brenda and Susan confused they seem like sweet,drama-free ladies who have been totally respectful all this time

Reply #82 posted 08/15/17 1:52am

laurarichardson

pricetag said:

Sounds like PP are doing Prince a favor by keeping The Wayward sisters out. Lord knows he tried hard enough to keep these losers at a distance when he was alive. I'll admit that Miko is a good guitarist, though. He really should have made more of his post Prince career.


--Really because Jill was on a plane while the pic was being taken and she is being put out because she does not kiss the ass of the Melvoin's and that is the only reason. Funny if Prince were doing this you would have a non stop bitch fest in this board but those two hags can get away with anything.
Reply #83 posted 08/15/17 2:27am

clairew1975

So Brenda and Susan get banned because they helped Apollonia sneak out her phone to take a picture of herself next to the mural with a picture of herself on it. LOL!!

They turn up to Morris' show but can't get passes. Were they invited? Had they paid for tickets to the show or just turned up? There's more to this story.

Reply #84 posted 08/15/17 4:27am

PennyPurple

Zannaloaf said:

PennyPurple said:

Actually IMO none of them deserve anything & what makes them think that they do?

What makes you think your opinion is even close to mattering?

And your opinion is suppose to matter, Wendy? lol

Reply #85 posted 08/15/17 4:32am

PennyPurple

laurarichardson said:

--Really because Jill was on a plane while the pic was being taken and she is being put out because she does not kiss the ass of the Melvoin's and that is the only reason. Funny if Prince were doing this you would have a non stop bitch fest in this board but those two hags can get away with anything.

How did the Melvoin's all of a sudden get such pull?

Reply #86 posted 08/15/17 4:56am

laurarichardson

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

--Really because Jill was on a plane while the pic was being taken and she is being put out because she does not kiss the ass of the Melvoin's and that is the only reason. Funny if Prince were doing this you would have a non stop bitch fest in this board but those two hags can get away with anything.

How did the Melvoin's all of a sudden get such pull?

I think the Graceland people wanted the Revolution to perform and so they had to listen to their demands concerning Jill. I hope they realize that while Apples should not have taken a picture her pic is in the damm museum and some associates have personal things in Paisley Park.

Those people can make it known to the public what is going on and ask for their pics and belongings to be removed. This is not a good look for Paisley Park.

Reply #87 posted 08/15/17 5:39am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

--Really because Jill was on a plane while the pic was being taken and she is being put out because she does not kiss the ass of the Melvoin's and that is the only reason. Funny if Prince were doing this you would have a non stop bitch fest in this board but those two hags can get away with anything.

How did the Melvoin's all of a sudden get such pull?

People are creating that hype

This is all a soap opera for some people

so you know people embellish and create drama and static where there is none

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #88 posted 08/15/17 5:52am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

I think a lot of people have went after Kirk.

I don't know much of Jill & Kirks history. I don't think they know each other.
I remember Apollonia talking about how she tried to get to Prince, but didn't think Kirk was getting her messages to him.

I mean the vent last Sept was about Prince and Jills career. the Revolution ws gone in 1986. But Prince & Jills relationship was static into 1990 and then they never spoke again until 2016 when Prince was reaching out to everyone.

Real Talk: Lisa & Wendy posted on their FB page March 2016 in response to someone saying Jills talent was wasted. They said 'I heart Jill Jones 2! Not wasted though. She still makes music. XO

that isn't the post of someone who cannot stand Jill Jones.

If the issue was who dated Prince then they would not have been cool with Sheila E.

Jill Jones is a married woman.

First of all they have money. Second of all they should have a say on the Vault.

laurarichardson said:

Jill called Kirk a lying ass on her Facebook page after the search warrants were releashed. I do not know what he told her but it obviously was not the truth and it amazes me that know one notices that the police found him uncooperative and not helpful at all but he is a person that can be trusted?

Jill might be the only person who sees him for what he is and knows what he lied to her about.

She has vented about more than just about Prince and we do not know all that she knows.

Real talk I just thank the Melvoins cannot stand her because she was dating Prince the same time that Susannah was as well as Sheila E. The Melvoins need to get over dude was running around on all the women and the Melvoins seemed to be the only ones that cannot let that shit go.

I actually think they think they owned Prince like he was their piece of the rock or bank. If someone told me to renounce my sexuality I would not give them the time of day but these chicks keep coming back. Why do you think that is? $$$$$ They want to have a say on that vault and that would mean money for them.

OldFriends4Sale said:

why would she keep going?

4 what?

Her issues in 2016, which were really about Prince, she vented.

Is there an issue between Kirk & Jill?

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #89 posted 08/15/17 6:38am

Superfan1984

laurarichardson said:

malbena said:

laurarichardson said: As much as Prince would have fought the book, would not want anything to do with Mayte and what not, he would have not allowed self-claimed close friends to bash her publicly. He would handle this privately and/or legally. Appolonia is surely trying to be in the limelight.

Maybe Appolonia just does not like her. We do not know what this chick is like behind closed doors. We saw her throwing glasses and screaming at people on Hollywood Ex's so maybe she is a brat in real life. I am not sure why whenever someone has something to say about Mayte they want to be in the limelight as if anyone in the media cares about someone on the D list but I guess Mayte is not trying to reclaim her fame in any way shape or form?

.

[Edited 8/15/17 7:12am]

Reply #90 posted 08/15/17 6:51am

rogifan

I find it interesting that there seems to be none of this drama around NPG-era associates. Clearly there is more to the story here that we don’t know about. And I don’t trust that any of them are giving us the whole truth. As far as Bruno Mars goes the only photo I saw of him was from the spot in Studio B where VIP ticket purchasers are allowed to have their photo taken. Same thing with Duff McKagen from Guns ‘n’ Roses.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #91 posted 08/15/17 6:59am

CatB

rogifan said:

I find it interesting that there seems to be none of this drama around NPG-era associates. Clearly there is more to the story here that we don’t know about. And I don’t trust that any of them are giving us the whole truth. As far as Bruno Mars goes the only photo I saw of him was from the spot in Studio B where VIP ticket purchasers are allowed to have their photo taken. Same thing with Duff McKagen from Guns ‘n’ Roses.



THIS. And people keep feeding them with their energy, not realizing that they are being drawn into business they had no part in and that those in question don't give a shit about them.


"Time is space spent with U"
Reply #92 posted 08/15/17 7:15am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

rogifan said:

I find it interesting that there seems to be none of this drama around NPG-era associates. Clearly there is more to the story here that we don’t know about. And I don’t trust that any of them are giving us the whole truth. As far as Bruno Mars goes the only photo I saw of him was from the spot in Studio B where VIP ticket purchasers are allowed to have their photo taken. Same thing with Duff McKagen from Guns ‘n’ Roses.

well Kirk Mayte are NPG era associates with the highest level of drama around them.

not to mention Elisa F

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #93 posted 08/15/17 7:15am

clairew1975

Well the "hoopla" must have been huge to get a ban the next day to Morris' show.

There's more to this story....

Reply #94 posted 08/15/17 7:31am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



rogifan said:


I find it interesting that there seems to be none of this drama around NPG-era associates. Clearly there is more to the story here that we don’t know about. And I don’t trust that any of them are giving us the whole truth. As far as Bruno Mars goes the only photo I saw of him was from the spot in Studio B where VIP ticket purchasers are allowed to have their photo taken. Same thing with Duff McKagen from Guns ‘n’ Roses.

 


 


well Kirk Mayte are NPG era associates with the highest level of drama around them.


not to mention Elisa F


Good points
Reply #95 posted 08/15/17 7:32am

laurarichardson

clairew1975 said:

Well the "hoopla" must have been huge to get a ban the next day to Morris' show.


 


There's more to this story....


I wonder if Morris even knew she was banned from seeing his show. I know she has made a few appearances with Jerome Benton.
Reply #96 posted 08/15/17 7:50am

nelcp777

If they violated the rules of PP, then a ban is understandable. All this drama is a mess. It will explode one day.

Reply #97 posted 08/15/17 7:57am

babynoz

rogifan said:

I find it interesting that there seems to be none of this drama around NPG-era associates. Clearly there is more to the story here that we don’t know about. And I don’t trust that any of them are giving us the whole truth. As far as Bruno Mars goes the only photo I saw of him was from the spot in Studio B where VIP ticket purchasers are allowed to have their photo taken. Same thing with Duff McKagen from Guns ‘n’ Roses.



nod

That's why I keep saying how silly it is for people to take sides and engage in these stan wars. Allowing themselves to be triggered by every little tidbit of gossip on social media is pretty juvenile, especially since it's been more than a year now.

Find something else to do and leave poor Bruno out of it already.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #98 posted 08/15/17 8:00am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

well Kirk Mayte are NPG era associates with the highest level of drama around them.

not to mention Elisa F

Good points

add Judith Hill to that list

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #99 posted 08/15/17 8:09am

malbena

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



rogifan said:


I find it interesting that there seems to be none of this drama around NPG-era associates. Clearly there is more to the story here that we don’t know about. And I don’t trust that any of them are giving us the whole truth. As far as Bruno Mars goes the only photo I saw of him was from the spot in Studio B where VIP ticket purchasers are allowed to have their photo taken. Same thing with Duff McKagen from Guns ‘n’ Roses.

 


 


well Kirk Mayte are NPG era associates with the highest level of drama around them.


not to mention Elisa F


Good points


This!
This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #100 posted 08/15/17 8:10am

malbena

clairew1975 said:

Well the "hoopla" must have been huge to get a ban the next day to Morris' show.


 


There's more to this story....



Agreed. Who gets a ban from Paisley and Morris?
This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #101 posted 08/15/17 8:13am

rogifan

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



rogifan said:


I find it interesting that there seems to be none of this drama around NPG-era associates. Clearly there is more to the story here that we don’t know about. And I don’t trust that any of them are giving us the whole truth. As far as Bruno Mars goes the only photo I saw of him was from the spot in Studio B where VIP ticket purchasers are allowed to have their photo taken. Same thing with Duff McKagen from Guns ‘n’ Roses.

 


 


well Kirk Mayte are NPG era associates with the highest level of drama around them.


not to mention Elisa F


Well Kirk is a special case of course. But he is touring with NPG and apparently is still involved with Paisley Park so is there really a lot of drama around himb I’m not sure what drama is around Mayte other than some don’t like that she wrote a book. She performed at the BET awards with Sheila and is friendly with Shelby. The only drama (if you can call it that) I’ve seen with Elisa is when she criticized Shelby for the timing of her album release but she quickly walked it back. But like I said I don’t think we know The whole story here. It doesn’t pass the smell test to me.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #102 posted 08/15/17 8:16am

rogifan

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



laurarichardson said:


OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


 


well Kirk Mayte are NPG era associates with the highest level of drama around them.


not to mention Elisa F



Good points

 


add Judith Hill to that list


What is the drama with Judith? Has she been banned from things? She’s been performing with Shelby & Liv...
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #103 posted 08/15/17 8:42am

morningsong

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Graceland management lets you take all the photos you want at elvis's place...I totally understand why prince did not want photos taken while he was alive as paisley park was his sanctuary. But i don't see the sense of it now, as it is open to the public, I would think now with social media, paisley park would be getting massive free advertising if all the people that visited posted about it. It's no secret what they have on display so what's the deal? once you open a space up to the public what is the point of the hardcore photo stance?




All I got to say is, where were these folks on April 21,2016 at 3am? In their own house doing exactly what they wanted to do perhaps? All of them. Why are they constantly goading the fanbase into these petty azzed squabbles over stupid stuff? If you check the org even the fanbase was chomping at the bit because instinctually we knew something was wrong and wanted to be there on watch. So. Ask me again about who gets the privilege of not following the simple rules in Prince's final resting place?

Needed fixing.
[Edited 8/15/17 10:57am]
“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #104 posted 08/15/17 8:51am

babynoz

rogifan said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

well Kirk Mayte are NPG era associates with the highest level of drama around them.

not to mention Elisa F

Well Kirk is a special case of course. But he is touring with NPG and apparently is still involved with Paisley Park so is there really a lot of drama around himb I’m not sure what drama is around Mayte other than some don’t like that she wrote a book. She performed at the BET awards with Sheila and is friendly with Shelby. The only drama (if you can call it that) I’ve seen with Elisa is when she criticized Shelby for the timing of her album release but she quickly walked it back. But like I said I don’t think we know The whole story here. It doesn’t pass the smell test to me.



Agreed.

Technically speaking doesn't Kirk Predate the NPG era? In any case I haven't seen him whining on social media.

I have said the same thing from day one, with the exception of Prince's family all of these people who put themselves out there are fair game, which is why I won't cape for any of them no matter who it is. Prince was never shielded from scrutiny when he put himself out there, so there are no special snowflakes in this situation.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #105 posted 08/15/17 8:57am

babynoz

morningsong said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:
Graceland management lets you take all the photos you want at elvis's place...I totally understand why prince did not want photos taken while he was alive as paisley park was his sanctuary. But i don't see the sense of it now, as it is open to the public, I would think now with social media, paisley park would be getting massive free advertising if all the people that visited posted about it. It's no secret what they have on display so what's the deal? once you open a space up to the public what is the point of the hardcore photo stance?
All I got to say is, where were these folks on April 20,2016 at 3am? In their own house doing exactly what they wanted to do perhaps? All of them. Why are they constantly goading the fanbase into these petty azzed squabbles over stupid stuff? If you check the org even the fanbase was chomping at the bit because instinctually we knew something was wrong and wanted to be there on watch. So. Ask me again about who gets the privilege of not following the simple rules in Prince's final resting place?



Bravo! That is exactly what the fuck it boils down to.

I understand that all of us were caught off guard and reacting to all sorts of provocations but it's been over a year now and all of these instigators need to crawl right back where they were on 4-20-16!

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #106 posted 08/15/17 9:37am

malbena

morningsong said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Graceland management lets you take all the photos you want at elvis's place...I totally understand why prince did not want photos taken while he was alive as paisley park was his sanctuary. But i don't see the sense of it now, as it is open to the public, I would think now with social media, paisley park would be getting massive free advertising if all the people that visited posted about it. It's no secret what they have on display so what's the deal? once you open a space up to the public what is the point of the hardcore photo stance?




All I got to say is, where were these folks on April 20,2016 at 3am? In their own house doing exactly what they wanted to do perhaps? All of them. Why are they constantly goading the fanbase into these petty azzed squabbles over stupid stuff? If you check the org even the fanbase was chomping at the bit because instinctually we knew something was wrong and wanted to be there on watch. So. Ask me again about who gets the privilege of not following the simple rules in Prince's final resting place?


Exactly, Morning! Who gets that privilege?
This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #107 posted 08/15/17 9:38am

malbena

rogifan said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



laurarichardson said:


OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


 


well Kirk Mayte are NPG era associates with the highest level of drama around them.


not to mention Elisa F



Good points

 


add Judith Hill to that list


What is the drama with Judith? Has she been banned from things? She’s been performing with Shelby & Liv...


I'm thinking her association with Eric Benet might have triggered some resentment. But she doesn't seem to let drama affect her.
This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #108 posted 08/15/17 10:06am

laurarichardson

babynoz said:

 



rogifan said:


I find it interesting that there seems to be none of this drama around NPG-era associates. Clearly there is more to the story here that we don’t know about. And I don’t trust that any of them are giving us the whole truth. As far as Bruno Mars goes the only photo I saw of him was from the spot in Studio B where VIP ticket purchasers are allowed to have their photo taken. Same thing with Duff McKagen from Guns ‘n’ Roses.



nod

That's why I keep saying how silly it is for people to take sides and engage in these stan wars. Allowing themselves to be triggered by every little tidbit of gossip on social media is pretty juvenile, especially since it's been more than a year now. 

Find something else to do and leave poor Bruno out of it already. 


Then why are you bothering to respond?
Reply #109 posted 08/15/17 10:07am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



laurarichardson said:


OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


 


well Kirk Mayte are NPG era associates with the highest level of drama around them.


not to mention Elisa F



Good points

 


add Judith Hill to that list


-- Maybe she broke up with Kirk.
Reply #110 posted 08/15/17 10:09am

laurarichardson

babynoz said:

 



rogifan said:


OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


 


well Kirk Mayte are NPG era associates with the highest level of drama around them.


not to mention Elisa F



Well Kirk is a special case of course. But he is touring with NPG and apparently is still involved with Paisley Park so is there really a lot of drama around himb I’m not sure what drama is around Mayte other than some don’t like that she wrote a book. She performed at the BET awards with Sheila and is friendly with Shelby. The only drama (if you can call it that) I’ve seen with Elisa is when she criticized Shelby for the timing of her album release but she quickly walked it back. But like I said I don’t think we know The whole story here. It doesn’t pass the smell test to me.



Agreed. 

Technically speaking doesn't Kirk Predate the NPG era? In any case I haven't seen him whining on social media. 

I have said the same thing from day one, with the exception of Prince's family all of these people who put themselves out there are fair game, which is why I won't cape for any of them no matter who it is. Prince was never shielded from scrutiny when he put himself out there, so there are no special snowflakes in this situation. 


What does he have to whine about he gets to sit in his boss's chair and pretend to be smart.
Reply #111 posted 08/15/17 10:11am

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2

morningsong said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Graceland management lets you take all the photos you want at elvis's place...I totally understand why prince did not want photos taken while he was alive as paisley park was his sanctuary. But i don't see the sense of it now, as it is open to the public, I would think now with social media, paisley park would be getting massive free advertising if all the people that visited posted about it. It's no secret what they have on display so what's the deal? once you open a space up to the public what is the point of the hardcore photo stance?




All I got to say is, where were these folks on April 20,2016 at 3am? In their own house doing exactly what they wanted to do perhaps? All of them. Why are they constantly goading the fanbase into these petty azzed squabbles over stupid stuff? If you check the org even the fanbase was chomping at the bit because instinctually we knew something was wrong and wanted to be there on watch. So. Ask me again about who gets the privilege of not following the simple rules in Prince's final resting place?





My statement was not a comment on the ladies behavior, lots of people have had childish behavior before and after princes death, my comment is simply about the policy of no photos, and not really understanding how that policy benefits paisley park at this point in time...as far as princes final resting place being in the lobby of what is now a tourist attraction people are charged to enter, and can stop and pay their respects (after paying the fee of course) is beyond strange and I am still dumbfounded by this descion. And Yes totally appropriate for his remains to be at paisley but on display...no...his bedroom of limits...his remains yes that is included...and I did not bring this up, you did, but is an example in my opinion of very strange management...
Reply #112 posted 08/15/17 10:12am

babynoz

laurarichardson said:

babynoz said:



nod

That's why I keep saying how silly it is for people to take sides and engage in these stan wars. Allowing themselves to be triggered by every little tidbit of gossip on social media is pretty juvenile, especially since it's been more than a year now.

Find something else to do and leave poor Bruno out of it already.

Then why are you bothering to respond?



Because I have a POV and you are not a moderator. Thanks for proving once again that a stuck pig will squeal though.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #113 posted 08/15/17 11:03am

morningsong

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

morningsong said:
All I got to say is, where were these folks on April 20,2016 at 3am? In their own house doing exactly what they wanted to do perhaps? All of them. Why are they constantly goading the fanbase into these petty azzed squabbles over stupid stuff? If you check the org even the fanbase was chomping at the bit because instinctually we knew something was wrong and wanted to be there on watch. So. Ask me again about who gets the privilege of not following the simple rules in Prince's final resting place?
My statement was not a comment on the ladies behavior, lots of people have had childish behavior before and after princes death, my comment is simply about the policy of no photos, and not really understanding how that policy benefits paisley park at this point in time...as far as princes final resting place being in the lobby of what is now a tourist attraction people are charged to enter, and can stop and pay their respects (after paying the fee of course) is beyond strange and I am still dumbfounded by this descion. And Yes totally appropriate for his remains to be at paisley but on display...no...his bedroom of limits...his remains yes that is included...and I did not bring this up, you did, but is an example in my opinion of very strange management...



Who cares. It's HIS house and those are the rule in it. Nobody's going to keel over and die because they can't take their own pictures. We already know how he personally felt about random pictures anyway. So build a bridge and get over it. Far more necessary items to deal with.

“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #114 posted 08/15/17 11:27am

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2

morningsong said:

 



LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:


morningsong said:
All I got to say is, where were these folks on April 20,2016 at 3am? In their own house doing exactly what they wanted to do perhaps? All of them. Why are they constantly goading the fanbase into these petty azzed squabbles over stupid stuff? If you check the org even the fanbase was chomping at the bit because instinctually we knew something was wrong and wanted to be there on watch. So. Ask me again about who gets the privilege of not following the simple rules in Prince's final resting place?

My statement was not a comment on the ladies behavior, lots of people have had childish behavior before and after princes death, my comment is simply about the policy of no photos, and not really understanding how that policy benefits paisley park at this point in time...as far as princes final resting place being in the lobby of what is now a tourist attraction people are charged to enter, and can stop and pay their respects (after paying the fee of course) is beyond strange and I am still dumbfounded by this descion. And Yes totally appropriate for his remains to be at paisley but on display...no...his bedroom of limits...his remains yes that is included...and I did not bring this up, you did, but is an example in my opinion of very strange management...



Who cares.  It's HIS house and those are the rule in it.  Nobody's going to keel over and die because they can't take their own pictures. We already know how he personally felt about random pictures anyway. So build a bridge and get over it. Far more necessary items to deal with.






Well actually if they let people take photos, that would be one less thing to worry about, and they could have more time to deal with the more "necessary" stuff...and if they were going by princes wishes for no photos inside paisley park, then they would not give you the option to buy photos? Right, or the photos that you pay for are prince approved?...I was not starting a fight with you, I just pointed out that you can take pictures at Graceland, so now I will build a bridge and get over it as you suggested...
Reply #115 posted 08/15/17 11:28am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

rogifan said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

well Kirk Mayte are NPG era associates with the highest level of drama around them.

not to mention Elisa F

Well Kirk is a special case of course. But he is touring with NPG and apparently is still involved with Paisley Park so is there really a lot of drama around himb I’m not sure what drama is around Mayte other than some don’t like that she wrote a book. She performed at the BET awards with Sheila and is friendly with Shelby. The only drama (if you can call it that) I’ve seen with Elisa is when she criticized Shelby for the timing of her album release but she quickly walked it back. But like I said I don’t think we know The whole story here. It doesn’t pass the smell test to me.

probably cause U don't want it to smell.

But it does smell bad.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #116 posted 08/15/17 11:35am

laurarichardson

babynoz said:

laurarichardson said:

babynoz said: Then why are you bothering to respond?



Because I have a POV and you are not a moderator. Thanks for proving once again that a stuck pig will squeal though.

But you are constantly complaining about these topics so why bother to click on them. What is your pov that finds should not comment on the things that are actually going on. This is a message board in case you did not notice.

Reply #117 posted 08/15/17 11:47am

laurarichardson

What part are you missing.

Jill said on her Facebook page that Kirk lied to her. This would mean she spoke to him. You kind of have to know someone to say they lied to your face.

A few people have complained about leaving messages for Prince with a person and not getting a call back. I wonder who was taking the messsages?

The Revolution was gone in 1986 but Jill was dating Prince from 82 on until sometime after Parade came out and so was Susan so what point her you trying to make. Jill said when Prince was engaged to Susan he sent Jill to New York and let her know they would still be seeing each other.

Why would the Revolution have Jill banned from the celebration if all is good? Keep in mind this tidbit is coming from Jill so stop saying something is being manufactured by orgers. No one is making up anything something is going on.

Could be whole love issues, Jill calling them a bunch of Milli Villin's, Jill putting it out there that they are wrong about "Wonderful Ass" and not getting the credit she believes she deserves.

As far as money who does not want more money. They only need to have a say on what they worked on and that is it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think a lot of people have went after Kirk.

I don't know much of Jill & Kirks history. I don't think they know each other.
I remember Apollonia talking about how she tried to get to Prince, but didn't think Kirk was getting her messages to him.

I mean the vent last Sept was about Prince and Jills career. the Revolution ws gone in 1986. But Prince & Jills relationship was static into 1990 and then they never spoke again until 2016 when Prince was reaching out to everyone.

Real Talk: Lisa & Wendy posted on their FB page March 2016 in response to someone saying Jills talent was wasted. They said 'I heart Jill Jones 2! Not wasted though. She still makes music. XO

that isn't the post of someone who cannot stand Jill Jones.

If the issue was who dated Prince then they would not have been cool with Sheila E.

Jill Jones is a married woman.

First of all they have money. Second of all they should have a say on the Vault.

laurarichardson said:

Jill called Kirk a lying ass on her Facebook page after the search warrants were releashed. I do not know what he told her but it obviously was not the truth and it amazes me that know one notices that the police found him uncooperative and not helpful at all but he is a person that can be trusted?

Jill might be the only person who sees him for what he is and knows what he lied to her about.

She has vented about more than just about Prince and we do not know all that she knows.

Real talk I just thank the Melvoins cannot stand her because she was dating Prince the same time that Susannah was as well as Sheila E. The Melvoins need to get over dude was running around on all the women and the Melvoins seemed to be the only ones that cannot let that shit go.

I actually think they think they owned Prince like he was their piece of the rock or bank. If someone told me to renounce my sexuality I would not give them the time of day but these chicks keep coming back. Why do you think that is? $$$$$ They want to have a say on that vault and that would mean money for them.

Reply #118 posted 08/15/17 12:07pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

You are missing the part.

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You don't have to know someone to lie to them.

Jill wasn't in Prince's life from 1990-early 2016 why would she and Kirk know each other. She probably talked to him AD 4.2016 But that doesn't mean she knows him.

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Yes a few people have complained about Kirk and messages.

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Yes, the Revolution was disbanded, so why didn't her career with Prince take off if they were the reason to blame? They weren't. That was stuff between Jill & Prince. Even she said he told her in 88 she had no charisma and some other things. And then he blocked the further release of the next album.

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I said prior to Sept 2016 I doubt there was any particular issue Jill had with the Revolution. The banded together in 2012 to do the First Ave My Purple Heart show. Why no issue then?

Because her response was a hurt response more connected to Prince and a finality. Unfinished business. I wish she had more opportunity to talk with him.

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According to Jills post [I read a copy of it] she said the Revolution asked to not allow any interaction between them. They did not ban her from Paisley Park.
That was something else. Again I'm just going by what I read.

.

The members should be a part of the process as they were from 1977-1986

I would expect the same for the protege bands including JJ and the NPG members etc

laurarichardson said:

What part are you missing.

Jill said on her Facebook page that Kirk lied to her. This would mean she spoke to him. You kind of have to know someone to say they lied to your face.

A few people have complained about leaving messages for Prince with a person and not getting a call back. I wonder who was taking the messsages?

The Revolution was gone in 1986 but Jill was dating Prince from 82 on until sometime after Parade came out and so was Susan so what point her you trying to make. Jill said when Prince was engaged to Susan he sent Jill to New York and let her know they would still be seeing each other.

Why would the Revolution have Jill banned from the celebration if all is good? Keep in mind this tidbit is coming from Jill so stop saying something is being manufactured by orgers. No one is making up anything something is going on.

Could be whole love issues, Jill calling them a bunch of Milli Villin's, Jill putting it out there that they are wrong about "Wonderful Ass" and not getting the credit she believes she deserves.

As far as money who does not want more money. They only need to have a say on what they worked on and that is it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think a lot of people have went after Kirk.

I don't know much of Jill & Kirks history. I don't think they know each other.
I remember Apollonia talking about how she tried to get to Prince, but didn't think Kirk was getting her messages to him.

I mean the vent last Sept was about Prince and Jills career. the Revolution ws gone in 1986. But Prince & Jills relationship was static into 1990 and then they never spoke again until 2016 when Prince was reaching out to everyone.

Real Talk: Lisa & Wendy posted on their FB page March 2016 in response to someone saying Jills talent was wasted. They said 'I heart Jill Jones 2! Not wasted though. She still makes music. XO

that isn't the post of someone who cannot stand Jill Jones.

If the issue was who dated Prince then they would not have been cool with Sheila E.

Jill Jones is a married woman.

First of all they have money. Second of all they should have a say on the Vault.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #119 posted 08/15/17 12:18pm

laurarichardson

Let me make myself clearer for you. On Jill’s Facebook page, right after the search warrants were unsealed she posted that Kirk lied to her face. Would this not mean that a conversation (which requires more than one person took place between the two) What would her knowing him have do with him lying to her. If he lied, he lied as he certainly lied to the cops so why would he not continue lying.

What does her career taking off must do with her going with him the whole-time Susannah was going with him along with Sheila E and Devin and who know who else. I think the Melvoins particurly Susanannah is still a little salty about the affair it has nothing to do with career matters.

They obviously have issues now. See the post from Jill’s page she was not allowed in Paisley Park for the celebration per the Revolution’s request. She was banned that day by them per her comments.

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Jill Jones-Mühlum
9 Std. ·

Yes it's true. We were banned from Paisley Park. However, I was not present during this time that Apollonia took the photo. I was in fact airborne on my way to Mpls arriving at midnight. 2 hours after this hoopla occurred. Lol. Drama. I was informed the next day that I could not attend any events at Paisley. Me, Apollonia,Susan & Brenda. Do I care? No. Does it make me angry that I was also told that Hucky called a meeting prior to all of this informing our security that the Revolution wanted to make sure that I was kept separated from them during this event at Paisley? Not really it makes me laugh. I had no idea I rattled people as much as I do. Do I care? Not really. They can play the game. But I want to make it clear, I was never in it for the game. I am for real. I don't front. For the record joel weinshanker and shannon Pratt and scott march are behind the ban. Scott, they made him the face of the ban.

OldFriends4Sale said:

You are missing the part.

.

You don't have to know someone to lie to them.

Jill wasn't in Prince's life from 1990-early 2016 why would she and Kirk know each other. She probably talked to him AD 4.2016 But that doesn't mean she knows him.

.

Yes a few people have complained about Kirk and messages.

.

Yes, the Revolution was disbanded, so why didn't her career with Prince take off if they were the reason to blame? They weren't. That was stuff between Jill & Prince. Even she said he told her in 88 she had no charisma and some other things. And then he blocked the further release of the next album.

.

I said prior to Sept 2016 I doubt there was any particular issue Jill had with the Revolution. The banded together in 2012 to do the First Ave My Purple Heart show. Why no issue then?

Because her response was a hurt response more connected to Prince and a finality. Unfinished business. I wish she had more opportunity to talk with him.

.

According to Jills post [I read a copy of it] she said the Revolution asked to not allow any interaction between them. They did not ban her from Paisley Park.
That was something else. Again I'm just going by what I read.

.

The members should be a part of the process as they were from 1977-1986

I would expect the same for the protege bands including JJ and the NPG members etc

laurarichardson said:

What part are you missing.

Jill said on her Facebook page that Kirk lied to her. This would mean she spoke to him. You kind of have to know someone to say they lied to your face.

A few people have complained about leaving messages for Prince with a person and not getting a call back. I wonder who was taking the messsages?

The Revolution was gone in 1986 but Jill was dating Prince from 82 on until sometime after Parade came out and so was Susan so what point her you trying to make. Jill said when Prince was engaged to Susan he sent Jill to New York and let her know they would still be seeing each other.

Why would the Revolution have Jill banned from the celebration if all is good? Keep in mind this tidbit is coming from Jill so stop saying something is being manufactured by orgers. No one is making up anything something is going on.

Could be whole love issues, Jill calling them a bunch of Milli Villin's, Jill putting it out there that they are wrong about "Wonderful Ass" and not getting the credit she believes she deserves.

As far as money who does not want more money. They only need to have a say on what they worked on and that is it.

Reply #120 posted 08/15/17 12:20pm

morningsong

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

morningsong said:



Who cares. It's HIS house and those are the rule in it. Nobody's going to keel over and die because they can't take their own pictures. We already know how he personally felt about random pictures anyway. So build a bridge and get over it. Far more necessary items to deal with.

Well actually if they let people take photos, that would be one less thing to worry about, and they could have more time to deal with the more "necessary" stuff...and if they were going by princes wishes for no photos inside paisley park, then they would not give you the option to buy photos? Right, or the photos that you pay for are prince approved?...I was not starting a fight with you, I just pointed out that you can take pictures at Graceland, so now I will build a bridge and get over it as you suggested...



But the point is Graceland is Elvis's house and PP is Prince's house, the two are not synonymous. The management company is respecting the request of the owners, that's the big deal. You don't walk up into people's "houses" doing as you please just because you can do it at somebody else's house, it's rude and disrespectful, period.

“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #121 posted 08/15/17 12:28pm

rogifan

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



rogifan said:


OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


 


well Kirk Mayte are NPG era associates with the highest level of drama around them.


not to mention Elisa F



Well Kirk is a special case of course. But he is touring with NPG and apparently is still involved with Paisley Park so is there really a lot of drama around himb I’m not sure what drama is around Mayte other than some don’t like that she wrote a book. She performed at the BET awards with Sheila and is friendly with Shelby. The only drama (if you can call it that) I’ve seen with Elisa is when she criticized Shelby for the timing of her album release but she quickly walked it back. But like I said I don’t think we know The whole story here. It doesn’t pass the smell test to me.

 


probably cause U don't want it to smell.


But it does smell bad.


All I’m saying is there is to be more to the story no doubt in my mind.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #122 posted 08/15/17 12:34pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Well the Kirk stuff is serious drama.
Apollonia said he was evasive too and avoided her.

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Because that is all intertwined with the Sept 2016 venting. That the twins somehow blocked her and such.

Like I said, the Revolution & Sheila E have always been cool, supporting each other and doing shows together. Wendy has had Sheila on percussion and guesting at some of their events like the Hero's Screening Party, Sheila E has had Wendy on guitar with her at like the Playboy Mansion party. Sheila & Susannah(FDeluxe) have done some shows together. etc

Not to mention Sheila E CoEd has jammed with Lisa Wendy & Susannah.

And Sheila & Susannah were both Prince's lover at the same time.

Why after all this time would Susannah be salty about Jill's relations with Prince.

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Of course I understand the issue now. I mean for anyone, if someone cussed you out like that, justified or not, who wouldn't want to keep some distance? Especially not wanting any drama at the anniversary celebration 4 Prince. I don't think it is unreasonable. But that isn't why she was banned.

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laurarichardson said:

Let me make myself clearer for you. On Jill’s Facebook page, right after the search warrants were unsealed she posted that Kirk lied to her face. Would this not mean that a conversation (which requires more than one person took place between the two) What would her knowing him have do with him lying to her. If he lied, he lied as he certainly lied to the cops so why would he not continue lying.

What does her career taking off must do with her going with him the whole-time Susannah was going with him along with Sheila E and Devin and who know who else. I think the Melvoins particurly Susanannah is still a little salty about the affair it has nothing to do with career matters.

They obviously have issues now. See the post from Jill’s page she was not allowed in Paisley Park for the celebration per the Revolution’s request. She was banned that day by them per her comments.

---

Jill Jones-Mühlum
9 Std. ·

Yes it's true. We were banned from Paisley Park. However, I was not present during this time that Apollonia took the photo. I was in fact airborne on my way to Mpls arriving at midnight. 2 hours after this hoopla occurred. Lol. Drama. I was informed the next day that I could not attend any events at Paisley. Me, Apollonia,Susan & Brenda. Do I care? No. Does it make me angry that I was also told that Hucky called a meeting prior to all of this informing our security that the Revolution wanted to make sure that I was kept separated from them during this event at Paisley? Not really it makes me laugh. I had no idea I rattled people as much as I do. Do I care? Not really. They can play the game. But I want to make it clear, I was never in it for the game. I am for real. I don't front. For the record joel weinshanker and shannon Pratt and scott march are behind the ban. Scott, they made him the face of the ban.

OldFriends4Sale said:

You are missing the part.

.

You don't have to know someone to lie to them.

Jill wasn't in Prince's life from 1990-early 2016 why would she and Kirk know each other. She probably talked to him AD 4.2016 But that doesn't mean she knows him.

.

Yes a few people have complained about Kirk and messages.

.

Yes, the Revolution was disbanded, so why didn't her career with Prince take off if they were the reason to blame? They weren't. That was stuff between Jill & Prince. Even she said he told her in 88 she had no charisma and some other things. And then he blocked the further release of the next album.

.

I said prior to Sept 2016 I doubt there was any particular issue Jill had with the Revolution. The banded together in 2012 to do the First Ave My Purple Heart show. Why no issue then?

Because her response was a hurt response more connected to Prince and a finality. Unfinished business. I wish she had more opportunity to talk with him.

.

According to Jills post [I read a copy of it] she said the Revolution asked to not allow any interaction between them. They did not ban her from Paisley Park.
That was something else. Again I'm just going by what I read.

.

The members should be a part of the process as they were from 1977-1986

I would expect the same for the protege bands including JJ and the NPG members etc

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #123 posted 08/15/17 12:36pm

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2

morningsong said:

 



LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:


morningsong said:

 




Who cares.  It's HIS house and those are the rule in it.  Nobody's going to keel over and die because they can't take their own pictures. We already know how he personally felt about random pictures anyway. So build a bridge and get over it. Far more necessary items to deal with.



Well actually if they let people take photos, that would be one less thing to worry about, and they could have more time to deal with the more "necessary" stuff...and if they were going by princes wishes for no photos inside paisley park, then they would not give you the option to buy photos? Right, or the photos that you pay for are prince approved?...I was not starting a fight with you, I just pointed out that you can take pictures at Graceland, so now I will build a bridge and get over it as you suggested...



But the point is Graceland is Elvis's house and PP is Prince's housee, the two are not synonymous.  The management company is respecting the request of the owners, that's the big deal.  You don't walk up into people's "houses" doing as you please just because you can do it at somebody else's house, it's rude and disrespectful, period.






O.k. I get 100% you and I disagree...but if you are so offended by people taking photos because it is contrary to what prince wanted in his home, why do you not have a problem with people taking photos that they paid for inside his home? Is it because management said photos are not against the rules as long as they are paid for? They are all still photos inside princes final resting place...so?
Reply #124 posted 08/15/17 12:45pm

morningsong

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

morningsong said:



But the point is Graceland is Elvis's house and PP is Prince's housee, the two are not synonymous. The management company is respecting the request of the owners, that's the big deal. You don't walk up into people's "houses" doing as you please just because you can do it at somebody else's house, it's rude and disrespectful, period.

O.k. I get 100% you and I disagree...but if you are so offended by people taking photos because it is contrary to what prince wanted in his home, why do you not have a problem with people taking photos that they paid for inside his home? Is it because management said photos are not against the rules as long as they are paid for? They are all still photos inside princes final resting place...so?



Because it is the decision that the owners have made.

“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #125 posted 08/15/17 1:08pm

Rev

laurarichardson said:

Jill called Kirk a lying ass on her Facebook page after the search warrants were releashed. I do not know what he told her but it obviously was not the truth and it amazes me that know one notices that the police found him uncooperative and not helpful at all but he is a person that can be trusted?

Jill might be the only person who sees him for what he is and knows what he lied to her about.

She has vented about more than just about Prince and we do not know all that she knows.

Real talk I just thank the Melvoins cannot stand her because she was dating Prince the same time that Susannah was as well as Sheila E. The Melvoins need to get over dude was running around on all the women and the Melvoins seemed to be the only ones that cannot let that shit go.

I actually think they think they owned Prince like he was their piece of the rock or bank. If someone told me to renounce my sexuality I would not give them the time of day but these chicks keep coming back. Why do you think that is? $$$$$ They want to have a say on that vault and that would mean money for them.

OldFriends4Sale said:

why would she keep going?

4 what?

Her issues in 2016, which were really about Prince, she vented.

Is there an issue between Kirk & Jill?

These associated artist seem to want to project their memories as "the truth". Jill's mouth will not allow them to walk un challenged in their new purple safety bubble.

No wonder he broke up the Revolution. Jill wasn't the problem. Like Prince was going to take crap from Wendy after him and Susannah broke up. See ya.

Reply #126 posted 08/15/17 1:10pm

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2

morningsong said:

 



LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:


morningsong said:

 




But the point is Graceland is Elvis's house and PP is Prince's housee, the two are not synonymous.  The management company is respecting the request of the owners, that's the big deal.  You don't walk up into people's "houses" doing as you please just because you can do it at somebody else's house, it's rude and disrespectful, period.



O.k. I get 100% you and I disagree...but if you are so offended by people taking photos because it is contrary to what prince wanted in his home, why do you not have a problem with people taking photos that they paid for inside his home? Is it because management said photos are not against the rules as long as they are paid for? They are all still photos inside princes final resting place...so?



Because it is the decision that the owners have made.





So, the "owners" are good with people taking photos inside princes home and final resting place, as long as the photos are paid for. Yes, I believe you...
Reply #127 posted 08/15/17 1:11pm

PennyPurple

Rev said:

These associated artist seem to want to project their memories as "the truth". Jill's mouth will not allow them to walk un challenged in their new purple safety bubble.

No wonder he broke up the Revolution. Jill wasn't the problem. Like Prince was going to take crap from Wendy after him and Susannah broke up. See ya.

Jill doesn't always speak the truth either.

Reply #128 posted 08/15/17 1:12pm

Rev

laurarichardson said:

pricetag said:

Sounds like PP are doing Prince a favor by keeping The Wayward sisters out. Lord knows he tried hard enough to keep these losers at a distance when he was alive. I'll admit that Miko is a good guitarist, though. He really should have made more of his post Prince career.

--Really because Jill was on a plane while the pic was being taken and she is being put out because she does not kiss the ass of the Melvoin's and that is the only reason. Funny if Prince were doing this you would have a non stop bitch fest in this board but those two hags can get away with anything.

The first word that came to mind was "hag" eek thank you

Reply #129 posted 08/15/17 1:14pm

Militant

moderator

If you believe Dez, there's a chance Prince never intended to keep The Revolution past 1986.

He gave the keynote at the Purple Reign Conference earlier this year which I attended, and when discussing his leaving the band, he said that in 1983, Prince told him that if he wanted to stay, he'd need him to guarantee a 3 year commitment. So, 1983-1986.

Meaning there's a very chance that Prince planned the entire "Prince & The Revolution" run in advance and always knew that he'd make a major change towards the end of 86.








Reply #130 posted 08/15/17 1:14pm

Bassette

Militant said:

 



Strawberrylova123 said:


Militant said:

 





Really? Where did you hear this? Last I heard Miko was living in Ibiza, I didn't even know he'd attempted to go to Paisley.....




Yeah he commented on jjs facebook post last night saying he is happy that he was banned.

 


Wow. What reason could they possible have to ban Miko? Bizarre. 



Maybe he wore a hijab, too.
Reply #131 posted 08/15/17 1:16pm

pricetag

laurarichardson said:

pricetag said:

Sounds like PP are doing Prince a favor by keeping The Wayward sisters out. Lord knows he tried hard enough to keep these losers at a distance when he was alive. I'll admit that Miko is a good guitarist, though. He really should have made more of his post Prince career.

--Really because Jill was on a plane while the pic was being taken and she is being put out because she does not kiss the ass of the Melvoin's and that is the only reason. Funny if Prince were doing this you would have a non stop bitch fest in this board but those two hags can get away with anything.

I couldn't give a monkey's left testicle where Jill Jones was. Point I'm making is that PP are right to flush the Wayward sisters out...they're only being consistent with what Prince did for the last few decades. This isn't a hard thing to understand.

Also, you're patholigical hatred of all things Melvoin really tickles me...

Reply #132 posted 08/15/17 1:25pm

clairew1975

babynoz said:

 



rogifan said:


I find it interesting that there seems to be none of this drama around NPG-era associates. Clearly there is more to the story here that we don’t know about. And I don’t trust that any of them are giving us the whole truth. As far as Bruno Mars goes the only photo I saw of him was from the spot in Studio B where VIP ticket purchasers are allowed to have their photo taken. Same thing with Duff McKagen from Guns ‘n’ Roses.



nod

That's why I keep saying how silly it is for people to take sides and engage in these stan wars. Allowing themselves to be triggered by every little tidbit of gossip on social media is pretty juvenile, especially since it's been more than a year now. 

Find something else to do and leave poor Bruno out of it already. 



Sorry, the Bruno mention was my fault but it happened this year (April 2017) so it's a recent event just only surfaced recently that I became aware of it. I'm not stanning, I just couldn't get my head round why they'd be banned & I still think it's ridiculous.
Reply #133 posted 08/15/17 1:27pm

morningsong

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

morningsong said:



Because it is the decision that the owners have made.

So, the "owners" are good with people taking photos inside princes home and final resting place, as long as the photos are paid for. Yes, I believe you...




Um, yes.


“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #134 posted 08/15/17 1:44pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

Did any of these people attend high school? Because this all sounds like high school drama.

Why do you forget Meron was there that morning and she also mislead police?

Reply #135 posted 08/15/17 1:47pm

morningsong

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Did any of these people attend high school? Because this all sounds like high school drama.

Why do you forget Meron was there that morning and she also mislead police?




I was thinking Junior High School.


The rest of that, I just can't anymore and I don't.


“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #136 posted 08/15/17 2:16pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Rev said:

laurarichardson said:

Jill called Kirk a lying ass on her Facebook page after the search warrants were releashed. I do not know what he told her but it obviously was not the truth and it amazes me that know one notices that the police found him uncooperative and not helpful at all but he is a person that can be trusted?

Jill might be the only person who sees him for what he is and knows what he lied to her about.

She has vented about more than just about Prince and we do not know all that she knows.

Real talk I just thank the Melvoins cannot stand her because she was dating Prince the same time that Susannah was as well as Sheila E. The Melvoins need to get over dude was running around on all the women and the Melvoins seemed to be the only ones that cannot let that shit go.

I actually think they think they owned Prince like he was their piece of the rock or bank. If someone told me to renounce my sexuality I would not give them the time of day but these chicks keep coming back. Why do you think that is? $$$$$ They want to have a say on that vault and that would mean money for them.

These associated artist seem to want to project their memories as "the truth". Jill's mouth will not allow them to walk un challenged in their new purple safety bubble.

No wonder he broke up the Revolution. Jill wasn't the problem. Like Prince was going to take crap from Wendy after him and Susannah broke up. See ya.

R U even schooled on this history.
Prince remained friends with them throught his life and had them perform with him and offered input on their album and had them do some work on one his latter albums.

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What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #137 posted 08/15/17 2:50pm

babynoz

clairew1975 said:

babynoz said:



nod

That's why I keep saying how silly it is for people to take sides and engage in these stan wars. Allowing themselves to be triggered by every little tidbit of gossip on social media is pretty juvenile, especially since it's been more than a year now.

Find something else to do and leave poor Bruno out of it already.

Sorry, the Bruno mention was my fault but it happened this year (April 2017) so it's a recent event just only surfaced recently that I became aware of it. I'm not stanning, I just couldn't get my head round why they'd be banned & I still think it's ridiculous.



No worries, you aren't part of the the stan wars. Stan wars refers to the people taking sides in the tug of war going on between Prince's various associates, sister-wives, jumpoffs, side pieces, has beens, never was and also-rans. disbelief

I was just trying to figure how little Bruno got in that mess! lol

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #138 posted 08/15/17 2:52pm

clairew1975

babynoz said:

 



clairew1975 said:


babynoz said:

 




nod

That's why I keep saying how silly it is for people to take sides and engage in these stan wars. Allowing themselves to be triggered by every little tidbit of gossip on social media is pretty juvenile, especially since it's been more than a year now. 

Find something else to do and leave poor Bruno out of it already. 



Sorry, the Bruno mention was my fault but it happened this year (April 2017) so it's a recent event just only surfaced recently that I became aware of it. I'm not stanning, I just couldn't get my head round why they'd be banned & I still think it's ridiculous.



No worries, you aren't part of the the stan wars. Stan wars refers to the people taking sides in the tug of war going on between Prince's various associates, sister-wives, jumpoffs, side pieces, has beens, never was and also-rans.  disbelief

I was just trying to figure how little Bruno got in that mess!  lol



Ha ha no worries. I mentioned Bruno taking pics. I love Bruno, no drama from me 😊
Reply #139 posted 08/15/17 2:56pm

babynoz

laurarichardson said:

babynoz said:



Because I have a POV and you are not a moderator. Thanks for proving once again that a stuck pig will squeal though.

But you are constantly complaining about these topics so why bother to click on them. What is your pov that finds should not comment on the things that are actually going on. This is a message board in case you did not notice.



A message board.....exactly!

And that was MY message.

If you want to be nominated for head Stan Warrior then by all means, knock yourself out. bitchfight

Won't stop me from commenting. biggrin

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #140 posted 08/15/17 2:59pm

babynoz

clairew1975 said:

babynoz said:



No worries, you aren't part of the the stan wars. Stan wars refers to the people taking sides in the tug of war going on between Prince's various associates, sister-wives, jumpoffs, side pieces, has beens, never was and also-rans. disbelief

I was just trying to figure how little Bruno got in that mess! lol

Ha ha no worries. I mentioned Bruno taking pics. I love Bruno, no drama from me 😊



Cool! Me too. highfive I think someone mentioned that he was in the paid photo area.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #141 posted 08/15/17 3:05pm

morningsong

clairew1975 said:

babynoz said:



No worries, you aren't part of the the stan wars. Stan wars refers to the people taking sides in the tug of war going on between Prince's various associates, sister-wives, jumpoffs, side pieces, has beens, never was and also-rans. disbelief

I was just trying to figure how little Bruno got in that mess! lol

Ha ha no worries. I mentioned Bruno taking pics. I love Bruno, no drama from me 😊



Oh, that's what some of this is?


Well Bruno must of taken the VIP tour. Anyone taking the VIP tour has the option of getting their picture taken in that same exact spot. Quite a few people have done it including Prince friends and associates so I'm not sure why Bruno got thrown under the bus unless people have no clue about what's been going on for the past year.



“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #142 posted 08/15/17 3:05pm

babynoz

morningsong said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Did any of these people attend high school? Because this all sounds like high school drama.

Why do you forget Meron was there that morning and she also mislead police?




I was thinking Junior High School.


The rest of that, I just can't anymore and I don't.




I tell ya, lol

Jill said.....no, Apples said....no, Dez said....Miko said....he said, she said....they said.............. blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #143 posted 08/15/17 3:06pm

babynoz

morningsong said:

clairew1975 said:

Ha ha no worries. I mentioned Bruno taking pics. I love Bruno, no drama from me 😊



Oh, that's what some of this is?


Well Bruno must of taken the VIP tour. Anyone taking the VIP tour has the option of getting their picture taken in that same exact spot. Quite a few people have done it including Prince friends and associates so I'm not sure why Bruno got thrown under the bus unless people have no clue about what's been going on for the past year.





No worries, it's been ironed out already.


fix the quoting edit

[Edited 8/15/17 15:07pm]

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #144 posted 08/15/17 3:11pm

clairew1975

babynoz said:

 



morningsong said:


 



clairew1975 said:


Ha ha no worries. I mentioned Bruno taking pics. I love Bruno, no drama from me 😊



Oh, that's what some of this is?


Well Bruno must of taken the VIP tour.  Anyone taking the VIP tour has the option of getting their picture taken in that same exact spot.  Quite a few people have done it including Prince friends and associates so I'm not sure why Bruno got thrown under the bus unless people have no clue about what's been going on for the past year.







No worries, it's been ironed out already. 


fix the quoting edit

[Edited 8/15/17 15:07pm]



Yep, all ironed out. Nothing to see here. Sorry.
Reply #145 posted 08/15/17 3:43pm

morningsong

clairew1975 said:

babynoz said:



No worries, it's been ironed out already.


fix the quoting edit

[Edited 8/15/17 15:07pm]

Yep, all ironed out. Nothing to see here. Sorry.



thumbs up!

“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #146 posted 08/15/17 3:45pm

morningsong

babynoz said:

morningsong said:




I was thinking Junior High School.


The rest of that, I just can't anymore and I don't.




I tell ya, lol

Jill said.....no, Apples said....no, Dez said....Miko said....he said, she said....they said.............. blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah



We're bored. I know it's not an excuse but it's true.

“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #147 posted 08/15/17 4:18pm

malbena

PennyPurple said:

Rev said:

These associated artist seem to want to project their memories as "the truth". Jill's mouth will not allow them to walk un challenged in their new purple safety bubble.

No wonder he broke up the Revolution. Jill wasn't the problem. Like Prince was going to take crap from Wendy after him and Susannah broke up. See ya.

Jill doesn't always speak the truth either.

Exactly!

This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #148 posted 08/15/17 4:28pm

malbena

rogifan said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

probably cause U don't want it to smell.

But it does smell bad.

All I’m saying is there is to be more to the story no doubt in my mind.

Could simply be Karma. The facts that Appolonia has been banned from Paisley Park, couldn't get passes to Morris' concert, got the cold shoulder from Kirk, and did not get to participate in the tribute (under the direction of Morries Hayes) speaks volume already. Fake, fake, fake she has proved to be. As for Jill, maybe counseling would help accepting the fact Prince no longer wanted her around and blaming everybody around is not going to cut it.

This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #149 posted 08/15/17 4:34pm

CatB

malbena said:

rogifan said:

OldFriends4Sale said: All I’m saying is there is to be more to the story no doubt in my mind.

Could simply be Karma. The facts that Appolonia has been banned from Paisley Park, couldn't get passes to Morris' concert, got the cold shoulder from Kirk, and did not get to participate in the tribute (under the direction of Morries Hayes) speaks volume already. Fake, fake, fake she has proved to be. As for Jill, maybe counseling would help accepting the fact Prince no longer wanted her around and blaming everybody around is not going to cut it.



Co-sign. And I don't even believe in karma.


"Time is space spent with U"
Reply #150 posted 08/15/17 6:19pm

malbena

CatB said:

malbena said:

Could simply be Karma. The facts that Appolonia has been banned from Paisley Park, couldn't get passes to Morris' concert, got the cold shoulder from Kirk, and did not get to participate in the tribute (under the direction of Morries Hayes) speaks volume already. Fake, fake, fake she has proved to be. As for Jill, maybe counseling would help accepting the fact Prince no longer wanted her around and blaming everybody around is not going to cut it.



Co-sign. And I don't even believe in karma.


Should I include I haven't seen Appolonia included in Sheila E.'s series of events either. Just like Wendy, Sheila has kept friendship with Prince across decades. Thus, I would disagree with whomever would claim their "era" was gone. I don't think eras have the power friendship, collaboration, and music that brought Prince and friends together.

This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #151 posted 08/15/17 6:42pm

laurarichardson

malbena said:

 



rogifan said:


OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


probably cause U don't want it to smell.


But it does smell bad.



All I’m saying is there is to be more to the story no doubt in my mind.

 


Could simply be Karma.  The facts that Appolonia has been banned from Paisley Park, couldn't get passes to Morris' concert, got the cold shoulder from Kirk, and did not get to participate in the tribute (under the direction of Morries Hayes) speaks volume already.  Fake, fake, fake she has proved to be.  As for Jill, maybe counseling would help accepting the fact Prince no longer wanted her around and blaming everybody around is not going to cut it.


 


 


Why does this speak volumes she got booted because she took a pic at least that is what was said. I suspect her comments that Prince told her about a Jubilent Judas may have something to do with it. I would not be so quick to cheerlead for Kirk as we know he is a lying ass miss thang. What exactly did Apples do besides take a pic.
Reply #152 posted 08/15/17 6:45pm

laurarichardson

babynoz said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



babynoz said:


 




Because I have a POV and you are not a moderator. Thanks for proving once again that a stuck pig will squeal though.



But you are constantly complaining about these topics so why bother to click on them. What is your pov that finds should not comment on the things that are actually going on. This is a message board in case you did not notice. 





A message board.....exactly! 

And that was MY message. 

If you want to be nominated for head Stan Warrior then by all means, knock yourself out.  bitchfight

Won't stop me from commenting.  biggrin


Continue on commenting on topics you do not care for and you feel are boring or beneath you. Makes no sense whatsoever but knock yourself out.
Reply #153 posted 08/15/17 6:47pm

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



Rev said:


 



laurarichardson said:


Jill called Kirk a lying ass on her Facebook page after the search warrants were releashed. I do not know what he told her but it obviously was not the truth and it amazes me that know one notices that the police found him uncooperative and not helpful at all but he is a person that can be trusted?


 


Jill might be the only  person who sees him for what he is and knows what he lied to her about.


 


She has vented about more than just about Prince and we do not know all that she knows.


 


Real talk I just thank the Melvoins cannot stand her because she was dating Prince the same time that Susannah was as well as Sheila E.  The Melvoins need to get over dude was running around on all the women and the Melvoins seemed to be the only ones that cannot let that shit go. 


 


I actually think they think they owned Prince like he was their piece of the rock or bank. If someone told me to renounce my sexuality I would not give them the time of day but these chicks keep coming back. Why do you think that is? $$$$$ They want to have a say on that vault and that would mean money for them.


 


 


 



 


These associated artist seem to want to project their memories as "the truth".  Jill's mouth will not allow them to walk un challenged in their new purple safety bubble.


No wonder he broke up the Revolution. Jill wasn't the problem. Like Prince was going to take crap from Wendy after him and Susannah broke up. See ya.



 


R U even schooled on this history.
Prince remained friends with them throught his life and had them perform with him and offered input on their album and had them do some work on one his latter albums.


 


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He fired them and they worked with him maybe 3 times in the last 20 years. You and your speculative facts.
Reply #154 posted 08/15/17 6:55pm

malbena

laurarichardson said:

malbena said:

Could simply be Karma. The facts that Appolonia has been banned from Paisley Park, couldn't get passes to Morris' concert, got the cold shoulder from Kirk, and did not get to participate in the tribute (under the direction of Morries Hayes) speaks volume already. Fake, fake, fake she has proved to be. As for Jill, maybe counseling would help accepting the fact Prince no longer wanted her around and blaming everybody around is not going to cut it.

Why does this speak volumes she got booted because she took a pic at least that is what was said. I suspect her comments that Prince told her about a Jubilent Judas may have something to do with it. I would not be so quick to cheerlead for Kirk as we know he is a lying ass miss thang. What exactly did Apples do besides take a pic.

It speaks volume to me. How many times does one need to be kicked out of a place to demonstrate to people the individual is only trouble or trying to get her way.

This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #155 posted 08/15/17 6:58pm

laurarichardson

malbena said:

 



laurarichardson said:


malbena said:

 


 


Could simply be Karma.  The facts that Appolonia has been banned from Paisley Park, couldn't get passes to Morris' concert, got the cold shoulder from Kirk, and did not get to participate in the tribute (under the direction of Morries Hayes) speaks volume already.  Fake, fake, fake she has proved to be.  As for Jill, maybe counseling would help accepting the fact Prince no longer wanted her around and blaming everybody around is not going to cut it.


 


 



Why does this speak volumes she got booted because she took a pic at least that is what was said. I suspect her comments that Prince told her about a Jubilent Judas may have something to do with it. I would not be so quick to cheerlead for Kirk as we know he is a lying ass miss thang. What exactly did Apples do besides take a pic.

 


It speaks volume to me.   How many times does one need to be kicked out of a place to demonstrate to people the individual is only trouble or trying to get her way.


 


Outside of taking that pic you have not said what she did or said that caused a problem. Why are cheerleading for Kirk?
Reply #156 posted 08/15/17 7:04pm

malbena

laurarichardson said:

malbena said:

It speaks volume to me. How many times does one need to be kicked out of a place to demonstrate to people the individual is only trouble or trying to get her way.

Outside of taking that pic you have not said what she did or said that caused a problem. Why are cheerleading for Kirk?

She has caused too much drama. Who tells you I am cheerleading for Kirk? eek

This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #157 posted 08/15/17 7:17pm

bondno9

laurarichardson said:

malbena said:

Could simply be Karma. The facts that Appolonia has been banned from Paisley Park, couldn't get passes to Morris' concert, got the cold shoulder from Kirk, and did not get to participate in the tribute (under the direction of Morries Hayes) speaks volume already. Fake, fake, fake she has proved to be. As for Jill, maybe counseling would help accepting the fact Prince no longer wanted her around and blaming everybody around is not going to cut it.

Why does this speak volumes she got booted because she took a pic at least that is what was said. I suspect her comments that Prince told her about a Jubilent Judas may have something to do with it. I would not be so quick to cheerlead for Kirk as we know he is a lying ass miss thang. What exactly did Apples do besides take a pic.

Also, I believe Apollonia spent time with Morris the night beofre the concert. He acknowledged her birthday so obviously there's no beef between the two of them. The issue isn't about a pic, but something much deeper, like Jill Jones. There was no drama last September 2016 at the First Ave Concert. Guess who wasn't there ... JJ, but alas she comes on the scene and all of a sudden people get "banned." Umm hmm. Interesting she's been flaming the flames over the topic on social media but Apollonia hasn't. Hmm ... Also, Apollonia was at the Rev concert back in July at the Wiltern. No drama. Again, guess who wasn't present ... JJ

Reply #158 posted 08/15/17 7:29pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

R U even schooled on this history.
Prince remained friends with them throught his life and had them perform with him and offered input on their album and had them do some work on one his latter albums.

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He fired them and they worked with him maybe 3 times in the last 20 years. You and your speculative facts.

first of all, they remained friends thought his life.
they performed with him @ Paisley Park in 1989 with the Lovesexy band

I believe he did a little with them on their album along with BrownMark

and between 2004-2007 Wendy, along with Lisa & a few times Susannah performed with Prince.
As well as did a little work on Planet Earth.
There is nothing speculative about this sugar dumplings.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #159 posted 08/15/17 8:17pm

babynoz

laurarichardson said:

babynoz said:



A message board.....exactly!

And that was MY message.

If you want to be nominated for head Stan Warrior then by all means, knock yourself out. bitchfight

Won't stop me from commenting. biggrin

Continue on commenting on topics you do not care for and you feel are boring or beneath you. Makes no sense whatsoever but knock yourself out.



Listen Stanley, I am commenting on the topic like anyone else. The fact that you continue to follow me around and troll as though others such as Rogi and Morningsong didn't make similar comments makes me wonder why you are sooo obsessed with me?

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #160 posted 08/15/17 11:35pm

Goddess4Real

PennyPurple said:

This is what she (Jill) posted on her facebook:

Yes it's true. We were banned from Paisley Park. However, I was not present during this time that Apollonia took the photo. I was in fact airborne on my way to Mpls arriving at midnight. 2 hours after this hoopla occurred. Lol. Drama. I was informed the next day that I could not attend any events at Paisley. Me, Apollonia,Susan & Brenda. Do I care? No. Does it make me angry that I was also told that Hucky called a meeting prior to all of this informing our security that the Revolution wanted to make sure that I was kept separated from them during this event at Paisley? Not really it makes me laugh. I had no idea I rattled people as much as I do. Do I care? Not really. They can play the game. But I want to make it clear, I was never in it for the game. I am for real. I don't front. For the record joel weinshanker and shannon Pratt and scott march are behind the ban. Scott, they made him the face of the ban.

sad

Keep Calm & Listen To Prince
Reply #161 posted 08/16/17 12:27am

GaryMF

1. LauraRichardson is either insane or lacks reading comprehension. In her OWN POSTS/Quotes of Jill Jones, it states the Revolution asked for Jill to be KEPT AWAY from them, NOT BANNED. .....Jill clearly states the BANNING was related to Apples' picture taking. .

.

'.

'Laura: Get over your hatred of the Melvoins and stop your stupid speculating.

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2. As already stated, the Revolution, the Melvoins, and SHeila have been getting along quite well over the years. Jill too. They were all onstage together in 2003 at The Family Jamm. And Apples was at the 2012 or 2013 Heart benefit for Bobby Z at 1st ave.

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3. Paisley Park does NOT allow pictures. If you take a VIP tour you can get a Picture but you must buy a $14 (if I recall) USB stick to save it on.

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More imoprtantly, they now SELL BOOKS of Photos of Paisley (which suck IMO because they don[t show the rooms). So they dont want people taking pics so they can sell the books.

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.

rainbow
Reply #162 posted 08/16/17 2:49am

MMJas

PennyPurple said:

One of the comments under Jill's FB posts states that they were banned because they helped sneak Apples phone out of the case so she could take a selfie in front of her mural on the wall. They were all banned because the rules apply to all.

Who knows?? Jill has been bitching for months now, want's credit for this, credit for that, possibly releasing some songs she shouldn't have.


Wendy and Lisa is wanting a say in the vault.


Eric Benet thinks he's Prince... and his wife wants him to be.

Sheila E is selling items with P's symbol but added a butterfly.


Several books have been written and several more are being written.

It's a never ending circus. Everyone thinks they are entitled to a piece of the Prince pie.

This.

Reply #163 posted 08/16/17 2:56am

laurarichardson

GaryMF said:

1. LauraRichardson is either insane or lacks reading comprehension.  In her OWN POSTS/Quotes of Jill Jones, it states the Revolution asked for Jill to be KEPT AWAY from them, NOT BANNED. .....Jill clearly states the BANNING was related to Apples' picture taking. .


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'.


'Laura: Get over your hatred of the Melvoins and stop your stupid speculating. 


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2. As already stated, the Revolution, the Melvoins, and SHeila have been getting along quite well over the years.  Jill too.   They were all onstage together in 2003 at The Family Jamm.   And Apples was at the 2012 or 2013 Heart benefit for Bobby Z at 1st ave. 


..


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3. Paisley Park does NOT allow pictures.  If you take a VIP tour you can get a Picture but you must buy a $14 (if I recall) USB stick to save it on. 


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More imoprtantly, they now SELL BOOKS of Photos of Paisley (which suck IMO because they don[t show the rooms).  So they dont want people taking pics so they can sell the books. 


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.


 


If you are not allowed to be somewhere you are banned. Jill uses the word "banned" on her Facebook page. She was not allowed to be at the celebration per the Revolution this is what Jill stated not me. If you have issues with use of the word "banned "take it up with her. I also do not hate anyone I think the Melvoins are full of shit but I do not hate people I do not know. I have no issues with the no picture ban but Jill said she was not taking any pictures so who has a reading comprehension problem? Those sisters are petty and Prince himself called Susanannah out in the Ebony for her nonsense about " The Beautiful Ones" and Jill called Lisa out for her foolishness about " Wonderful Ass" Some people are rewriting history to build themselves up and to wiggle a check out of the estate. I would think that even Ray Charles could see what is going on at this point.
[Edited 8/16/17 3:10am]
Reply #164 posted 08/16/17 3:00am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



laurarichardson said:


OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


R U even schooled on this history.
Prince remained friends with them throught his life and had them perform with him and offered input on their album and had them do some work on one his latter albums.


 


tumblr_lwagddZgNF1qaxurwo1_250.gif



He fired them and they worked with him maybe 3 times in the last 20 years. You and your speculative facts.

 


first of all, they remained friends thought his life.
they performed with him @ Paisley Park in 1989 with the Lovesexy band


I believe he did a little with them on their album along with BrownMark


and between 2004-2007 Wendy, along with Lisa & a few times Susannah performed with Prince.
As well as did a little work on Planet Earth.
There is nothing speculative about this sugar dumplings.


 


 


You just proved my point there 10 and 30 year gaps between the time they worked together. Sheila E, Eric Leeds and Morris Hayes are collaborators W&L were drop ins and posting a pic does not change that factoid.
[Edited 8/16/17 3:04am]
Reply #165 posted 08/16/17 3:15am

laurarichardson

babynoz said:

 



laurarichardson said:


babynoz said:

 




A message board.....exactly! 

And that was MY message. 

If you want to be nominated for head Stan Warrior then by all means, knock yourself out.  bitchfight

Won't stop me from commenting.  biggrin



Continue on commenting on topics you do not care for and you feel are boring or beneath you. Makes no sense whatsoever but knock yourself out.



Listen Stanley, I am commenting on the topic like anyone else. The fact that you continue to follow me around and troll as though others such as Rogi and Morningsong didn't make similar comments makes me wonder why you are sooo obsessed with me?


No one is obsessed with you and I comment plenty on the nonsense of complaint about certain topics and still clicking on the topics anyway. Stop wasting your time since these topics are so beneath you.
Reply #166 posted 08/16/17 5:43am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

first of all, they remained friends thought his life.
they performed with him @ Paisley Park in 1989 with the Lovesexy band

I believe he did a little with them on their album along with BrownMark

and between 2004-2007 Wendy, along with Lisa & a few times Susannah performed with Prince.
As well as did a little work on Planet Earth.
There is nothing speculative about this sugar dumplings.

You just proved my point there 10 and 30 year gaps between the time they worked together. Sheila E, Eric Leeds and Morris Hayes are collaborators W&L were drop ins and posting a pic does not change that factoid. [Edited 8/16/17 3:04am]

what does any of that have to do with it? They are the perfect people to work with the music from 1978-1986 to get it released.

The point is also that they were always friends.
Joshue & Hayes shouldn't be the ones to work on the music they had nothing to do with.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #167 posted 08/16/17 5:48am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

GaryMF said:

1. LauraRichardson is either insane or lacks reading comprehension. In her OWN POSTS/Quotes of Jill Jones, it states the Revolution asked for Jill to be KEPT AWAY from them, NOT BANNED. .....Jill clearly states the BANNING was related to Apples' picture taking. .

.

'.

'Laura: Get over your hatred of the Melvoins and stop your stupid speculating.

.

.

.

2. As already stated, the Revolution, the Melvoins, and SHeila have been getting along quite well over the years. Jill too. They were all onstage together in 2003 at The Family Jamm. And Apples was at the 2012 or 2013 Heart benefit for Bobby Z at 1st ave.

..

.

.

3. Paisley Park does NOT allow pictures. If you take a VIP tour you can get a Picture but you must buy a $14 (if I recall) USB stick to save it on.

.

.

More imoprtantly, they now SELL BOOKS of Photos of Paisley (which suck IMO because they don[t show the rooms). So they dont want people taking pics so they can sell the books.

.

.

If you are not allowed to be somewhere you are banned. Jill uses the word "banned" on her Facebook page. She was not allowed to be at the celebration per the Revolution this is what Jill stated not me. If you have issues with use of the word "banned "take it up with her. I also do not hate anyone I think the Melvoins are full of shit but I do not hate people I do not know. I have no issues with the no picture ban but Jill said she was not taking any pictures so who has a reading comprehension problem? Those sisters are petty and Prince himself called Susanannah out in the Ebony for her nonsense about " The Beautiful Ones" and Jill called Lisa out for her foolishness about " Wonderful Ass" Some people are rewriting history to build themselves up and to wiggle a check out of the estate. I would think that even Ray Charles could see what is going on at this point. [Edited 8/16/17 3:10am]

Laurarichardson, you are more invested in pushing your own dramatic take on things than actually reading what you posted and comprehending it.

It never said she was not allowed at the celebration per the Revolution. In the post that you posted she clearly said she was not to be in contact with them. REASONABLE.

In the post that YOU POSTED, Jill never said the Revolution was behind her being banned.
In the post that YOU POSTED, she spelled out the names of the people behind it.

Prince and Susannah talked after the Ebony article, as friends do. He knew just talking to her was the thing to do.
Jill did not call out Lisa, she posted something on social media.
There is no rewriting history about Wonderful Ass.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #168 posted 08/16/17 5:49am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

GaryMF said:

1. LauraRichardson is either insane or lacks reading comprehension. In her OWN POSTS/Quotes of Jill Jones, it states the Revolution asked for Jill to be KEPT AWAY from them, NOT BANNED. .....Jill clearly states the BANNING was related to Apples' picture taking. .

.

'.

'Laura: Get over your hatred of the Melvoins and stop your stupid speculating.

.

.

.

2. As already stated, the Revolution, the Melvoins, and SHeila have been getting along quite well over the years. Jill too. They were all onstage together in 2003 at The Family Jamm. And Apples was at the 2012 or 2013 Heart benefit for Bobby Z at 1st ave.

..

.

.

3. Paisley Park does NOT allow pictures. If you take a VIP tour you can get a Picture but you must buy a $14 (if I recall) USB stick to save it on.

.

.

More imoprtantly, they now SELL BOOKS of Photos of Paisley (which suck IMO because they don[t show the rooms). So they dont want people taking pics so they can sell the books.

.

.

yes

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #169 posted 08/16/17 5:51am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said: You just proved my point there 10 and 30 year gaps between the time they worked together. Sheila E, Eric Leeds and Morris Hayes are collaborators W&L were drop ins and posting a pic does not change that factoid. [Edited 8/16/17 3:04am]

what does any of that have to do with it? They are the perfect people to work with the music from 1978-1986 to get it released.

The point is also that they were always friends.
Joshue & Hayes shouldn't be the ones to work on the music they had nothing to do with.

They are perfect people to work on the stuff that they acutally played on when they were around which was a short period of time in his career. He had people who worked with him longer and actually co-produced with him.

I am sure the guy that mowed the lawn and delivered his pizza were friends as well it does not mean those people should be screwing around with his music. W+L could not even get the details of "Wonderful Ass" right.

Reply #170 posted 08/16/17 6:09am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

GaryMF said: If you are not allowed to be somewhere you are banned. Jill uses the word "banned" on her Facebook page. She was not allowed to be at the celebration per the Revolution this is what Jill stated not me. If you have issues with use of the word "banned "take it up with her. I also do not hate anyone I think the Melvoins are full of shit but I do not hate people I do not know. I have no issues with the no picture ban but Jill said she was not taking any pictures so who has a reading comprehension problem? Those sisters are petty and Prince himself called Susanannah out in the Ebony for her nonsense about " The Beautiful Ones" and Jill called Lisa out for her foolishness about " Wonderful Ass" Some people are rewriting history to build themselves up and to wiggle a check out of the estate. I would think that even Ray Charles could see what is going on at this point. [Edited 8/16/17 3:10am]

Laurarichardson, you are more invested in pushing your own dramatic take on things than actually reading what you posted and comprehending it.

It never said she was not allowed at the celebration per the Revolution. In the post that you posted she clearly said she was not to be in contact with them. REASONABLE.

In the post that YOU POSTED, Jill never said the Revolution was behind her being banned.
In the post that YOU POSTED, she spelled out the names of the people behind it.

Prince and Susannah talked after the Ebony article, as friends do. He knew just talking to her was the thing to do.
Jill did not call out Lisa, she posted something on social media.
There is no rewriting history about Wonderful Ass.

One more time. I will bold it for you. Jill is saying "banned" Jill is saying the Revolution did not want her around. Jill is saying she had nothing to do with any "Photo" People did not want her around and she was banned. You are giving the Revolution the benefit of the doubt when they made it plain to Hucky that she was not to be around them and is it not eaiser to make sure that happens by keeping her out of the facility = banned.

I do not even want to know how you know he talked to Sunsannah after the Ebony interview and what that has to with what he said in the interview. Or why you think you get to say that talking to her was the right think to do. You have no idea how condensending that is.

Jill said flatly that "Wonderful Ass" was not written for Susannah. Jill was around when Prince gave a tape of the song to Vanity as a gift on the 1999 tour. The song is about Vanity. Jill contridicted what Lisa said in the media about the orgins of the song. Don't make me go back and get what Jill said exactly. Knock it off and let it go. The last time I looked this is not Wendy and Lisa org.

Jill Jones-Mühlum
9 Std. ·

Yes it's true. We were banned from Paisley Park. However, I was not present during this time that Apollonia took the photo. I was in fact airborne on my way to Mpls arriving at midnight. 2 hours after this hoopla occurred. Lol. Drama. I was informed the next day that I could not attend any events at Paisley. Me, Apollonia,Susan & Brenda. Do I care? No. Does it make me angry that I was also told that Hucky called a meeting prior to all of this informing our security that the Revolution wanted to make sure that I was kept separated from them during this event at Paisley? Not really it makes me laugh. I had no idea I rattled people as much as I do. Do I care? Not really. They can play the game. But I want to make it clear, I was never in it for the game. I am for real. I don't front. For the record joel weinshanker and shannon Pratt and scott march are behind the ban. Scott, they made him the face of th

Reply #171 posted 08/16/17 6:19am

Allanya

eek eek eek Wow to all of this. Catching up now.

Reply #172 posted 08/16/17 6:29am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Laurarichardson, you are more invested in pushing your own dramatic take on things than actually reading what you posted and comprehending it.

It never said she was not allowed at the celebration per the Revolution. In the post that you posted she clearly said she was not to be in contact with them. REASONABLE.

In the post that YOU POSTED, Jill never said the Revolution was behind her being banned.
In the post that YOU POSTED, she spelled out the names of the people behind it.

Prince and Susannah talked after the Ebony article, as friends do. He knew just talking to her was the thing to do.
Jill did not call out Lisa, she posted something on social media.
There is no rewriting history about Wonderful Ass.

One more time. I will bold it for you. Jill is saying "banned" Jill is saying the Revolution did not want her around. Jill is saying she had nothing to do with any "Photo" People did not want her around and she was banned. You are giving the Revolution the benefit of the doubt when they made it plain to Hucky that she was not to be around them and is it not eaiser to make sure that happens by keeping her out of the facility = banned.

I do not even want to know how you know he talked to Sunsannah after the Ebony interview and what that has to with what he said in the interview. Or why you think you get to say that talking to her was the right think to do. You have no idea how condensending that is.

Jill said flatly that "Wonderful Ass" was not written for Susannah. Jill was around when Prince gave a tape of the song to Vanity as a gift on the 1999 tour. The song is about Vanity. Jill contridicted what Lisa said in the media about the orgins of the song. Don't make me go back and get what Jill said exactly. Knock it off and let it go. The last time I looked this is not Wendy and Lisa org.

Jill Jones-Mühlum
9 Std. ·

Yes it's true. We were banned from Paisley Park. However, I was not present during this time that Apollonia took the photo. I was in fact airborne on my way to Mpls arriving at midnight. 2 hours after this hoopla occurred. Lol. Drama. I was informed the next day that I could not attend any events at Paisley. Me, Apollonia,Susan & Brenda. Do I care? No. Does it make me angry that I was also told that Hucky called a meeting prior to all of this informing our security that the Revolution wanted to make sure that I was kept separated from them during this event at Paisley? Not really it makes me laugh. I had no idea I rattled people as much as I do. Do I care? Not really. They can play the game. But I want to make it clear, I was never in it for the game. I am for real. I don't front. For the record joel weinshanker and shannon Pratt and scott march are behind the ban. Scott, they made him the face of th

You are not getting it. You are the only one seeing it that way.

BANNED FROM PAISLEY PARK (why) I WAS NOT PRESENT DURING THIS TIME THAT APOLLONIA TOOK THE PHOTO (how does that equate to the Revolution? that is PP management)

HUCKY(security) INFORMED OUR SECURITY THAT THE REVOLUION WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT (I)'not Apollonia Susan Brenda' WAS KEPT SEPERATE FROM THEM DURING THIS EVENT

FOR THE RECORD JOEL W SHARRON P and SCOT M ARE BEHIND THE BAN

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #173 posted 08/16/17 6:30am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

what does any of that have to do with it? They are the perfect people to work with the music from 1978-1986 to get it released.

The point is also that they were always friends.
Joshue & Hayes shouldn't be the ones to work on the music they had nothing to do with.

They are perfect people to work on the stuff that they acutally played on when they were around which was a short period of time in his career. He had people who worked with him longer and actually co-produced with him.

I am sure the guy that mowed the lawn and delivered his pizza were friends as well it does not mean those people should be screwing around with his music. W+L could not even get the details of "Wonderful Ass" right.

Who f... cares?

It is that music that is most coveted no matter what people want to believe.

And it was Lisa that talked about her remembrance of recording the song with Prince. And it does not degate the Vanity connection.

No Laurarichardson it is you that cannot get the details right, like you couldn't with Sheila E releasing 3 singles 4 her 3 album.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #174 posted 08/16/17 6:31am

Allanya

PennyPurple said:

One of the comments under Jill's FB posts states that they were banned because they helped sneak Apples phone out of the case so she could take a selfie in front of her mural on the wall. They were all banned because the rules apply to all.

Who knows?? Jill has been bitching for months now, want's credit for this, credit for that, possibly releasing some songs she shouldn't have.


Wendy and Lisa is wanting a say in the vault.


Eric Benet thinks he's Prince... and his wife wants him to be.

Sheila E is selling items with P's symbol but added a butterfly.


Several books have been written and several more are being written.

It's a never ending circus. Everyone thinks they are entitled to a piece of the Prince pie.

disbelief disbelief disbelief disbelief It's a mess.

Reply #175 posted 08/16/17 6:35am

Allanya

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I guess you all forgot Jill use to diss Prince on her Facebook page while he was alive, right?

eek

Wow you guys got all the tea. wink eek sad

Reply #176 posted 08/16/17 6:46am

Allanya

When I saw the photo of Apples in front of the mural ( on her IG ) I just thought she got permission from Tyka. Guess not. neutral

Reply #177 posted 08/16/17 7:02am

Allanya

Going to Paisley Park in a few weeks with my best friend and she is very obsessed with "talking selfies" and pictures. lol...Going to have to tell her about this because I don't want to get in trouble and I could see her doing something dumb like this. rolleyes hrmph

Reply #178 posted 08/16/17 7:10am

jaawwnn

Militant said:

If you believe Dez, there's a chance Prince never intended to keep The Revolution past 1986.

He gave the keynote at the Purple Reign Conference earlier this year which I attended, and when discussing his leaving the band, he said that in 1983, Prince told him that if he wanted to stay, he'd need him to guarantee a 3 year commitment. So, 1983-1986.

Meaning there's a very chance that Prince planned the entire "Prince & The Revolution" run in advance and always knew that he'd make a major change towards the end of 86.

huh, that's interesting. It's reading a lot into the statement and i'm not sure I buy it myself but it's worth considering alright hmmm

Reply #179 posted 08/16/17 7:14am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Allanya said:

Going to Paisley Park in a few weeks with my best friend and she is very obsessed with "talking selfies" and pictures. lol...Going to have to tell her about this because I don't want to get in trouble and I could see her doing something dumb like this. rolleyes hrmph

Uh oh.
yes, make sure you have all the correct protocals of Paisley Park first lol

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #180 posted 08/16/17 7:16am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Militant said:

If you believe Dez, there's a chance Prince never intended to keep The Revolution past 1986.

He gave the keynote at the Purple Reign Conference earlier this year which I attended, and when discussing his leaving the band, he said that in 1983, Prince told him that if he wanted to stay, he'd need him to guarantee a 3 year commitment. So, 1983-1986.

Meaning there's a very chance that Prince planned the entire "Prince & The Revolution" run in advance and always knew that he'd make a major change towards the end of 86.








I don't think that was the intent.

I don't think Prince knew what kind of rollercoaster of life would take place to be able to say that.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #181 posted 08/16/17 7:36am

babynoz

laurarichardson said:

babynoz said:



Listen Stanley, I am commenting on the topic like anyone else. The fact that you continue to follow me around and troll as though others such as Rogi and Morningsong didn't make similar comments makes me wonder why you are sooo obsessed with me?

No one is obsessed with you and I comment plenty on the nonsense of complaint about certain topics and still clicking on the topics anyway. Stop wasting your time since these topics are so beneath you.



Nah Stanley, I think I'm gonna hang around a lil 'mo longer and watch while these guys hand you your ass on a platter. popcorn

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
Reply #182 posted 08/16/17 8:42am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

Militant said:

If you believe Dez, there's a chance Prince never intended to keep The Revolution past 1986.

He gave the keynote at the Purple Reign Conference earlier this year which I attended, and when discussing his leaving the band, he said that in 1983, Prince told him that if he wanted to stay, he'd need him to guarantee a 3 year commitment. So, 1983-1986.

Meaning there's a very chance that Prince planned the entire "Prince & The Revolution" run in advance and always knew that he'd make a major change towards the end of 86.








I don't think that was the intent.

I don't think Prince knew what kind of rollercoaster of life would take place to be able to say that.

He said he was already tired of PR in the middle of the tour this guy had albums recorded 4 years ahead of what we were hearing.

Reply #183 posted 08/16/17 8:42am

laurarichardson

babynoz said:

laurarichardson said:

babynoz said: No one is obsessed with you and I comment plenty on the nonsense of complaint about certain topics and still clicking on the topics anyway. Stop wasting your time since these topics are so beneath you.



Nah Stanley, I think I'm gonna hang around a lil 'mo longer and watch while these guys hand you your ass on a platter. popcorn

Well pack a lunch because you will be waiting a long time for that one.

Reply #184 posted 08/16/17 8:57am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't think that was the intent.

I don't think Prince knew what kind of rollercoaster of life would take place to be able to say that.

He said he was already tired of PR in the middle of the tour this guy had albums recorded 4 years ahead of what we were hearing.

Dude, what did I tell U about staying focused.
How could he have been tired of Purple Rain in early 1982 early 1983, when talking to Dez about a 3 year contract?

He had music recorded he did not have 4 albums worth of music that was done in 1984 1985 1986 recorded yet. It happened in the moment.
He might have had a couple piano demos that turned into She's Always In My Hair etc but not most of the other stuff.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #185 posted 08/16/17 9:13am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

He said he was already tired of PR in the middle of the tour this guy had albums recorded 4 years ahead of what we were hearing.

Dude, what did I tell U about staying focused.
How could he have been tired of Purple Rain in early 1982 early 1983, when talking to Dez about a 3 year contract?

He had music recorded he did not have 4 albums worth of music that was done in 1984 1985 1986 recorded yet. It happened in the moment.
He might have had a couple piano demos that turned into She's Always In My Hair etc but not most of the other stuff.

If he was discussing a 3 year deal in 82 that would have taken that band to 85 you know right around the time when he said he was tired of the whole PR (that band) stituation don't you take as a clue that their time was limited.

We have no way of knowing how much music was recorded as we are finding out about new material all the time that know one has heard of.

I remember back when 1999 was out their was a rumor in all the black mags that there was another album that was suppose to come out after 1999 called "Underground"

You need to stop acting like you have spend time in the vault or know what was going on in Prince's mind at least I go by what actually came out of his own mouth without trying to insert my thoughts.

You are just as bad W+L with this nonsense

Reply #186 posted 08/16/17 9:25am

Militant

moderator

I think that Prince likely knew that he'd make a change after 3 years to keep things fresh.

It makes total sense the more you think about it.

If things were successful, then he'd change things up to avoid stagnating.


If things weren't, he could end it early.






Reply #187 posted 08/16/17 9:39am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Dude, what did I tell U about staying focused.
How could he have been tired of Purple Rain in early 1982 early 1983, when talking to Dez about a 3 year contract?

He had music recorded he did not have 4 albums worth of music that was done in 1984 1985 1986 recorded yet. It happened in the moment.
He might have had a couple piano demos that turned into She's Always In My Hair etc but not most of the other stuff.

If he was discussing a 3 year deal in 82 that would have taken that band to 85 you know right around the time when he said he was tired of the whole PR (that band) stituation don't you take as a clue that their time was limited.

We have no way of knowing how much music was recorded as we are finding out about new material all the time that know one has heard of.

I remember back when 1999 was out their was a rumor in all the black mags that there was another album that was suppose to come out after 1999 called "Underground"

You need to stop acting like you have spend time in the vault or know what was going on in Prince's mind at least I go by what actually came out of his own mouth without trying to insert my thoughts.

You are just as bad W+L with this nonsense

U love skirting around things.
I said late 82/83 when he was talking to Dez about contract renewal

Purple Rain hadn't even happened yet. So how could he have been tired of it.

It doesn't matter when the music started being recorded. The whole 'tired of it and ready to move on was by late 84. Purple Rain the movie was just about to start filming in early 83..

Dude, you should really stop. Get on proper time.

relax relate release

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #188 posted 08/16/17 9:42am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Militant said:

I think that Prince likely knew that he'd make a change after 3 years to keep things fresh.

It makes total sense the more you think about it.

If things were successful, then he'd change things up to avoid stagnating.


If things weren't, he could end it early.






I think that is more of a reflective thought though. In the moment going 100mph in 1982/83 excited for the high of the 1999 'triple threat' tour. I think when he talked to Dez about that he wasn't thinking so drastically. Even if directions changed or their was a band increase etc
I look back and think the Dream Factory / Flesh years would have been the Revolution members with Sheila E Eddie M Family members etc a bigger musical unit. With all those wonderful sounds coming out.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #189 posted 08/16/17 9:47am

1Sasha

So who took the pictures of Duff and Bruno Mars and his group at PP? A-Listers get a free pass - that's a given. B, C, D and No-Listers? They don't get the VIP treatment. IMO there are people who are on "a list" that the family (the heirs) will tolerate but that is about it. There is also probably a "don't want anything to do with them" list, too. If we think there have been a lot of lawyers the past 16 months, wait until the vault is organized and ownership of each song is tentatively determined. I think a lot of these people are going to want a piece of the action, unless they signed off on any rights years ago.

Reply #190 posted 08/16/17 9:58am

PennyPurple

1Sasha said:

So who took the pictures of Duff and Bruno Mars and his group at PP? A-Listers get a free pass - that's a given. B, C, D and No-Listers? They don't get the VIP treatment. IMO there are people who are on "a list" that the family (the heirs) will tolerate but that is about it. There is also probably a "don't want anything to do with them" list, too. If we think there have been a lot of lawyers the past 16 months, wait until the vault is organized and ownership of each song is tentatively determined. I think a lot of these people are going to want a piece of the action, unless they signed off on any rights years ago.

I think someone said it was in the picture taking area for the guests who buy the VIP tickets. PP takes their picture and you can buy it, or have it downloaded to a flashdrive.

Reply #191 posted 08/16/17 10:00am

morningsong

1Sasha said:

So who took the pictures of Duff and Bruno Mars and his group at PP? A-Listers get a free pass - that's a given. B, C, D and No-Listers? They don't get the VIP treatment. IMO there are people who are on "a list" that the family (the heirs) will tolerate but that is about it. There is also probably a "don't want anything to do with them" list, too. If we think there have been a lot of lawyers the past 16 months, wait until the vault is organized and ownership of each song is tentatively determined. I think a lot of these people are going to want a piece of the action, unless they signed off on any rights years ago.


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“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #192 posted 08/16/17 10:41am

1Sasha

Do you really think they PAID to get in? I don't.

Reply #193 posted 08/16/17 10:55am

rogifan

1Sasha said:

Do you really think they PAID to get in?  I don't.


Even if they didn’t pay to get in there photo was taken at the same spot everybody else gets to take a photo. There was no special treatment from what I could tell.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #194 posted 08/16/17 10:55am

morningsong

1Sasha said:

Do you really think they PAID to get in? I don't.



Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. What I know is a ton of people have posted their picture taken at the same exact spot, celebrity or not. So make of it as you will.

“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #195 posted 08/16/17 12:17pm

laurarichardson

1Sasha said:

So who took the pictures of Duff and Bruno Mars and his group at PP? A-Listers get a free pass - that's a given. B, C, D and No-Listers? They don't get the VIP treatment. IMO there are people who are on "a list" that the family (the heirs) will tolerate but that is about it. There is also probably a "don't want anything to do with them" list, too. If we think there have been a lot of lawyers the past 16 months, wait until the vault is organized and ownership of each song is tentatively determined. I think a lot of these people are going to want a piece of the action, unless they signed off on any rights years ago.

Co-sign. There may be a move to push certian people out now because people are going to try and make copyright claims. ( Look at Ian Boxhill) Althought treating people like dirt never motivated anyone to not sue.

biggrin

[Edited 8/16/17 12:23pm]

Reply #196 posted 08/16/17 1:02pm

Rev

OldFriends4Sale said:

Rev said:

These associated artist seem to want to project their memories as "the truth". Jill's mouth will not allow them to walk un challenged in their new purple safety bubble.

No wonder he broke up the Revolution. Jill wasn't the problem. Like Prince was going to take crap from Wendy after him and Susannah broke up. See ya.

R U even schooled on this history.
Prince remained friends with them throught his life and had them perform with him and offered input on their album and had them do some work on one his latter albums.

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Hi, I've been around since the 2nd album. I was speaking to his relationship(s) situation at the time. Not musically or friendships. Prince was talented at making women feel unique/special. I'm sure Wendy reporting back to Susannah was prohibitive to his game. Not the main reason for breaking up the band, but probably a nice benefit.

Reply #197 posted 08/16/17 1:52pm

laurarichardson

Rev said:

 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 



Rev said:


 


 


These associated artist seem to want to project their memories as "the truth".  Jill's mouth will not allow them to walk un challenged in their new purple safety bubble.


No wonder he broke up the Revolution. Jill wasn't the problem. Like Prince was going to take crap from Wendy after him and Susannah broke up. See ya.



 


R U even schooled on this history.
Prince remained friends with them throught his life and had them perform with him and offered input on their album and had them do some work on one his latter albums.


 


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Hi, I've been around since the 2nd album. I was speaking to his relationship(s) situation at the time. Not musically or friendships. Prince was talented at making women feel unique/special. I'm sure Wendy reporting back to Susannah was prohibitive to his game. Not the main reason for breaking up the band, but probably a nice benefit.


--Could be because Devin Devasquez said she went out to a couple of PR shows to meet Prince and that she saw Wendy and Lisa and wanted to be introduced but he refused to introduce her and she never met the band at all. She had Wally to escort her to Prince's hotel suite and she hung out with him.
Reply #198 posted 08/16/17 1:57pm

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 


 


Dude, what did I tell U about staying focused.
How could he have been tired of Purple Rain in early 1982 early 1983, when talking to Dez about a 3 year contract?


 


He had music recorded he did not have 4 albums worth of music that was done in 1984 1985 1986 recorded yet. It happened in the moment.
He might have had a couple piano demos that turned into She's Always In My Hair etc but not most of the other stuff.



If he was discussing a 3 year deal in 82 that would have taken that band to 85 you know right around the time when he said he was tired of the whole PR (that band)  stituation don't you take as a clue that their time was limited.


 


We have no way of knowing how  much music was recorded as we are finding out about new material all the time that know one has heard of. 


 


I remember back when 1999 was out their was a rumor in all the black mags that there was another album that was suppose to come out after 1999 called "Underground"  


 


You  need to stop acting like you have spend time in the vault or know what was going on in Prince's mind at least I go by what actually came out of his own mouth without trying to insert my thoughts. 


You are just as bad W+L with this nonsense 



 


U love skirting around things.
I said late 82/83 when he was talking to Dez about contract renewal

Purple Rain hadn't even happened yet. So how could he have been tired of it.


 


It doesn't matter when the music started being recorded. The whole 'tired of it and ready to move on was by late 84.  Purple Rain the movie was just about to start filming in early 83..

Dude, you should really stop. Get on proper time.


relax relate release


 


I said Pr/Band stiuation he had already started working on the idea for the movie while on the 1999 tour. So he only had contacts for the duration of the project. Read what Militant wrote as he is correct. I think you cannot accept the fact that Revolution was just hired hands for a few projects.
Reply #199 posted 08/16/17 2:06pm

malbena

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This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #200 posted 08/16/17 3:15pm

morningsong

^ What is all that about?

“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #201 posted 08/16/17 3:25pm

malbena

morningsong said:

^ What is all that about?

None of your business lol

This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #202 posted 08/16/17 3:28pm

morningsong

malbena said:

morningsong said:

^ What is all that about?

None of your business lol



Well alrighty then. lol

“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #203 posted 08/16/17 3:32pm

malbena

morningsong said:

malbena said:

None of your business lol



Well alrighty then. lol

hug Morningsong

bitchfight Appolonia

This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
Reply #204 posted 08/16/17 4:13pm

morningsong

malbena said:

morningsong said:



Well alrighty then. lol

hug Morningsong

bitchfight Appolonia



Oh get it. hug it's all good.

“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #205 posted 08/16/17 4:51pm

GaryMF

laurarichardson said:


If you are not allowed to be somewhere you are banned. Jill uses the word "banned" on her Facebook page. She was not allowed to be at the celebration per the Revolution this is what Jill stated not me. If you have issues with use of the word "banned "take it up with her. I also do not hate anyone I think the Melvoins are full of shit but I do not hate people I do not know. I have no issues with the no picture ban but Jill said she was not taking any pictures so who has a reading comprehension problem? Those sisters are petty and Prince himself called Susanannah out in the Ebony for her nonsense about " The Beautiful Ones" and Jill called Lisa out for her foolishness about " Wonderful Ass" Some people are rewriting history to build themselves up and to wiggle a check out of the estate. I would think that even Ray Charles could see what is going on at this point. [Edited 8/16/17 3:10am]

Re-read your own posts and quotes.

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1. Jill & A6 were Banned. CORRECT.

THEY WERE BANNED BY PP PERSONNEL named by Jill (don;t remember their names)

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2. The Revoultion asked to have Jill "kept away or separate from them". CORRECT. Per Jill's quote you referenced.

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3. #1 and #2 ARE SEPARATE CONCEPTS!!!!!!

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what do you not understand??? .

Her banning from PP was by different parties from the Revolution who did Not "BAN" her but asked to have "kept separate."

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BONUS POINT: If in fact the Revolution had "BANNED" Jill, there would be no reason for them to ask to keep her "separate" since she wouldn't be in the building.

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In fact, #2 suggests the Revolution didn't even know about #1 (i.e. that Jill was banned).

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Hopefully this is simple enough for you to comprehend.

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I won't get into the Melvoin thing. You have nothing to do with the Melvoins or Prince so anything you say is pure speculation.

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And you keep accusing Lisa & the Rev of "trying to get $$$ of the estate". This is potentially libelous. They aren't doing any such thing. They are performing as a band which is their right to do and they pay the proper performance roylaties.

.

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Lisa is giving her OPINION On certain songs. So what if she's incorrect? All she really said is they were "thinking about the Melvoins' asses" when they recorded that version?

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.That doesn't PRECLUDE the fact that P wrote it about Vanity.

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See.....2 things can be true at the same time!!!!! Get it???.

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Also, even if she were outright lying about the song, it doesnt' gain her any more $$$$.

[Edited 8/16/17 16:52pm]

[Edited 8/16/17 16:54pm]

rainbow
Reply #206 posted 08/16/17 5:28pm

laurarichardson

GaryMF said:

laurarichardson said:


If you are not allowed to be somewhere you are banned. Jill uses the word "banned" on her Facebook page. She was not allowed to be at the celebration per the Revolution this is what Jill stated not me. If you have issues with use of the word "banned "take it up with her. I also do not hate anyone I think the Melvoins are full of shit but I do not hate people I do not know. I have no issues with the no picture ban but Jill said she was not taking any pictures so who has a reading comprehension problem? Those sisters are petty and Prince himself called Susanannah out in the Ebony for her nonsense about " The Beautiful Ones" and Jill called Lisa out for her foolishness about " Wonderful Ass" Some people are rewriting history to build themselves up and to wiggle a check out of the estate. I would think that even Ray Charles could see what is going on at this point. [Edited 8/16/17 3:10am]

Re-read your own posts and quotes.

.

.

1. Jill & A6 were Banned. CORRECT.

THEY WERE BANNED BY PP PERSONNEL named by Jill (don;t remember their names)

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2. The Revoultion asked to have Jill "kept away or separate from them". CORRECT. Per Jill's quote you referenced.

.

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3. #1 and #2 ARE SEPARATE CONCEPTS!!!!!!

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.

what do you not understand??? .

Her banning from PP was by different parties from the Revolution who did Not "BAN" her but asked to have "kept separate."

.

.

BONUS POINT: If in fact the Revolution had "BANNED" Jill, there would be no reason for them to ask to keep her "separate" since she wouldn't be in the building.

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In fact, #2 suggests the Revolution didn't even know about #1 (i.e. that Jill was banned).

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Hopefully this is simple enough for you to comprehend.

.

.

I won't get into the Melvoin thing. You have nothing to do with the Melvoins or Prince so anything you say is pure speculation.

.

.

And you keep accusing Lisa & the Rev of "trying to get $$$ of the estate". This is potentially libelous. They aren't doing any such thing. They are performing as a band which is their right to do and they pay the proper performance roylaties.

.

.

Lisa is giving her OPINION On certain songs. So what if she's incorrect? All she really said is they were "thinking about the Melvoins' asses" when they recorded that version?

.

.That doesn't PRECLUDE the fact that P wrote it about Vanity.

.

See.....2 things can be true at the same time!!!!! Get it???.

.

Also, even if she were outright lying about the song, it doesnt' gain her any more $$$$.

[Edited 8/16/17 16:52pm]

[Edited 8/16/17 16:54pm]

Who do you think asked for them to be banned? Do you think Graceland people even know who Jill Jones is? She did not take a picture so why would she be banned from the celebration events ( her words not mine)? Who from Graceland would care about her being there?

You are getting caught up in semantics . Separate and banning in this case are really the same thing. (The Revolution did not want her around them and the PP people had her banned from the premises thus insuring she would be around no one. How are these two things different? The in result is “ We do not want you here and we have fixed it so you will not be participating in events at Paisley Park. In other words you are not being allowed in the building and we are all working together to make it happen since a meeting was actually called to discuss it. Oh and we are too stupid to even communicate exactly why. It is very juvenile and silly.

See below again.

Drama. I was informed the next day that I could not attend any events at Paisley. Me, Apollonia,Susan & Brenda. Do I care? No. Does it make me angry that I was also told that Hucky called a meeting prior to all of this informing our security that the Revolution wanted to make sure that I was kept separated from them during this event at Paisley?”

Hopefully this is simple enough for you to comprehend that this is the way I see the situation. You do not have to like it or agree with it.

I won't get into the Melvoin thing. You have nothing to do with the Melvoins or Prince so anything you say is pure speculation.

I am free to speculate all I like but I actually use the things people have said out of their own pie holes so not to much speculating is going on.

.

.

And you keep accusing Lisa & the Rev of "trying to get $$$ of the estate". This is potentially libelous. They aren't doing any such thing. They are performing as a band which is their right to do and they pay the proper performance royalties.

I am not talking about them performing as a band. It is obvious that they are angling to work on re-masters and trust me they will not be doing it for free.

.

.

Lisa is giving her OPINION On certain songs. So what if she's incorrect? All she really said is they were "thinking about the Melvoins' asses" when they recorded that version?

.Maybe she was thinking about the “Melvoins” but according to Jill she was wrong and it was just a way to put herself into the mix. If something is not true it is not true and there is nothing wrong with people who were around at the time pointing it out.

.That doesn't PRECLUDE the fact that P wrote it about Vanity.

Apparently it does for the Lisa because that is not what she said in the media.

.

See.....2 things can be true at the same time!!!!! Get it???.

No, things are either true or false.

I am done with this conversation. I have right to my opinion on the situation as you have a right to yours.

Reply #207 posted 08/16/17 6:01pm

GaryMF

laurarichardson said:

GaryMF said:

Re-read your own posts and quotes.

.

.

1. Jill & A6 were Banned. CORRECT.

THEY WERE BANNED BY PP PERSONNEL named by Jill (don;t remember their names)

.

.

2. The Revoultion asked to have Jill "kept away or separate from them". CORRECT. Per Jill's quote you referenced.

.

.

3. #1 and #2 ARE SEPARATE CONCEPTS!!!!!!

.

.

what do you not understand??? .

Her banning from PP was by different parties from the Revolution who did Not "BAN" her but asked to have "kept separate."

.

.

BONUS POINT: If in fact the Revolution had "BANNED" Jill, there would be no reason for them to ask to keep her "separate" since she wouldn't be in the building.

.

In fact, #2 suggests the Revolution didn't even know about #1 (i.e. that Jill was banned).

.

Hopefully this is simple enough for you to comprehend.

.

.

I won't get into the Melvoin thing. You have nothing to do with the Melvoins or Prince so anything you say is pure speculation.

.

.

And you keep accusing Lisa & the Rev of "trying to get $$$ of the estate". This is potentially libelous. They aren't doing any such thing. They are performing as a band which is their right to do and they pay the proper performance roylaties.

.

.

Lisa is giving her OPINION On certain songs. So what if she's incorrect? All she really said is they were "thinking about the Melvoins' asses" when they recorded that version?

.

.That doesn't PRECLUDE the fact that P wrote it about Vanity.

.

See.....2 things can be true at the same time!!!!! Get it???.

.

Also, even if she were outright lying about the song, it doesnt' gain her any more $$$$.

[Edited 8/16/17 16:52pm]

[Edited 8/16/17 16:54pm]

Who do you think asked for them to be banned? Do you think Graceland people even know who Jill Jones is? She did not take a picture so why would she be banned from the celebration events ( her words not mine)? Who from Graceland would care about her being there?

You are getting caught up in semantics . Separate and banning in this case are really the same thing. (The Revolution did not want her around them and the PP people had her banned from the premises thus insuring she would be around no one. How are these two things different? The in result is “ We do not want you here and we have fixed it so you will not be participating in events at Paisley Park. In other words you are not being allowed in the building and we are all working together to make it happen since a meeting was actually called to discuss it. Oh and we are too stupid to even communicate exactly why. It is very juvenile and silly.

See below again.

Drama. I was informed the next day that I could not attend any events at Paisley. Me, Apollonia,Susan & Brenda. Do I care? No. Does it make me angry that I was also told that Hucky called a meeting prior to all of this informing our security that the Revolution wanted to make sure that I was kept separated from them during this event at Paisley?”

Hopefully this is simple enough for you to comprehend that this is the way I see the situation. You do not have to like it or agree with it.

I won't get into the Melvoin thing. You have nothing to do with the Melvoins or Prince so anything you say is pure speculation.

I am free to speculate all I like but I actually use the things people have said out of their own pie holes so not to much speculating is going on.

.

.

And you keep accusing Lisa & the Rev of "trying to get $$$ of the estate". This is potentially libelous. They aren't doing any such thing. They are performing as a band which is their right to do and they pay the proper performance royalties.

I am not talking about them performing as a band. It is obvious that they are angling to work on re-masters and trust me they will not be doing it for free.

.

.

Lisa is giving her OPINION On certain songs. So what if she's incorrect? All she really said is they were "thinking about the Melvoins' asses" when they recorded that version?

.Maybe she was thinking about the “Melvoins” but according to Jill she was wrong and it was just a way to put herself into the mix. If something is not true it is not true and there is nothing wrong with people who were around at the time pointing it out.

.That doesn't PRECLUDE the fact that P wrote it about Vanity.

Apparently it does for the Lisa because that is not what she said in the media.

.

See.....2 things can be true at the same time!!!!! Get it???.

No, things are either true or false.

I am done with this conversation. I have right to my opinion on the situation as you have a right to yours.

Yes I'm done as well because you just proved your limits in cognition.

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you just showed you don't understand the concept of things "NOT BEING MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE".

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i.e. 1) Prince DID write WA about Vanity

and

2) Lisa said they were referring to Susannah and Wendy WHEN they SANG IT

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.

Since you don't understand that both these things can be true at the same time and neither negates the other, you clearly cannot have rational arguments.

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Good evening.

rainbow
Reply #208 posted 08/16/17 6:18pm

laurarichardson

GaryMF said:

laurarichardson said:

Who do you think asked for them to be banned? Do you think Graceland people even know who Jill Jones is? She did not take a picture so why would she be banned from the celebration events ( her words not mine)? Who from Graceland would care about her being there?

You are getting caught up in semantics . Separate and banning in this case are really the same thing. (The Revolution did not want her around them and the PP people had her banned from the premises thus insuring she would be around no one. How are these two things different? The in result is “ We do not want you here and we have fixed it so you will not be participating in events at Paisley Park. In other words you are not being allowed in the building and we are all working together to make it happen since a meeting was actually called to discuss it. Oh and we are too stupid to even communicate exactly why. It is very juvenile and silly.

See below again.

Drama. I was informed the next day that I could not attend any events at Paisley. Me, Apollonia,Susan & Brenda. Do I care? No. Does it make me angry that I was also told that Hucky called a meeting prior to all of this informing our security that the Revolution wanted to make sure that I was kept separated from them during this event at Paisley?”

Hopefully this is simple enough for you to comprehend that this is the way I see the situation. You do not have to like it or agree with it.

I won't get into the Melvoin thing. You have nothing to do with the Melvoins or Prince so anything you say is pure speculation.

I am free to speculate all I like but I actually use the things people have said out of their own pie holes so not to much speculating is going on.

.

.

And you keep accusing Lisa & the Rev of "trying to get $$$ of the estate". This is potentially libelous. They aren't doing any such thing. They are performing as a band which is their right to do and they pay the proper performance royalties.

I am not talking about them performing as a band. It is obvious that they are angling to work on re-masters and trust me they will not be doing it for free.

.

.

Lisa is giving her OPINION On certain songs. So what if she's incorrect? All she really said is they were "thinking about the Melvoins' asses" when they recorded that version?

.Maybe she was thinking about the “Melvoins” but according to Jill she was wrong and it was just a way to put herself into the mix. If something is not true it is not true and there is nothing wrong with people who were around at the time pointing it out.

.That doesn't PRECLUDE the fact that P wrote it about Vanity.

Apparently it does for the Lisa because that is not what she said in the media.

.

See.....2 things can be true at the same time!!!!! Get it???.

No, things are either true or false.

I am done with this conversation. I have right to my opinion on the situation as you have a right to yours.

Yes I'm done as well because you just proved your limits in cognition.

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.

you just showed you don't understand the concept of things "NOT BEING MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE".

.

.

i.e. 1) Prince DID write WA about Vanity

and

2) Lisa said they were referring to Susannah and Wendy WHEN they SANG IT

.

.

Since you don't understand that both these things can be true at the same time and neither negates the other, you clearly cannot have rational arguments.

.

Good evening.

That is not what she is saying from the Star Tribune.

http://www.startribune.com/revolution-keyboardist-shares-untold-stories-from-prince-s-soon-to-be-reissued-purple-rain/428738003/

1) Who knew they were famous for their flat asses? WTF

2) Was Prince writing about his own butt ( because if you listen to the song that is not the case)

3) She is saying the song is about Susannah. Jill is saying the song was written before Susan came along for Vanitiy. She saw Prince give the song to Vanity.

4) I honestly think Lisa does not have the foggiest idea who the song was about and is really just a goof ball.

I think the song was about Vanity and he just asked Lisa to sing on it and this is no different than " The Beautiful Ones" What she is saying is simpley not true.

“Wonderful Ass”

“Wendy and her twin sister, Susannah, are pretty famous for having nice butts. And Prince did have one of the world’s cutest butts. Prince was dating Susannah, and I was with Wendy. It was us being goofy about our girlfriends. I sang co-lead with Prince. It was a happy-go-lucky time.”

[Edited 8/16/17 18:23pm]

Reply #209 posted 08/16/17 8:18pm

purplefam99

PennyPurple said:

Apples wasn't in the movie because she was something special. P needed someone to take Vanity's place ASAP.  It wasn't because she was a great actress, or had a great singing voice, because she was neither of those. She was just in the right place at the right time, and P was in a pinch.



Vashtix said:


 



malbena said:


Vashtix said: Surely you are entitled to your opinion. I don't find Appolonia attractive because I prefer natural aging as opposed to plastic and I am sorry to say she is old and patched up. Desperately trying. I have nothing against Brenda and Susan. Jill could use some love. Appolonia has made poor decisions when she decided to gang up against Mayte. She lost my respect for her ever since. [Edited 8/14/17 16:25pm]

That does not mean she is patched up and not part of an important time in the Purple History.


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Apples was in the movie; Apples is singing Take Me With You Apples is the one  in Appolonia 6 in the movie.


I may not be a fan but that is just as true as all M1 was in the 90s . I do not have to be  a fan but their contributions cannot be denied.


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They all deserve to validated for their part over the years and that includes Apples. Especially because she was in the iconic movie. It was Apples as the beautiful love interest.


[Edited 8/14/17 16:35pm]



 



Being in the right place at the right time can make people significant. Just ask Kim
Berry.
[Edited 8/16/17 20:19pm]
Reply #210 posted 08/16/17 8:23pm

purplefam99

Vashtix said:

 



PennyPurple said:


Apples wasn't in the movie because she was something special. P needed someone to take Vanity's place ASAP.  It wasn't because she was a great actress, or had a great singing voice, because she was neither of those. She was just in the right place at the right time, and P was in a pinch.



Vashtix said:


 


That does not mean she is patched up and not part of an important time in the Purple History.


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Apples was in the movie; Apples is singing Take Me With You Apples is the one  in Appolonia 6 in the movie.


I may not be a fan but that is just as true as all M1 was in the 90s . I do not have to be  a fan but their contributions cannot be denied.


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They all deserve to validated for their part over the years and that includes Apples. Especially because she was in the iconic movie. It was Apples as the beautiful love interest.


[Edited 8/14/17 16:35pm]



 



No matter why. Apples was in the movie as it ended up. Sure she was playing Vanity but it does not matter. In the end Apples was on the big screen. That reason alone she deserves to be part of any celebration just as much as the others.



What Vashtix said^^^!!!
Reply #211 posted 08/16/17 9:03pm

purplefam99

morningsong said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Graceland management lets you take all the photos you want at elvis's place...I totally understand why prince did not want photos taken while he was alive as paisley park was his sanctuary. But i don't see the sense of it now, as it is open to the public, I would think now with social media, paisley park would be getting massive free advertising if all the people that visited posted about it. It's no secret what they have on display so what's the deal? once you open a space up to the public what is the point of the hardcore photo stance?




All I got to say is, where were these folks on April 21,2016 at 3am? In their own house doing exactly what they wanted to do perhaps? All of them. Why are they constantly goading the fanbase into these petty azzed squabbles over stupid stuff? If you check the org even the fanbase was chomping at the bit because instinctually we knew something was wrong and wanted to be there on watch. So. Ask me again about who gets the privilege of not following the simple rules in Prince's final resting place?

Needed fixing.
[Edited 8/15/17 10:57am]


What I was thinking.^^
Reply #212 posted 08/16/17 9:07pm

purplefam99

malbena said:

morningsong said:





All I got to say is, where were these folks on April 20,2016 at 3am? In their own house doing exactly what they wanted to do perhaps? All of them. Why are they constantly goading the fanbase into these petty azzed squabbles over stupid stuff? If you check the org even the fanbase was chomping at the bit because instinctually we knew something was wrong and wanted to be there on watch. So. Ask me again about who gets the privilege of not following the simple rules in Prince's final resting place?


Exactly, Morning! Who gets that privilege?



Good point Morning, the fact that it is his final resting place is reason enough not to allow photographs.
Reply #213 posted 08/17/17 5:23am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

GaryMF said:

Yes I'm done as well because you just proved your limits in cognition.

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you just showed you don't understand the concept of things "NOT BEING MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE".

.

.

i.e. 1) Prince DID write WA about Vanity

and

2) Lisa said they were referring to Susannah and Wendy WHEN they SANG IT

.

.

Since you don't understand that both these things can be true at the same time and neither negates the other, you clearly cannot have rational arguments.

.

Good evening.

That is not what she is saying from the Star Tribune.

http://www.startribune.com/revolution-keyboardist-shares-untold-stories-from-prince-s-soon-to-be-reissued-purple-rain/428738003/

1) Who knew they were famous for their flat asses? WTF

2) Was Prince writing about his own butt ( because if you listen to the song that is not the case)

3) She is saying the song is about Susannah. Jill is saying the song was written before Susan came along for Vanitiy. She saw Prince give the song to Vanity.

4) I honestly think Lisa does not have the foggiest idea who the song was about and is really just a goof ball.

I think the song was about Vanity and he just asked Lisa to sing on it and this is no different than " The Beautiful Ones" What she is saying is simpley not true.

“Wonderful Ass”

“Wendy and her twin sister, Susannah, are pretty famous for having nice butts. And Prince did have one of the world’s cutest butts. Prince was dating Susannah, and I was with Wendy. It was us being goofy about our girlfriends. I sang co-lead with Prince. It was a happy-go-lucky time.”

[Edited 8/16/17 18:23pm]

Let it go.

She was asked to talk about her memories of recording the song.
What she said was true, and did not negate the Vanity connection.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #214 posted 08/17/17 7:38am

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



GaryMF said:


 


Yes I'm done as well because you just proved your limits in cognition. 


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you  just showed you don't understand the concept of things "NOT BEING MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE". 


.


.


 


i.e. 1) Prince DID write WA about Vanity


 and


2) Lisa said they were referring to Susannah and Wendy WHEN they SANG IT


.


.


 Since you don't understand that both these things can be true at the same time and neither negates the other, you clearly cannot have rational arguments. 


.


Good evening.



That is not what she is saying from the Star Tribune.


http://www.startribune.com/revolution-keyboardist-shares-untold-stories-from-prince-s-soon-to-be-reissued-purple-rain/428738003/


1) Who knew they were famous for their flat asses? WTF


2) Was Prince writing about his own butt ( because if you listen to the song that is not the case)


3) She is saying the song is about Susannah. Jill is saying the song was written before Susan came along for Vanitiy. She saw Prince give the song to Vanity.


4) I honestly think Lisa does not have the foggiest idea who the song was about and is really just a goof ball.


I think the song was about Vanity and he just asked Lisa to sing on it and this is no different than " The Beautiful Ones"  What she is saying is simpley not true.


 


“Wonderful Ass”


“Wendy and her twin sister, Susannah, are pretty famous for having nice butts. And Prince did have one of the world’s cutest butts. Prince was dating Susannah, and I was with Wendy. It was us being goofy about our girlfriends. I sang co-lead with Prince. It was a happy-go-lucky time.”


[Edited 8/16/17 18:23pm]



 


Let it go.


 


She was asked to talk about her memories of recording the song.
What she said was true, and did not negate the Vanity connection.


 


 



Could be that he wrote it about Vanity but when he sang it with lisa they were dating the sisters and started joking around about butts and having fun and he never bothered to out and out correct her and say " lisa I'm having fun with you right now, but I need you to know that when I actually wrote this song it was for vanity, ok now let's go back joking and singing." your both likely correct.

Good morning!
Reply #215 posted 08/17/17 8:27am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

That is not what she is saying from the Star Tribune.

http://www.startribune.com/revolution-keyboardist-shares-untold-stories-from-prince-s-soon-to-be-reissued-purple-rain/428738003/

1) Who knew they were famous for their flat asses? WTF

2) Was Prince writing about his own butt ( because if you listen to the song that is not the case)

3) She is saying the song is about Susannah. Jill is saying the song was written before Susan came along for Vanitiy. She saw Prince give the song to Vanity.

4) I honestly think Lisa does not have the foggiest idea who the song was about and is really just a goof ball.

I think the song was about Vanity and he just asked Lisa to sing on it and this is no different than " The Beautiful Ones" What she is saying is simpley not true.

“Wonderful Ass”

“Wendy and her twin sister, Susannah, are pretty famous for having nice butts. And Prince did have one of the world’s cutest butts. Prince was dating Susannah, and I was with Wendy. It was us being goofy about our girlfriends. I sang co-lead with Prince. It was a happy-go-lucky time.”

[Edited 8/16/17 18:23pm]

Let it go.

She was asked to talk about her memories of recording the song.
What she said was true, and did not negate the Vanity connection.

This is the usual response when it comes to pointing out the nonsense with W&L

Reply #216 posted 08/17/17 8:59am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Let it go.

She was asked to talk about her memories of recording the song.
What she said was true, and did not negate the Vanity connection.

This is the usual response when it comes to pointing out the nonsense with W&L

no it is your down the street around the block over the hill avoidance

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #217 posted 08/17/17 9:01am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Let it go.

She was asked to talk about her memories of recording the song.
What she said was true, and did not negate the Vanity connection.

Could be that he wrote it about Vanity but when he sang it with lisa they were dating the sisters and started joking around about butts and having fun and he never bothered to out and out correct her and say " lisa I'm having fun with you right now, but I need you to know that when I actually wrote this song it was for vanity, ok now let's go back joking and singing." your both likely correct. Good morning!

That is what I and a few others have been saying for the longest.

A song has a way of evolving.

dual inspirations in Prince's music are not uncommon.

ie When Doves Cry (Susan Moonsie, real life parents, onscreen parents)

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #218 posted 08/17/17 10:20am

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said: Could be that he wrote it about Vanity but when he sang it with lisa they were dating the sisters and started joking around about butts and having fun and he never bothered to out and out correct her and say " lisa I'm having fun with you right now, but I need you to know that when I actually wrote this song it was for vanity, ok now let's go back joking and singing." your both likely correct. Good morning!

That is what I and a few others have been saying for the longest.

A song has a way of evolving.

dual inspirations in Prince's music are not uncommon.

ie When Doves Cry (Susan Moonsie, real life parents, onscreen parents)

yes he loved mystique, what better way to encourage it.

Reply #219 posted 08/17/17 10:35am

Zannaloaf

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Let it go.

She was asked to talk about her memories of recording the song.
What she said was true, and did not negate the Vanity connection.

This is the usual response when it comes to pointing out the nonsense with W&L

becasue you have no better knoweldge than anyone else who didn't actually work with Prince. You have zero actual idea what anyone said or didn't say. Like the rest of us.

Reply #220 posted 08/17/17 11:36am

GaryMF

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said: Could be that he wrote it about Vanity but when he sang it with lisa they were dating the sisters and started joking around about butts and having fun and he never bothered to out and out correct her and say " lisa I'm having fun with you right now, but I need you to know that when I actually wrote this song it was for vanity, ok now let's go back joking and singing." your both likely correct. Good morning!

That is what I and a few others have been saying for the longest.

A song has a way of evolving.

dual inspirations in Prince's music are not uncommon.

ie When Doves Cry (Susan Moonsie, real life parents, onscreen parents)

Yes, that is what we've been trying to expain to LauraRichardson, but she seems to have some kind of cognitive issue and can't comprehend it.

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Laura: Here's another example maybe you can understand.

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Let's say yesterday, someone reading this thread, let's call him "Steve", sat down and wrote a song, called "Annoying Stupid Bitch" set to the music of "Irresistable Bitch" (Live Syracuse '85 version) smile. He composed it and recorded it on his computer using Garage Band.

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A year later, Steve is with his band, in the studio. This woman, Doreen, who works there keeps annoying them, barging in, just bothering the band all day.

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Someone says, "Hey, let's play that song Steve wrote, "Annoying Stupid Bitch."

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They all start playing and singing the song, laughing and joking about a bitch Doreen is. They record it and label it "Annoying Stupid Bitch (2018 version)".

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They release it on iTunes and it becomes a big hit!

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Rolling Stone interviews Steve about the song and he says: "Yeah I wrote it last year about this stupid bitch on Prince.org who woudn't stop jabbering on about something that made no sense, and was annoying everyone on the thread."

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Spin magazine couldn't talk to Steve cuz he was talking to RS, so they interview Lisa and Donald from the band who say "Yeah we were in the studio earlier this year and this bitch Doreen who worked there was bothering us all day so we decided to play this song Steve wrote. We wre laughing and joking about Doreen as we sang it. Everyone knows Doreen is a bitch so we thought it would be funny."

See...... 2 things can be true at the same time!

rainbow
Reply #221 posted 08/17/17 1:53pm

paulludvig

GaryMF said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That is what I and a few others have been saying for the longest.

A song has a way of evolving.

dual inspirations in Prince's music are not uncommon.

ie When Doves Cry (Susan Moonsie, real life parents, onscreen parents)

Yes, that is what we've been trying to expain to LauraRichardson, but she seems to have some kind of cognitive issue and can't comprehend it.

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Laura: Here's another example maybe you can understand.

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.

Let's say yesterday, someone reading this thread, let's call him "Steve", sat down and wrote a song, called "Annoying Stupid Bitch" set to the music of "Irresistable Bitch" (Live Syracuse '85 version) smile. He composed it and recorded it on his computer using Garage Band.

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.

A year later, Steve is with his band, in the studio. This woman, Doreen, who works there keeps annoying them, barging in, just bothering the band all day.

.

.

Someone says, "Hey, let's play that song Steve wrote, "Annoying Stupid Bitch."

.

.

They all start playing and singing the song, laughing and joking about a bitch Doreen is. They record it and label it "Annoying Stupid Bitch (2018 version)".

.

.

They release it on iTunes and it becomes a big hit!

.

.

Rolling Stone interviews Steve about the song and he says: "Yeah I wrote it last year about this stupid bitch on Prince.org who woudn't stop jabbering on about something that made no sense, and was annoying everyone on the thread."

.

.

Spin magazine couldn't talk to Steve cuz he was talking to RS, so they interview Lisa and Donald from the band who say "Yeah we were in the studio earlier this year and this bitch Doreen who worked there was bothering us all day so we decided to play this song Steve wrote. We wre laughing and joking about Doreen as we sang it. Everyone knows Doreen is a bitch so we thought it would be funny."

See...... 2 things can be true at the same time!

Sure.But that is notwas Lisa is saying. She said in a recent interview that Wonderful Ass was WRITTEN ABOUT Susannah. Not inspired by during a re-recording. Lisa was wrong. Maybe she forgot, maybe she didn't know the real story behind the song.

The wooh is on the one!
Reply #222 posted 08/17/17 2:04pm

CharismaDove

yeah right.. Prince making a song called wonderful ass about 2 sisters that had no ass definition whatsoever lol

I guess you know me well, I dont like winter, but I seem to get a kick outta doing you cold
Reply #223 posted 08/17/17 2:36pm

purplefam99

paulludvig said:

 



GaryMF said:


 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 


 


That is what I and a few others have been saying for the longest.


 


A song has a way of evolving. 


 


dual inspirations in Prince's music are not uncommon.


 


ie When Doves Cry (Susan Moonsie, real life parents, onscreen parents)


 



Yes, that is what we've been trying to expain to LauraRichardson, but she seems to have some kind of cognitive issue and can't comprehend it. 


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Laura: Here's another example maybe you can understand.


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Let's say yesterday, someone reading this thread, let's call him "Steve", sat down and wrote a song, called "Annoying Stupid Bitch" set to the music of "Irresistable Bitch" (Live Syracuse '85 version) smile.  He composed it and recorded it on his computer using Garage Band. 


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 A year later, Steve is with his band, in the studio. This woman, Doreen, who works there keeps annoying them, barging in, just bothering the band all day. 


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.


Someone says, "Hey, let's play that song Steve wrote, "Annoying Stupid Bitch."


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.


They all start playing and singing the song, laughing and joking about a bitch Doreen is. They record it and label it "Annoying Stupid Bitch (2018 version)". 


.


.


They release it on iTunes and it becomes a big hit!


.


.


Rolling Stone interviews Steve about the song and he says: "Yeah I wrote it last year about this stupid bitch on Prince.org who woudn't stop jabbering on about something that made no sense, and was annoying everyone on the thread."


.


.


Spin magazine couldn't talk to Steve cuz he was talking to RS, so they interview Lisa and Donald from the band who say "Yeah we were in the studio earlier this year and this bitch Doreen who worked there was bothering us all day so we decided to play this song Steve wrote. We wre laughing and joking about Doreen as we sang it. Everyone knows Doreen is a bitch so we thought it would be funny." 


 


See..... 2 things can be true at the same time! 



Sure.But that is notwas Lisa is saying. She said in a recent interview that Wonderful Ass was WRITTEN ABOUT Susannah. Not inspired by during a re-recording. Lisa was wrong. Maybe she forgot, maybe she didn't know the real story behind the song.



Then if she said WRITTEN I can see where a purist and a strict interpreter
Of words could get miffed.
[Edited 8/17/17 17:12pm]
Reply #224 posted 08/17/17 2:38pm

GaryMF

Sure.But that is notwas Lisa is saying. She said in a recent interview that Wonderful Ass was WRITTEN ABOUT Susannah. Not inspired by during a re-recording. Lisa was wrong. Maybe she forgot, maybe she didn't know the real story behind the song.

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You are INCORRECT. That is not what she said in the interview that has already been posted here. .

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FROM THE ARTICLE:

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“Wonderful Ass”

“Wendy and her twin sister, Susannah, are pretty famous for having nice butts. And Prince did have one of the world’s cutest butts. Prince was dating Susannah, and I was with Wendy. It was us being goofy about our girlfriends. I sang co-lead with Prince. It was a happy-go-lucky time.”

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http://www.startribune.com/revolution-keyboardist-shares-untold-stories-from-prince-s-soon-to-be-reissued-purple-rain/428738003/

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If you have another quote that supports what YOU said, please provide.

[Edited 8/17/17 14:38pm]

rainbow
Reply #225 posted 08/17/17 3:08pm

Thewooh

GaryMF said:

 



Sure.But that is notwas Lisa is saying. She said in a recent interview that Wonderful Ass was WRITTEN ABOUT Susannah. Not inspired by during a re-recording. Lisa was wrong. Maybe she forgot, maybe she didn't know the real story behind the song.



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You are INCORRECT.    That is not what she said in the interview that has already been posted here. .


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FROM THE ARTICLE: 


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“Wonderful Ass”


“Wendy and her twin sister, Susannah, are pretty famous for having nice butts. And Prince did have one of the world’s cutest butts. Prince was dating Susannah, and I was with Wendy. It was us being goofy about our girlfriends. I sang co-lead with Prince. It was a happy-go-lucky time.”


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http://www.startribune.com/revolution-keyboardist-shares-untold-stories-from-prince-s-soon-to-be-reissued-purple-rain/428738003/


 


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If you have another quote that supports what YOU said, please provide. 

[Edited 8/17/17 14:38pm]



Here you go:

"His music could be very simple but so powerful and I think [‘Wonderful Ass’] was one of the songs the was like that. Even though it was a kind of lighter subject matter, it’s just such a precious little gem of music.

Do you know who it was written about?

Yes of course, it was written about Wendy and Susannah. They were twins [Susannah was in a relationship with Prince at the time]. It was about Wendy and Susannah’s wonderful ass."
Reply #226 posted 08/17/17 3:13pm

GaryMF

Thewooh said:

GaryMF said:

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You are INCORRECT. That is not what she said in the interview that has already been posted here. .

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FROM THE ARTICLE:

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“Wonderful Ass”

“Wendy and her twin sister, Susannah, are pretty famous for having nice butts. And Prince did have one of the world’s cutest butts. Prince was dating Susannah, and I was with Wendy. It was us being goofy about our girlfriends. I sang co-lead with Prince. It was a happy-go-lucky time.”

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http://www.startribune.com/revolution-keyboardist-shares-untold-stories-from-prince-s-soon-to-be-reissued-purple-rain/428738003/

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If you have another quote that supports what YOU said, please provide.

[Edited 8/17/17 14:38pm]

Here you go: "His music could be very simple but so powerful and I think [‘Wonderful Ass’] was one of the songs the was like that. Even though it was a kind of lighter subject matter, it’s just such a precious little gem of music. Do you know who it was written about? Yes of course, it was written about Wendy and Susannah. They were twins [Susannah was in a relationship with Prince at the time]. It was about Wendy and Susannah’s wonderful ass."

Source please?

rainbow
Reply #227 posted 08/17/17 3:19pm

Thewooh

GaryMF said:

 



Thewooh said:


GaryMF said:

 


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You are INCORRECT.    That is not what she said in the interview that has already been posted here. .


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FROM THE ARTICLE: 


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“Wonderful Ass”


“Wendy and her twin sister, Susannah, are pretty famous for having nice butts. And Prince did have one of the world’s cutest butts. Prince was dating Susannah, and I was with Wendy. It was us being goofy about our girlfriends. I sang co-lead with Prince. It was a happy-go-lucky time.”


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http://www.startribune.com/revolution-keyboardist-shares-untold-stories-from-prince-s-soon-to-be-reissued-purple-rain/428738003/


 


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If you have another quote that supports what YOU said, please provide. 


[Edited 8/17/17 14:38pm]



Here you go: "His music could be very simple but so powerful and I think [‘Wonderful Ass’] was one of the songs the was like that. Even though it was a kind of lighter subject matter, it’s just such a precious little gem of music. Do you know who it was written about? Yes of course, it was written about Wendy and Susannah. They were twins [Susannah was in a relationship with Prince at the time]. It was about Wendy and Susannah’s wonderful ass."

Source please?




Here you go again 😊
https://thespinoff.co.nz/music/05-08-2017/wait-lisa-coleman-on-why-the-revolution-wants-a-say-in-what-gets-released-from-princes-vault/
Reply #228 posted 08/17/17 3:24pm

Vashtix

All songs during that era was written for Susannah per Wendy, Lisa and Susannah just because Prince dated, sexed, lived with Susannah. However, we know he was seeing her and Vanity at the same time.
If Prince had not done The Piano and Mic Tours they would still reference Susannah to certain songs. It is kind if hard to argue with 2015/2016 Prince.
Reply #229 posted 08/17/17 4:14pm

PennyPurple

Vashtix said:

All songs during that era was written for Susannah per Wendy, Lisa and Susannah just because Prince dated, sexed, lived with Susannah. However, we know he was seeing her and Vanity at the same time. If Prince had not done The Piano and Mic Tours they would still reference Susannah to certain songs. It is kind if hard to argue with 2015/2016 Prince.

He was seeing more then Susannah and Vanity at that same time.

Reply #230 posted 08/17/17 4:19pm

Vashtix

PennyPurple said:

Vashtix said:

All songs during that era was written for Susannah per Wendy, Lisa and Susannah just because Prince dated, sexed, lived with Susannah. However, we know he was seeing her and Vanity at the same time. If Prince had not done The Piano and Mic Tours they would still reference Susannah to certain songs. It is kind if hard to argue with 2015/2016 Prince.

He was seeing more then Susannah and Vanity at that same time.

Yep; he was but they always act like he was dating Susannah ; they conveniently forget to mention the others. I am pointing out the relationship is not as they present it. She was not the lone woman he could be inpired by-

Reply #231 posted 08/17/17 4:59pm

PennyPurple

Vashtix said:

PennyPurple said:

He was seeing more then Susannah and Vanity at that same time.

Yep; he was but they always act like he was dating Susannah ; they conveniently forget to mention the others. I am pointing out the relationship is not as they present it. She was not the lone woman he could be inpired by-

That's true.

Reply #232 posted 08/17/17 5:21pm

GaryMF

Thewooh said:

GaryMF said:

Source please?

Here you go again 😊 https://thespinoff.co.nz/...ces-vault/

Thank you!

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OK I stand corrected. She did say in that interview it was written about Susannah. In the other interview she said they SANG it about Susannah.

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I can admit when I am incorrect. Thank you.

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Still, going back to the original topic of this thread, Jill said that PP Staff banner her and A6. Not the REv. She said the Rev just asked to keep her away.

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So again, the 2 are not mutually exclusive.

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Thanks for the link! (for real)

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PS I don't think Lisa has any negative intent. That might be what she actually believes or more likely, doesn't really remember.

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I remember when I first startred on social media and connected with Jill and Sheila and Eric etc. and I asked one of them some arcane question asbout who did a certain part or what instrument was used etc. and the person I asked was like "who remembers? that was 20 years ago! We dont' really remember all those details" and laughted or something like that.

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Moreover, all these folks saying the Rev is doing some kind of "cash grab" or just being mean spirited. They have gone on record saying they are barely making money on the tour, and just giving opinions or offering to help with the vault is not going to get them major $$s.

rainbow
Reply #233 posted 08/17/17 5:29pm

purplethunder3121

I guess the only thing people have to talk about these days are gossip and subjective scenarios regarding Prince, his associates, family, and the estate. sad

You can walk a mile in my shoes. But you can't dance a step in my feet.
Reply #234 posted 08/17/17 5:31pm

PennyPurple

GaryMF said:

Thank you!

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OK I stand corrected. She did say in that interview it was written about Susannah. In the other interview she said they SANG it about Susannah.

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I can admit when I am incorrect. Thank you.

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Still, going back to the original topic of this thread, Jill said that PP Staff banner her and A6. Not the REv. She said the Rev just asked to keep her away.

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So again, the 2 are not mutually exclusive.

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Thanks for the link! (for real)

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PS I don't think Lisa has any negative intent. That might be what she actually believes or more likely, doesn't really remember.

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I remember when I first startred on social media and connected with Jill and Sheila and Eric etc. and I asked one of them some arcane question asbout who did a certain part or what instrument was used etc. and the person I asked was like "who remembers? that was 20 years ago! We dont' really remember all those details" and laughted or something like that.

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Moreover, all these folks saying the Rev is doing some kind of "cash grab" or just being mean spirited. They have gone on record saying they are barely making money on the tour, and just giving opinions or offering to help with the vault is not going to get them major $$s.

So that's all you got? After ripping another poster (Laura) a new asshole, and all you got is, "I stand corrected"? rolleyes

Reply #235 posted 08/17/17 5:57pm

GaryMF

So that's all you got? After ripping another poster (Laura) a new asshole, and all you got is, "I stand corrected"? rolleyes

Yup.

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I don't know that I "ripped anyone a new asshole", I just used simple rules of logic and reading comprehnsion and suggested she do the same.

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This other person was kind of enough to provide evidence to back up his/her statement so I stand correted re: the Wonderful Ass thread.

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I still stand by my comments regarding the topic of this thread. As others besides me have pointed out, LR's own posts contradict her speculation. When someone lists a quote vervatim that disproves her original point, I see no reason to pull back.

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And if anyone is "ripping anyone a new one" I would vote for the people tearing into Lisa Coleman and the Melvoins who have had nothing but kinds words to say yet for some reason this seems to upset and rile up others.

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Enjoy!

rainbow
Reply #236 posted 08/17/17 6:01pm

purplefam99

PennyPurple said:[quote]

 



GaryMF said:


 



 



Thank you!


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OK I stand corrected.  She did say in that interview it was written about Susannah.  In the other interview she said they SANG it about Susannah.


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I can admit when I am incorrect.   Thank you.


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Still, going back to the original topic of this thread, Jill said that PP Staff banner her and A6.   Not the REv. She said the Rev just asked to keep her away. 


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 So again, the 2 are not mutually exclusive. 


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Thanks for the link! (for real)


 


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PS I don't think Lisa has any negative intent.  That might be what she actually believes or more likely, doesn't really remember.


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I remember when I first startred on social media and connected with Jill and Sheila and Eric etc. and I asked one of them some arcane question asbout who did a certain part or what instrument was used etc. and the person I asked was like "who remembers? that was 20 years ago! We dont' really remember all those details" and laughted or something like that.


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Moreover, all these folks saying the Rev is doing some kind of "cash grab" or just being mean spirited.  They have gone on record saying they are barely making money on the tour, and just giving opinions or offering to help with the vault is not going to get them major $$s. 


 



So that's all you got? After ripping another poster (Laura) a new asshole, and all you got is, "I stand corrected"?  rolleyes

[/quote

Good on ya for admitting.

That is real stand up penny Purple.^^^.

LR, way to go going all crickets about it.
Reply #237 posted 08/18/17 5:35am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Vashtix said:

PennyPurple said:

He was seeing more then Susannah and Vanity at that same time.

Yep; he was but they always act like he was dating Susannah ; they conveniently forget to mention the others. I am pointing out the relationship is not as they present it. She was not the lone woman he could be inpired by-

Well it isn't true that people 'conveniently' forget the others.
I don't think anyone fan or band don't know that Prince was seeing other people.

But Prince only 'acknowledged' certain people.
And that is on Prince.

Any other 'unknown' woman that had sex with Prince, if she is looking for her 5min, should not be suprised if people don't give it much attention.

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The thing is it was only certain songs that any inspiration was given too, not all of them. So there are many other songs about a woman that was never ascribed to Susannah.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #238 posted 08/18/17 5:38am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That is what I and a few others have been saying for the longest.

A song has a way of evolving.

dual inspirations in Prince's music are not uncommon.

ie When Doves Cry (Susan Moonsie, real life parents, onscreen parents)

yes he loved mystique, what better way to encourage it.

Yes he did, and I believe it was partially why 'purple culture' was so addictive, and 30+yrs later

It needs to be a college elective course.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #239 posted 08/18/17 5:44am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

CharismaDove said:

yeah right.. Prince making a song called wonderful ass about 2 sisters that had no ass definition whatsoever lol

He obviously was into it...

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #240 posted 08/18/17 5:46am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Vashtix said:

All songs during that era was written for Susannah per Wendy, Lisa and Susannah just because Prince dated, sexed, lived with Susannah. However, we know he was seeing her and Vanity at the same time. If Prince had not done The Piano and Mic Tours they would still reference Susannah to certain songs. It is kind if hard to argue with 2015/2016 Prince.

I love you Vashtix but that is a false statement.
Name all the songs written between 1983-1986 about a possible relationship or woman

are you telling me, they ascribed Susannah to all those songs?

The answer is no.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #241 posted 08/18/17 5:51am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

GaryMF said:

Thewooh said:

GaryMF said: Here you go again 😊 https://thespinoff.co.nz/...ces-vault/

Thank you!

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.

OK I stand corrected. She did say in that interview it was written about Susannah. In the other interview she said they SANG it about Susannah.

.

.

I can admit when I am incorrect. Thank you.

.

.

Still, going back to the original topic of this thread, Jill said that PP Staff banner her and A6. Not the REv. She said the Rev just asked to keep her away.

.

.

So again, the 2 are not mutually exclusive.

.

.

Thanks for the link! (for real)

.

PS I don't think Lisa has any negative intent. That might be what she actually believes or more likely, doesn't really remember.

.

.

I remember when I first startred on social media and connected with Jill and Sheila and Eric etc. and I asked one of them some arcane question asbout who did a certain part or what instrument was used etc. and the person I asked was like "who remembers? that was 20 years ago! We dont' really remember all those details" and laughted or something like that.

.

.

Moreover, all these folks saying the Rev is doing some kind of "cash grab" or just being mean spirited. They have gone on record saying they are barely making money on the tour, and just giving opinions or offering to help with the vault is not going to get them major $$s.

what are you correcting?
Yes it was sang about Wendy & Susannah.
That was the forward going inspiration in 1985/86

And it still does not negate the Vanity origins.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #242 posted 08/18/17 5:52am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

PennyPurple said:

GaryMF said:

Thank you!

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OK I stand corrected. She did say in that interview it was written about Susannah. In the other interview she said they SANG it about Susannah.

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I can admit when I am incorrect. Thank you.

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Still, going back to the original topic of this thread, Jill said that PP Staff banner her and A6. Not the REv. She said the Rev just asked to keep her away.

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So again, the 2 are not mutually exclusive.

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Thanks for the link! (for real)

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PS I don't think Lisa has any negative intent. That might be what she actually believes or more likely, doesn't really remember.

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I remember when I first startred on social media and connected with Jill and Sheila and Eric etc. and I asked one of them some arcane question asbout who did a certain part or what instrument was used etc. and the person I asked was like "who remembers? that was 20 years ago! We dont' really remember all those details" and laughted or something like that.

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Moreover, all these folks saying the Rev is doing some kind of "cash grab" or just being mean spirited. They have gone on record saying they are barely making money on the tour, and just giving opinions or offering to help with the vault is not going to get them major $$s.

So that's all you got? After ripping another poster (Laura) a new asshole, and all you got is, "I stand corrected"? rolleyes

Well Laurichardson is not unfamiliar with trying to rip others so...

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #243 posted 08/18/17 5:53am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

paulludvig said:

GaryMF said:

Yes, that is what we've been trying to expain to LauraRichardson, but she seems to have some kind of cognitive issue and can't comprehend it.

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Laura: Here's another example maybe you can understand.

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Let's say yesterday, someone reading this thread, let's call him "Steve", sat down and wrote a song, called "Annoying Stupid Bitch" set to the music of "Irresistable Bitch" (Live Syracuse '85 version) smile. He composed it and recorded it on his computer using Garage Band.

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A year later, Steve is with his band, in the studio. This woman, Doreen, who works there keeps annoying them, barging in, just bothering the band all day.

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Someone says, "Hey, let's play that song Steve wrote, "Annoying Stupid Bitch."

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They all start playing and singing the song, laughing and joking about a bitch Doreen is. They record it and label it "Annoying Stupid Bitch (2018 version)".

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They release it on iTunes and it becomes a big hit!

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Rolling Stone interviews Steve about the song and he says: "Yeah I wrote it last year about this stupid bitch on Prince.org who woudn't stop jabbering on about something that made no sense, and was annoying everyone on the thread."

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Spin magazine couldn't talk to Steve cuz he was talking to RS, so they interview Lisa and Donald from the band who say "Yeah we were in the studio earlier this year and this bitch Doreen who worked there was bothering us all day so we decided to play this song Steve wrote. We wre laughing and joking about Doreen as we sang it. Everyone knows Doreen is a bitch so we thought it would be funny."

See...... 2 things can be true at the same time!

Sure.But that is notwas Lisa is saying. She said in a recent interview that Wonderful Ass was WRITTEN ABOUT Susannah. Not inspired by during a re-recording. Lisa was wrong. Maybe she forgot, maybe she didn't know the real story behind the song.

It is the same things that has been discussed.

She didn't say anything different from the first time she talked about it.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #244 posted 08/18/17 5:59am

paulludvig

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

Sure.But that is notwas Lisa is saying. She said in a recent interview that Wonderful Ass was WRITTEN ABOUT Susannah. Not inspired by during a re-recording. Lisa was wrong. Maybe she forgot, maybe she didn't know the real story behind the song.

It is the same things that has been discussed.

She didn't say anything different from the first time she talked about it.

Did you read he interview?

Quote:

Do you know who it was written about?

Yes of course, it was written about Wendy and Susannah. They were twins [Susannah was in a relationship with Prince at the time]. It was about Wendy and Susannah’s wonderful ass."

The wooh is on the one!
Reply #245 posted 08/18/17 6:09am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It is the same things that has been discussed.

She didn't say anything different from the first time she talked about it.

Did you read he interview?

Quote:

Do you know who it was written about?

Yes of course, it was written about Wendy and Susannah. They were twins [Susannah was in a relationship with Prince at the time]. It was about Wendy and Susannah’s wonderful ass."

Nothing different from what she said in the first interview where she talked about the song.

And the response is the same. You are thinking in 'black n white' boxes. There are about 10 shades of gray.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #246 posted 08/18/17 6:11am

paulludvig

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

Did you read he interview?

Quote:

Do you know who it was written about?

Yes of course, it was written about Wendy and Susannah. They were twins [Susannah was in a relationship with Prince at the time]. It was about Wendy and Susannah’s wonderful ass."

Nothing different from what she said in the first interview where she talked about the song.

And the response is the same. You are thinking in 'black n white' boxes. There are about 10 shades of gray.

There are no shades of grey here:

Do you know who it was written about?
Yes of course, it was written about Wendy and Susannah.

The wooh is on the one!
Reply #247 posted 08/18/17 6:26am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Nothing different from what she said in the first interview where she talked about the song.

And the response is the same. You are thinking in 'black n white' boxes. There are about 10 shades of gray.

There are no shades of grey here:

Do you know who it was written about?
Yes of course, it was written about Wendy and Susannah.

Yes, we want more indepth information and background. It was a quick answer

It is still a duel representation of the songs evolution.

thus gray

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #248 posted 08/18/17 8:02am

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



Vashtix said:


 



PennyPurple said:


 


He was seeing more then Susannah and Vanity at that same time. 



Yep; he was but they always act like he was dating Susannah ; they conveniently forget to mention the others. I am pointing out the relationship is not as they present it. She was not the lone woman he could be inpired by-



 


 


Well it isn't true that people 'conveniently' forget the others.
I don't think anyone fan or band don't know that Prince was seeing other people.


But Prince only 'acknowledged' certain people.
And that is on Prince.


Any other 'unknown' woman that had sex with Prince, if she is looking for her 5min, should not be suprised if people don't give it much attention.


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The thing is it was only certain songs that any inspiration was given too, not all of them. So there are many other songs about a woman that was never ascribed to Susannah.



I can agree. We need to find Nikki and give her some love!!!!
Reply #249 posted 08/18/17 8:04am

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



purplefam99 said:


 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 


 


That is what I and a few others have been saying for the longest.


 


A song has a way of evolving. 


 


dual inspirations in Prince's music are not uncommon.


 


ie When Doves Cry (Susan Moonsie, real life parents, onscreen parents)


 



yes he loved mystique, what better way to encourage it.



 


Yes he did, and I believe it was partially why 'purple culture' was so addictive, and 30+yrs later


It needs to be a college elective course.



And I totally agree here!!! Speaking of I heard that university of Minnesota was putting together a symposium that may coincide with celebration next year, do u know anything about this?
Reply #250 posted 08/18/17 8:16am

laurarichardson

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It is the same things that has been discussed.

She didn't say anything different from the first time she talked about it.

Did you read he interview?

Quote:

Do you know who it was written about?

Yes of course, it was written about Wendy and Susannah. They were twins [Susannah was in a relationship with Prince at the time]. It was about Wendy and Susannah’s wonderful ass."

But that is not what Jill is saying. She is saying she was around when the song was originally written and given to Vanity.

What if Vanity's brother in law produces the tape and some written correspondence concerning the song since he said she kept everything. Some of you need to realize that other associates are alive and well and they are not going to just sit back and let these two make up stuff or overstate their involvement.

Not sure why people on this board are okay with the overstating.

Reply #251 posted 08/18/17 8:18am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vashtix said:

All songs during that era was written for Susannah per Wendy, Lisa and Susannah just because Prince dated, sexed, lived with Susannah. However, we know he was seeing her and Vanity at the same time. If Prince had not done The Piano and Mic Tours they would still reference Susannah to certain songs. It is kind if hard to argue with 2015/2016 Prince.

I love you Vashtix but that is a false statement.
Name all the songs written between 1983-1986 about a possible relationship or woman

are you telling me, they ascribed Susannah to all those songs?

The answer is no.

I believe Vashtix is being sacastic. As in W&L think Susannah was the only women in P's life so all songs must have been about her when we know he was seeing many others.

Reply #252 posted 08/18/17 8:22am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

PennyPurple said:

So that's all you got? After ripping another poster (Laura) a new asshole, and all you got is, "I stand corrected"? rolleyes

Well Laurichardson is not unfamiliar with trying to rip others so...

I am sorry but too many people on this board just make up shit and refuse to even read, think or look up anything to refrute their comments. I am good with " I stand corrected" It is not about ripping anyone some of you just cannot stand to be wrong which is odd because all of us are wrong sometimes.

I also never said the Revolution was cashing in by touring. Someone is going to have to help with vault material and they are not going to be doing this for free. Down the road people are going to be compensated and you can see numerous associates trying to get the gig.

It is going to happen let's stop pretending.

Reply #253 posted 08/18/17 8:26am

clairew1975

I have no idea how my original thread about the four ladies being banned from PP, has escalated into who wrote "wonderful ass"?

Unless they got their asses out at PP and got banned (lol) this thread's gone off topic.

{Sigh}
Reply #254 posted 08/18/17 8:37am

purplefam99

clairew1975 said:

I have no idea how my original thread about the four ladies being banned from PP, has escalated into who wrote "wonderful ass"?

Unless they got their asses out at PP and got banned (lol) this thread's gone off topic.

{Sigh}



I'm guessing there are many roads to take to the answer.
Reply #255 posted 08/18/17 9:08am

purplethunder3121

clairew1975 said:

I have no idea how my original thread about the four ladies being banned from PP, has escalated into who wrote "wonderful ass"? Unless they got their asses out at PP and got banned (lol) this thread's gone off topic. {Sigh}

lol

You can walk a mile in my shoes. But you can't dance a step in my feet.
Reply #256 posted 08/18/17 9:13am

Rev

CharismaDove said:

yeah right.. Prince making a song called wonderful ass about 2 sisters that had no ass definition whatsoever lol

Seriously biggrin

Reply #257 posted 08/18/17 9:49am

purplefam99

Rev said:

 



CharismaDove said:


yeah right.. Prince making a song called wonderful ass about 2 sisters that had no ass definition whatsoever  lol



 


 


Seriously biggrin



Maybe prince and lisa were mad at them and were joking that they were asses. :/
Reply #258 posted 08/18/17 9:55am

morningsong

clairew1975 said:

I have no idea how my original thread about the four ladies being banned from PP, has escalated into who wrote "wonderful ass"? Unless they got their asses out at PP and got banned (lol) this thread's gone off topic. {Sigh}



Welcome to the org. biggrin

“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #259 posted 08/18/17 10:59am

clairew1975

purplethunder3121 said:

 



clairew1975 said:


I have no idea how my original thread about the four ladies being banned from PP, has escalated into who wrote "wonderful ass"? Unless they got their asses out at PP and got banned (lol) this thread's gone off topic. {Sigh}

lol



😂😂😂
Reply #260 posted 08/18/17 11:58am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

paulludvig said:

Did you read he interview?

Quote:

Do you know who it was written about?

Yes of course, it was written about Wendy and Susannah. They were twins [Susannah was in a relationship with Prince at the time]. It was about Wendy and Susannah’s wonderful ass."

But that is not what Jill is saying. She is saying she was around when the song was originally written and given to Vanity.

What if Vanity's brother in law produces the tape and some written correspondence concerning the song since he said she kept everything. Some of you need to realize that other associates are alive and well and they are not going to just sit back and let these two make up stuff or overstate their involvement.

Not sure why people on this board are okay with the overstating.

Again, you are not thinking outside of the block you are placing this.

The brother in law can produce tapes and notes all day long. No one is denying the Vanity aspect of it. Susan Rogers also talked about the Vanity connection when she first worked with Prince in 1983.

But the brother in law has nothing about it from 1985 or 1986

What was Tick Tick Bang about in 1981 vs 1990, did inspiration change? Was it about something specific or someone specific? in 1981 and then other inspirations add onto it in 1990?

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #261 posted 08/18/17 11:59am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well it isn't true that people 'conveniently' forget the others.
I don't think anyone fan or band don't know that Prince was seeing other people.

But Prince only 'acknowledged' certain people.
And that is on Prince.

Any other 'unknown' woman that had sex with Prince, if she is looking for her 5min, should not be suprised if people don't give it much attention.

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The thing is it was only certain songs that any inspiration was given too, not all of them. So there are many other songs about a woman that was never ascribed to Susannah.

I can agree. We need to find Nikki and give her some love!!!!

Yes, where is Nikki lol

and then it would still have a dual inspiration lol

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #262 posted 08/18/17 2:27pm

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



laurarichardson said:


 



paulludvig said:


 


Did you read he interview?


Quote:


 


Do you know who it was written about?

Yes of course, it was written about Wendy and Susannah. They were twins [Susannah was in a relationship with Prince at the time]. It was about Wendy and Susannah’s wonderful ass."



But that is not what Jill is saying. She is saying she was around when the song was originally written and given to Vanity. 


 


What if Vanity's brother in law produces the tape and some written correspondence concerning the song since he  said she kept everything. Some of you need to realize that other associates are alive and well and they are not going to just sit back and let these two make up stuff or overstate their involvement. 


 


Not sure why people on this board are okay with the overstating. 


 


 



 


Again, you are not thinking outside of the block you are placing this.

The brother in law can produce tapes and notes all day long. No one is denying the Vanity aspect of it.  Susan Rogers also talked about the Vanity connection when she first worked with Prince in 1983.


 


But the brother in law has nothing about it from 1985 or 1986


 


What was Tick Tick Bang about in 1981 vs 1990, did inspiration change? Was it about something specific or someone specific? in 1981 and then other inspirations add onto it in 1990?


 


 


So the idea for the song changed a few years later? You realize that if the song was written about a lady's rear end unless her rear end fell off the song was still originally written about that women butt. I simply think Lisa is a goofball and is wrong on this one and you are determined that this song was about S+L come hell or high water. So think what you want to think and I will think what I want think. Oh you have no idea what documents or papers her brother-in-law has as he said she almost threw nothing away.
Reply #263 posted 08/18/17 5:32pm

Vashtix

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Again, you are not thinking outside of the block you are placing this.

The brother in law can produce tapes and notes all day long. No one is denying the Vanity aspect of it. Susan Rogers also talked about the Vanity connection when she first worked with Prince in 1983.

But the brother in law has nothing about it from 1985 or 1986

What was Tick Tick Bang about in 1981 vs 1990, did inspiration change? Was it about something specific or someone specific? in 1981 and then other inspirations add onto it in 1990?

So the idea for the song changed a few years later? You realize that if the song was written about a lady's rear end unless her rear end fell off the song was still originally written about that women butt. I simply think Lisa is a goofball and is wrong on this one and you are determined that this song was about S+L come hell or high water. So think what you want to think and I will think what I want think. Oh you have no idea what documents or papers her brother-in-law has as he said she almost threw nothing away.

Not trying to deter the current conversation but I am thinking that since we are learning Prince and Denise were close over the decades there is much none of us know. I had no idea they were close over the decades. I have to say we have absolutely no real knowledge of many things.

I am thinking of the famous line "you can't handle the truth." and I am admitting I do not think I can.

[Edited 8/18/17 17:33pm]

Reply #264 posted 08/18/17 5:50pm

benni

You know, it is possible (since they were both around at about the same time) that Prince gave it to both of them. He could have told Denise that it was about her and that it was her song, but then (knowing how Prince could change his mind with a blink of an eye) told W&L that he had written it about Susannah. And if that is the case, then neither of them are lying, neither of them are making things up, they are both relaying the truth as they saw it and was told by Prince. Prince was a HUGE player and it seemed to be a part of his M.O. "This song is about you (for you)". I'm sure that statement made many a woman swoon right into his arms.

[Edited 8/18/17 17:51pm]

Reply #265 posted 08/18/17 6:17pm

Vashtix

benni said:

You know, it is possible (since they were both around at about the same time) that Prince gave it to both of them. He could have told Denise that it was about her and that it was her song, but then (knowing how Prince could change his mind with a blink of an eye) told W&L that he had written it about Susannah. And if that is the case, then neither of them are lying, neither of them are making things up, they are both relaying the truth as they saw it and was told by Prince. Prince was a HUGE player and it seemed to be a part of his M.O. "This song is about you (for you)". I'm sure that statement made many a woman swoon right into his arms.

[Edited 8/18/17 17:51pm]

It was mentioned Vanity used to play it preparing to go on stage during the Triple Threat Tour since Prince gifted it to her.

Susannah was not around during that time.

Reply #266 posted 08/18/17 6:32pm

benni

Vashtix said:

benni said:

You know, it is possible (since they were both around at about the same time) that Prince gave it to both of them. He could have told Denise that it was about her and that it was her song, but then (knowing how Prince could change his mind with a blink of an eye) told W&L that he had written it about Susannah. And if that is the case, then neither of them are lying, neither of them are making things up, they are both relaying the truth as they saw it and was told by Prince. Prince was a HUGE player and it seemed to be a part of his M.O. "This song is about you (for you)". I'm sure that statement made many a woman swoon right into his arms.

[Edited 8/18/17 17:51pm]

It was mentioned Vanity used to play it preparing to go on stage during the Triple Threat Tour since Prince gifted it to her.

Susannah was not around during that time.


But that's not my point, Vashtix. Heck, Prince could have written it about his Wonderful Ass, and told Vanity it was for her. My point is, Prince could have really written it about anyone, but then turned around and said to Denise, "I wrote this song about you. My gift to you." And then a few years later told W&L, "I wrote this about Susannah." (I know Jill has stated she was in the studio with Prince when he was recording it, but that doesn't exclude Prince telling Wendy that he recorded it for Susannah since it had never been released. She wouldn't know when it was written for sure, and would accept Prince at his word.) Prince could have recycled many songs in that way, no effort needed, song hasn't been released, and if they weren't familiar with it, they would believe him when he said, "I wrote this about you." And if he did that, then it doesn't make Wendy's recollections wrong, she's telling the truth as she knows it from what Prince has said, and it doesn't make Jill wrong, because she's telling the truth as she knows it from what Prince said while they were recording.

Reply #267 posted 08/18/17 6:44pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

benni said:

Vashtix said:

It was mentioned Vanity used to play it preparing to go on stage during the Triple Threat Tour since Prince gifted it to her.

Susannah was not around during that time.


But that's not my point, Vashtix. Heck, Prince could have written it about his Wonderful Ass, and told Vanity it was for her. My point is, Prince could have really written it about anyone, but then turned around and said to Denise, "I wrote this song about you. My gift to you." And then a few years later told W&L, "I wrote this about Susannah." (I know Jill has stated she was in the studio with Prince when he was recording it, but that doesn't exclude Prince telling Wendy that he recorded it for Susannah since it had never been released. She wouldn't know when it was written for sure, and would accept Prince at his word.) Prince could have recycled many songs in that way, no effort needed, song hasn't been released, and if they weren't familiar with it, they would believe him when he said, "I wrote this about you." And if he did that, then it doesn't make Wendy's recollections wrong, she's telling the truth as she knows it from what Prince has said, and it doesn't make Jill wrong, because she's telling the truth as she knows it from what Prince said while they were recording.

Give it up Benni.

You make sense.

Sense never wins on the org.

pimp2

Reply #268 posted 08/18/17 6:50pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Again, you are not thinking outside of the block you are placing this.

The brother in law can produce tapes and notes all day long. No one is denying the Vanity aspect of it. Susan Rogers also talked about the Vanity connection when she first worked with Prince in 1983.

But the brother in law has nothing about it from 1985 or 1986

What was Tick Tick Bang about in 1981 vs 1990, did inspiration change? Was it about something specific or someone specific? in 1981 and then other inspirations add onto it in 1990?

So the idea for the song changed a few years later? You realize that if the song was written about a lady's rear end unless her rear end fell off the song was still originally written about that women butt. I simply think Lisa is a goofball and is wrong on this one and you are determined that this song was about S+L come hell or high water. So think what you want to think and I will think what I want think. Oh you have no idea what documents or papers her brother-in-law has as he said she almost threw nothing away.

You talked about 'players' before, seems you studied a book on it or something.
Do you really think, Prince with his revolving door of women, had no issue in sharing a song with 2-4 different women, a friend, a family member etc?

Why is this so hard to believe?

Again, unless someone was in the camp in 1984-86 sharing paperwork with Denise's brother in law, there is a high probability that he doesn't have anything from that period.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #269 posted 08/18/17 6:53pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Vashtix said:

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said: So the idea for the song changed a few years later? You realize that if the song was written about a lady's rear end unless her rear end fell off the song was still originally written about that women butt. I simply think Lisa is a goofball and is wrong on this one and you are determined that this song was about S+L come hell or high water. So think what you want to think and I will think what I want think. Oh you have no idea what documents or papers her brother-in-law has as he said she almost threw nothing away.

Not trying to deter the current conversation but I am thinking that since we are learning Prince and Denise were close over the decades there is much none of us know. I had no idea they were close over the decades. I have to say we have absolutely no real knowledge of many things.

I am thinking of the famous line "you can't handle the truth." and I am admitting I do not think I can.

[Edited 8/18/17 17:33pm]

Prince & Vanity communicated still. I don't think they were lovers still.

I knew for a while that Vanity & Prince stayed in touch. Not many people from that 78-88 period he did not stay in touch with. Doesn't mean he continued to write songs about Vanity.
And I would not want Prince to still be 'involved' with Vanity because it was not good for her when she was with him. It wasn't healthy for her, and she was not healthy.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #270 posted 08/18/17 7:03pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Vashtix said:

benni said:

You know, it is possible (since they were both around at about the same time) that Prince gave it to both of them. He could have told Denise that it was about her and that it was her song, but then (knowing how Prince could change his mind with a blink of an eye) told W&L that he had written it about Susannah. And if that is the case, then neither of them are lying, neither of them are making things up, they are both relaying the truth as they saw it and was told by Prince. Prince was a HUGE player and it seemed to be a part of his M.O. "This song is about you (for you)". I'm sure that statement made many a woman swoon right into his arms.

[Edited 8/18/17 17:51pm]

It was mentioned Vanity used to play it preparing to go on stage during the Triple Threat Tour since Prince gifted it to her.

Susannah was not around during that time.

How many tapes of music did Prince give away to people, not thinking later on that these songs would become 'boots' and people would trade gift or sell them.
Did Prince date other women when he was with Vanity?

I LOVED the Prince & Vanity chemistry. I thought they were beautiful together. And I love the romance of the story of Vanity appearing at the club and meeting Prince(like Apollonia did sorta in Purple Rain) but in general Vanity was wresting with some demons, Prince had some demons and the combination wasn't good for her.

It is said alleged noted that the song was written late 82, so I would say around the end of the 1999 tour, that he gave it to her.

The song was noted by Susan Rogers mid 83 when she joined Princes camp prior. She heard or had notes it was about Vanity.

Vanity left Prince early 84.

Prince and the Revolution work on it further in 84. Lisa singing co lead with Prince.
People connected it to the Dream Factory album.

It was later allegedly going to be a part of the Roadhouse Garden album, when Prince want to reunite the Revolution in 1999.

Would you say 'inspiration' of the song could evolve over that time period? Yet initially still be about Vanity? Yet Vanity would seriously note care if it was in 1999. And Prince probably would not be thinking in that moment 'this song is about Vanity'


Was Denise Matthews going by the name Vanity in 1999-2000 still?

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #271 posted 08/18/17 7:04pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

benni said:

Vashtix said:

It was mentioned Vanity used to play it preparing to go on stage during the Triple Threat Tour since Prince gifted it to her.

Susannah was not around during that time.


But that's not my point, Vashtix. Heck, Prince could have written it about his Wonderful Ass, and told Vanity it was for her. My point is, Prince could have really written it about anyone, but then turned around and said to Denise, "I wrote this song about you. My gift to you." And then a few years later told W&L, "I wrote this about Susannah." (I know Jill has stated she was in the studio with Prince when he was recording it, but that doesn't exclude Prince telling Wendy that he recorded it for Susannah since it had never been released. She wouldn't know when it was written for sure, and would accept Prince at his word.) Prince could have recycled many songs in that way, no effort needed, song hasn't been released, and if they weren't familiar with it, they would believe him when he said, "I wrote this about you." And if he did that, then it doesn't make Wendy's recollections wrong, she's telling the truth as she knows it from what Prince has said, and it doesn't make Jill wrong, because she's telling the truth as she knows it from what Prince said while they were recording.

Benni, this is what we have been trying to say for the last 2 months

Thanks u.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #272 posted 08/18/17 7:24pm

benni

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

benni said:


But that's not my point, Vashtix. Heck, Prince could have written it about his Wonderful Ass, and told Vanity it was for her. My point is, Prince could have really written it about anyone, but then turned around and said to Denise, "I wrote this song about you. My gift to you." And then a few years later told W&L, "I wrote this about Susannah." (I know Jill has stated she was in the studio with Prince when he was recording it, but that doesn't exclude Prince telling Wendy that he recorded it for Susannah since it had never been released. She wouldn't know when it was written for sure, and would accept Prince at his word.) Prince could have recycled many songs in that way, no effort needed, song hasn't been released, and if they weren't familiar with it, they would believe him when he said, "I wrote this about you." And if he did that, then it doesn't make Wendy's recollections wrong, she's telling the truth as she knows it from what Prince has said, and it doesn't make Jill wrong, because she's telling the truth as she knows it from what Prince said while they were recording.

Give it up Benni.

You make sense.

Sense never wins on the org.

pimp2


lol Yeah, I forget that from time to time. People are people and are going to believe what they want to believe, whatever story cranks their tractor I guess. Ah well, let 'em go at it!

Reply #273 posted 08/18/17 7:25pm

benni

OldFriends4Sale said:

benni said:


But that's not my point, Vashtix. Heck, Prince could have written it about his Wonderful Ass, and told Vanity it was for her. My point is, Prince could have really written it about anyone, but then turned around and said to Denise, "I wrote this song about you. My gift to you." And then a few years later told W&L, "I wrote this about Susannah." (I know Jill has stated she was in the studio with Prince when he was recording it, but that doesn't exclude Prince telling Wendy that he recorded it for Susannah since it had never been released. She wouldn't know when it was written for sure, and would accept Prince at his word.) Prince could have recycled many songs in that way, no effort needed, song hasn't been released, and if they weren't familiar with it, they would believe him when he said, "I wrote this about you." And if he did that, then it doesn't make Wendy's recollections wrong, she's telling the truth as she knows it from what Prince has said, and it doesn't make Jill wrong, because she's telling the truth as she knows it from what Prince said while they were recording.

Benni, this is what we have been trying to say for the last 2 months

Thank u.


lol Two months!?!? And you're still going strong with it? Nah, I'm ready to let it go now. They are going to believe what they want to believe, think what they want to think, and there is no sense in trying to get them to see another side because they just don't want to.

Reply #274 posted 08/18/17 7:28pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

benni said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Benni, this is what we have been trying to say for the last 2 months

Thank u.


lol Two months!?!? And you're still going strong with it? Nah, I'm ready to let it go now. They are going to believe what they want to believe, think what they want to think, and there is no sense in trying to get them to see another side because they just don't want to.

Well there were 2 seperate interviews. One prior to the PR Deluxe I believe and 1 after, so there was some time inbetween

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #275 posted 08/18/17 7:32pm

Vashtix

Seriously it does not matter who Prince wrote any song for. What matters is he wrote the song. Prince was a genius.

.

Vanity, Susannah, M1, M2 and the others it does not really matter . Prince was the one who was gifted with the lyrics and the music inside himself that he shared that we can even have these meaningless discussions.

.

I will never tire of the variations of the songs- he gifted us with for the ages.

No matter who, what , when.

.

I am just grateful we have the songs.

[Edited 8/19/17 3:37am]

Reply #276 posted 08/18/17 7:35pm

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



Vashtix said:


 



laurarichardson said:


OldFriends4Sale said: So the idea for the song changed a few years later? You realize that if the song was written about a lady's rear end unless her rear end fell off the song was still originally written about that women butt. I simply think Lisa is a goofball and is wrong on this one and you are determined that this song was about S+L come hell or high water. So think what you want to think and I will think what I want think. Oh you have no idea what documents or papers her brother-in-law has as he said she almost threw nothing away.

Not trying to deter the current conversation but I am thinking that since we are learning Prince and Denise were close over the decades there is much none of us know. I had no idea they were close over the decades. I have to say we have absolutely no real knowledge of many things. 


I am thinking of the famous line "you can't handle the truth." and I am admitting I do not think I can. 


[Edited 8/18/17 17:33pm]



 


 


Prince & Vanity communicated still.  I don't think they were lovers still.


I knew for a while that Vanity & Prince stayed in touch. Not many people from that 78-88 period he did not stay in touch with.  Doesn't mean he continued to write songs about Vanity.
And I would not want Prince to still be 'involved' with Vanity because it was not good for her when she was with him. It wasn't healthy for her, and she was not healthy.



I agree she was not healthy and ironic the way they seemly swapped places.
Reply #277 posted 08/18/17 7:37pm

purplefam99

Vashtix said:

Seriously it does not matter who Prince wrote any song for. What matters is he wrote the song. Prince was a genius.


.


Vanity, Susannah, M1, M2 and the others it does not really matter . Prince was the one who was gifted with the lyrics and the music inside himself that he shared that we can even have this meaningless discussions.


.


I will never tire of the variations of the songs- he gifted us with for the ages.


No matter who, what , when. 


.


I am just grateful we have the songs.



Cheers!!
Reply #278 posted 08/18/17 7:37pm

Vashtix

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vashtix said:

It was mentioned Vanity used to play it preparing to go on stage during the Triple Threat Tour since Prince gifted it to her.

Susannah was not around during that time.

How many tapes of music did Prince give away to people, not thinking later on that these songs would become 'boots' and people would trade gift or sell them.
Did Prince date other women when he was with Vanity?

I LOVED the Prince & Vanity chemistry. I thought they were beautiful together. And I love the romance of the story of Vanity appearing at the club and meeting Prince(like Apollonia did sorta in Purple Rain) but in general Vanity was wresting with some demons, Prince had some demons and the combination wasn't good for her.

It is said alleged noted that the song was written late 82, so I would say around the end of the 1999 tour, that he gave it to her.

The song was noted by Susan Rogers mid 83 when she joined Princes camp prior. She heard or had notes it was about Vanity.

Vanity left Prince early 84.

Prince and the Revolution work on it further in 84. Lisa singing co lead with Prince.
People connected it to the Dream Factory album.

It was later allegedly going to be a part of the Roadhouse Garden album, when Prince want to reunite the Revolution in 1999.

Would you say 'inspiration' of the song could evolve over that time period? Yet initially still be about Vanity? Yet Vanity would seriously not care, if it was in 1999. And Prince probably would not be thinking in that moment 'this song is about Vanity'


Was Denise Matthews going by the name Vanity in 1999-2000 still?

DP

[Edited 8/18/17 19:40pm]

Reply #279 posted 08/19/17 3:23am

CatB

Vashtix said:



Seriously it does not matter who Prince wrote any song for. What matters is he wrote the song. Prince was a genius.



Yes, just think Carmen and Mayte and Most Beautiful Girl or Carmen and Anna and the whole Pink Cashmere drama after his passing.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHp0ejLgfiU/

It's so sweet how so many of them really seemed to believe they were exclusive. He was an artist and an artist has to evolve and reinvent himself. That's why the muse always gets a new face and/or will be replaced when she becomes too "real" and won't allow him to stay in his spheres. That's why he didn't like bad news or the woman complaining, or to hear too much of her story before he became part of it.

Be grateful for the MUSIC as a whole and don't get tripped up in a song that might or might not be about you.



"Time is space spent with U"
Reply #280 posted 08/19/17 3:51am

Vashtix

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vashtix said:

Not trying to deter the current conversation but I am thinking that since we are learning Prince and Denise were close over the decades there is much none of us know. I had no idea they were close over the decades. I have to say we have absolutely no real knowledge of many things.

I am thinking of the famous line "you can't handle the truth." and I am admitting I do not think I can.

[Edited 8/18/17 17:33pm]

Prince & Vanity communicated still. I don't think they were lovers still.

I knew for a while that Vanity & Prince stayed in touch. Not many people from that 78-88 period he did not stay in touch with. Doesn't mean he continued to write songs about Vanity.
And I would not want Prince to still be 'involved' with Vanity because it was not good for her when she was with him. It wasn't healthy for her, and she was not healthy.

Prince was friends over decades with Denise and they both evolved and changed. According to what Toban shared this week in the other thread they enjoyed one another's companionship and mused each other and Prince enjoyed her company. She was not a trying to get in the business anymore, nor was she part of a harem, nor was she trying to validate herself in to the public as the quintessential, ulitmate, forever muse. Sounds like they were just tight, close, friends who shared sensibilites and evolved and transformed over the years so Prince was no longer bad for her nor she for him. They had mellowed as most do with age.

i

.

http://prince.org/msg/5/444013?jump=190&pg=7#msg_10009123

They definitely understood each other, they obviously accepted each other as they were and it is evidently that they enjoyed each others companionship. They shared a special connection that they reserved for themselves and kept to themselves.

Reply #281 posted 08/19/17 7:49am

benni

Vashtix said:

Seriously it does not matter who Prince wrote any song for. What matters is he wrote the song. Prince was a genius.

.

Vanity, Susannah, M1, M2 and the others it does not really matter . Prince was the one who was gifted with the lyrics and the music inside himself that he shared that we can even have these meaningless discussions.

.

I will never tire of the variations of the songs- he gifted us with for the ages.

No matter who, what , when.

.

I am just grateful we have the songs.

[Edited 8/19/17 3:37am]


Exactly my point! That and the fact that just because a woman later says he wrote it about so-and-so, doesn't mean they are lying, because Prince could have told her he wrote it about so-and-so. I'm curious how many of the songs that are in question are songs that weren't officially released?? Or were released much later than when they were originally written? Because those songs then could be songs that Prince recycled between women. lol

Reply #282 posted 08/19/17 8:15am

Vashtix

benni said:

 



Vashtix said:


Seriously it does not matter who Prince wrote any song for. What matters is he wrote the song. Prince was a genius.


.


Vanity, Susannah, M1, M2 and the others it does not really matter . Prince was the one who was gifted with the lyrics and the music inside himself that he shared that we can even have these meaningless discussions.


.


I will never tire of the variations of the songs- he gifted us with for the ages.


No matter who, what , when. 


.


I am just grateful we have the songs.


[Edited 8/19/17 3:37am]




Exactly my point!  That and the fact that just because a woman later says he wrote it about so-and-so, doesn't mean they are lying, because Prince could have told her he wrote it about so-and-so.  I'm curious how many of the songs that are in question are songs that weren't officially released??  Or were released much later than when they were originally written?  Because those songs then could be songs that Prince recycled between women.  lol 


To be fair the song was written before Susannah since Vanity had it during the triple threat tour but if peeps want to say it was written later on that is cool. It is a great song and timeless.
Reply #283 posted 08/19/17 8:18am

purplegirl00

Vashtix said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Prince & Vanity communicated still. I don't think they were lovers still.

I knew for a while that Vanity & Prince stayed in touch. Not many people from that 78-88 period he did not stay in touch with. Doesn't mean he continued to write songs about Vanity.
And I would not want Prince to still be 'involved' with Vanity because it was not good for her when she was with him. It wasn't healthy for her, and she was not healthy.

Prince was friends over decades with Denise and they both evolved and changed. According to what Toban shared this week in the other thread they enjoyed one another's companionship and mused each other and Prince enjoyed her company. She was not a trying to get in the business anymore, nor was she part of a harem, nor was she trying to validate herself in to the public as the quintessential, ulitmate, forever muse. Sounds like they were just tight, close, friends who shared sensibilites and evolved and transformed over the years so Prince was no longer bad for her nor she for him. They had mellowed as most do with age.

i

.

http://prince.org/msg/5/444013?jump=190&pg=7#msg_10009123

They definitely understood each other, they obviously accepted each other as they were and it is evidently that they enjoyed each others companionship. They shared a special connection that they reserved for themselves and kept to themselves.

THIS! Thank you Vashtix!

I don't see where anyone has said that they were lovers at or to the end, but with some of the responses in this thread, you would think that was said or implied. lol

Based on what Toban has shared recently, my impression has been they had evolved from the chaotic relationship they once shared to a deep, close friendship where they respected and cared for each other. Though they shared similar spiritual beliefs/ thoughts, Denise wanted nothing of his Hollywood/ rocknroll lifestyle and always mentioned how she was praying for Prince. With all her health issues, I'm willing to guess that he prayed for her too- as he did for other people in his life.

If Prince and Denise were tight friends later in life, shared camaraderie it did not take away from any of his ex-wives or women that he had been with in the past, or was with in later years.

Reply #284 posted 08/19/17 8:41am

benni

Vashtix said:

benni said:


Exactly my point! That and the fact that just because a woman later says he wrote it about so-and-so, doesn't mean they are lying, because Prince could have told her he wrote it about so-and-so. I'm curious how many of the songs that are in question are songs that weren't officially released?? Or were released much later than when they were originally written? Because those songs then could be songs that Prince recycled between women. lol

To be fair the song was written before Susannah since Vanity had it during the triple threat tour but if peeps want to say it was written later on that is cool. It is a great song and timeless.


I don't think any one is denying when the song was written, merely that it is possible that Prince recycled the song and told the next lady in the mix that it was about her. And if that is the case, then Wendy is not lying, only relaying information she believed was true because that is what she was told by Prince. And with the way Prince would do remixes of songs, it's possible that any remix he did to a song was inspired by the next lady, while the first lady inspired the first version. And, again, Prince could have written a song for his own reasons, but him, being Prince, knew that if he told a woman it was about her, she'd swoon and give him whatever he wanted. lol Personally, I think Denise did inspire the song originally, but Prince, having moved on from Denise at that time, later told Wendy it was about Susannah. It could even have been an issue in which Prince was hurt by Denise leaving and wanted to hurt her in return by giving away the song he'd told was for her, so that it would not be associated with Denise (in his mind and the minds of those around him) any more.

Reply #285 posted 08/19/17 9:12am

luvgirl

Vashtix said:

benni said:

 



Vashtix said:


Seriously it does not matter who Prince wrote any song for. What matters is he wrote the song. Prince was a genius.


.


Vanity, Susannah, M1, M2 and the others it does not really matter . Prince was the one who was gifted with the lyrics and the music inside himself that he shared that we can even have these meaningless discussions.


.


I will never tire of the variations of the songs- he gifted us with for the ages.


No matter who, what , when. 


.


I am just grateful we have the songs.


[Edited 8/19/17 3:37am]




Exactly my point!  That and the fact that just because a woman later says he wrote it about so-and-so, doesn't mean they are lying, because Prince could have told her he wrote it about so-and-so.  I'm curious how many of the songs that are in question are songs that weren't officially released??  Or were released much later than when they were originally written?  Because those songs then could be songs that Prince recycled between women.  lol 


To be fair the song was written before Susannah since Vanity had it during the triple threat tour but if peeps want to say it was written later on that is cool. It is a great song and timeless.


Right Vashtix, the song was written before Prince even met Susannah. The fact that we know this, the fact that it's been said by more than one qualified associate ( Susan Rogers, Jill Jones, Morris Hayes, and Appolonia) nullifies this whole argument... It was written for Vanity. Inspired by Vanity. Even if (as Lisa implied in the first interview) they were goofing around with the song when they recorded it, even if Prince later told Lisa it was written for Wendy and Susannah. The song was initially written for Vanity. Although to be honest with you. I don't believe Prince told Lisa the song was written for Wendy and Susannah. I choose to believe what she seemed to have implied in the first article about the goofing around thing. Have you guys paid attention to the lyrics to WA? I have. If you are a hard core fan and have been following Prince's life and music, you know darn well those lyrics were NOT intended for Wendy and Susannah... It's more along the lines of "As much as we loved we used to fight. She was very headstrong cuz she knew she was the finest woman in the world..." lol
[Edited 8/19/17 9:14am]
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #286 posted 08/19/17 9:19am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

luvgirl said:

Vashtix said:
To be fair the song was written before Susannah since Vanity had it during the triple threat tour but if peeps want to say it was written later on that is cool. It is a great song and timeless.
Right Vashtix, the song was written before Prince even met Susannah. The fact that we know this, the fact that it's been said by more than one qualified associate ( Susan Rogers, Jill Jones, Morris Hayes, and Appolonia) nullifies this whole argument... It was written for Vanity. Inspired by Vanity. Even if (as Lisa implied in the first interview) they were goofing around with the song when they recorded it, even if Prince later told Lisa it was written for Wendy and Susannah. The song was initially written for Vanity. Although to be honest with you. I don't believe Prince told Lisa the song was written for Wendy and Susannah. I choose to believe what she seemed to have implied in the first article about the goofing around thing. Have you guys paid attention to the lyrics to WA? I have. If you are a hard core fan and have been following Prince's life and music, you know darn well those lyrics were NOT intended for Wendy and Susannah... It's more along the lines of "As much as we loved we used to fight. She was very headstrong cuz she knew she was the finest woman in the world..." lol [Edited 8/19/17 9:14am]

Luvgirl, would you say your are 'team Vanity'?

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #287 posted 08/19/17 9:25am

luvgirl

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



luvgirl said:


Vashtix said:
To be fair the song was written before Susannah since Vanity had it during the triple threat tour but if peeps want to say it was written later on that is cool. It is a great song and timeless.

Right Vashtix, the song was written before Prince even met Susannah. The fact that we know this, the fact that it's been said by more than one qualified associate ( Susan Rogers, Jill Jones, Morris Hayes, and Appolonia) nullifies this whole argument... It was written for Vanity. Inspired by Vanity. Even if (as Lisa implied in the first interview) they were goofing around with the song when they recorded it, even if Prince later told Lisa it was written for Wendy and Susannah. The song was initially written for Vanity. Although to be honest with you. I don't believe Prince told Lisa the song was written for Wendy and Susannah. I choose to believe what she seemed to have implied in the first article about the goofing around thing. Have you guys paid attention to the lyrics to WA? I have. If you are a hard core fan and have been following Prince's life and music, you know darn well those lyrics were NOT intended for Wendy and Susannah... It's more along the lines of "As much as we loved we used to fight. She was very headstrong cuz she knew she was the finest woman in the world..." lol [Edited 8/19/17 9:14am]

 


Luvgirl, would you say your are 'team Vanity'?


 


 


 



I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or asking me a serious question, but yes, I think you already know that I'm a fan of Vanity. As I know you are a fan of The Revolution/ Susannah... I've been a fan of Vanity since I was twelve years old. Why?
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #288 posted 08/19/17 9:28am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

CatB said:

Vashtix said:



Seriously it does not matter who Prince wrote any song for. What matters is he wrote the song. Prince was a genius.



Yes, just think Carmen and Mayte and Most Beautiful Girl or Carmen and Anna and the whole Pink Cashmere drama after his passing.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHp0ejLgfiU/

It's so sweet how so many of them really seemed to believe they were exclusive. He was an artist and an artist has to evolve and reinvent himself. That's why the muse always gets a new face and/or will be replaced when she becomes too "real" and won't allow him to stay in his spheres. That's why he didn't like bad news or the woman complaining, or to hear too much of her story before he became part of it.

Be grateful for the MUSIC as a whole and don't get tripped up in a song that might or might not be about you.



Yes, thank U.
This song is another example of multiple inspirations and/or the evolution of a song happens.
.
And we know there are songs that a definate 1 only inspirations.

.

It is funny how 'inspiration' of songs seem to only revolve around women in these discussions.
.
Like people will say Mutiny was about St Paul(leaving the Family) but St Paul was with Prince in the creation of the song ie he sang lead on the song.

Who is the song about?

It could be Vanity? It could be Morris Day or Jesse Johnson (Prince did call Jesse Johnsons name 'Jesse? did U give?' This was a line Morris would use during their Time shows during their 'offering basket scene'

.

So let's say Jesse Johnson is the inspiration. By the time Prince & the Revolution were performing the song in 1986 Prince would at times direct it toward the recently departed St Paul Peterson. And in 2011 when the Time & the Family & Prince were having back in forth 'play' (as well as Sheila E-her video imitating Prince after his Purple & Gold song) Prince performed a playful Mutiny in response to the Time & the Family.

.

Movie Star is another -that could be about Morris Day or Prince, but most likely Morris Day.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #289 posted 08/19/17 9:35am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Vashtix said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Prince & Vanity communicated still. I don't think they were lovers still.

I knew for a while that Vanity & Prince stayed in touch. Not many people from that 78-88 period he did not stay in touch with. Doesn't mean he continued to write songs about Vanity.
And I would not want Prince to still be 'involved' with Vanity because it was not good for her when she was with him. It wasn't healthy for her, and she was not healthy.

Prince was friends over decades with Denise and they both evolved and changed. According to what Toban shared this week in the other thread they enjoyed one another's companionship and mused each other and Prince enjoyed her company. She was not a trying to get in the business anymore, nor was she part of a harem, nor was she trying to validate herself in to the public as the quintessential, ulitmate, forever muse. Sounds like they were just tight, close, friends who shared sensibilites and evolved and transformed over the years so Prince was no longer bad for her nor she for him. They had mellowed as most do with age.

i

.

http://prince.org/msg/5/444013?jump=190&pg=7#msg_10009123

They definitely understood each other, they obviously accepted each other as they were and it is evidently that they enjoyed each others companionship. They shared a special connection that they reserved for themselves and kept to themselves.

I think you misunderstand my post about Vanity. I'm replying to things about the later 80s when Vanity was no longer in the camp.
As I said above, "I knew for a while that Vanity & Prince stayed in touch"

I know there are team Vanity team Jill team Mayte team Susannah etc people

I'm not into that. I always loved Vanity.

When Prince was working with the Time again leading up to Graffiti Bridge, Brenda & Susan Moonsie were also in the mix and there was talk of getting Vanity 6 together, but it was noted that Vanity was not well at all at that time.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #290 posted 08/19/17 9:36am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

luvgirl said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Luvgirl, would you say your are 'team Vanity'?

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or asking me a serious question, but yes, I think you already know that I'm a fan of Vanity. As I know you are a fan of The Revolution/ Susannah... I've been a fan of Vanity since I was twelve years old. Why?

serious question

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #291 posted 08/19/17 9:37am

Vashtix

benni said:

Vashtix said:

benni said: To be fair the song was written before Susannah since Vanity had it during the triple threat tour but if peeps want to say it was written later on that is cool. It is a great song and timeless.


I don't think any one is denying when the song was written, merely that it is possible that Prince recycled the song and told the next lady in the mix that it was about her. And if that is the case, then Wendy is not lying, only relaying information she believed was true because that is what she was told by Prince. And with the way Prince would do remixes of songs, it's possible that any remix he did to a song was inspired by the next lady, while the first lady inspired the first version. And, again, Prince could have written a song for his own reasons, but him, being Prince, knew that if he told a woman it was about her, she'd swoon and give him whatever he wanted. lol Personally, I think Denise did inspire the song originally, but Prince, having moved on from Denise at that time, later told Wendy it was about Susannah. It could even have been an issue in which Prince was hurt by Denise leaving and wanted to hurt her in return by giving away the song he'd told was for her, so that it would not be associated with Denise (in his mind and the minds of those around him) any more.

Seems Prince and Denise duped us all.

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Prince and Vanity were not done in 1983, 84, 85, 86, 87,88,89 . . . .

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So, that too is another thing Prince kept out of the public eye.ll

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I think what you said and I bolded is interesting. King of Shade and if you play me you play yourself . . . interesting way to look at it.

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Prince was king of private and as he kept saying it is all in his music. He gave us all rare glimpses prior to his transition. I am thankful for the Piano and Mic concerts in 2016. They are all priceless.

Reply #292 posted 08/19/17 9:40am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

luvgirl said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Luvgirl, would you say your are 'team Vanity'?

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or asking me a serious question, but yes, I think you already know that I'm a fan of Vanity. As I know you are a fan of The Revolution/ Susannah... I've been a fan of Vanity since I was twelve years old. Why?

Well if you've followed me at all here, you should know I'm team
Prince, the Rebels(what I call the band before 1982) the Time, the Revolution, Vanity 6, Sheila E(and band) the Family(not team Susannah) Mazarati, Apollonia(her place in the film) Jill Jones, Madhouse, SOTT band

I'm not trying to put any of them in competition with any of the others. I love them all equally for the 'purple culture' they were a part of with Prince. This is the stuff music history and lore is built on.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #293 posted 08/19/17 9:43am

Vashtix

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vashtix said:

Prince was friends over decades with Denise and they both evolved and changed. According to what Toban shared this week in the other thread they enjoyed one another's companionship and mused each other and Prince enjoyed her company. She was not a trying to get in the business anymore, nor was she part of a harem, nor was she trying to validate herself in to the public as the quintessential, ulitmate, forever muse. Sounds like they were just tight, close, friends who shared sensibilites and evolved and transformed over the years so Prince was no longer bad for her nor she for him. They had mellowed as most do with age.

i

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http://prince.org/msg/5/444013?jump=190&pg=7#msg_10009123

They definitely understood each other, they obviously accepted each other as they were and it is evidently that they enjoyed each others companionship. They shared a special connection that they reserved for themselves and kept to themselves.

I think you misunderstand my post about Vanity. I'm replying to things about the later 80s when Vanity was no longer in the camp.
As I said above, "I knew for a while that Vanity & Prince stayed in touch"

I know there are team Vanity team Jill team Mayte team Susannah etc people

I'm not into that. I always loved Vanity.

When Prince was working with the Time again leading up to Graffiti Bridge, Brenda & Susan Moonsie were also in the mix and there was talk of getting Vanity 6 together, but it was noted that Vanity was not well at all at that time.

Good thing they never reunited. It was as you said not healthy for her at that time. It is nice to know that she was considered even after Purple Rain to resume her initial character of Vanity. No one played that role of Nasty Girl next to Rude Boy Prince as she did. They are such campy, sexy fun!

Sorry I misunderstood.

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I enjoy knowing that a deep friendship bonded them for life. It takes mature, people who respect each other to be able to go through life together in a different capacity after experiencing a great love as they once had. It is on a whole different level than sex and romance.

Reply #294 posted 08/19/17 9:47am

Vashtix

OldFriends4Sale said:

luvgirl said:

OldFriends4Sale said: I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or asking me a serious question, but yes, I think you already know that I'm a fan of Vanity. As I know you are a fan of The Revolution/ Susannah... I've been a fan of Vanity since I was twelve years old. Why?

Well if you've followed me at all here, you should know I'm team
Prince, the Rebels(what I call the band before 1982) the Time, the Revolution, Vanity 6, Sheila E(and band) the Family(not team Susannah) Mazarati, Apollonia(her place in the film) Jill Jones, Madhouse, SOTT band

I'm not trying to put any of them in competition with any of the others. I love them all equally for the 'purple culture' they were a part of with Prince. This is the stuff music history and lore is built on.

YES IT IS!!

I especially have seemed to sit at the Triple Threat Tour. I am fascinated by those acts- ALL of them and especially the folklore or the Time at that period. I know peeps go crazy for Purple Rain but if the unheard Time and Vanity 6 albums are in that vault THAT is what I want to hear. I want anything from that time. The characters of that triple threat tour is to me the essence and brainchild for Purple Rain.

Reply #295 posted 08/19/17 10:01am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Vashtix said:

benni said:


I don't think any one is denying when the song was written, merely that it is possible that Prince recycled the song and told the next lady in the mix that it was about her. And if that is the case, then Wendy is not lying, only relaying information she believed was true because that is what she was told by Prince. And with the way Prince would do remixes of songs, it's possible that any remix he did to a song was inspired by the next lady, while the first lady inspired the first version. And, again, Prince could have written a song for his own reasons, but him, being Prince, knew that if he told a woman it was about her, she'd swoon and give him whatever he wanted. lol Personally, I think Denise did inspire the song originally, but Prince, having moved on from Denise at that time, later told Wendy it was about Susannah. It could even have been an issue in which Prince was hurt by Denise leaving and wanted to hurt her in return by giving away the song he'd told was for her, so that it would not be associated with Denise (in his mind and the minds of those around him) any more.

Seems Prince and Denise duped us all.

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Prince and Vanity were not done in 1983, 84, 85, 86, 87,88,89 . . . .

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So, that too is another thing Prince kept out of the public eye.ll

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I think what you said and I bolded is interesting. King of Shade and if you play me you play yourself . . . interesting way to look at it.

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Prince was king of private and as he kept saying it is all in his music. He gave us all rare glimpses prior to his transition. I am thankful for the Piano and Mic concerts in 2016. They are all priceless.

No, they were done. And I don't think that is a 'celebratory' thing if people are saying they continued sexually. Not at all 4 Vanity. Vanity was also in relationships during this period. including Billy Idol, Nikki 6 etc. And even though 'what is good for the gander is good for the goose' I don't think being 'the other woman' is ever a place of pride.

And in 1986 Vanity partied with Prince & the Revolution at a club after a show, so that was very public.

singer-vanity-attends-the-party-for-prince-on-may-30-1986-at-tramps-picture-id98662048?s=612x612

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #296 posted 08/19/17 10:05am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Vashtix said:

benni said:


Exactly my point! That and the fact that just because a woman later says he wrote it about so-and-so, doesn't mean they are lying, because Prince could have told her he wrote it about so-and-so. I'm curious how many of the songs that are in question are songs that weren't officially released?? Or were released much later than when they were originally written? Because those songs then could be songs that Prince recycled between women. lol

To be fair the song was written before Susannah since Vanity had it during the triple threat tour but if peeps want to say it was written later on that is cool. It is a great song and timeless.

who is saying it was written later?

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #297 posted 08/19/17 10:13am

luvgirl

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



luvgirl said:


OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


Luvgirl, would you say your are 'team Vanity'?


 


 


 



I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or asking me a serious question, but yes, I think you already know that I'm a fan of Vanity. As I know you are a fan of The Revolution/ Susannah... I've been a fan of Vanity since I was twelve years old. Why?

 


 


Well if you've followed me at all here, you should know I'm team
Prince, the Rebels(what I call the band before 1982) the Time, the Revolution, Vanity 6, Sheila E(and band) the Family(not team Susannah) Mazarati, Apollonia(her place in the film) Jill Jones, Madhouse, SOTT band


 


I'm not trying to put any of them in competition with any of the others. I love them all equally for the 'purple culture' they were a part of with Prince.  This is the stuff music history and lore is built on.



I do see that you cater to all the associates you've mentioned. I see too that you are enthusiastic and tend to lean in favor of the Revolution/Susannah in all debates. I'm being honest due to my observations. If what you are saying is that you think the people who are calling out Lisa for saying that WA was written for Wendy and Susannah are putting the rev's in competition with Vanity then I think that you are overstating there. There is no competition in questioning something that you think is false. Should we not speak up about something between individuals that we think might be wrong in fear of competing? If it's wrong it's wrong and I won't be afraid to address it. I should have the right to have an honest debate about something that I feel is unfair without being afraid that it will be seen as a competition. That's not my intention. Lisa said something in an article that goes against what some of us knew and we questioned it. It just so happened to be a song that was said to be inspired by Vanity. No competition, just debating what's true and what's false and what falls in the grey areas. It's unfortunate if anyone sees it as competition.
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #298 posted 08/19/17 10:16am

Vashtix

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vashtix said:

Seems Prince and Denise duped us all.

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Prince and Vanity were not done in 1983, 84, 85, 86, 87,88,89 . . . .

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So, that too is another thing Prince kept out of the public eye.ll

.

I think what you said and I bolded is interesting. King of Shade and if you play me you play yourself . . . interesting way to look at it.

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Prince was king of private and as he kept saying it is all in his music. He gave us all rare glimpses prior to his transition. I am thankful for the Piano and Mic concerts in 2016. They are all priceless.

No, they were done. And I don't think that is a 'celebratory' thing if people are saying they continued sexually. Not at all 4 Vanity. Vanity was also in relationships during this period. including Billy Idol, Nikki 6 etc. And even though 'what is good for the gander is good for the goose' I don't think being 'the other woman' is ever a place of pride.

And in 1986 Vanity partied with Prince & the Revolution at a club after a show, so that was very public.

singer-vanity-attends-the-party-for-prince-on-may-30-1986-at-tramps-picture-id98662048?s=612x612

According to the information Vanity left behind she said she and Prince kept seeing one another off and on throughout the 80s. Including while he was with Kim Basinger. She wrote about it.

I was stunned and still am. That is what I meant by I do not think I can handle the truth.

[Edited 8/19/17 10:17am]

[Edited 8/19/17 10:18am]

Reply #299 posted 08/19/17 10:17am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Vashtix said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think you misunderstand my post about Vanity. I'm replying to things about the later 80s when Vanity was no longer in the camp.
As I said above, "I knew for a while that Vanity & Prince stayed in touch"

I know there are team Vanity team Jill team Mayte team Susannah etc people

I'm not into that. I always loved Vanity.

When Prince was working with the Time again leading up to Graffiti Bridge, Brenda & Susan Moonsie were also in the mix and there was talk of getting Vanity 6 together, but it was noted that Vanity was not well at all at that time.

Good thing they never reunited. It was as you said not healthy for her at that time. It is nice to know that she was considered even after Purple Rain to resume her initial character of Vanity. No one played that role of Nasty Girl next to Rude Boy Prince as she did. They are such campy, sexy fun!

Sorry I misunderstood.

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I enjoy knowing that a deep friendship bonded them for life. It takes mature, people who respect each other to be able to go through life together in a different capacity after experiencing a great love as they once had. It is on a whole different level than sex and romance.

No problem Vashtix, we are cool.

I don't know the full extent of Vanity 6 reforming. I believe there were 2 different 'movie' ideals happening. the Time initially had a movie idea that I believe they might have had Vanity 6 in idea as well. And then Prince had his movie idea with Madonna (Cat Sheila E) and the Lovesexy band.
Some of this was rooted in the aborted Coco Boys battle of the bands musical:the Dawn, Prince had been working in 1986.

But yes, a fellow Prince fan and I were talking about Susan Moonsie's charisma and place in the band just the other day. I've said it here and with others, that Vanity couldn't 'SANG' but she OWNED that spot. I appreciate Apollonia for her space in Purple Rain, but when you listen to her version of Sex Shooter and then the Vanity 6 version. There is no comparison.
When Vanity first walks out onto the floor in the Nasty Girl video look down at the chain she is holding in her hand, it was all over. Total charisma, total ownership of that spot.

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What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #300 posted 08/19/17 10:28am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

luvgirl said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well if you've followed me at all here, you should know I'm team
Prince, the Rebels(what I call the band before 1982) the Time, the Revolution, Vanity 6, Sheila E(and band) the Family(not team Susannah) Mazarati, Apollonia(her place in the film) Jill Jones, Madhouse, SOTT band

I'm not trying to put any of them in competition with any of the others. I love them all equally for the 'purple culture' they were a part of with Prince. This is the stuff music history and lore is built on.

I do see that you cater to all the associates you've mentioned. I see too that you are enthusiastic and tend to lean in favor of the Revolution/Susannah in all debates. I'm being honest due to my observations. If what you are saying is that you think the people who are calling out Lisa for saying that WA was written for Wendy and Susannah are putting the rev's in competition with Vanity then I think that you are overstating there. There is no competition in questioning something that you think is false. Should we not speak up about something between individuals that we think might be wrong in fear of competing? If it's wrong it's wrong and I won't be afraid to address it. I should have the right to have an honest debate about something that I feel is unfair without being afraid that it will be seen as a competition. That's not my intention. Lisa said something in an article that goes against what some of us knew and we questioned it. It just so happened to be a song that was said to be inspired by Vanity. No competition, just debating what's true and what's false and what falls in the grey areas. It's unfortunate if anyone sees it as competition.

Not cater, those are just my favorites in talking about their times with Prince and some things they've done afterwards.

Not true, you just see, me taking part in arguement or debates that happen to involve those people ie the Revolution members Susannah.
If people were going after Morris Day & the Time, I would be there too. Going hard for them.
But as I said before, there seems to be too much focus, by mostly female fans on their fav female associate artist. That is where the 'battles' are focused. Even when people post threads on 'favorite protege' it seems the men are not counted.

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Well to be honest, it is not overstating that people are putting this in a place of competition.

post #163 that we are talking again about Wonderful Ass being about who? flamed by Laurarichardson

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I'm saying, it seems by what you posted, that you cannot/won't consider the idea that many others have, that this song could have an evolutionary process of inspiration. "Right Vashtix, the song was written before Prince even met Susannah. The fact that we know this, the fact that it's been said by more than one qualified associate ( Susan Rogers, Jill Jones, Morris Hayes, and Appolonia) nullifies this whole argument... It was written for Vanity"

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That is why I asked if you are team Vanity. I'm not "team Susannah. not team Vanity." And I've pointed out explicitely when quoting what Lisa said, that she sited Wendy & Susannah as inspiration when she and Prince were singing the song in the studio. I never once said only Susannah as many who are opposing it continuely re-site.


What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #301 posted 08/19/17 1:03pm

Vashtix

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vashtix said:

Seems Prince and Denise duped us all.

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Prince and Vanity were not done in 1983, 84, 85, 86, 87,88,89 . . . .

.

So, that too is another thing Prince kept out of the public eye.ll

.

I think what you said and I bolded is interesting. King of Shade and if you play me you play yourself . . . interesting way to look at it.

.

Prince was king of private and as he kept saying it is all in his music. He gave us all rare glimpses prior to his transition. I am thankful for the Piano and Mic concerts in 2016. They are all priceless.

No, they were done. And I don't think that is a 'celebratory' thing if people are saying they continued sexually. Not at all 4 Vanity. Vanity was also in relationships during this period. including Billy Idol, Nikki 6 etc. And even though 'what is good for the gander is good for the goose' I don't think being 'the other woman' is ever a place of pride.

And in 1986 Vanity partied with Prince & the Revolution at a club after a show, so that was very public.

singer-vanity-attends-the-party-for-prince-on-may-30-1986-at-tramps-picture-id98662048?s=612x612

Just curious why would you call Vanity the other woman? I find that interesting since Prince had a harem. Wouldn't the others be the other woman since Vanity was the constant one?

Reply #302 posted 08/19/17 3:51pm

PennyPurple

Vashtix said:

Just curious why would you call Vanity the other woman? I find that interesting since Prince had a harem. Wouldn't the others be the other woman since Vanity was the constant one?

The other women were there before Vanity entered the picture, that would make Vanity the other woman.

Reply #303 posted 08/19/17 4:25pm

Vashtix

PennyPurple said:

 



Vashtix said:


 



 



Just curious why would you call Vanity the other woman? I find that interesting since Prince had a harem. Wouldn't the others be the other woman since Vanity was the constant one?


 


 


 


 



The other women were there before Vanity entered the picture, that would make Vanity the other woman.


But the other women were after Vanity. Vanity was always there. She and Prince never ended.Vanity was there before Susannah Devin D.,Robin Powers etc. Even if she came after she was not the other woman. They all were sharing one man. Unlike the others she was constant. Per new info from Toban it appears they never ended in the 80s.
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The relationship evolved over decades to deep friendship.
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Reply #304 posted 08/19/17 4:37pm

PennyPurple

err


Their sexual relationship was over Vashtix. Their friendship continued. There is a big difference. She walked into P's house that had at least 2 other women living there who were in relationships with him. V. was one of the other women. Her and Prince were never exclusive.

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Reply #305 posted 08/19/17 5:04pm

Vashtix

PennyPurple said:

err



Their sexual relationship was over Vashtix. Their friendship continued. There is a big difference. She walked into P's house that had at least 2 other women living there who were in relationships with him. V. was one of the other women. Her and Prince were never exclusive.

[Edited 8/19/17 16:40pm]


Who did Prince have an exclusive relationship with?
[Edited 8/19/17 17:20pm]
Reply #306 posted 08/19/17 5:50pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Vashtix said:

PennyPurple said:

The other women were there before Vanity entered the picture, that would make Vanity the other woman.

But the other women were after Vanity. Vanity was always there. She and Prince never ended.Vanity was there before Susannah Devin D.,Robin Powers etc. Even if she came after she was not the other woman. They all were sharing one man. Unlike the others she was constant. Per new info from Toban it appears they never ended in the 80s. . The relationship evolved over decades to deep friendship. [Edited 8/19/17 16:27pm]

Vashtix, that is a romantic fantasy that they never ended. They did.

Also Kim Upsher and Susan Moonsie(Vanity 6) were Prince's girlfriends too, and he was litely seeing Susan when he met Vanity. It was Susan that pulled out. Also he was seeing Jill Jones. I believe those two became intimate somewhere in the same year. Jill came into the camp mid-late 81. Vanity came in mid-late 82 during the end of the Controversy tour.

He knew Kim from High School and Susan early in his career, probably pre For You.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #307 posted 08/19/17 5:53pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Vashtix said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

No, they were done. And I don't think that is a 'celebratory' thing if people are saying they continued sexually. Not at all 4 Vanity. Vanity was also in relationships during this period. including Billy Idol, Nikki 6 etc. And even though 'what is good for the gander is good for the goose' I don't think being 'the other woman' is ever a place of pride.

And in 1986 Vanity partied with Prince & the Revolution at a club after a show, so that was very public.

singer-vanity-attends-the-party-for-prince-on-may-30-1986-at-tramps-picture-id98662048?s=612x612

Just curious why would you call Vanity the other woman? I find that interesting since Prince had a harem. Wouldn't the others be the other woman since Vanity was the constant one?

In 1982-early 84 before she left the purple camp. Vanity was the leading lady.

After that, whoever was the leading lady, if Vanity was seeing Prince on the down low, she becomes on of the other women.

Prince had 'leading ladies' side ladies and side hook ups/hangouts

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #308 posted 08/19/17 6:03pm

luvgirl

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



luvgirl said:


OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


 


Well if you've followed me at all here, you should know I'm team
Prince, the Rebels(what I call the band before 1982) the Time, the Revolution, Vanity 6, Sheila E(and band) the Family(not team Susannah) Mazarati, Apollonia(her place in the film) Jill Jones, Madhouse, SOTT band


 


I'm not trying to put any of them in competition with any of the others. I love them all equally for the 'purple culture' they were a part of with Prince.  This is the stuff music history and lore is built on.



I do see that you cater to all the associates you've mentioned. I see too that you are enthusiastic and tend to lean in favor of the Revolution/Susannah in all debates. I'm being honest due to my observations. If what you are saying is that you think the people who are calling out Lisa for saying that WA was written for Wendy and Susannah are putting the rev's in competition with Vanity then I think that you are overstating there. There is no competition in questioning something that you think is false. Should we not speak up about something between individuals that we think might be wrong in fear of competing? If it's wrong it's wrong and I won't be afraid to address it. I should have the right to have an honest debate about something that I feel is unfair without being afraid that it will be seen as a competition. That's not my intention. Lisa said something in an article that goes against what some of us knew and we questioned it. It just so happened to be a song that was said to be inspired by Vanity. No competition, just debating what's true and what's false and what falls in the grey areas. It's unfortunate if anyone sees it as competition.

 


Not cater, those are just my favorites in talking about their times with Prince and some things they've done afterwards.


Not true, you just see, me taking part in arguement or debates that happen to involve those people ie the Revolution members Susannah.
If people were going after Morris Day & the Time, I would be there too. Going hard for them.
But as I said before, there seems to be too much focus, by mostly female fans on their fav female associate artist. That is where the 'battles' are focused.  Even when people post threads on 'favorite protege' it seems the men are not counted.  


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Well to be honest, it is not overstating that people are putting this in a place of competition.


post #163 that we are talking again about Wonderful Ass being about who? flamed by Laurarichardson


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I'm saying, it seems by what you posted, that you cannot/won't consider the idea that many others have, that this song could have an evolutionary process of inspiration. "Right Vashtix, the song was written before Prince even met Susannah. The fact that we know this, the fact that it's been said by more than one qualified associate ( Susan Rogers, Jill Jones, Morris Hayes, and Appolonia) nullifies this whole argument... It was written for Vanity"


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  That is why I asked if you are team Vanity.  I'm not "team Susannah. not team Vanity." And I've pointed out explicitely when quoting what Lisa said, that she sited Wendy & Susannah as inspiration when she and Prince were singing the song in the studio. I never once said only Susannah as many who are opposing it continuely re-site.




We all have our favorite band member or associates. Some of us more enthusiastic than others. It's pretty easy to see who is team whoever here. It's human nature to come to the defense of who it is you respect and admire. I see it all the time. Even with the ones that swear up and down that they are unbiased when it comes to his women or bandmates. If you are here long enough you will know who their favorite's are. It's not rocket science. Outside of the Org, if someone says something negative that I don't agree with about Prince, they'd quickly know where my heart lies... There is nothing wrong with you favoring the rev's and Susannah. I didn't mean it as an insult. It's something that I observed. I observed that you seemed more enthusiastic about them than you are about all other Prince association. Nothing wrong with that. I'm not ashamed to say that I'm more enthusiastic about Vanity. This is a fan site. I had her posters on my walls right along with Prince. But that doesn't mean I don't respect Prince's other female association or that I would carelessly pit any of his women against each other as you seem to assume. If I didn't believe this song was about Vanity, I wouldn't have stated my opinion on the matter.

I think your comment about this being a women's battle and competition between female associates is unfair in this situation because we have cause to debate this song. It just so happen that the song in question is said to be inspired by two women that dated Prince, one of them who i've been a die hard fan of since the age of twelve. Not to mention though, here you are again in a debate of yet another song with me regarding the two same women. lol I remember in another thread, you leaning towards "The Beautiful Ones" being about Susannah, me leaning towards it being about vanity. Now it's WA. Are you involved in this cat fight competition? wink

This is not a makeshift argument to fight against protege's. The narrative about a song we've had substantial reasons to believe was inspired by Vanity is being changed. A song that many close associates of Prince came out to challenge Lisa on as to who inspired it as well. If Lisa did not state that WA was written for Wendy and Susannah and the fans did not know that WA was said to be about Vanity, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Just because some of us are not bending to the will of what you and a few others are trying to convey regarding the song, you equate anyone in support of the song being about Vanity to be in a battle or competing? That's not fair. I just don't happen to agree with you, it doesn't mean I'm trying to push competition between anyone. I even stated in my prior post that I choose to believe Lisa's first comment that they were goofing around with the song and that's what she probably meant by the song being about Wendy and Susannah. I don't however buy into all this other forced narrative that I'm hearing. Seems like BS to me. The song was written when it was written. I don't think there's anything wrong with me saying the song was initially for Vanity if it was.
[Edited 8/20/17 4:40am]
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #309 posted 08/19/17 6:22pm

Vashtix

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vashtix said:

Just curious why would you call Vanity the other woman? I find that interesting since Prince had a harem. Wouldn't the others be the other woman since Vanity was the constant one?

In 1982-early 84 before she left the purple camp. Vanity was the leading lady.

After that, whoever was the leading lady, if Vanity was seeing Prince on the down low, she becomes on of the other women.

Prince had 'leading ladies' side ladies and side hook ups/hangouts

That is an interesting take on it. I can understand your view and yes I do realize that the romance between Prince and Vanity finally ended. I was just specifically saying throughout the 80s they were not done. I also realize she was lied to initially and found he had other women when she came to Minneapolis. Again, for the record, I am not living in the fantasy of together forever lovers- I get they ended.

.

My take is that since Prince and Vanity publicly had let one another go but cirlcled back around to seeing one another it means they had something more than a mere sexual high and found something in one another their other mates did not have. The leading ladies Sheila E., Susannah, Robin Powers, Jill J., were not Vanity and her other guys were not Prince.

It was for them alone. The other women were Others- Nothing compared to one another.

.

Toban shared the italized words below and it made me realize our Beautiful Ones were hot and heavy for years. Vanity was indeed the leading lady in this scenario the others suited the purpose for the time. IDK, I find it fascinating.

http://prince.org/msg/5/444013?&pg=5

As it seems relevant to the discussion… let me add this.

.

Today I just discovered that Vanity and Prince continued to be romantically involved/intimate still seeing each other up into 1989.

I finally found a moment to read one of Denise earliest (typewritten) editions.

.

Describing the story / Not quoting.

Vanity had gotten tired of his phone ringing all night and into the morning. And though he may have trusted her not to stress him about women, it probably crossed his mind that “Vanity” would answer his phone. Prince just said don’t worry about it, it’s only Kim Basinger.

.

.

Quoting what she wrote would lead to another subject and that to other. I’m just try to stay on topic and trying to avoid having to put out a book.

As a Poet, for me the subject and question being, what mused those two and what drew those two?

[Edited 8/19/17 18:31pm]

[Edited 8/19/17 18:35pm]

Reply #310 posted 08/19/17 7:05pm

PennyPurple

Vashtix said:

PennyPurple said:

err


Their sexual relationship was over Vashtix. Their friendship continued. There is a big difference. She walked into P's house that had at least 2 other women living there who were in relationships with him. V. was one of the other women. Her and Prince were never exclusive.

[Edited 8/19/17 16:40pm]

Who did Prince have an exclusive relationship with? [Edited 8/19/17 17:20pm]

I don't think he ever had an exclusive relationship.

Reply #311 posted 08/19/17 7:39pm

purplefam99

Vashtix said:

 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 



Vashtix said:


 


Not trying to deter the current conversation but I am thinking that since we are learning Prince and Denise were close over the decades there is much none of us know. I had no idea they were close over the decades. I have to say we have absolutely no real knowledge of many things. 


I am thinking of the famous line "you can't handle the truth." and I am admitting I do not think I can. 


[Edited 8/18/17 17:33pm]



 


 


Prince & Vanity communicated still.  I don't think they were lovers still.


I knew for a while that Vanity & Prince stayed in touch. Not many people from that 78-88 period he did not stay in touch with.  Doesn't mean he continued to write songs about Vanity.
And I would not want Prince to still be 'involved' with Vanity because it was not good for her when she was with him. It wasn't healthy for her, and she was not healthy.



Prince was friends over decades with Denise and they both evolved and changed. According to what Toban shared this week  in the other thread they enjoyed one another's companionship and mused each other and Prince enjoyed her company. She was not a trying to get in the business anymore, nor was she part of a harem, nor was she trying to validate herself in to the public as the quintessential, ulitmate, forever muse. Sounds like they were just tight, close, friends who shared sensibilites and evolved and transformed over the years so Prince was no longer bad for her nor she for him. They had mellowed as most do with age.


i


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http://prince.org/msg/5/444013?jump=190&pg=7#msg_10009123


 


They definitely understood each other, they obviously accepted each other as they were and it is evidently that they enjoyed each others companionship. They shared a special connection that they reserved for themselves and kept to themselves.



I really really like this possibility Vashtix. I think they may have enjoyed the real intimacy that comes with age and knowing someone for so long the deep deep love that doesn't need sex to consummate its revelance. My feeling.
Reply #312 posted 08/19/17 7:43pm

purplefam99

purplegirl00 said:

 



Vashtix said:


 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 


 


 


Prince & Vanity communicated still.  I don't think they were lovers still.


I knew for a while that Vanity & Prince stayed in touch. Not many people from that 78-88 period he did not stay in touch with.  Doesn't mean he continued to write songs about Vanity.
And I would not want Prince to still be 'involved' with Vanity because it was not good for her when she was with him. It wasn't healthy for her, and she was not healthy.



Prince was friends over decades with Denise and they both evolved and changed. According to what Toban shared this week  in the other thread they enjoyed one another's companionship and mused each other and Prince enjoyed her company. She was not a trying to get in the business anymore, nor was she part of a harem, nor was she trying to validate herself in to the public as the quintessential, ulitmate, forever muse. Sounds like they were just tight, close, friends who shared sensibilites and evolved and transformed over the years so Prince was no longer bad for her nor she for him. They had mellowed as most do with age.


i


.


http://prince.org/msg/5/444013?jump=190&pg=7#msg_10009123


 


They definitely understood each other, they obviously accepted each other as they were and it is evidently that they enjoyed each others companionship. They shared a special connection that they reserved for themselves and kept to themselves.



 


THIS! Thank you Vashtix! 


I don't see where anyone has said that they were lovers at or to the end, but with some of the responses in this thread, you would think that was said or implied. lol     


Based on what Toban has shared recently, my impression has been they had evolved from the chaotic relationship they once shared to a deep, close friendship where they respected and cared for each other.  Though they shared similar spiritual beliefs/ thoughts, Denise wanted nothing of his Hollywood/ rocknroll lifestyle and always mentioned how she was praying for Prince.   With all her health issues, I'm willing to guess that he prayed for her too- as he did for other people in his life.


If Prince and Denise were tight friends later in life, shared camaraderie it did not take away from any of his ex-wives or women that he had been with in the past, or was with in later years.   


 



Yes I could see them seeking each other's council.
Reply #313 posted 08/19/17 7:47pm

purplefam99

benni said:

 



Vashtix said:


benni said:

 



Exactly my point!  That and the fact that just because a woman later says he wrote it about so-and-so, doesn't mean they are lying, because Prince could have told her he wrote it about so-and-so.  I'm curious how many of the songs that are in question are songs that weren't officially released??  Or were released much later than when they were originally written?  Because those songs then could be songs that Prince recycled between women.  lol 



To be fair the song was written before Susannah since Vanity had it during the triple threat tour but if peeps want to say it was written later on that is cool. It is a great song and timeless.


I don't think any one is denying when the song was written, merely that it is possible that Prince recycled the song and told the next lady in the mix that it was about her.  And if that is the case, then Wendy is not lying, only relaying information she believed was true because that is what she was told by Prince.  And with the way Prince would do remixes of songs, it's possible that any remix he did to a song was inspired by the next lady, while the first lady inspired the first version.  And, again, Prince could have written a song for his own reasons, but him, being Prince, knew that if he told a woman it was about her, she'd swoon and give him whatever he wanted.  lol  Personally, I think Denise did inspire the song originally, but Prince, having moved on from Denise at that time, later told Wendy it was about Susannah.  It could even have been an issue in which Prince was hurt by Denise leaving and wanted to hurt her in return by giving away the song he'd told was for her, so that it would not be associated with Denise (in his mind and the minds of those around him) any more. 




Yes I could see this scenario, as our guy could be vindictive. Ala "I hate you"
And carmen.
Reply #314 posted 08/19/17 7:54pm

purplefam99

Vashtix said:

 



benni said:


 



Vashtix said:


benni said: To be fair the song was written before Susannah since Vanity had it during the triple threat tour but if peeps want to say it was written later on that is cool. It is a great song and timeless.


I don't think any one is denying when the song was written, merely that it is possible that Prince recycled the song and told the next lady in the mix that it was about her.  And if that is the case, then Wendy is not lying, only relaying information she believed was true because that is what she was told by Prince.  And with the way Prince would do remixes of songs, it's possible that any remix he did to a song was inspired by the next lady, while the first lady inspired the first version.  And, again, Prince could have written a song for his own reasons, but him, being Prince, knew that if he told a woman it was about her, she'd swoon and give him whatever he wanted.  lol  Personally, I think Denise did inspire the song originally, but Prince, having moved on from Denise at that time, later told Wendy it was about Susannah.  It could even have been an issue in which Prince was hurt by Denise leaving and wanted to hurt her in return by giving away the song he'd told was for her, so that it would not be associated with Denise (in his mind and the minds of those around him) any more. 



Seems Prince and Denise duped us all.


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Prince and Vanity were not done in 1983, 84, 85, 86, 87,88,89 . . . . 


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So, that too is another thing Prince kept out of the public eye.ll


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I think what you said and I bolded is interesting. King of Shade and if you play me you play yourself .  . . interesting way to look at it. 


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Prince was king of private and as he  kept  saying it is all in his music. He gave us all rare glimpses prior to his transition. I am thankful for the Piano and Mic concerts in 2016. They are all priceless.


 



So if I am getting you right Vashtix, if he gave the song away to be spiteful in regards to vanity he would be looking back on that relationship and still dwelling on it or maybe perhaps they were still seeing each other??? Hmmmmm interesting possibility.
Reply #315 posted 08/19/17 8:02pm

purplefam99

PennyPurple said:

err



Their sexual relationship was over Vashtix. Their friendship continued. There is a big difference. She walked into P's house that had at least 2 other women living there who were in relationships with him. V. was one of the other women. Her and Prince were never exclusive.

[Edited 8/19/17 16:40pm]




School me who were the 2 before V? Thx
Reply #316 posted 08/19/17 8:05pm

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



Vashtix said:


PennyPurple said:

 


The other women were there before Vanity entered the picture, that would make Vanity the other woman.



But the other women were after Vanity. Vanity was always there. She and Prince never ended.Vanity was there before Susannah Devin D.,Robin Powers etc. Even if she came after she was not the other woman. They all were sharing one man. Unlike the others she was constant. Per new info from Toban it appears they never ended in the 80s. . The relationship evolved over decades to deep friendship. [Edited 8/19/17 16:27pm]

 


Vashtix, that is a romantic fantasy that they never ended. They did.


 


Also Kim Upsher and Susan Moonsie(Vanity 6) were Prince's girlfriends too, and he was litely seeing Susan when he met Vanity. It was Susan that pulled out.  Also he was seeing Jill Jones. I believe those two became intimate somewhere in the same year. Jill came into the camp mid-late 81. Vanity came in mid-late 82 during the end of the Controversy tour.


 


He knew Kim from High School and Susan early in his career, probably pre For You.


 


 




I kinda feel like they didn't capture his attention like Vanity. Like they were yummy but not scrumptious.
Reply #317 posted 08/19/17 8:06pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Vashtix said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

In 1982-early 84 before she left the purple camp. Vanity was the leading lady.

After that, whoever was the leading lady, if Vanity was seeing Prince on the down low, she becomes on of the other women.

Prince had 'leading ladies' side ladies and side hook ups/hangouts

That is an interesting take on it. I can understand your view and yes I do realize that the romance between Prince and Vanity finally ended. I was just specifically saying throughout the 80s they were not done. I also realize she was lied to initially and found he had other women when she came to Minneapolis. Again, for the record, I am not living in the fantasy of together forever lovers- I get they ended.

.

My take is that since Prince and Vanity publicly had let one another go but cirlcled back around to seeing one another it means they had something more than a mere sexual high and found something in one another their other mates did not have. The leading ladies Sheila E., Susannah, Robin Powers, Jill J., were not Vanity and her other guys were not Prince.

It was for them alone. The other women were Others- Nothing compared to one another.

.

Toban shared the italized words below and it made me realize our Beautiful Ones were hot and heavy for years. Vanity was indeed the leading lady in this scenario the others suited the purpose for the time. IDK, I find it fascinating.

http://prince.org/msg/5/444013?&pg=5

As it seems relevant to the discussion… let me add this.

.

Today I just discovered that Vanity and Prince continued to be romantically involved/intimate still seeing each other up into 1989.

I finally found a moment to read one of Denise earliest (typewritten) editions.

.

Describing the story / Not quoting.

Vanity had gotten tired of his phone ringing all night and into the morning. And though he may have trusted her not to stress him about women, it probably crossed his mind that “Vanity” would answer his phone. Prince just said don’t worry about it, it’s only Kim Basinger.

.

.

Quoting what she wrote would lead to another subject and that to other. I’m just try to stay on topic and trying to avoid having to put out a book.

As a Poet, for me the subject and question being, what mused those two and what drew those two?

[Edited 8/19/17 18:31pm]

[Edited 8/19/17 18:35pm]

Just because Prince might have continued to 'circle' back to Vanity, doesn't mean it is a good thing.
Sadly Vanity was dealing with a serious issue of addiction. She was in with Nikki Sixx as well. and that was just not a good situation.
Addictions and Sex and two of the worst combinations. So the 'circling back' is most likely not a good thing. Even in Addiction recoveries, people are told to refrain from getting in relationships for a while. And even people not addicted to a drug/alchohol whether it is family-friend-lover can be pulled into the addicted loved ones addiction cycle. 'Love Addiction' combined amps up the bad.

I just isn't anything to be romanticized. It is a vicious raw emotionally and physically 'violent' cycle.

Sheila E suffered sexual abuse at a younger age. So she was wrestling with her demons as well.
I've read that it took some time for Sheila E to cut that part off with Prince, and that it did possibly continue into the early 90s.

But she knew it wasn't good for her.
Some of these women were strong enough to just move on in that dept. Where was it going to lead but the same thing. So that they did not 'circle back' is a good thing.

I don't think Jill or Robyn were 'leading ladies' they were never in that position to be known that way. If anything acress Troy Beyer was, being very visible with Prince.

But Vanity, Susannah Melvoin, Sheila E, Kim Bassinger, Troy Beyer, Nona Gaye, Mayte...

Prince's relationship with Nona also involved heavy drug use on her part. People make up reason why Prince went the Mayte route, was because he wasn't going to marry Nona mostly because of the drug addiction.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #318 posted 08/19/17 8:07pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

PennyPurple said:

err


Their sexual relationship was over Vashtix. Their friendship continued. There is a big difference. She walked into P's house that had at least 2 other women living there who were in relationships with him. V. was one of the other women. Her and Prince were never exclusive.

[Edited 8/19/17 16:40pm]

School me who were the 2 before V? Thx

(in the camp)
Kim Upsher

Susan Moonsie ie Private Joy, When Doves Cry

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #319 posted 08/19/17 8:08pm

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



purplefam99 said:


PennyPurple said:

err



Their sexual relationship was over Vashtix. Their friendship continued. There is a big difference. She walked into P's house that had at least 2 other women living there who were in relationships with him. V. was one of the other women. Her and Prince were never exclusive.


[Edited 8/19/17 16:40pm]



School me who were the 2 before V? Thx

 


 


(in the camp)
Kim Upsher 


Susan Moonsie ie Private Joy, When Doves Cry


 


 


 


 




Thx OF4S!
Reply #320 posted 08/19/17 8:10pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vashtix, that is a romantic fantasy that they never ended. They did.

Also Kim Upsher and Susan Moonsie(Vanity 6) were Prince's girlfriends too, and he was litely seeing Susan when he met Vanity. It was Susan that pulled out. Also he was seeing Jill Jones. I believe those two became intimate somewhere in the same year. Jill came into the camp mid-late 81. Vanity came in mid-late 82 during the end of the Controversy tour.

He knew Kim from High School and Susan early in his career, probably pre For You.

I kinda feel like they didn't capture his attention like Vanity. Like they were yummy but not scrumptious.

Eh Susan Moonsie, was more put together. She came from a stable family.
And she didn't want to be caught up in what she saw to be a 'harem' forming.
She was the one who cut it off, and when Apollonia 6 was done she went and got

and education, and her own family.

Remember Susan Moonsie & Vanity along with Brenda were very tight. They knew

everything going on. And Moonsie made a conscious decision to be platonic friends with Prince, and friends with Vanity.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #321 posted 08/20/17 2:29am

CatB

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vashtix said:

PennyPurple said: But the other women were after Vanity. Vanity was always there. She and Prince never ended.Vanity was there before Susannah Devin D.,Robin Powers etc. Even if she came after she was not the other woman. They all were sharing one man. Unlike the others she was constant. Per new info from Toban it appears they never ended in the 80s. . The relationship evolved over decades to deep friendship. [Edited 8/19/17 16:27pm]

Vashtix, that is a romantic fantasy that they never ended. They did.

Also Kim Upsher and Susan Moonsie(Vanity 6) were Prince's girlfriends too, and he was litely seeing Susan when he met Vanity. It was Susan that pulled out. Also he was seeing Jill Jones. I believe those two became intimate somewhere in the same year. Jill came into the camp mid-late 81. Vanity came in mid-late 82 during the end of the Controversy tour.



Yep and Denise was not the only one of the original ladies he started looking back to in the 90s.





"Time is space spent with U"
Reply #322 posted 08/20/17 5:11am

luvgirl

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



Vashtix said:


 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 


 


 


Prince & Vanity communicated still.  I don't think they were lovers still.


I knew for a while that Vanity & Prince stayed in touch. Not many people from that 78-88 period he did not stay in touch with.  Doesn't mean he continued to write songs about Vanity.
And I would not want Prince to still be 'involved' with Vanity because it was not good for her when she was with him. It wasn't healthy for her, and she was not healthy.



Prince was friends over decades with Denise and they both evolved and changed. According to what Toban shared this week  in the other thread they enjoyed one another's companionship and mused each other and Prince enjoyed her company. She was not a trying to get in the business anymore, nor was she part of a harem, nor was she trying to validate herself in to the public as the quintessential, ulitmate, forever muse. Sounds like they were just tight, close, friends who shared sensibilites and evolved and transformed over the years so Prince was no longer bad for her nor she for him. They had mellowed as most do with age.


i


.


http://prince.org/msg/5/444013?jump=190&pg=7#msg_10009123


 


They definitely understood each other, they obviously accepted each other as they were and it is evidently that they enjoyed each others companionship. They shared a special connection that they reserved for themselves and kept to themselves.



 


I think you misunderstand my post about Vanity. I'm replying to things about the later 80s when Vanity was no longer in the camp.
As I said above, "I knew for a while that Vanity & Prince stayed in touch"


I know there are team Vanity team Jill team Mayte team Susannah etc people


I'm not into that.  I always loved Vanity.


When Prince was working with the Time again leading up to Graffiti Bridge, Brenda & Susan Moonsie were also in the mix and there was talk of getting Vanity 6 together, but it was noted that Vanity was not well at all at that time.  



Do you have the source that Prince wanted to get Vanity 6 back together around that time but Vanity was not well? I'd like to read that if you have information on it.
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #323 posted 08/20/17 5:12am

Vashtix

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vashtix said:

That is an interesting take on it. I can understand your view and yes I do realize that the romance between Prince and Vanity finally ended. I was just specifically saying throughout the 80s they were not done. I also realize she was lied to initially and found he had other women when she came to Minneapolis. Again, for the record, I am not living in the fantasy of together forever lovers- I get they ended.

.

My take is that since Prince and Vanity publicly had let one another go but cirlcled back around to seeing one another it means they had something more than a mere sexual high and found something in one another their other mates did not have. The leading ladies Sheila E., Susannah, Robin Powers, Jill J., were not Vanity and her other guys were not Prince.

It was for them alone. The other women were Others- Nothing compared to one another.

.

Toban shared the italized words below and it made me realize our Beautiful Ones were hot and heavy for years. Vanity was indeed the leading lady in this scenario the others suited the purpose for the time. IDK, I find it fascinating.

http://prince.org/msg/5/444013?&pg=5

As it seems relevant to the discussion… let me add this.

.

Today I just discovered that Vanity and Prince continued to be romantically involved/intimate still seeing each other up into 1989.

I finally found a moment to read one of Denise earliest (typewritten) editions.

.

Describing the story / Not quoting.

Vanity had gotten tired of his phone ringing all night and into the morning. And though he may have trusted her not to stress him about women, it probably crossed his mind that “Vanity” would answer his phone. Prince just said don’t worry about it, it’s only Kim Basinger.

.

.

Quoting what she wrote would lead to another subject and that to other. I’m just try to stay on topic and trying to avoid having to put out a book.

As a Poet, for me the subject and question being, what mused those two and what drew those two?

[Edited 8/19/17 18:31pm]

[Edited 8/19/17 18:35pm]

Just because Prince might have continued to 'circle' back to Vanity, doesn't mean it is a good thing.
Sadly Vanity was dealing with a serious issue of addiction. She was in with Nikki Sixx as well. and that was just not a good situation.
Addictions and Sex and two of the worst combinations. So the 'circling back' is most likely not a good thing. Even in Addiction recoveries, people are told to refrain from getting in relationships for a while. And even people not addicted to a drug/alchohol whether it is family-friend-lover can be pulled into the addicted loved ones addiction cycle. 'Love Addiction' combined amps up the bad.

I just isn't anything to be romanticized. It is a vicious raw emotionally and physically 'violent' cycle.

Sheila E suffered sexual abuse at a younger age. So she was wrestling with her demons as well.
I've read that it took some time for Sheila E to cut that part off with Prince, and that it did possibly continue into the early 90s.

But she knew it wasn't good for her.
Some of these women were strong enough to just move on in that dept. Where was it going to lead but the same thing. So that they did not 'circle back' is a good thing.

I don't think Jill or Robyn were 'leading ladies' they were never in that position to be known that way. If anything acress Troy Beyer was, being very visible with Prince.

But Vanity, Susannah Melvoin, Sheila E, Kim Bassinger, Troy Beyer, Nona Gaye, Mayte...

Prince's relationship with Nona also involved heavy drug use on her part. People make up reason why Prince went the Mayte route, was because he wasn't going to marry Nona mostly because of the drug addiction.

Please check this- I AM NOT A FANTASY PERSON. I know Prince and Vanity broke up. I appreciate if peeps reading this understand I get that, believe that and note that.

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I am not saying they were together 4 ever. My point is it has been said Vanity and Prince ended in 1983. I was stating that they did not end in 1983 but years later.

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I never said anything about Prince not circling back to any other women as we all know he was never a truly monogamous man. Please do not lump me into that camp.

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As far as Susan Moonsie goes she stayed around til after Appolonia 6 . When Doves Cry speaks of someone leaving the other standing alone. She was there for years after. I will never get that WDC connection. I am not understanding what she has to do with Vanity and Prince still seeing one another past 1983. Susan, Kim Upsher (who it was learned Prince remained close with til she died in 2015) were all part of his harem in the early days. Love Susan!! she is still gorgeous to this day. heart

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I am saying Prince and Vanity did not end in 1983 but continued into 1989. That means the writers saying Prince hated Vanity etc. was not true. They are not the authorities people make them out to be. Their facts are wrong and it also means that much of the lore from the 80s has been misrepped and their timelines wrong. I am speaking that or posteriorty we need it right. It is not about who likes who or my girl is better than yours etc. It is about the fact that along with the other women at that time Vanity was still around, not banished into some drug induced alley even if she was doing coke and had Nikki Sixx,Billy Idol, and other men as Vanity owned up to having. It needs to be out and spoken of because she was a major person especially since Purple Rain had the romantic leads as Prince and Vanity.

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I do not know every name of every woman Prince was linked with but there was no real leading lady in my mind if he was still playing Rude Boy to Vanity's Nasty Girl/ The Kid to Apples/Vanity through the 80s decade. Sure they had a public tiff but she was not the other woman to me-NOTE I said to me. I am not discounting any of the other women.

I am not touching the 90s. Please note I am just talking 80s.

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If any of the women he was seeing had any inkling that Prince was still seeing Vanity I can see it being a troubling spot to then and now. Vanity and Prince hung out, picked peeps up from the airpor and she was attending his concerts and he had that outfit made for her, the one posted from 1986. - they were getting on fine.

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This info needs to be noted, not for us, but for those after. There is more than the 1 scenario that we have been told over the years. This one needs to be included especially for those who learn about Prince years to come. I will add since Purple Rain was such a mega movie and the female lead was Apples playing Vanity. Vanity needs to stop being talked about as an afterthought,a sick coke head fiend, whore/harlot. She needs to be spoken of in the totality of who and what she was and respected as the other women at that time have been. Prince will be talked of for ages to come. I hope as time goes on and we are farther away from the transitions of Prince and Denise people will place personal biases aside and share real discussion and info. without fear of petty arguments.

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I am understanding now though why the need to not to validate Denise. Prince and Denise had an understanding. Toban explains it in the other thread on this board. It was way more adult than most can handle esp. if there is need for a fairytale type.traditional romance. They were not traditionalists so it clearly worked for them and allowed it to continue past 1983. Just saying.

I am not talking her health, his health physically/mentally or if it was a good thing to do. I am just saying what has been learned/discussed. Again I never said they never broke up, I never said she was the love of his life, THAT IS NOT what I have said here at all so please do not accuse,attack, or make fun of me for those things. I know this is a touchy, volatile topic and I am not coming for any fanbase, or any person(s). There is no evil passive agressive intent or agenda here. I was just stating info in my opinion needs to be shared.

Reply #324 posted 08/20/17 5:36am

luvgirl

PennyPurple said:
Their sexual relationship was over Vashtix. Their friendship continued. There is a big difference. She walked into P's house that had at least 2 other women living there who were in relationships with him. V. was one of the other women. Her and Prince were never exclusive.

Who were the two other women that lived with Prince when Denise first arrived? Yes, she walked into the apartment to see Brenda and Susan, but Susan had her own apartment and Brenda was not in a relationship with him. Who else are you saying lived there at that time? I don't recall TOB saying that any other ladies lived there apart from Brenda.
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I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #325 posted 08/20/17 7:15am

luvgirl

benni said:

 



Vashtix said:


benni said:

 



Exactly my point!  That and the fact that just because a woman later says he wrote it about so-and-so, doesn't mean they are lying, because Prince could have told her he wrote it about so-and-so.  I'm curious how many of the songs that are in question are songs that weren't officially released??  Or were released much later than when they were originally written?  Because those songs then could be songs that Prince recycled between women.  lol 



To be fair the song was written before Susannah since Vanity had it during the triple threat tour but if peeps want to say it was written later on that is cool. It is a great song and timeless.


I don't think any one is denying when the song was written, merely that it is possible that Prince recycled the song and told the next lady in the mix that it was about her.  And if that is the case, then Wendy is not lying, only relaying information she believed was true because that is what she was told by Prince.  And with the way Prince would do remixes of songs, it's possible that any remix he did to a song was inspired by the next lady, while the first lady inspired the first version.  And, again, Prince could have written a song for his own reasons, but him, being Prince, knew that if he told a woman it was about her, she'd swoon and give him whatever he wanted.  lol  Personally, I think Denise did inspire the song originally, but Prince, having moved on from Denise at that time, later told Wendy it was about Susannah.  It could even have been an issue in which Prince was hurt by Denise leaving and wanted to hurt her in return by giving away the song he'd told was for her, so that it would not be associated with Denise (in his mind and the minds of those around him) any more. 



This is a valid point, but although I think he might have done that with other songs, I don't believe he did that with WA due to the lyric content. The lyrics in the song are really volatile lyrics, even hostile and angry in points. The epitome of his love/hate relationship with Vanity. He didn't seem to have that kind of lack of trust towards Susannah and don't forget Wendy is supposed to be involved in all of this. Why would he later attribute those lyrics to Susannah/Wendy? I just can't see how anyone would think that the lyrics in that song was intended for any of those ladies at any point.
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I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #326 posted 08/20/17 7:23am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Vashtix said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Just because Prince might have continued to 'circle' back to Vanity, doesn't mean it is a good thing.
Sadly Vanity was dealing with a serious issue of addiction. She was in with Nikki Sixx as well. and that was just not a good situation.
Addictions and Sex and two of the worst combinations. So the 'circling back' is most likely not a good thing. Even in Addiction recoveries, people are told to refrain from getting in relationships for a while. And even people not addicted to a drug/alchohol whether it is family-friend-lover can be pulled into the addicted loved ones addiction cycle. 'Love Addiction' combined amps up the bad.

I just isn't anything to be romanticized. It is a vicious raw emotionally and physically 'violent' cycle.

Sheila E suffered sexual abuse at a younger age. So she was wrestling with her demons as well.
I've read that it took some time for Sheila E to cut that part off with Prince, and that it did possibly continue into the early 90s.

But she knew it wasn't good for her.
Some of these women were strong enough to just move on in that dept. Where was it going to lead but the same thing. So that they did not 'circle back' is a good thing.

I don't think Jill or Robyn were 'leading ladies' they were never in that position to be known that way. If anything acress Troy Beyer was, being very visible with Prince.

But Vanity, Susannah Melvoin, Sheila E, Kim Bassinger, Troy Beyer, Nona Gaye, Mayte...

Prince's relationship with Nona also involved heavy drug use on her part. People make up reason why Prince went the Mayte route, was because he wasn't going to marry Nona mostly because of the drug addiction.

Please check this- I AM NOT A FANTASY PERSON. I know Prince and Vanity broke up. I appreciate if peeps reading this understand I get that, believe that and note that.

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I am not saying they were together 4 ever. My point is it has been said Vanity and Prince ended in 1983. I was stating that they did not end in 1983 but years later.

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I never said anything about Prince not circling back to any other women as we all know he was never a truly monogamous man. Please do not lump me into that camp.

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As far as Susan Moonsie goes she stayed around til after Appolonia 6 . When Doves Cry speaks of someone leaving the other standing alone. She was there for years after. I will never get that WDC connection. I am not understanding what she has to do with Vanity and Prince still seeing one another past 1983. Susan, Kim Upsher (who it was learned Prince remained close with til she died in 2015) were all part of his harem in the early days. Love Susan!! she is still gorgeous to this day. heart

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I am saying Prince and Vanity did not end in 1983 but continued into 1989. That means the writers saying Prince hated Vanity etc. was not true. They are not the authorities people make them out to be. Their facts are wrong and it also means that much of the lore from the 80s has been misrepped and their timelines wrong. I am speaking that or posteriorty we need it right. It is not about who likes who or my girl is better than yours etc. It is about the fact that along with the other women at that time Vanity was still around, not banished into some drug induced alley even if she was doing coke and had Nikki Sixx,Billy Idol, and other men as Vanity owned up to having. It needs to be out and spoken of because she was a major person especially since Purple Rain had the romantic leads as Prince and Vanity.

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I do not know every name of every woman Prince was linked with but there was no real leading lady in my mind if he was still playing Rude Boy to Vanity's Nasty Girl/ The Kid to Apples/Vanity through the 80s decade. Sure they had a public tiff but she was not the other woman to me-NOTE I said to me. I am not discounting any of the other women.

I am not touching the 90s. Please note I am just talking 80s.

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If any of the women he was seeing had any inkling that Prince was still seeing Vanity I can see it being a troubling spot to then and now. Vanity and Prince hung out, picked peeps up from the airpor and she was attending his concerts and he had that outfit made for her, the one posted from 1986. - they were getting on fine.

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This info needs to be noted, not for us, but for those after. There is more than the 1 scenario that we have been told over the years. This one needs to be included especially for those who learn about Prince years to come. I will add since Purple Rain was such a mega movie and the female lead was Apples playing Vanity. Vanity needs to stop being talked about as an afterthought,a sick coke head fiend, whore/harlot. She needs to be spoken of in the totality of who and what she was and respected as the other women at that time have been. Prince will be talked of for ages to come. I hope as time goes on and we are farther away from the transitions of Prince and Denise people will place personal biases aside and share real discussion and info. without fear of petty arguments.

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I am understanding now though why the need to not to validate Denise. Prince and Denise had an understanding. Toban explains it in the other thread on this board. It was way more adult than most can handle esp. if there is need for a fairytale type.traditional romance. They were not traditionalists so it clearly worked for them and allowed it to continue past 1983. Just saying.

I am not talking her health, his health physically/mentally or if it was a good thing to do. I am just saying what has been learned/discussed. Again I never said they never broke up, I never said she was the love of his life, THAT IS NOT what I have said here at all so please do not accuse,attack, or make fun of me for those things. I know this is a touchy, volatile topic and I am not coming for any fanbase, or any person(s). There is no evil passive agressive intent or agenda here. I was just stating info in my opinion needs to be shared.

When I talk about the 'romantic fantasy' I'm talking about the general notion of it, not you specifically. All this information coming in does revolve around a romance.

But you keep saying 'Vanity was the constant' that is fantasy. What does that even mean that she was constant? She was married, what twice? In her religious belief, any emotional attachments with a man that doesn't have to include sex is called adultery.

What do you mean by 'Constant'?

Because if it means what I think in general definition, he was also constant with Susannah & Sheila E through his whole life.

you said:My take is that since Prince and Vanity publicly had let one another go but cirlcled back around to seeing one another it means they had something more than a mere sexual high...

found something in one another their other mates did not have. The leading ladies Sheila E., Susannah, Robin Powers, Jill J., were not Vanity and her other guys were not Prince.

It was for them alone. The other women were Others- Nothing compared to one another.

It technically ended in 1984, not 83.

Well Susan Moonsie comes into it, because in post #303 you said: But the other women were after Vanity. Vanity was always there.

Which I corrected with Susan Moonsie and Prince dated before Vanity came into the scene, and continued a little while Prince & Vanity were dating(leading lady). And it was Susan Moonsie that made the conscious decision to end the romantic side of it.

When Doves Cry? Because Prince tended to play the victim in a lot of his songs. He was the one being left alone, or rejected, or cheated on. Susan Moonsie deciding to remove herself from the growing harem, can easily be seen by Prince as 'leaving me standing in a world alone. She represented a certain type of innocence(hence the 'edge of 17' image she was given) Prince early on would stay at her families house sometimes. She obviously represented some kind of stability ie family.

V, you don't have to reiterate that Vanity and Prince may have continued a fling after 84. I believe they did. I'm just not saying, I find nothing wonderfully loving about it. It was addiction mode. Vanity was in full blown addiction sadly. And Prince wasn't actually in the best places of life himself.
Remember, one of the reasons Vanity left Prince exclusively was that he played mind games with her-something she experienced with her family. And Prince was clearly seeing other women. So to go back to that kind of relationship (if this was any other regular woman) it would be seen as not healthy. In her state of being she was looking for fame and looking for love. Prince couldn't give her that.

They were cool, but I cannot sugar coat how internally this just wasn't a good thing for Vanity.
The fact that she was in such a dark place with Nikki Sixx in 1987, while still seeing Prince showed how it just wasn't good for her all around. Especially being a woman. in the 80s she was a functioning addict. On the surface Vanity had a very good career.

Again, I love Vanity ie Denise Matthews. I've said in some past threads, that if Prince had Vanit 6:Vanity Susan Brenda appear on stage with him, removing Shelby Liv Elise I would go crazy. I always knew they kept in touch, and I'm glad they did. But that was just friendship. She married twice, he married twice. Anything emotionally 'romantic' in their lives during those periods in 1995 would be considered adultery. And I don't want to see them that way. Even though Prince lived out differently than Denise after 1995.

In 1995, she said, "When I came to the Lord Jesus Christ, I threw out about 1,000 tapes of mine—interview, every tape, every video. Everything.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #327 posted 08/20/17 7:25am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

luvgirl said:

benni said:


I don't think any one is denying when the song was written, merely that it is possible that Prince recycled the song and told the next lady in the mix that it was about her. And if that is the case, then Wendy is not lying, only relaying information she believed was true because that is what she was told by Prince. And with the way Prince would do remixes of songs, it's possible that any remix he did to a song was inspired by the next lady, while the first lady inspired the first version. And, again, Prince could have written a song for his own reasons, but him, being Prince, knew that if he told a woman it was about her, she'd swoon and give him whatever he wanted. lol Personally, I think Denise did inspire the song originally, but Prince, having moved on from Denise at that time, later told Wendy it was about Susannah. It could even have been an issue in which Prince was hurt by Denise leaving and wanted to hurt her in return by giving away the song he'd told was for her, so that it would not be associated with Denise (in his mind and the minds of those around him) any more.

This is a valid point, but although I think he might have done that with other songs, I don't believe he did that with WA due to the lyric content. The lyrics in the song are really volatile lyrics, even hostile and angry in points. The epitome of his love/hate relationship with Vanity. He didn't seem to have that kind of relationship with Susannah and don't forget Wendy is supposed to be involved in all of this. Why would he later attribute those lyrics to Susannah/Wendy? I just can't see how anyone would think that the lyrics in that song was intended for them at any point. [Edited 8/20/17 7:21am]

Actually those lyrics, probably describe Prince more than anything. He had a good way of sitting in the other persons seat and looking back at him and writing songs.

Like Do Me Baby is sang exclusively from a womans stand point.

Those lyrics any person at various degrees could ascribe to Prince.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #328 posted 08/20/17 7:27am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

luvgirl said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think you misunderstand my post about Vanity. I'm replying to things about the later 80s when Vanity was no longer in the camp.
As I said above, "I knew for a while that Vanity & Prince stayed in touch"

I know there are team Vanity team Jill team Mayte team Susannah etc people

I'm not into that. I always loved Vanity.

When Prince was working with the Time again leading up to Graffiti Bridge, Brenda & Susan Moonsie were also in the mix and there was talk of getting Vanity 6 together, but it was noted that Vanity was not well at all at that time.

Do you have the source that Prince wanted to get Vanity 6 back together around that time but Vanity was not well? I'd like to read that if you have information on it.

I'll try to locate it. It was posted on a Vanity6/Apollonia 6 fb page. I believe it was a quote from Brenda Bennett.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #329 posted 08/20/17 7:33am

luvgirl

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



luvgirl said:


benni said:

 



I don't think any one is denying when the song was written, merely that it is possible that Prince recycled the song and told the next lady in the mix that it was about her.  And if that is the case, then Wendy is not lying, only relaying information she believed was true because that is what she was told by Prince.  And with the way Prince would do remixes of songs, it's possible that any remix he did to a song was inspired by the next lady, while the first lady inspired the first version.  And, again, Prince could have written a song for his own reasons, but him, being Prince, knew that if he told a woman it was about her, she'd swoon and give him whatever he wanted.  lol  Personally, I think Denise did inspire the song originally, but Prince, having moved on from Denise at that time, later told Wendy it was about Susannah.  It could even have been an issue in which Prince was hurt by Denise leaving and wanted to hurt her in return by giving away the song he'd told was for her, so that it would not be associated with Denise (in his mind and the minds of those around him) any more. 



This is a valid point, but although I think he might have done that with other songs, I don't believe he did that with WA due to the lyric content. The lyrics in the song are really volatile lyrics, even hostile and angry in points. The epitome of his love/hate relationship with Vanity. He didn't seem to have that kind of relationship with Susannah and don't forget Wendy is supposed to be involved in all of this. Why would he later attribute those lyrics to Susannah/Wendy? I just can't see how anyone would think that the lyrics in that song was intended for them at any point. [Edited 8/20/17 7:21am]

 


 


Actually those lyrics, probably describe Prince more than anything.  He had a good way of sitting in the other persons seat and looking back at him and writing songs.


 


Like Do Me Baby is sang exclusively from a womans stand point.


 


Those lyrics any person at various degrees could ascribe to Prince.


 


 



Yea but this time we know that the song was intially inspired by Vanity so she obviously inspired the lyrics and the lyrics actually fit their volatile relationship.
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I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #330 posted 08/20/17 7:43am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

luvgirl said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Not cater, those are just my favorites in talking about their times with Prince and some things they've done afterwards.

Not true, you just see, me taking part in arguement or debates that happen to involve those people ie the Revolution members Susannah.
If people were going after Morris Day & the Time, I would be there too. Going hard for them.
But as I said before, there seems to be too much focus, by mostly female fans on their fav female associate artist. That is where the 'battles' are focused. Even when people post threads on 'favorite protege' it seems the men are not counted.

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Well to be honest, it is not overstating that people are putting this in a place of competition.

post #163 that we are talking again about Wonderful Ass being about who? flamed by Laurarichardson

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I'm saying, it seems by what you posted, that you cannot/won't consider the idea that many others have, that this song could have an evolutionary process of inspiration. "Right Vashtix, the song was written before Prince even met Susannah. The fact that we know this, the fact that it's been said by more than one qualified associate ( Susan Rogers, Jill Jones, Morris Hayes, and Appolonia) nullifies this whole argument... It was written for Vanity"

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That is why I asked if you are team Vanity. I'm not "team Susannah. not team Vanity." And I've pointed out explicitely when quoting what Lisa said, that she sited Wendy & Susannah as inspiration when she and Prince were singing the song in the studio. I never once said only Susannah as many who are opposing it continuely re-site.


We all have our favorite band member or associates. Some of us more enthusiastic than others. It's pretty easy to see who is team whoever here. It's human nature to come to the defense of who it is you respect and admire. I see it all the time. Even with the ones that swear up and down that they are unbiased when it comes to his women or bandmates. If you are here long enough you will know who their favorite's are. It's not rocket science. Outside of the Org, if someone says something negative that I don't agree with about Prince, they'd quickly know where my heart lies... There is nothing wrong with you favoring the rev's and Susannah. I didn't mean it as an insult. It's something that I observed. I observed that you seemed more enthusiastic about them than you are about all other Prince association. Nothing wrong with that. I'm not ashamed to say that I'm more enthusiastic about Vanity. This is a fan site. I had her posters on my walls right along with Prince. But that doesn't mean I don't respect Prince's other female association or that I would carelessly pit any of his women against each other as you seem to assume. If I didn't believe this song was about Vanity, I wouldn't have stated my opinion on the matter. I think your comment about this being a women's battle and competition between female associates is unfair in this situation because we have cause to debate this song. It just so happen that the song in question is said to be inspired by two women that dated Prince, one of them who i've been a die hard fan of since the age of twelve. Not to mention though, here you are again in a debate of yet another song with me regarding the two same women. lol I remember in another thread, you leaning towards "The Beautiful Ones" being about Susannah, me leaning towards it being about vanity. Now it's WA. Are you involved in this cat fight competition? wink This is not a makeshift argument to fight against protege's. The narrative about a song we've had substantial reasons to believe was inspired by Vanity is being changed. A song that many close associates of Prince came out to challenge Lisa on as to who inspired it as well. If Lisa did not state that WA was written for Wendy and Susannah and the fans did not know that WA was said to be about Vanity, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Just because some of us are not bending to the will of what you and a few others are trying to convey regarding the song, you equate anyone in support of the song being about Vanity to be in a battle or competing? That's not fair. I just don't happen to agree with you, it doesn't mean I'm trying to push competition between anyone. I even stated in my prior post that I choose to believe Lisa's first comment that they were goofing around with the song and that's what she probably meant by the song being about Wendy and Susannah. I don't however buy into all this other forced narrative that I'm hearing. Seems like BS to me. The song was written when it was written. I don't think there's anything wrong with me saying the song was initially for Vanity if it was. [Edited 8/20/17 4:40am]

But the Revolution & Susannah are not my favorite.

It just isn't the case.
I've made era threads on Prince throught his whole career. Every album. Looking into the people in his camp from background people to prominent.
I've never done a Prince & Susannah era thread. But I have done a Prince and Ingid thread, I have done a Prince & Carmen Electra thread, etc
When Denise passed away, I believe I was on page 6-7 of the Prince & Vanity 6 thread.
I have have done a Prince & the Family thread, as I've done for all the proteges in the 80s (not Madhouse yet though)

What you will read from me is usually based on access and current discussion.
If people were creating constant threads in 2017 attacking Vanity 6 or the Time, I would be extensively posting in it. Some thread just don't go further. When Denise passed away there was a member Violet something, I don't know if she/he is still here, but they got on the high horse 'blaming Denise's drug abuse' for her demise. I blasted her on every thread she posted, because she tried to carry that in multiple forums or in every place she tried to talk about things related in the Politics & Religion forum, I blasted her.

If there are 10 threads about the Revolution, 5 about the Family 3 about Sheila E, I'll probably be on all of them. And it will just happen to be that 10 are about the Revolution.

Sheila E came under heavy fire last year. I went to bat for her jfust like I did the Revolution.

I have one an art piece I'm working now of Prince Denise Matthews & Heaven. I have 'what if Vanity continued in the Prince camp concepts for some art, and I've always talked about what Vanity 6 would have been like in the ATWIAD Parade & Dream Factory eras.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #331 posted 08/20/17 8:26am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

luvgirl said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Actually those lyrics, probably describe Prince more than anything. He had a good way of sitting in the other persons seat and looking back at him and writing songs.

Like Do Me Baby is sang exclusively from a womans stand point.

Those lyrics any person at various degrees could ascribe to Prince.

Yea but this time we know that the song was intially inspired by Vanity so she obviously inspired the lyrics and the lyrics actually fit their volatile relationship. [Edited 8/20/17 7:52am]

That is not disputed.
And I don't see the lyrics as volatile.
I always saw it as complicated, like a lot of relationship can be

especially if there may be broken trust.

A lot of women could say that about Prince.
hell some of the men in the bands could say some of that stuff too.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #332 posted 08/20/17 10:10am

luvgirl

OldFriends4Sale said:

luvgirl said:

OldFriends4Sale said: Yea but this time we know that the song was intially inspired by Vanity so she obviously inspired the lyrics and the lyrics actually fit their volatile relationship. [Edited 8/20/17 7:52am]

That is not disputed.
And I don't see the lyrics as volatile.
I always saw it as complicated, like a lot of relationship can be

especially if there may be broken trust.

A lot of women could say that about Prince.
hell some of the men in the bands could say some of that stuff too.

The song lyrics categorizes the lack of trust and understanding towards a woman he was in a relationship with, who he obviously thought was sleeping around on him, identifying the reason why he still didn't want to leave her.

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True love before sex U just can't relate

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Saying that U love me, it don't do no good,

U want me 2 trust U, I wish that I could

U cannot build a house with plastic wood

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I guess what it is is that I hate your ideas of fun (Oh yeah?) But baby I rate your ass number one

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I don't usually have time 4 babes with no class, but I can always find time 4 your ass

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U try to fu*k for love... (This sure looks volatile to me..)



[Edited 8/20/17 11:07am]

I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #333 posted 08/20/17 11:42am

Vashtix

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vashtix said:

Please check this- I AM NOT A FANTASY PERSON. I know Prince and Vanity broke up. I appreciate if peeps reading this understand I get that, believe that and note that.

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I am not saying they were together 4 ever. My point is it has been said Vanity and Prince ended in 1983. I was stating that they did not end in 1983 but years later.

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I never said anything about Prince not circling back to any other women as we all know he was never a truly monogamous man. Please do not lump me into that camp.

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As far as Susan Moonsie goes she stayed around til after Appolonia 6 . When Doves Cry speaks of someone leaving the other standing alone. She was there for years after. I will never get that WDC connection. I am not understanding what she has to do with Vanity and Prince still seeing one another past 1983. Susan, Kim Upsher (who it was learned Prince remained close with til she died in 2015) were all part of his harem in the early days. Love Susan!! she is still gorgeous to this day. heart

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I am saying Prince and Vanity did not end in 1983 but continued into 1989. That means the writers saying Prince hated Vanity etc. was not true. They are not the authorities people make them out to be. Their facts are wrong and it also means that much of the lore from the 80s has been misrepped and their timelines wrong. I am speaking that or posteriorty we need it right. It is not about who likes who or my girl is better than yours etc. It is about the fact that along with the other women at that time Vanity was still around, not banished into some drug induced alley even if she was doing coke and had Nikki Sixx,Billy Idol, and other men as Vanity owned up to having. It needs to be out and spoken of because she was a major person especially since Purple Rain had the romantic leads as Prince and Vanity.

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I do not know every name of every woman Prince was linked with but there was no real leading lady in my mind if he was still playing Rude Boy to Vanity's Nasty Girl/ The Kid to Apples/Vanity through the 80s decade. Sure they had a public tiff but she was not the other woman to me-NOTE I said to me. I am not discounting any of the other women.

I am not touching the 90s. Please note I am just talking 80s.

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If any of the women he was seeing had any inkling that Prince was still seeing Vanity I can see it being a troubling spot to then and now. Vanity and Prince hung out, picked peeps up from the airpor and she was attending his concerts and he had that outfit made for her, the one posted from 1986. - they were getting on fine.

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This info needs to be noted, not for us, but for those after. There is more than the 1 scenario that we have been told over the years. This one needs to be included especially for those who learn about Prince years to come. I will add since Purple Rain was such a mega movie and the female lead was Apples playing Vanity. Vanity needs to stop being talked about as an afterthought,a sick coke head fiend, whore/harlot. She needs to be spoken of in the totality of who and what she was and respected as the other women at that time have been. Prince will be talked of for ages to come. I hope as time goes on and we are farther away from the transitions of Prince and Denise people will place personal biases aside and share real discussion and info. without fear of petty arguments.

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I am understanding now though why the need to not to validate Denise. Prince and Denise had an understanding. Toban explains it in the other thread on this board. It was way more adult than most can handle esp. if there is need for a fairytale type.traditional romance. They were not traditionalists so it clearly worked for them and allowed it to continue past 1983. Just saying.

I am not talking her health, his health physically/mentally or if it was a good thing to do. I am just saying what has been learned/discussed. Again I never said they never broke up, I never said she was the love of his life, THAT IS NOT what I have said here at all so please do not accuse,attack, or make fun of me for those things. I know this is a touchy, volatile topic and I am not coming for any fanbase, or any person(s). There is no evil passive agressive intent or agenda here. I was just stating info in my opinion needs to be shared.

When I talk about the 'romantic fantasy' I'm talking about the general notion of it, not you specifically. All this information coming in does revolve around a romance.

But you keep saying 'Vanity was the constant' that is fantasy. What does that even mean that she was constant? She was married, what twice? In her religious belief, any emotional attachments with a man that doesn't have to include sex is called adultery.

What do you mean by 'Constant'?

Because if it means what I think in general definition, he was also constant with Susannah & Sheila E through his whole life.

you said:My take is that since Prince and Vanity publicly had let one another go but cirlcled back around to seeing one another it means they had something more than a mere sexual high...

found something in one another their other mates did not have. The leading ladies Sheila E., Susannah, Robin Powers, Jill J., were not Vanity and her other guys were not Prince.

It was for them alone. The other women were Others- Nothing compared to one another.

It technically ended in 1984, not 83.

Well Susan Moonsie comes into it, because in post #303 you said: But the other women were after Vanity. Vanity was always there.

Which I corrected with Susan Moonsie and Prince dated before Vanity came into the scene, and continued a little while Prince & Vanity were dating(leading lady). And it was Susan Moonsie that made the conscious decision to end the romantic side of it.

When Doves Cry? Because Prince tended to play the victim in a lot of his songs. He was the one being left alone, or rejected, or cheated on. Susan Moonsie deciding to remove herself from the growing harem, can easily be seen by Prince as 'leaving me standing in a world alone. She represented a certain type of innocence(hence the 'edge of 17' image she was given) Prince early on would stay at her families house sometimes. She obviously represented some kind of stability ie family.

V, you don't have to reiterate that Vanity and Prince may have continued a fling after 84. I believe they did. I'm just not saying, I find nothing wonderfully loving about it. It was addiction mode. Vanity was in full blown addiction sadly. And Prince wasn't actually in the best places of life himself.
Remember, one of the reasons Vanity left Prince exclusively was that he played mind games with her-something she experienced with her family. And Prince was clearly seeing other women. So to go back to that kind of relationship (if this was any other regular woman) it would be seen as not healthy. In her state of being she was looking for fame and looking for love. Prince couldn't give her that.

They were cool, but I cannot sugar coat how internally this just wasn't a good thing for Vanity.
The fact that she was in such a dark place with Nikki Sixx in 1987, while still seeing Prince showed how it just wasn't good for her all around. Especially being a woman. in the 80s she was a functioning addict. On the surface Vanity had a very good career.

Again, I love Vanity ie Denise Matthews. I've said in some past threads, that if Prince had Vanit 6:Vanity Susan Brenda appear on stage with him, removing Shelby Liv Elise I would go crazy. I always knew they kept in touch, and I'm glad they did. But that was just friendship. She married twice, he married twice. Anything emotionally 'romantic' in their lives during those periods in 1995 would be considered adultery. And I don't want to see them that way. Even though Prince lived out differently than Denise after 1995.

In 1995, she said, "When I came to the Lord Jesus Christ, I threw out about 1,000 tapes of mine—interview, every tape, every video. Everything.

This has become a very intricate discussion biggrin

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I respect Denise Matthews as an Evangelist and I as I said in my earlier post I was only speaking of the

80s NOT the 90s. Again, I am honestly only speaking of Vanity in the 80s. They are 2 very different people and did different things. I respect an admire the woman Denise fought with blood, tears, and prayers an amazing faith to become. She really has been a real inspiration and I do not want to even try to touch the 90s.

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I was simply saying since Vanity never went away in 1983 she was constant. The other women got fed up and left , relationships ended and new ones began. She and Prince remained. That is not belittling or discounting any of the women. This is not a competition. I just noted she was constant in that decade once they met. I did not quantify it as a good/bad thing. I really did not want to discuss that either. I am saying it needs to be respected that Prince and Vanity remained after 1983 and for whatever the reason did not quit each other.

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I appreciate your take on Susan Moonsie whom I really think is adorbs. heart I do have an issue with people treating Vanity like poop on the bottom of their shoes because she did not have that "good home" and Susan did. That is just the wrong to me. I do not think being blessed with a good home deems anyone more entitled to love and be loved than the person who was not born in that "good home" situation.

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Again I never said there was anything loving or wonderful, good or bad about Prince and Vanity seeing each other after 1983/84. I was just stating in the history of Prince that needs to be noted and not swept under the rug for anyone wanting to know the history of Prince. I mean as I said already she was the main woman the public knew - that RS Cover did a lot for Prince back in the day and like it or not she was big part of it .I was just stating that for those who come after it needs to be noted. It may matter as his story is being researched and retold year, centuries to come.Yes it was romantic in the 80s and I am not embellishing or giving my opinion on the pros and cons of that.

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Reply #334 posted 08/20/17 12:57pm

luvgirl

Vashtix said:

PennyPurple said:

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Their sexual relationship was over Vashtix. Their friendship continued. There is a big difference. She walked into P's house that had at least 2 other women living there who were in relationships with him. V. was one of the other women. Her and Prince were never exclusive.

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Who did Prince have an exclusive relationship with?
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Vashtix, Prince and Vanity at one point had the same nature of exclusivity as the rest of the leading ladies. (As much as that entailed...)
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #335 posted 08/20/17 1:16pm

luvgirl

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



Vashtix said:


PennyPurple said:

 


The other women were there before Vanity entered the picture, that would make Vanity the other woman.



But the other women were after Vanity. Vanity was always there. She and Prince never ended.Vanity was there before Susannah Devin D.,Robin Powers etc. Even if she came after she was not the other woman. They all were sharing one man. Unlike the others she was constant. Per new info from Toban it appears they never ended in the 80s. . The relationship evolved over decades to deep friendship. [Edited 8/19/17 16:27pm]

 


Vashtix, that is a romantic fantasy that they never ended. They did.


 


Also Kim Upsher and Susan Moonsie(Vanity 6) were Prince's girlfriends too, and he was litely seeing Susan when he met Vanity. It was Susan that pulled out.  Also he was seeing Jill Jones. I believe those two became intimate somewhere in the same year. Jill came into the camp mid-late 81. Vanity came in mid-late 82 during the end of the Controversy tour.


 


He knew Kim from High School and Susan early in his career, probably pre For You.


 


 



Did you come across a different source for the dates you have Jill Jones and Vanity entering the Prince camp? I have it as these dates. Vanity met Prince Janurary 82 if not earlier.

Vanity met Prince 1/25/82 AMA (as per a few different sources)
Jill came into the Prince camp after the food fight incident 3/14/82. (She noted in an interview)
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #336 posted 08/20/17 1:44pm

luvgirl

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



Vashtix said:


 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 


 


 


Just because Prince might have continued to 'circle' back to Vanity, doesn't mean it is a good thing.
Sadly Vanity was dealing with a serious issue of addiction.  She was in with Nikki Sixx as well. and that was just not a good situation.  
Addictions and Sex and two of the worst combinations.  So the 'circling back' is most likely not a good thing.  Even in Addiction recoveries, people are told to refrain from getting in relationships for a while. And even people not addicted to a drug/alchohol whether it is family-friend-lover can be pulled into the addicted loved ones addiction cycle. 'Love Addiction' combined amps up the bad.


I just isn't anything to be romanticized. It is a vicious raw emotionally and physically 'violent' cycle.


 


Sheila E suffered sexual abuse at a younger age. So she was wrestling with her demons as well. 
I've read that it took some time for Sheila E to cut that part off with Prince, and that it did possibly continue into the early 90s.

But she knew it wasn't good for her.
Some of these women were strong enough to just move on in that dept. Where was it going to lead but the same thing. So that they did not 'circle back' is a good thing.

I don't think Jill or Robyn were 'leading ladies' they were never in that position to be known that way.  If anything acress Troy Beyer was, being very visible with Prince.


 


But Vanity, Susannah Melvoin, Sheila E, Kim Bassinger, Troy Beyer, Nona Gaye, Mayte...

Prince's relationship with Nona also involved heavy drug use on her part. People make up reason why Prince went the Mayte route, was because he wasn't going to marry Nona mostly because of the drug addiction.


 


 



 


Please check this- I AM NOT A FANTASY PERSON.  I know Prince and Vanity broke up. I appreciate if peeps reading this  understand I get that, believe that and note that. 


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I am not saying they were together 4 ever. My point is it has been said Vanity and Prince ended in 1983. I was stating that they did not end in 1983 but years later.


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I never said anything about Prince not circling back to any other women as we all know he was never a truly monogamous man. Please do not lump me into that camp. 


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As far as Susan Moonsie goes she stayed around til after Appolonia 6 . When Doves Cry speaks of someone leaving the other standing alone. She was there for years after.  I will never get that WDC connection. I am not understanding what she has to do with Vanity and Prince still seeing one another past 1983. Susan, Kim Upsher (who it was learned Prince remained close with til she died in 2015) were all part of his harem  in the early days. Love  Susan!!  she is still gorgeous to this day.  heart


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I am saying Prince and Vanity did not end in 1983 but continued into 1989. That means the writers saying Prince hated Vanity etc. was not true. They are not the authorities people make them out to be. Their facts are wrong and it also means that much of the lore from the 80s has been misrepped and their timelines wrong. I am  speaking that or posteriorty we need it right. It is not about who likes who or my girl is better than yours etc. It is about the fact that along with the other women at that time Vanity was still around, not banished into some drug induced alley even if she was doing coke and had Nikki Sixx,Billy Idol, and other men as Vanity owned up to having. It needs to be out and spoken of because she was a major person especially since Purple Rain had the romantic leads as Prince and Vanity.


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I do not know every name of every woman Prince was linked with but there was no real leading lady in my mind if he was still playing Rude Boy to Vanity's Nasty Girl/ The Kid to Apples/Vanity through the 80s decade. Sure they had a public tiff but  she was not the other woman to me-NOTE I said to me. I am not discounting any of the other women. 


I am not touching the 90s. Please note I am just talking 80s.


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 If any of the women he was seeing  had any inkling that Prince was still seeing Vanity I can see it being a troubling spot to then and now. Vanity and Prince hung out,  picked peeps up from the airpor and she was attending his concerts and he had that outfit made for her, the one posted from 1986. - they were getting on fine.


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This info needs to be noted, not for us, but for those after. There is more than the 1  scenario that we have been told over the years. This one needs to be included especially for those who learn about Prince years to come.  I will add since Purple Rain was such a mega movie and the female lead was Apples playing Vanity.  Vanity needs to stop being talked about as an afterthought,a sick coke head fiend, whore/harlot. She needs to be spoken of in the totality of who and what she was and respected as the other women at that time have been. Prince will be talked of for ages to come. I hope as time goes on and we are farther away from the transitions of Prince and Denise people will place personal biases aside and share real discussion and info. without fear of petty arguments.


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I am understanding now though why the need to not to validate Denise.  Prince and Denise had an understanding. Toban explains it in the other thread on this board. It was way more adult than most can handle esp. if there is need for a fairytale type.traditional romance. They were not traditionalists so it clearly worked for them and allowed it to continue past 1983. Just saying. 


I am not talking her health, his health physically/mentally or if it was a good thing to do. I am just saying what has been learned/discussed.  Again I never said they never broke up, I never said she was the love of his life, THAT IS NOT what I have said here at all so please do not accuse,attack, or make fun of me for those things. I know this is a touchy, volatile topic and I am not coming for any fanbase, or any person(s). There is no evil passive agressive intent or agenda here. I was just stating info in my opinion needs to be shared.



 


 


When I talk about the 'romantic fantasy' I'm talking about the general notion of it, not you specifically.  All this information coming in does revolve around a romance.


 


 But you keep saying 'Vanity was the constant' that is fantasy. What does that even mean that she was constant?  She was married, what twice? In her religious belief, any emotional attachments with a man that doesn't have to include sex is called adultery.


What do you mean by 'Constant'?  


Because if it means what I think in general definition, he was also constant with Susannah & Sheila E through his whole life.


 


 


you said:My take is that since Prince and Vanity publicly had let one another go but cirlcled back around to seeing one another it means they had something more than a mere sexual high...


found something in one another their other mates did not have. The leading ladies Sheila E., Susannah, Robin Powers, Jill J., were not Vanity and her other guys were not Prince.


It was for them alone. The other women were Others- Nothing compared to one another.


 


 


 


It technically ended in 1984, not 83.


 


 


Well Susan Moonsie comes into it, because in post #303 you said: But the other women were after Vanity. Vanity was always there. 


 


Which I corrected with Susan Moonsie and Prince dated before Vanity came into the scene, and continued a little while Prince & Vanity were dating(leading lady). And it was Susan Moonsie that made the conscious decision to end the romantic side of it.  


 


When Doves Cry? Because Prince tended to play the victim in a lot of his songs.  He was the one being left alone, or rejected, or cheated on.  Susan Moonsie deciding to remove herself from the growing harem, can easily be seen by Prince as 'leaving me standing in a world alone.  She represented a certain type of innocence(hence the 'edge of 17' image she was given) Prince early on would stay at her families house sometimes.  She obviously represented some kind of stability ie family.  


 


V, you don't have to reiterate that Vanity and Prince may have continued a fling after 84. I believe they did. I'm just not saying, I find nothing wonderfully loving about it. It was addiction mode. Vanity was in full blown addiction sadly. And Prince wasn't actually in the best places of life himself.
Remember, one of the reasons Vanity left Prince exclusively was that he played mind games with her-something she experienced with her family. And Prince was clearly seeing other women.  So to go back to that kind of relationship (if this was any other regular woman) it would be seen as not healthy.  In her state of being she was looking for fame and looking for love.  Prince couldn't give her that.


 


They were cool, but I cannot sugar coat how internally this just wasn't a good thing for Vanity.
The fact that she was in such a dark place with Nikki Sixx in 1987, while still seeing Prince showed how it just wasn't good for her all around.  Especially being a woman.  in the 80s she was a functioning addict.  On the surface Vanity had a very good career. 


 


Again, I love Vanity ie Denise Matthews. I've said in some past threads, that if Prince had Vanit 6:Vanity Susan Brenda appear on stage with him, removing Shelby Liv Elise I would go crazy. I always knew they kept in touch, and I'm glad they did. But that was just friendship. She married twice, he married twice. Anything emotionally 'romantic' in their lives during those periods in 1995 would be considered adultery.  And I don't want to see them that way.  Even though Prince lived out differently than Denise after 1995.


 


 


 


In 1995, she said, "When I came to the Lord Jesus Christ, I threw out about 1,000 tapes of mine—interview, every tape, every video. Everything.



Why do you say Prince and Vanity's relationship technically ended in 1984? Vanity left the Prince camp early August 1983. She wrote in her letters that she did not speak with Prince again until the night she gave him the awards at the AMA in 1985. I think that was when they reconnected. Do you have a different source?
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #337 posted 08/20/17 1:54pm

PennyPurple

luvgirl said:

Why do you say Prince and Vanity's relationship technically ended in 1984? Vanity left the Prince camp early August 1983. She wrote in her letters that she did not speak with Prince again until the night she gave him the awards at the AMA in 1985. I think that was when they reconnected. Do you have a different source?

There relationship didn't end in 1984. It only ended in the public eye. They kept it going and was still intimate until (89)? They stayed in contact with each other all these years. Toban, Vanity's brother in law told us this info.

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Reply #338 posted 08/20/17 2:21pm

luvgirl

PennyPurple said:

 



luvgirl said:



 


 


 



Why do you say Prince and Vanity's relationship technically ended in 1984? Vanity left the Prince camp early August 1983. She wrote in her letters that she did not speak with Prince again until the night she gave him the awards at the AMA in 1985. I think that was when they reconnected. Do you have a different source?

There relationship didn't end in 1984. It only ended in the public eye. They kept it going and was still intimate until (89)? They stayed in contact with each other all these years. Toban, Vanity's brother in law told us this info.

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From what I understood, it wasn't from 1984 to 1989. TOB first told us that they didn't connect again until 1985 at the AMA. It's in her writings which I have. He then posted that they saw each other off and on in the eighties until 1989 but that had to have been from the point of the AMA in 1985.
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #339 posted 08/20/17 3:24pm

PennyPurple

luvgirl said:

PennyPurple said:

There relationship didn't end in 1984. It only ended in the public eye. They kept it going and was still intimate until (89)? They stayed in contact with each other all these years. Toban, Vanity's brother in law told us this info.

[Edited 8/20/17 13:56pm]

From what I understood, it wasn't from 1984 to 1989. TOB first told us that they didn't connect again until 1985 at the AMA. It's in her writings which I have. He then posted that they saw each other off and on in the eighties until 1989 but that had to have been from the point of the AMA in 1985.

So your complaint is the year 1984?? Is that what is throwing you off?? 1 year?

Reply #340 posted 08/20/17 3:54pm

luvgirl

PennyPurple said:

 



luvgirl said:


PennyPurple said:

 


There relationship didn't end in 1984. It only ended in the public eye. They kept it going and was still intimate until (89)? They stayed in contact with each other all these years. Toban, Vanity's brother in law told us this info.


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From what I understood, it wasn't from 1984 to 1989. TOB first told us that they didn't connect again until 1985 at the AMA. It's in her writings which I have. He then posted that they saw each other off and on in the eighties until 1989 but that had to have been from the point of the AMA in 1985.

So your complaint is the year 1984?? Is that what is throwing you off?? 1 year?



Maybe you don't care about correct info, but I do. A difference between me and you.
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I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #341 posted 08/20/17 4:03pm

luvgirl

Vashtix said:

 



OldFriends4Sale said:



Oldfriends4sale said: When I talk about the 'romantic fantasy' I'm talking about the general notion of it, not you specifically.  All this information coming in does revolve around a romance.


 


 But you keep saying 'Vanity was the constant' that is fantasy. What does that even mean that she was constant?  She was married, what twice? In her religious belief, any emotional attachments with a man that doesn't have to include sex is called adultery.


What do you mean by 'Constant'?  


Because if it means what I think in general definition, he was also constant with Susannah & Sheila E through his whole life.


 


 


you said:My take is that since Prince and Vanity publicly had let one another go but cirlcled back around to seeing one another it means they had something more than a mere sexual high...


found something in one another their other mates did not have. The leading ladies Sheila E., Susannah, Robin Powers, Jill J., were not Vanity and her other guys were not Prince.


It was for them alone. The other women were Others- Nothing compared to one another.


 


 


 


It technically ended in 1984, not 83.


 


 


Well Susan Moonsie comes into it, because in post #303 you said: But the other women were after Vanity. Vanity was always there. 


 


Which I corrected with Susan Moonsie and Prince dated before Vanity came into the scene, and continued a little while Prince & Vanity were dating(leading lady). And it was Susan Moonsie that made the conscious decision to end the romantic side of it.  


 


When Doves Cry? Because Prince tended to play the victim in a lot of his songs.  He was the one being left alone, or rejected, or cheated on.  Susan Moonsie deciding to remove herself from the growing harem, can easily be seen by Prince as 'leaving me standing in a world alone.  She represented a certain type of innocence(hence the 'edge of 17' image she was given) Prince early on would stay at her families house sometimes.  She obviously represented some kind of stability ie family.  


 


V, you don't have to reiterate that Vanity and Prince may have continued a fling after 84. I believe they did. I'm just not saying, I find nothing wonderfully loving about it. It was addiction mode. Vanity was in full blown addiction sadly. And Prince wasn't actually in the best places of life himself.
Remember, one of the reasons Vanity left Prince exclusively was that he played mind games with her-something she experienced with her family. And Prince was clearly seeing other women.  So to go back to that kind of relationship (if this was any other regular woman) it would be seen as not healthy.  In her state of being she was looking for fame and looking for love.  Prince couldn't give her that.


 


They were cool, but I cannot sugar coat how internally this just wasn't a good thing for Vanity.
The fact that she was in such a dark place with Nikki Sixx in 1987, while still seeing Prince showed how it just wasn't good for her all around.  Especially being a woman.  in the 80s she was a functioning addict.  On the surface Vanity had a very good career. 


 


Again, I love Vanity ie Denise Matthews. I've said in some past threads, that if Prince had Vanit 6:Vanity Susan Brenda appear on stage with him, removing Shelby Liv Elise I would go crazy. I always knew they kept in touch, and I'm glad they did. But that was just friendship. She married twice, he married twice. Anything emotionally 'romantic' in their lives during those periods in 1995 would be considered adultery.  And I don't want to see them that way.  Even though Prince lived out differently than Denise after 1995.


 


 


 


In 1995, she said, "When I came to the Lord Jesus Christ, I threw out about 1,000 tapes of mine—interview, every tape, every video. Everything.



This has become a very intricate discussion biggrin


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I respect Denise Matthews as an Evangelist and I as I said in my earlier post I was only speaking of the


80s NOT the 90s. Again,  I am honestly only speaking of Vanity in the 80s. They are 2 very different people and did different things. I respect an admire the woman Denise fought with blood, tears, and prayers an amazing faith to become. She really has been a real inspiration and I do not want to even try to touch the 90s. 


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I was simply saying since Vanity never went away in 1983 she was constant. The other women got fed up and left , relationships ended and new ones began. She and Prince remained. That is not belittling or discounting any of the women. This is not a competition. I just noted she was constant in that decade once they met. I did not quantify it as a good/bad thing. I really did not want to discuss that either. I am saying it needs to be respected that Prince and Vanity remained after 1983 and for whatever the reason did not quit each other. 


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I appreciate your take on Susan Moonsie whom I really think is adorbs. heart I do  have an issue with people treating Vanity like poop on the bottom of their shoes because she did not have that "good home" and Susan did. That is just the wrong to me.  I do not think being blessed with a good home deems anyone more entitled to love and be loved than the person who was not born in that "good home" situation. 


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Again I never said there was anything loving or wonderful, good or bad about Prince and Vanity seeing each other after 1983/84. I was just stating in the history of Prince that needs to be noted and not swept under the rug for anyone wanting to know the history of Prince. I mean as I said already she was the main woman the public knew - that RS Cover did a lot for Prince back in the day and like it or not she was big part of it .I was just stating that for those who come after it needs to be noted. It may matter as his story is being researched and retold year, centuries to come.Yes it was romantic in the 80s and I am not embellishing or giving my opinion on the pros and cons of that.


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Vashtix, I understand what you mean by they were constant. She was always in his life someway somehow. I was shocked when TOB revealed that they still saw each other off and on until 89. I agree that Vanity wasn't in a good place at that time due to her addiction. The last thing she needed was to continue a romantic relationship with Prince. But to be honest I was mostly surprised by Prince. I was stunned that he would still try to be in a romantic relationship with her while she was going through such devastating drug addiction. That type of addiction isn't pretty. I replied that I thought it was sad when TOB first posted the information because I thought it was a tremendous indication of how hard it was for the both of them to break the ties with each other even through all that gore. It's sad to me because they had to have known that it was unhealthy for them to be together that way but yet they still forced a connection. I think because they both still wanted that "constant" with each other, even knowing it was bad for them.
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I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #342 posted 08/20/17 4:23pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

luvgirl said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That is not disputed.
And I don't see the lyrics as volatile.
I always saw it as complicated, like a lot of relationship can be

especially if there may be broken trust.

A lot of women could say that about Prince.
hell some of the men in the bands could say some of that stuff too.

The song lyrics categorizes the lack of trust and understanding towards a woman he was in a relationship with, who he obviously thought was sleeping around on him, identifying the reason why he still didn't want to leave her.

*

True love before sex U just can't relate

*

Saying that U love me, it don't do no good,

U want me 2 trust U, I wish that I could

U cannot build a house with plastic wood

*

I guess what it is is that I hate your ideas of fun (Oh yeah?) But baby I rate your ass number one

*

I don't usually have time 4 babes with no class, but I can always find time 4 your ass

*

U try to fu*k for love... (This sure looks volatile to me..)

Yes, like a lot of relationships.

Again those lyrics could be also directed at Prince

If you look at them, he makes it seems as if it was Vanity that was unfaithful and trying to convince Prince to trust her.

Did he say she had no class?

"U try 2 fuck 4 love" (that is not volatile) that is what a lot of women do, they think by giving sex to a man he will love her in return. This is age old M/F stuff. Girls give it up to a boy they like hoping he will love her.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #343 posted 08/20/17 4:37pm

luvgirl

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



luvgirl said:


 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 


 


That is not disputed.  
And I don't see the lyrics as volatile.
I always saw it as complicated, like a lot of relationship can be


especially if there may be broken trust.


A lot of women could say that about Prince.
hell some of the men in the bands could say some of that stuff too.


 


 



 


The song lyrics categorizes the lack of trust and understanding towards a woman he was in a relationship with, who he obviously thought was sleeping around on him, identifying the reason why he still didn't want to leave her.


 


*


 


True love before sex U just can't relate


 


*


 


Saying that U love me, it don't do no good,


U want me 2 trust U, I wish that I could 


U cannot build a house with plastic wood 


 


*


 


I guess what it is is that I hate your ideas of fun (Oh yeah?) But baby I rate your ass number one


 


*


 I don't usually have time 4 babes with no class, but I can always find time 4 your ass


 


*


  U try to fu*k for love...  (This sure looks volatile to me..)


 


  



 


Yes, like a lot of relationships. 

Again those lyrics could be also directed at Prince


 


If you look at them, he makes it seems as if it was Vanity that was unfaithful and trying to convince Prince to trust her.


 


Did he say she had no class?


 


"U try 2 fuck 4 love" (that is not volatile) that is what a lot of women do, they think by giving sex to a man he will love her in return. This is age old M/F stuff.  Girls give it up to a boy they like hoping he will love her.


 


 



lol I'm not buying it OF4S. Let's just agree to disagree. yes
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #344 posted 08/20/17 4:39pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Vashtix said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

When I talk about the 'romantic fantasy' I'm talking about the general notion of it, not you specifically. All this information coming in does revolve around a romance.

But you keep saying 'Vanity was the constant' that is fantasy. What does that even mean that she was constant? She was married, what twice? In her religious belief, any emotional attachments with a man that doesn't have to include sex is called adultery.

What do you mean by 'Constant'?

Because if it means what I think in general definition, he was also constant with Susannah & Sheila E through his whole life.

you said:My take is that since Prince and Vanity publicly had let one another go but cirlcled back around to seeing one another it means they had something more than a mere sexual high...

found something in one another their other mates did not have. The leading ladies Sheila E., Susannah, Robin Powers, Jill J., were not Vanity and her other guys were not Prince.

It was for them alone. The other women were Others- Nothing compared to one another.

It technically ended in 1984, not 83.

Well Susan Moonsie comes into it, because in post #303 you said: But the other women were after Vanity. Vanity was always there.

Which I corrected with Susan Moonsie and Prince dated before Vanity came into the scene, and continued a little while Prince & Vanity were dating(leading lady). And it was Susan Moonsie that made the conscious decision to end the romantic side of it.

When Doves Cry? Because Prince tended to play the victim in a lot of his songs. He was the one being left alone, or rejected, or cheated on. Susan Moonsie deciding to remove herself from the growing harem, can easily be seen by Prince as 'leaving me standing in a world alone. She represented a certain type of innocence(hence the 'edge of 17' image she was given) Prince early on would stay at her families house sometimes. She obviously represented some kind of stability ie family.

V, you don't have to reiterate that Vanity and Prince may have continued a fling after 84. I believe they did. I'm just not saying, I find nothing wonderfully loving about it. It was addiction mode. Vanity was in full blown addiction sadly. And Prince wasn't actually in the best places of life himself.
Remember, one of the reasons Vanity left Prince exclusively was that he played mind games with her-something she experienced with her family. And Prince was clearly seeing other women. So to go back to that kind of relationship (if this was any other regular woman) it would be seen as not healthy. In her state of being she was looking for fame and looking for love. Prince couldn't give her that.

They were cool, but I cannot sugar coat how internally this just wasn't a good thing for Vanity.
The fact that she was in such a dark place with Nikki Sixx in 1987, while still seeing Prince showed how it just wasn't good for her all around. Especially being a woman. in the 80s she was a functioning addict. On the surface Vanity had a very good career.

Again, I love Vanity ie Denise Matthews. I've said in some past threads, that if Prince had Vanit 6:Vanity Susan Brenda appear on stage with him, removing Shelby Liv Elise I would go crazy. I always knew they kept in touch, and I'm glad they did. But that was just friendship. She married twice, he married twice. Anything emotionally 'romantic' in their lives during those periods in 1995 would be considered adultery. And I don't want to see them that way. Even though Prince lived out differently than Denise after 1995.

In 1995, she said, "When I came to the Lord Jesus Christ, I threw out about 1,000 tapes of mine—interview, every tape, every video. Everything.

This has become a very intricate discussion biggrin

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I was simply saying since Vanity never went away in 1983 she was constant. The other women got fed up and left , relationships ended and new ones began. She and Prince remained. That is not belittling or discounting any of the women. This is not a competition. I just noted she was constant in that decade once they met. I did not quantify it as a good/bad thing. I really did not want to discuss that either. I am saying it needs to be respected that Prince and Vanity remained after 1983 and for whatever the reason did not quit each other.

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I appreciate your take on Susan Moonsie whom I really think is adorbs. heart I do have an issue with people treating Vanity like poop on the bottom of their shoes because she did not have that "good home" and Susan did. That is just the wrong to me. I do not think being blessed with a good home deems anyone more entitled to love and be loved than the person who was not born in that "good home" situation.

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Again I never said there was anything loving or wonderful, good or bad about Prince and Vanity seeing each other after 1983/84. I was just stating in the history of Prince that needs to be noted and not swept under the rug for anyone wanting to know the history of Prince. I mean as I said already she was the main woman the public knew - that RS Cover did a lot for Prince back in the day and like it or not she was big part of it .I was just stating that for those who come after it needs to be noted. It may matter as his story is being researched and retold year, centuries to come.Yes it was romantic in the 80s and I am not embellishing or giving my opinion on the pros and cons of that.

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But Vanity got fed up and left too, V.
She was not constant, constant would imply she was his 'steady' if 'leading lady'

and that wasn't the case. Sometimes in relationships after they end, there is a tapering off period.
Even couples who seperate-divorce have been know to have sex to a finality. That isn't a constant.

I wish she didn't have those demons to fight with, and I wish Prince was more stable. I did like those two together. If not for the romantic fantasy of Purple Music.

Well let's keep it real. I never heard anyone say Susan was 'good home' etc I said that. Please keep it in context of the conversation I said it in. Home is a sense of safety, pre fame safety. That has nothing to do with Vanity, nor Vanity being poop underneath someones boot.
And no where did I ever say it did not entitle someone to be loved. I don't know where U got that from? No one is entitled to be loved, but we all should be loved and need love. Vanity was passing thru 2 Stardom. Susan was not.

.

Well next time someone is dragging Vanity U let me know, I'll come join the debate

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #345 posted 08/20/17 6:43pm

luvgirl

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



Vashtix said:


 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 


 


 


When I talk about the 'romantic fantasy' I'm talking about the general notion of it, not you specifically.  All this information coming in does revolve around a romance.


 


 But you keep saying 'Vanity was the constant' that is fantasy. What does that even mean that she was constant?  She was married, what twice? In her religious belief, any emotional attachments with a man that doesn't have to include sex is called adultery.


What do you mean by 'Constant'?  


Because if it means what I think in general definition, he was also constant with Susannah & Sheila E through his whole life.


 


 


you said:My take is that since Prince and Vanity publicly had let one another go but cirlcled back around to seeing one another it means they had something more than a mere sexual high...


found something in one another their other mates did not have. The leading ladies Sheila E., Susannah, Robin Powers, Jill J., were not Vanity and her other guys were not Prince.


It was for them alone. The other women were Others- Nothing compared to one another.


 


 


 


It technically ended in 1984, not 83.


 


 


Well Susan Moonsie comes into it, because in post #303 you said: But the other women were after Vanity. Vanity was always there. 


 


Which I corrected with Susan Moonsie and Prince dated before Vanity came into the scene, and continued a little while Prince & Vanity were dating(leading lady). And it was Susan Moonsie that made the conscious decision to end the romantic side of it.  


 


When Doves Cry? Because Prince tended to play the victim in a lot of his songs.  He was the one being left alone, or rejected, or cheated on.  Susan Moonsie deciding to remove herself from the growing harem, can easily be seen by Prince as 'leaving me standing in a world alone.  She represented a certain type of innocence(hence the 'edge of 17' image she was given) Prince early on would stay at her families house sometimes.  She obviously represented some kind of stability ie family.  


 


V, you don't have to reiterate that Vanity and Prince may have continued a fling after 84. I believe they did. I'm just not saying, I find nothing wonderfully loving about it. It was addiction mode. Vanity was in full blown addiction sadly. And Prince wasn't actually in the best places of life himself.
Remember, one of the reasons Vanity left Prince exclusively was that he played mind games with her-something she experienced with her family. And Prince was clearly seeing other women.  So to go back to that kind of relationship (if this was any other regular woman) it would be seen as not healthy.  In her state of being she was looking for fame and looking for love.  Prince couldn't give her that.


 


They were cool, but I cannot sugar coat how internally this just wasn't a good thing for Vanity.
The fact that she was in such a dark place with Nikki Sixx in 1987, while still seeing Prince showed how it just wasn't good for her all around.  Especially being a woman.  in the 80s she was a functioning addict.  On the surface Vanity had a very good career. 


 


Again, I love Vanity ie Denise Matthews. I've said in some past threads, that if Prince had Vanit 6:Vanity Susan Brenda appear on stage with him, removing Shelby Liv Elise I would go crazy. I always knew they kept in touch, and I'm glad they did. But that was just friendship. She married twice, he married twice. Anything emotionally 'romantic' in their lives during those periods in 1995 would be considered adultery.  And I don't want to see them that way.  Even though Prince lived out differently than Denise after 1995.


 


 


 


In 1995, she said, "When I came to the Lord Jesus Christ, I threw out about 1,000 tapes of mine—interview, every tape, every video. Everything.



This has become a very intricate discussion biggrin


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I was simply saying since Vanity never went away in 1983 she was constant. The other women got fed up and left , relationships ended and new ones began. She and Prince remained. That is not belittling or discounting any of the women. This is not a competition. I just noted she was constant in that decade once they met. I did not quantify it as a good/bad thing. I really did not want to discuss that either. I am saying it needs to be respected that Prince and Vanity remained after 1983 and for whatever the reason did not quit each other. 


.


I appreciate your take on Susan Moonsie whom I really think is adorbs. heart I do  have an issue with people treating Vanity like poop on the bottom of their shoes because she did not have that "good home" and Susan did. That is just the wrong to me.  I do not think being blessed with a good home deems anyone more entitled to love and be loved than the person who was not born in that "good home" situation. 


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Again I never said there was anything loving or wonderful, good or bad about Prince and Vanity seeing each other after 1983/84. I was just stating in the history of Prince that needs to be noted and not swept under the rug for anyone wanting to know the history of Prince. I mean as I said already she was the main woman the public knew - that RS Cover did a lot for Prince back in the day and like it or not she was big part of it .I was just stating that for those who come after it needs to be noted. It may matter as his story is being researched and retold year, centuries to come.Yes it was romantic in the 80s and I am not embellishing or giving my opinion on the pros and cons of that.


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But Vanity got fed up and left too, V.
She was not constant, constant would imply she was his 'steady' if 'leading lady'


and that wasn't the case. Sometimes in relationships after they end, there is a tapering off period.
Even couples who seperate-divorce have been know to have sex to a finality. That isn't a constant.


 


I wish she didn't have those demons to fight with, and I wish Prince was more stable. I did like those two together.  If not for the romantic fantasy of Purple Music.


 


Well let's keep it real. I never heard anyone say Susan was 'good home' etc I said that. Please keep it in context of the conversation I said it in.  Home is a sense of safety, pre fame safety. That has nothing to do with Vanity, nor Vanity being poop underneath someones boot.
And no where did I ever say it did not entitle someone to be loved. I don't know where U got that from? No one is entitled to be loved, but we all should be loved and need love.  Vanity was passing thru 2 Stardom. Susan was not. 


.


Well next time someone is dragging Vanity U let me know, I'll come join the debate


 


 



I think Vashtix means constant as in continuing to see each other someway or another for years and years. I don't think her term was implying to leading lady status. They were both seeing other people at various times throughout the years, yet still hanging on to each other. That sure was a lot of tapering off in the history of tapering... It wasn't good for them, no, but they did what they did like it or not because they didn't want to break the connection between each other even though it was bad for them. Who knows, maybe that's what led his sister Sharon to say she thought Denise was the love of his life.
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I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #346 posted 08/20/17 6:55pm

purplefam99

Vashtix said:

 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 



Vashtix said:


 


 


Please check this- I AM NOT A FANTASY PERSON.  I know Prince and Vanity broke up. I appreciate if peeps reading this  understand I get that, believe that and note that. 


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I am not saying they were together 4 ever. My point is it has been said Vanity and Prince ended in 1983. I was stating that they did not end in 1983 but years later.


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I never said anything about Prince not circling back to any other women as we all know he was never a truly monogamous man. Please do not lump me into that camp. 


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As far as Susan Moonsie goes she stayed around til after Appolonia 6 . When Doves Cry speaks of someone leaving the other standing alone. She was there for years after.  I will never get that WDC connection. I am not understanding what she has to do with Vanity and Prince still seeing one another past 1983. Susan, Kim Upsher (who it was learned Prince remained close with til she died in 2015) were all part of his harem  in the early days. Love  Susan!!  she is still gorgeous to this day.  heart


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I am saying Prince and Vanity did not end in 1983 but continued into 1989. That means the writers saying Prince hated Vanity etc. was not true. They are not the authorities people make them out to be. Their facts are wrong and it also means that much of the lore from the 80s has been misrepped and their timelines wrong. I am  speaking that or posteriorty we need it right. It is not about who likes who or my girl is better than yours etc. It is about the fact that along with the other women at that time Vanity was still around, not banished into some drug induced alley even if she was doing coke and had Nikki Sixx,Billy Idol, and other men as Vanity owned up to having. It needs to be out and spoken of because she was a major person especially since Purple Rain had the romantic leads as Prince and Vanity.


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I do not know every name of every woman Prince was linked with but there was no real leading lady in my mind if he was still playing Rude Boy to Vanity's Nasty Girl/ The Kid to Apples/Vanity through the 80s decade. Sure they had a public tiff but  she was not the other woman to me-NOTE I said to me. I am not discounting any of the other women. 


I am not touching the 90s. Please note I am just talking 80s.


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 If any of the women he was seeing  had any inkling that Prince was still seeing Vanity I can see it being a troubling spot to then and now. Vanity and Prince hung out,  picked peeps up from the airpor and she was attending his concerts and he had that outfit made for her, the one posted from 1986. - they were getting on fine.


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This info needs to be noted, not for us, but for those after. There is more than the 1  scenario that we have been told over the years. This one needs to be included especially for those who learn about Prince years to come.  I will add since Purple Rain was such a mega movie and the female lead was Apples playing Vanity.  Vanity needs to stop being talked about as an afterthought,a sick coke head fiend, whore/harlot. She needs to be spoken of in the totality of who and what she was and respected as the other women at that time have been. Prince will be talked of for ages to come. I hope as time goes on and we are farther away from the transitions of Prince and Denise people will place personal biases aside and share real discussion and info. without fear of petty arguments.


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I am understanding now though why the need to not to validate Denise.  Prince and Denise had an understanding. Toban explains it in the other thread on this board. It was way more adult than most can handle esp. if there is need for a fairytale type.traditional romance. They were not traditionalists so it clearly worked for them and allowed it to continue past 1983. Just saying. 


I am not talking her health, his health physically/mentally or if it was a good thing to do. I am just saying what has been learned/discussed.  Again I never said they never broke up, I never said she was the love of his life, THAT IS NOT what I have said here at all so please do not accuse,attack, or make fun of me for those things. I know this is a touchy, volatile topic and I am not coming for any fanbase, or any person(s). There is no evil passive agressive intent or agenda here. I was just stating info in my opinion needs to be shared.



 


 


When I talk about the 'romantic fantasy' I'm talking about the general notion of it, not you specifically.  All this information coming in does revolve around a romance.


 


 But you keep saying 'Vanity was the constant' that is fantasy. What does that even mean that she was constant?  She was married, what twice? In her religious belief, any emotional attachments with a man that doesn't have to include sex is called adultery.


What do you mean by 'Constant'?  


Because if it means what I think in general definition, he was also constant with Susannah & Sheila E through his whole life.


 


 


you said:My take is that since Prince and Vanity publicly had let one another go but cirlcled back around to seeing one another it means they had something more than a mere sexual high...


found something in one another their other mates did not have. The leading ladies Sheila E., Susannah, Robin Powers, Jill J., were not Vanity and her other guys were not Prince.


It was for them alone. The other women were Others- Nothing compared to one another.


 


 


 


It technically ended in 1984, not 83.


 


 


Well Susan Moonsie comes into it, because in post #303 you said: But the other women were after Vanity. Vanity was always there. 


 


Which I corrected with Susan Moonsie and Prince dated before Vanity came into the scene, and continued a little while Prince & Vanity were dating(leading lady). And it was Susan Moonsie that made the conscious decision to end the romantic side of it.  


 


When Doves Cry? Because Prince tended to play the victim in a lot of his songs.  He was the one being left alone, or rejected, or cheated on.  Susan Moonsie deciding to remove herself from the growing harem, can easily be seen by Prince as 'leaving me standing in a world alone.  She represented a certain type of innocence(hence the 'edge of 17' image she was given) Prince early on would stay at her families house sometimes.  She obviously represented some kind of stability ie family.  


 


V, you don't have to reiterate that Vanity and Prince may have continued a fling after 84. I believe they did. I'm just not saying, I find nothing wonderfully loving about it. It was addiction mode. Vanity was in full blown addiction sadly. And Prince wasn't actually in the best places of life himself.
Remember, one of the reasons Vanity left Prince exclusively was that he played mind games with her-something she experienced with her family. And Prince was clearly seeing other women.  So to go back to that kind of relationship (if this was any other regular woman) it would be seen as not healthy.  In her state of being she was looking for fame and looking for love.  Prince couldn't give her that.


 


They were cool, but I cannot sugar coat how internally this just wasn't a good thing for Vanity.
The fact that she was in such a dark place with Nikki Sixx in 1987, while still seeing Prince showed how it just wasn't good for her all around.  Especially being a woman.  in the 80s she was a functioning addict.  On the surface Vanity had a very good career. 


 


Again, I love Vanity ie Denise Matthews. I've said in some past threads, that if Prince had Vanit 6:Vanity Susan Brenda appear on stage with him, removing Shelby Liv Elise I would go crazy. I always knew they kept in touch, and I'm glad they did. But that was just friendship. She married twice, he married twice. Anything emotionally 'romantic' in their lives during those periods in 1995 would be considered adultery.  And I don't want to see them that way.  Even though Prince lived out differently than Denise after 1995.


 


 


 


In 1995, she said, "When I came to the Lord Jesus Christ, I threw out about 1,000 tapes of mine—interview, every tape, every video. Everything.



This has become a very intricate discussion biggrin


.


 


I respect Denise Matthews as an Evangelist and I as I said in my earlier post I was only speaking of the


80s NOT the 90s. Again,  I am honestly only speaking of Vanity in the 80s. They are 2 very different people and did different things. I respect an admire the woman Denise fought with blood, tears, and prayers an amazing faith to become. She really has been a real inspiration and I do not want to even try to touch the 90s. 


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I was simply saying since Vanity never went away in 1983 she was constant. The other women got fed up and left , relationships ended and new ones began. She and Prince remained. That is not belittling or discounting any of the women. This is not a competition. I just noted she was constant in that decade once they met. I did not quantify it as a good/bad thing. I really did not want to discuss that either. I am saying it needs to be respected that Prince and Vanity remained after 1983 and for whatever the reason did not quit each other. 


.


I appreciate your take on Susan Moonsie whom I really think is adorbs. heart I do  have an issue with people treating Vanity like poop on the bottom of their shoes because she did not have that "good home" and Susan did. That is just the wrong to me.  I do not think being blessed with a good home deems anyone more entitled to love and be loved than the person who was not born in that "good home" situation. 


.


Again I never said there was anything loving or wonderful, good or bad about Prince and Vanity seeing each other after 1983/84. I was just stating in the history of Prince that needs to be noted and not swept under the rug for anyone wanting to know the history of Prince. I mean as I said already she was the main woman the public knew - that RS Cover did a lot for Prince back in the day and like it or not she was big part of it .I was just stating that for those who come after it needs to be noted. It may matter as his story is being researched and retold year, centuries to come.Yes it was romantic in the 80s and I am not embellishing or giving my opinion on the pros and cons of that.


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[Edited 8/20/17 11:47am]



All very well said Vashtix. And I would agree that in the retelling it does seem
Like Vanity/Denise's history in this story goes unsung. And I think it is important to not let that happen. To not understate her role and place in the history of Prince, let alone her own personal history.
Reply #347 posted 08/20/17 7:07pm

purplefam99

luvgirl said:

Vashtix said:

 



OldFriends4Sale said:



Oldfriends4sale said: When I talk about the 'romantic fantasy' I'm talking about the general notion of it, not you specifically.  All this information coming in does revolve around a romance.


 


 But you keep saying 'Vanity was the constant' that is fantasy. What does that even mean that she was constant?  She was married, what twice? In her religious belief, any emotional attachments with a man that doesn't have to include sex is called adultery.


What do you mean by 'Constant'?  


Because if it means what I think in general definition, he was also constant with Susannah & Sheila E through his whole life.


 


 


you said:My take is that since Prince and Vanity publicly had let one another go but cirlcled back around to seeing one another it means they had something more than a mere sexual high...


found something in one another their other mates did not have. The leading ladies Sheila E., Susannah, Robin Powers, Jill J., were not Vanity and her other guys were not Prince.


It was for them alone. The other women were Others- Nothing compared to one another.


 


 


 


It technically ended in 1984, not 83.


 


 


Well Susan Moonsie comes into it, because in post #303 you said: But the other women were after Vanity. Vanity was always there. 


 


Which I corrected with Susan Moonsie and Prince dated before Vanity came into the scene, and continued a little while Prince & Vanity were dating(leading lady). And it was Susan Moonsie that made the conscious decision to end the romantic side of it.  


 


When Doves Cry? Because Prince tended to play the victim in a lot of his songs.  He was the one being left alone, or rejected, or cheated on.  Susan Moonsie deciding to remove herself from the growing harem, can easily be seen by Prince as 'leaving me standing in a world alone.  She represented a certain type of innocence(hence the 'edge of 17' image she was given) Prince early on would stay at her families house sometimes.  She obviously represented some kind of stability ie family.  


 


V, you don't have to reiterate that Vanity and Prince may have continued a fling after 84. I believe they did. I'm just not saying, I find nothing wonderfully loving about it. It was addiction mode. Vanity was in full blown addiction sadly. And Prince wasn't actually in the best places of life himself.
Remember, one of the reasons Vanity left Prince exclusively was that he played mind games with her-something she experienced with her family. And Prince was clearly seeing other women.  So to go back to that kind of relationship (if this was any other regular woman) it would be seen as not healthy.  In her state of being she was looking for fame and looking for love.  Prince couldn't give her that.


 


They were cool, but I cannot sugar coat how internally this just wasn't a good thing for Vanity.
The fact that she was in such a dark place with Nikki Sixx in 1987, while still seeing Prince showed how it just wasn't good for her all around.  Especially being a woman.  in the 80s she was a functioning addict.  On the surface Vanity had a very good career. 


 


Again, I love Vanity ie Denise Matthews. I've said in some past threads, that if Prince had Vanit 6:Vanity Susan Brenda appear on stage with him, removing Shelby Liv Elise I would go crazy. I always knew they kept in touch, and I'm glad they did. But that was just friendship. She married twice, he married twice. Anything emotionally 'romantic' in their lives during those periods in 1995 would be considered adultery.  And I don't want to see them that way.  Even though Prince lived out differently than Denise after 1995.


 


 


 


In 1995, she said, "When I came to the Lord Jesus Christ, I threw out about 1,000 tapes of mine—interview, every tape, every video. Everything.



This has become a very intricate discussion biggrin


.


 


I respect Denise Matthews as an Evangelist and I as I said in my earlier post I was only speaking of the


80s NOT the 90s. Again,  I am honestly only speaking of Vanity in the 80s. They are 2 very different people and did different things. I respect an admire the woman Denise fought with blood, tears, and prayers an amazing faith to become. She really has been a real inspiration and I do not want to even try to touch the 90s. 


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I was simply saying since Vanity never went away in 1983 she was constant. The other women got fed up and left , relationships ended and new ones began. She and Prince remained. That is not belittling or discounting any of the women. This is not a competition. I just noted she was constant in that decade once they met. I did not quantify it as a good/bad thing. I really did not want to discuss that either. I am saying it needs to be respected that Prince and Vanity remained after 1983 and for whatever the reason did not quit each other. 


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I appreciate your take on Susan Moonsie whom I really think is adorbs. heart I do  have an issue with people treating Vanity like poop on the bottom of their shoes because she did not have that "good home" and Susan did. That is just the wrong to me.  I do not think being blessed with a good home deems anyone more entitled to love and be loved than the person who was not born in that "good home" situation. 


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Again I never said there was anything loving or wonderful, good or bad about Prince and Vanity seeing each other after 1983/84. I was just stating in the history of Prince that needs to be noted and not swept under the rug for anyone wanting to know the history of Prince. I mean as I said already she was the main woman the public knew - that RS Cover did a lot for Prince back in the day and like it or not she was big part of it .I was just stating that for those who come after it needs to be noted. It may matter as his story is being researched and retold year, centuries to come.Yes it was romantic in the 80s and I am not embellishing or giving my opinion on the pros and cons of that.


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[Edited 8/20/17 11:47am]



Vashtix, I understand what you mean by they were constant. She was always in his life someway somehow. I was shocked when TOB revealed that they still saw each other off and on until 89. I agree that Vanity wasn't in a good place at that time due to her addiction. The last thing she needed was to continue a romantic relationship with Prince. But to be honest I was mostly surprised by Prince. I was stunned that he would still try to be in a romantic relationship with her while she was going through such devastating drug addiction. That type of addiction isn't pretty. I replied that I thought it was sad when TOB first posted the information because I thought it was a tremendous indication of how hard it was for the both of them to break the ties with each other even through all that gore. It's sad to me because they had to have known that it was unhealthy for them to be together that way but yet they still forced a connection. I think because they both still wanted that "constant" you talk about, even knowing it was bad for them.
[Edited 8/20/17 18:31pm]


I ache to bring it up but isn't there an unreleased song by prince called
Cold coffee and cocaine. I ran into on google. But her drug use isn't a secret.
But it does make me fear that their initial coupling was not a good recipe. But it seems that they did end up in a stronger healthier place with each other after walking thru fire.
[Edited 8/20/17 19:13pm]
Reply #348 posted 08/20/17 7:15pm

purplefam99

That was a good discussion and a good read thanks to you all for hashing it out!!
Reply #349 posted 08/20/17 7:18pm

luvgirl

purplefam99 said:

luvgirl said:



Vashtix, I understand what you mean by they were constant. She was always in his life someway somehow. I was shocked when TOB revealed that they still saw each other off and on until 89. I agree that Vanity wasn't in a good place at that time due to her addiction. The last thing she needed was to continue a romantic relationship with Prince. But to be honest I was mostly surprised by Prince. I was stunned that he would still try to be in a romantic relationship with her while she was going through such devastating drug addiction. That type of addiction isn't pretty. I replied that I thought it was sad when TOB first posted the information because I thought it was a tremendous indication of how hard it was for the both of them to break the ties with each other even through all that gore. It's sad to me because they had to have known that it was unhealthy for them to be together that way but yet they still forced a connection. I think because they both still wanted that "constant" you talk about, even knowing it was bad for them.
[Edited 8/20/17 18:31pm]


I ache to bring it up but isn't there an unreleased song by prince called
Cold coffee and cocaine. I ran into on google. But her drug use isn't a secret.
But it does make me fear that their initial coupling was not a good recipe. But it seems that they did end up in a stronger healthier place with each other after walking thru fire.
[Edited 8/20/17 19:13pm]


Well, in the song Cold Coffee and Cocaine he swore he wasn't gonna see that girl anymore. He sure didn't stop seeing Vanity...
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #350 posted 08/20/17 7:20pm

purplefam99

Do you think the reason for the lasting connection between he and Denise and shelia e could be because there wasn't a huge age gap between them. I think in many ways that leveled the field between him/them. Thoughts on that?
Reply #351 posted 08/20/17 7:24pm

purplefam99

luvgirl said:

purplefam99 said:



I ache to bring it up but isn't there an unreleased song by prince called
Cold coffee and cocaine. I ran into on google. But her drug use isn't a secret.
But it does make me fear that their initial coupling was not a good recipe. But it seems that they did end up in a stronger healthier place with each other after walking thru fire.
[Edited 8/20/17 19:13pm]


Well, in the song Cold Coffee and Cocaine he swore he wasn't gonna see that girl anymore. He sure didn't stop seeing Vanity...



Nope he sure didn't. He couldn't i don't think. She was too scrumptious!!!
Reply #352 posted 08/20/17 7:43pm

luvgirl

purplefam99 said:

That was a good discussion and a good read thanks to you all for hashing it out!!


You're so sweet purplefam99. biggrin
I know people speak with authority here like they followed Prince and Vanity around using his famous purple notebook to document their lives, but apart from a few things mentioned here, a lot of the info posted about Denise and Prince in this thread comes from personal opinions, hearsay, and unauthorized books, so take everything with a grain of salt and just know that info could change at any given moment. Just like we recently found out that Prince and Vanity were still seeing each other up until 89 when we thought it was over in 83.
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I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #353 posted 08/20/17 8:00pm

PennyPurple

luvgirl said:

PennyPurple said:

So your complaint is the year 1984?? Is that what is throwing you off?? 1 year?

Maybe you don't care about correct info, but I do. A difference between me and you. [Edited 8/20/17 16:14pm]

rolleyes Oh brother, feed us some more BS. lol

Reply #354 posted 08/20/17 8:01pm

purplefam99

luvgirl said:

purplefam99 said:

That was a good discussion and a good read thanks to you all for hashing it out!!


You're so sweet purplefam99. biggrin
I know people speak with authority here like they followed Prince and Vanity around using his famous purple notebook to document their lives, but apart from a few things mentioned here, a lot of the info posted about Denise and Prince in this thread comes from personal opinions, hearsay, and unauthorized books, so take everything with a grain of salt and just know that info could change at any given moment. Just like we recently found out that Prince and Vanity were still seeing each other up until 89 when we thought it was over in 83.
[Edited 8/20/17 19:49pm]



Likewise luvgirl!!

Yes i assume it is opinion and treat it as such. I appreciate when conversation
Is reciprical as was just the case up above. Agreement isn't always needed for the conversation to be productive. I think the last chuck of posts on this thread
Demonstrate that. Best! smile
Reply #355 posted 08/20/17 8:05pm

luvgirl

PennyPurple said:

 



luvgirl said:


PennyPurple said:

 


So your complaint is the year 1984?? Is that what is throwing you off?? 1 year?



Maybe you don't care about correct info, but I do. A difference between me and you. [Edited 8/20/17 16:14pm]

rolleyes Oh brother, feed us some more BS.  lol




Why did a post about me asking for a correct date trigger animosity from you?
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #356 posted 08/20/17 8:06pm

purplefam99

So is their ban from PP indefinite? I really hate Apples broke the rule.
I heard on the prince podcast a couple of workers got fired for something similar.
Guess Graceland co. Is strict with all the peeps!!
Reply #357 posted 08/20/17 8:15pm

PennyPurple

luvgirl said:

PennyPurple said:

rolleyes Oh brother, feed us some more BS. lol

Why did a post about me asking for a correct date trigger animosity from you?

Because unless any of us were there, none of us know the correct date. Even P's associates and people who are suppose to be experts can't even come up with the same story. We're not ever going to get the truth.

I've even heard where P & V might have went back as far as '81, before the award show even happened.

Reply #358 posted 08/20/17 8:27pm

luvgirl

PennyPurple said:

 



luvgirl said:


PennyPurple said:

 


rolleyes Oh brother, feed us some more BS.  lol



Why did a post about me asking for a correct date trigger animosity from you?

Because unless any of us were there, none of us know the correct date. Even P's associates and people who are suppose to be experts can't even come up with the same story. We're not ever going to get the truth.

I've even heard where P & V might have went back as far as '81, before the award show even happened. 



All we have to go by are the Prince associates and books. This is how we know what we know. I'm just a strictler for correct dates because when I debate something I like to come as close to the truth as much as possible. I think it's important to try to give out the correct information as much as you can.
I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #359 posted 08/20/17 8:27pm

purplefam99

PennyPurple said:

 



luvgirl said:


PennyPurple said:

 


rolleyes Oh brother, feed us some more BS.  lol



Why did a post about me asking for a correct date trigger animosity from you?

Because unless any of us were there, none of us know the correct date. Even P's associates and people who are suppose to be experts can't even come up with the same story. We're not ever going to get the truth.

I've even heard where P & V might have went back as far as '81, before the award show even happened. 



Yes that is what I understood from one of the books I read that the dates seems to indicate that their initial meeting might have as far back as 81. Was that in Alex's book?
Reply #360 posted 08/20/17 8:33pm

PennyPurple

I understand completely but it's difficult where P is concerned because everybody has a different story.

luvgirl said:

PennyPurple said:

Because unless any of us were there, none of us know the correct date. Even P's associates and people who are suppose to be experts can't even come up with the same story. We're not ever going to get the truth.

I've even heard where P & V might have went back as far as '81, before the award show even happened.

All we have to go by are the Prince associates and books. This is how we know what we know. I'm just a strictler for correct dates because when I debate something I like to come as close to the truth as much as possible. I think it's important to try to give out the correct information as much as you can.

Reply #361 posted 08/20/17 8:34pm

purplefam99

PennyPurple said:

 



luvgirl said:


PennyPurple said:

 


rolleyes Oh brother, feed us some more BS.  lol



Why did a post about me asking for a correct date trigger animosity from you?

Because unless any of us were there, none of us know the correct date. Even P's associates and people who are suppose to be experts can't even come up with the same story. We're not ever going to get the truth.

I've even heard where P & V might have went back as far as '81, before the award show even happened. 



Yes and also why, let's call them the Vanity historians, want the historical elements right!!! When history has had the unfortunate record of agregiously cutting people of color out of history it is unfortunately the righteous burden on befalf of all people to make sure we get in right in large and small regard. My feelings.
Reply #362 posted 08/20/17 8:35pm

PennyPurple

purplefam99 said:

PennyPurple said:

Because unless any of us were there, none of us know the correct date. Even P's associates and people who are suppose to be experts can't even come up with the same story. We're not ever going to get the truth.

I've even heard where P & V might have went back as far as '81, before the award show even happened.

Yes that is what I understood from one of the books I read that the dates seems to indicate that their initial meeting might have as far back as 81. Was that in Alex's book?

I've read so much, that I don't even remember where it came from. It could have came from Hahn, or maybe Toban. Some of Toban's threads have been deleted, but I think it was debated.

Reply #363 posted 08/20/17 8:41pm

purplefam99

PennyPurple said:

 



purplefam99 said:


PennyPurple said:

 


Because unless any of us were there, none of us know the correct date. Even P's associates and people who are suppose to be experts can't even come up with the same story. We're not ever going to get the truth.

I've even heard where P & V might have went back as far as '81, before the award show even happened. 



Yes that is what I understood from one of the books I read that the dates seems to indicate that their initial meeting might have as far back as 81. Was that in Alex's book?

I've read so much, that I don't even remember where it came from. It could have came from Hahn, or maybe Toban. Some of Toban's threads have been deleted, but I think it was debated.



The threads being deleted does inhibit the larger record of information that has been spoken. The oral histories lost. These people are getting older as we all are. Why aren't they just archived instead of deleted?
Reply #364 posted 08/20/17 8:48pm

luvgirl

PennyPurple said:

I understand completely but it's difficult where P is concerned because everybody has a different story.

luvgirl said:

PennyPurple said: All we have to go by are the Prince associates and books. This is how we know what we know. I'm just a strictler for correct dates because when I debate something I like to come as close to the truth as much as possible. I think it's important to try to give out the correct information as much as you can.

Eh, I still need to know the dates from the people who were there. I don't think it's sensible logic to ignore the dates because I think they are gonna get it wrong anyway. If we didn't have some semblance of dates to go by, eventually nothing would make sense. Where would we begin? Dates are important man. Knowledge is power.

[Edited 8/20/17 20:54pm]

I just want you here, I just want you near me baby, cause I'm scared I'll cry, I love you like crazy.
~RIP~
Reply #365 posted 08/21/17 12:36am

Vashtix

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vashtix said:

This has become a very intricate discussion biggrin

.

I was simply saying since Vanity never went away in 1983 she was constant. The other women got fed up and left , relationships ended and new ones began. She and Prince remained. That is not belittling or discounting any of the women. This is not a competition. I just noted she was constant in that decade once they met. I did not quantify it as a good/bad thing. I really did not want to discuss that either. I am saying it needs to be respected that Prince and Vanity remained after 1983 and for whatever the reason did not quit each other.

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I appreciate your take on Susan Moonsie whom I really think is adorbs. heart I do have an issue with people treating Vanity like poop on the bottom of their shoes because she did not have that "good home" and Susan did. That is just the wrong to me. I do not think being blessed with a good home deems anyone more entitled to love and be loved than the person who was not born in that "good home" situation.

.

Again I never said there was anything loving or wonderful, good or bad about Prince and Vanity seeing each other after 1983/84. I was just stating in the history of Prince that needs to be noted and not swept under the rug for anyone wanting to know the history of Prince. I mean as I said already she was the main woman the public knew - that RS Cover did a lot for Prince back in the day and like it or not she was big part of it .I was just stating that for those who come after it needs to be noted. It may matter as his story is being researched and retold year, centuries to come.Yes it was romantic in the 80s and I am not embellishing or giving my opinion on the pros and cons of that.

[Edited 8/20/17 11:45am]

[Edited 8/20/17 11:47am]

But Vanity got fed up and left too, V.
She was not constant, constant would imply she was his 'steady' if 'leading lady'

and that wasn't the case. Sometimes in relationships after they end, there is a tapering off period.
Even couples who seperate-divorce have been know to have sex to a finality. That isn't a constant.

I wish she didn't have those demons to fight with, and I wish Prince was more stable. I did like those two together. If not for the romantic fantasy of Purple Music.

Well let's keep it real. I never heard anyone say Susan was 'good home' etc I said that. Please keep it in context of the conversation I said it in. Home is a sense of safety, pre fame safety. That has nothing to do with Vanity, nor Vanity being poop underneath someones boot.
And no where did I ever say it did not entitle someone to be loved. I don't know where U got that from? No one is entitled to be loved, but we all should be loved and need love. Vanity was passing thru 2 Stardom. Susan was not.

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Well next time someone is dragging Vanity U let me know, I'll come join the debate

I am loving this discussion biggrin

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You and I see constant differently; when I speak of constant I am simply speaking of the formal dictionary meaning.

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constant - something that continously occurs over a period of time.

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I was not defining it as level of a relationship. For me Vanity was constant because they kept it going continously over the years. I understand Prince had other relationships known and unknown that were also constant simultaneously as his with Vanity and afterward. I am only speaking about the one with Vanity in the 1980s. I am not speaking past 1989.

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I have read before about how wonderful Susan was due to her "good home". You are not alone with that sentiment. I appreciate you noting we all should be loved and need love. " Vanity was passing thru 2 stardom" but she did not pass on she remained and a friendship was established between her and Prince. I adore Susan so I am not going to touch rating her with Prince in juxtaposition to Vanity and Prince.

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There is always more than enough dragging on Vanity and Evangelist Matthews so I will holler at you next time I peep it. cool however all the protogees get a turn at being dragged here so , . . .

Reply #366 posted 08/21/17 6:27am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

luvgirl said:

PennyPurple said:

I understand completely but it's difficult where P is concerned because everybody has a different story.

Eh, I still need to know the dates from the people who were there. I don't think it's sensible logic to ignore the dates because I think they are gonna get it wrong anyway. If we didn't have some semblance of dates to go by, eventually nothing would make sense. Where would we begin? Dates are important man. Knowledge is power.

[Edited 8/20/17 20:54pm]

I think the dates are going to be hard, because people are trying to figure out when someone actually came into the Prince camp + When they actually started dating/seeing each other.

Some people assume both are the same.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #367 posted 08/21/17 6:28am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

PennyPurple said:

Because unless any of us were there, none of us know the correct date. Even P's associates and people who are suppose to be experts can't even come up with the same story. We're not ever going to get the truth.

I've even heard where P & V might have went back as far as '81, before the award show even happened.

Yes and also why, let's call them the Vanity historians, want the historical elements right!!! When history has had the unfortunate record of agregiously cutting people of color out of history it is unfortunately the righteous burden on befalf of all people to make sure we get in right in large and small regard. My feelings.

Have U noticed that these arguements debates and questions of information 99% of the time are never about Prince + (Male)proteges?

But I think there are a few things to be attributed.
The times of the 80s a LOT happened, but there isn't a lot of available record.
Most likely because of the technology of the time. I also think, in a good way, what it would have been like if we had cell phones or computer access the way we do now. A lot would been easily recorded and available for research.
I used to work a public library. And books magazines and newspaper clippings was the way.
Then the storage of this stuff as more an more was added.

Also knowledge of certain times people and events are easily forgotten. In general.
For example I remember this cartoon growing up, that revolved around rabbits. It was kind of adult, in that the subject was not Bugs Bunny but like the story of a few rabbits in a rural area.
And there was another cartoon, centered in Australia, in similar fashion, and revolved around a Kangaroos, and a mother Kangaroo and her Joey, and dingos. late 70s maybe into the early 80s I remember them playing these toons around the same time each year. But I cannot remember the season. I talked to my brothers about these, and 1 slitely remembers, the other it just evades him. But we watched these cartoon-movies every time they came on.
I have never been able to track the what/when/who of it.

I have always been big on gathering 'Prince' information. I think it is beyond just music like some artists. But it was a whole culture. And I think Prince's ever increasing push for privacy, did not help in building his legacy. He didn't seem to grasp the need of visual promotion. Now I will say, when it came to Vanity 6 the promotion was heavy. Vs the Time where it was very scarce. For every 1 photo of the Time live or studio, Vanity 6 has 10-15. Vanity 6 album-single covers were artistic colorful etc, the Time album-single covers were almost non existant.

There is a lot of stuff that happened with Prince in 1985 for live shows to private shows etc that were hardly recorded or known of. He just didn't see fit to publicize it much. But add onto that the 80s era of technology and it was easier to pass off into unknown land.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #368 posted 08/21/17 5:23pm

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



purplefam99 said:


PennyPurple said:

 


Because unless any of us were there, none of us know the correct date. Even P's associates and people who are suppose to be experts can't even come up with the same story. We're not ever going to get the truth.

I've even heard where P & V might have went back as far as '81, before the award show even happened. 



Yes and also why, let's call them the Vanity historians, want the historical elements right!!! When history has had the unfortunate record of agregiously cutting people of color out of history it is unfortunately the righteous burden on befalf of all people to make sure we get in right in large and small regard. My feelings.

 


 


Have U noticed that these arguements debates and questions of information 99% of the time are never about Prince + (Male)proteges?


 


But I think there are a few things to be attributed. 
The times of the 80s a LOT happened, but there isn't a lot of available record. 
Most likely because of the technology of the time. I also think, in a good way, what it would have been like if we had cell phones or computer access the way we do now. A lot would been easily recorded and available for research.
I used to work a public library.  And books magazines and newspaper clippings was the way.
Then the storage of this stuff as more an more was added.

Also knowledge of certain times people and events are easily forgotten. In general.
For example I remember this cartoon growing up, that revolved around rabbits. It was kind of adult, in that the subject was not Bugs Bunny but like the story of a few rabbits in a rural area.
And there was another cartoon, centered in Australia, in similar fashion, and revolved around a Kangaroos, and a mother Kangaroo and her Joey, and dingos. late 70s maybe into the early 80s I remember them playing these toons around the same time each year. But I cannot remember the season.  I talked to my brothers about these, and 1 slitely remembers, the other it just evades him. But we watched these cartoon-movies every time they came on.  
I have never been able to track the what/when/who of it.

I have always been big on gathering 'Prince' information. I think it is beyond just music like some artists. But it was a whole culture.  And I think Prince's ever increasing push for privacy, did not help in building his legacy.  He didn't seem to grasp the need of visual promotion.  Now I will say, when it came to Vanity 6 the promotion was heavy. Vs the Time where it was very scarce. For every 1 photo of the Time live or studio, Vanity 6 has 10-15. Vanity 6 album-single covers were artistic colorful etc, the Time album-single covers were almost non existant.


 


There is a lot of stuff that happened with Prince in 1985 for live shows to private shows etc that were hardly recorded or known of. He just didn't see fit to publicize it much.  But add onto that the 80s era of technology and it was easier to pass off into unknown land.


 


 


 


 


 


 



Very good point about the male protege bands, the discussions here hardly ever turn to why Prince kicked Alexander O'Neil to the curb in favor of Morris Day. But I will tell you Questlove has a podcast available on Pandora where he interviews Jimmy Jam from the Time and it is a GREAT interview it has 2 parts. I urge you to give it a listen it is so good and funny too! Especially the Alexander O'Neil bit when they are all at the pancake house.
Reply #369 posted 08/21/17 8:07pm

bondno9

purplefam99 said:

So is their ban from PP indefinite? I really hate Apples broke the rule. I heard on the prince podcast a couple of workers got fired for something similar. Guess Graceland co. Is strict with all the peeps!!

Whole thing is odd. I'm trying to figure out how Brenda got banned. I didn't know she was in MN at the time. She cetainly wasn't present at the PRNFamily Dance on Til Dawn Celebration afterparty at the Metropolitan Ballroom on the 22nd. There was live footage and JJ, Susan, and Apollonia were present. Sooo where was Brenda?

Reply #370 posted 08/21/17 8:31pm

purplefam99

bondno9 said:

 



purplefam99 said:


So is their ban from PP indefinite? I really hate Apples broke the rule. I heard on the prince podcast a couple of workers got fired for something similar. Guess Graceland co. Is strict with all the peeps!!

 


Whole thing is odd.  I'm trying to figure out how Brenda got banned.  I didn't know she was in MN at the time.  She cetainly wasn't present at the PRNFamily Dance on Til Dawn Celebration afterparty at the Metropolitan Ballroom on the 22nd.  There was live footage and JJ, Susan, and Apollonia were present.  Sooo where was Brenda? 




Good question. I was wondering why they were at the family event but hide nor hair at the celebration. And jill banned in the air!! On the anni of his death, that bites.
Reply #371 posted 08/22/17 5:28am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

bondno9 said:

Whole thing is odd. I'm trying to figure out how Brenda got banned. I didn't know she was in MN at the time. She cetainly wasn't present at the PRNFamily Dance on Til Dawn Celebration afterparty at the Metropolitan Ballroom on the 22nd. There was live footage and JJ, Susan, and Apollonia were present. Sooo where was Brenda?

Good question. I was wondering why they were at the family event but hide nor hair at the celebration. And jill banned in the air!! On the anni of his death, that bites.

I think 'we the fans' jump at any news as it is comes.
We all should just back off it unless we have facts of it.
It is weird.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #372 posted 08/22/17 5:50am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplefam99 said:

PennyPurple said: Yes and also why, let's call them the Vanity historians, want the historical elements right!!! When history has had the unfortunate record of agregiously cutting people of color out of history it is unfortunately the righteous burden on befalf of all people to make sure we get in right in large and small regard. My feelings.

Have U noticed that these arguements debates and questions of information 99% of the time are never about Prince + (Male)proteges?

But I think there are a few things to be attributed.
The times of the 80s a LOT happened, but there isn't a lot of available record.
Most likely because of the technology of the time. I also think, in a good way, what it would have been like if we had cell phones or computer access the way we do now. A lot would been easily recorded and available for research.
I used to work a public library. And books magazines and newspaper clippings was the way.
Then the storage of this stuff as more an more was added.

Also knowledge of certain times people and events are easily forgotten. In general.
For example I remember this cartoon growing up, that revolved around rabbits. It was kind of adult, in that the subject was not Bugs Bunny but like the story of a few rabbits in a rural area.
And there was another cartoon, centered in Australia, in similar fashion, and revolved around a Kangaroos, and a mother Kangaroo and her Joey, and dingos. late 70s maybe into the early 80s I remember them playing these toons around the same time each year. But I cannot remember the season. I talked to my brothers about these, and 1 slitely remembers, the other it just evades him. But we watched these cartoon-movies every time they came on.
I have never been able to track the what/when/who of it.

I have always been big on gathering 'Prince' information. I think it is beyond just music like some artists. But it was a whole culture. And I think Prince's ever increasing push for privacy, did not help in building his legacy. He didn't seem to grasp the need of visual promotion. Now I will say, when it came to Vanity 6 the promotion was heavy. Vs the Time where it was very scarce. For every 1 photo of the Time live or studio, Vanity 6 has 10-15. Vanity 6 album-single covers were artistic colorful etc, the Time album-single covers were almost non existant.

There is a lot of stuff that happened with Prince in 1985 for live shows to private shows etc that were hardly recorded or known of. He just didn't see fit to publicize it much. But add onto that the 80s era of technology and it was easier to pass off into unknown land.

Sigh, He was building a mystic about himself at the time. He was the Wizard behing the curtain. Also every aspect of his life was not public. As Jill said he had private realationships and public relationships.

Also Jimmy Jam and Morris Day have talked a bit about the old days especially Alexander O'Neal. It is on the Origial Seven Documentary which can be found on YOUTUBE.

Reply #373 posted 08/22/17 6:36am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Have U noticed that these arguements debates and questions of information 99% of the time are never about Prince + (Male)proteges?

But I think there are a few things to be attributed.
The times of the 80s a LOT happened, but there isn't a lot of available record.
Most likely because of the technology of the time. I also think, in a good way, what it would have been like if we had cell phones or computer access the way we do now. A lot would been easily recorded and available for research.
I used to work a public library. And books magazines and newspaper clippings was the way.
Then the storage of this stuff as more an more was added.

Also knowledge of certain times people and events are easily forgotten. In general.
For example I remember this cartoon growing up, that revolved around rabbits. It was kind of adult, in that the subject was not Bugs Bunny but like the story of a few rabbits in a rural area.
And there was another cartoon, centered in Australia, in similar fashion, and revolved around a Kangaroos, and a mother Kangaroo and her Joey, and dingos. late 70s maybe into the early 80s I remember them playing these toons around the same time each year. But I cannot remember the season. I talked to my brothers about these, and 1 slitely remembers, the other it just evades him. But we watched these cartoon-movies every time they came on.
I have never been able to track the what/when/who of it.

I have always been big on gathering 'Prince' information. I think it is beyond just music like some artists. But it was a whole culture. And I think Prince's ever increasing push for privacy, did not help in building his legacy. He didn't seem to grasp the need of visual promotion. Now I will say, when it came to Vanity 6 the promotion was heavy. Vs the Time where it was very scarce. For every 1 photo of the Time live or studio, Vanity 6 has 10-15. Vanity 6 album-single covers were artistic colorful etc, the Time album-single covers were almost non existant.

There is a lot of stuff that happened with Prince in 1985 for live shows to private shows etc that were hardly recorded or known of. He just didn't see fit to publicize it much. But add onto that the 80s era of technology and it was easier to pass off into unknown land.

Sigh, He was building a mystic about himself at the time. He was the Wizard behing the curtain. Also every aspect of his life was not public. As Jill said he had private realationships and public relationships.

Also Jimmy Jam and Morris Day have talked a bit about the old days especially Alexander O'Neal. It is on the Origial Seven Documentary which can be found on YOUTUBE.

What are U sighing about? I know all that. Nothing U said had anything to do with what I said or that the 80s were still a time when easy access to 'happening's and events' harder. Today, a lot of that stuff would be recorded more easily by fans and media because we have cell phones etc

As private as Prince tried to make things in the last 10 years, there is not 1 show or even I know of where someone did not get pictures, music, playlist etc

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #374 posted 08/22/17 6:59am

clairew1975

purplefam99 said:

bondno9 said:

Whole thing is odd. I'm trying to figure out how Brenda got banned. I didn't know she was in MN at the time. She cetainly wasn't present at the PRNFamily Dance on Til Dawn Celebration afterparty at the Metropolitan Ballroom on the 22nd. There was live footage and JJ, Susan, and Apollonia were present. Sooo where was Brenda?

Good question. I was wondering why they were at the family event but hide nor hair at the celebration. And jill banned in the air!! On the anni of his death, that bites.

Yes very good points. That got me scratching my head as well. What went down after JJ landed that she got banned.

Reply #375 posted 08/22/17 7:44am

laurarichardson

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Sigh, He was building a mystic about himself at the time. He was the Wizard behing the curtain. Also every aspect of his life was not public. As Jill said he had private realationships and public relationships.

Also Jimmy Jam and Morris Day have talked a bit about the old days especially Alexander O'Neal. It is on the Origial Seven Documentary which can be found on YOUTUBE.

What are U sighing about? I know all that. Nothing U said had anything to do with what I said or that the 80s were still a time when easy access to 'happening's and events' harder. Today, a lot of that stuff would be recorded more easily by fans and media because we have cell phones etc

As private as Prince tried to make things in the last 10 years, there is not 1 show or even I know of where someone did not get pictures, music, playlist etc

I am sighing over this nonsense.

"And I think Prince's ever increasing push for privacy, did not help in building his legacy. He didn't seem to grasp the need of visual promotion."

This is what my comment is referencing. Prince in the early years was not as visable as the associates because he was building a mystic. In the later years he was more accesiable. You should also realize that as a songwriter and producer he was trying to push the groups he was working and writing for as this brought in income for him.

I do not think he was trying to make things private in the last year for sole purpose of cutting people off it was to make profits. What sane person wants to give free viewing of their concerts without payment.? Those shows were his main income in the last years and there are very few pics of any of his private parties for celebs which is the way it should be.

Now there is some technolgy coming out that will shine an infrared light out to audiences and into movie theathers to stop people from filming movies. So Prince was not to far off the mark.


Reply #376 posted 08/22/17 2:46pm

luvsexy4all

i dont care much about these people...i care about his legacy

Reply #377 posted 08/22/17 3:29pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Have U noticed that these arguements debates and questions of information 99% of the time are never about Prince + (Male)proteges?

But I think there are a few things to be attributed.
The times of the 80s a LOT happened, but there isn't a lot of available record.
Most likely because of the technology of the time. I also think, in a good way, what it would have been like if we had cell phones or computer access the way we do now. A lot would been easily recorded and available for research.
I used to work a public library. And books magazines and newspaper clippings was the way.
Then the storage of this stuff as more an more was added.

Also knowledge of certain times people and events are easily forgotten. In general.
For example I remember this cartoon growing up, that revolved around rabbits. It was kind of adult, in that the subject was not Bugs Bunny but like the story of a few rabbits in a rural area.
And there was another cartoon, centered in Australia, in similar fashion, and revolved around a Kangaroos, and a mother Kangaroo and her Joey, and dingos. late 70s maybe into the early 80s I remember them playing these toons around the same time each year. But I cannot remember the season. I talked to my brothers about these, and 1 slitely remembers, the other it just evades him. But we watched these cartoon-movies every time they came on.
I have never been able to track the what/when/who of it.

I have always been big on gathering 'Prince' information. I think it is beyond just music like some artists. But it was a whole culture. And I think Prince's ever increasing push for privacy, did not help in building his legacy. He didn't seem to grasp the need of visual promotion. Now I will say, when it came to Vanity 6 the promotion was heavy. Vs the Time where it was very scarce. For every 1 photo of the Time live or studio, Vanity 6 has 10-15. Vanity 6 album-single covers were artistic colorful etc, the Time album-single covers were almost non existant.

There is a lot of stuff that happened with Prince in 1985 for live shows to private shows etc that were hardly recorded or known of. He just didn't see fit to publicize it much. But add onto that the 80s era of technology and it was easier to pass off into unknown land.

Very good point about the male protege bands, the discussions here hardly ever turn to why Prince kicked Alexander O'Neil to the curb in favor of Morris Day. But I will tell you Questlove has a podcast available on Pandora where he interviews Jimmy Jam from the Time and it is a GREAT interview it has 2 parts. I urge you to give it a listen it is so good and funny too! Especially the Alexander O'Neil bit when they are all at the pancake house.

thanks. I read and love reading/listening to the stuff from the O7 Time band

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #378 posted 08/24/17 8:08pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

luvgirl said:
Vashtix, I understand what you mean by they were constant. She was always in his life someway somehow. I was shocked when TOB revealed that they still saw each other off and on until 89. I agree that Vanity wasn't in a good place at that time due to her addiction. The last thing she needed was to continue a romantic relationship with Prince. But to be honest I was mostly surprised by Prince. I was stunned that he would still try to be in a romantic relationship with her while she was going through such devastating drug addiction. That type of addiction isn't pretty. I replied that I thought it was sad when TOB first posted the information because I thought it was a tremendous indication of how hard it was for the both of them to break the ties with each other even through all that gore. It's sad to me because they had to have known that it was unhealthy for them to be together that way but yet they still forced a connection. I think because they both still wanted that "constant" you talk about, even knowing it was bad for them. [Edited 8/20/17 18:31pm]
I ache to bring it up but isn't there an unreleased song by prince called Cold coffee and cocaine. I ran into on google. But her drug use isn't a secret. But it does make me fear that their initial coupling was not a good recipe. But it seems that they did end up in a stronger healthier place with each other after walking thru fire. [Edited 8/20/17 19:13pm]

Yep Cold Coffee & Cocaine 1983/84 outtake, it seems like it could have been a Time outtake

It also sounds like like it could be a background story song for 'the Father' in PR

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #379 posted 08/24/17 11:34pm

Asenath0607

PennyPurple said:

Good, as much bitching as Jill Jones and Apples have been doing, they can stay away. Evidently PP doesn't think that they are anything special either.

If PP doesn't think that they are anything special then maybe PP is in trouble. How

if i were to ever write down my life story,
i could truly say with all the fame and glory,
i was just a piece of clay in need of the potter’s hand,
’cause when you whispered in my ear
the words i so now understand
Reply #380 posted 08/25/17 12:39am

Asenath0607

clairew1975 said:

I have no idea how my original thread about the four ladies being banned from PP, has escalated into who wrote "wonderful ass"? Unless they got their asses out at PP and got banned (lol) this thread's gone off topic. {Sigh}

I was sitting here thinking the exact same thing and trying to figure out the rules of when, why and how certain threads get locked because they veer off topic and why some comments are deleted because they aren't on topic; but it's ok to discuss everything under the sun having nothing to do with the ladies being banned. go figure.

if i were to ever write down my life story,
i could truly say with all the fame and glory,
i was just a piece of clay in need of the potter’s hand,
’cause when you whispered in my ear
the words i so now understand
Reply #381 posted 08/25/17 1:02am

Asenath0607

Vashtix said:

PennyPurple said:

The other women were there before Vanity entered the picture, that would make Vanity the other woman.

But the other women were after Vanity. Vanity was always there. She and Prince never ended.Vanity was there before Susannah Devin D.,Robin Powers etc. Even if she came after she was not the other woman. They all were sharing one man. Unlike the others she was constant. Per new info from Toban it appears they never ended in the 80s. . The relationship evolved over decades to deep friendship. [Edited 8/19/17 16:27pm]

So wasn't Susan Moonsie there before Vanity? This is batshit crazy, in order for there to be "the other woman", the must be a "one main woman"; like someone else said, that wasn't the case it was a sea of revolving women.

Now back to the topic at hand... seems like a bad PR (public relations) move to ban these ladies from PP.

if i were to ever write down my life story,
i could truly say with all the fame and glory,
i was just a piece of clay in need of the potter’s hand,
’cause when you whispered in my ear
the words i so now understand
Reply #382 posted 08/25/17 1:12am

Asenath0607

purplefam99 said:

That was a good discussion and a good read thanks to you all for hashing it out!!

I respectfully disagree. It was not on topic and the discussion should have been moved to it's own thread beause it veered WAYYYYYY off topic of the OP it shut down any discussion of why Jill might be get banned from PP when she wasn't in the vicinity, why and what would be the real reason behind such a ban.

[Edited 8/25/17 1:16am]

if i were to ever write down my life story,
i could truly say with all the fame and glory,
i was just a piece of clay in need of the potter’s hand,
’cause when you whispered in my ear
the words i so now understand
Reply #383 posted 08/25/17 4:13am

Thewooh

Asenath0607 said:

 



PennyPurple said:


Good, as much bitching as Jill Jones and Apples have been doing, they can stay away. Evidently PP doesn't think that they are anything special either.



If PP doesn't think that they are anything special then maybe PP is in trouble.  How 



Seems like Miko was banned as well. Anyone knows why?
Reply #384 posted 08/25/17 5:42am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Thewooh said:

Asenath0607 said:

If PP doesn't think that they are anything special then maybe PP is in trouble. How

Seems like Miko was banned as well. Anyone knows why?

No one ever posted anything 'concrete' about Miko being banned.

I doubt we will get anything factual about Miko. Whether he is being 'Miko Miko' in his reply or what

I don't think he leaves Ibiza

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #385 posted 08/25/17 5:49am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

There are also an 'anti Mayte' conspiracists saying Mayte is banned from Paisley Park too

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #386 posted 08/25/17 6:22am

PennyPurple

Asenath0607 said:

PennyPurple said:

Good, as much bitching as Jill Jones and Apples have been doing, they can stay away. Evidently PP doesn't think that they are anything special either.

If PP doesn't think that they are anything special then maybe PP is in trouble. How

PP knows exactly what it is doing. Again, JJ is nothing special to PP and before Vanity died had not seen Prince for YEARS.


Everything PP is doing is not for these ladies, but for PRINCE. These ladies are trying to make it all about them. It isn't.

Reply #387 posted 08/26/17 3:10pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

luvgirl said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes, like a lot of relationships.

Again those lyrics could be also directed at Prince

If you look at them, he makes it seems as if it was Vanity that was unfaithful and trying to convince Prince to trust her.

Did he say she had no class?

"U try 2 fuck 4 love" (that is not volatile) that is what a lot of women do, they think by giving sex to a man he will love her in return. This is age old M/F stuff. Girls give it up to a boy they like hoping he will love her.

lol I'm not buying it OF4S. Let's just agree to disagree. yes

Well that is life.
More women need to buy it and understand, so they stop getting hurt

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #388 posted 08/26/17 3:15pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

I was trying to find the post that we discussed the Kirk/JJ angle to post this

Image may contain: one or more people and text

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #389 posted 08/26/17 3:23pm

SoulAlive

eek

Reply #390 posted 08/26/17 4:53pm

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


I was trying to find the post that we discussed the Kirk/JJ angle to post this


 


 


Image may contain: one or more people and text




Oh wow, that is def a possible angle.
Reply #391 posted 08/26/17 6:33pm

rogifan

Hey Jill 🖕🏻
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #392 posted 08/27/17 11:46am

clairew1975

Asenath0607 said:

 



clairew1975 said:


I have no idea how my original thread about the four ladies being banned from PP, has escalated into who wrote "wonderful ass"? Unless they got their asses out at PP and got banned (lol) this thread's gone off topic. {Sigh}

I was sitting here thinking the exact same thing and trying to figure out the rules of when, why and how certain threads get locked because they veer off topic and why some comments are deleted because they aren't on topic; but it's ok to discuss everything under the sun having nothing to do with the ladies being banned.  go figure.



I know right!! I started this thread and its gone SO off topic most of it has NOTHING to do with the original topic. Sigh!

Edited: I said three pages off "off topic" posts but realised nearly the whole thing is OFF topic!!
[Edited 8/27/17 11:54am]
Reply #393 posted 08/27/17 11:59am

clairew1975

Asenath0607 said:

 



purplefam99 said:


That was a good discussion and a good read thanks to you all for hashing it out!!

I respectfully disagree.  It was not on topic and the discussion should have been moved to it's own thread beause it veered WAYYYYY off topic of the OP it shut down any discussion of why Jill might be get banned from PP when she wasn't in the vicinity, why and what would be the real reason behind such a ban.

[Edited 8/25/17 1:16am]



I disagree as well! I started this thread and most of it has NOTHING to do with the original topic of discussion. Having to wade through pages of discussions about who wrote Wonderful Ass and Vanity is infuriating. There are other discussion boards for that.

Can we PLEASE get BACK ON TOPIC! Thank you.
Reply #394 posted 08/27/17 6:05pm

bondno9

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I was trying to find the post that we discussed the Kirk/JJ angle to post this

Image may contain: one or more people and text

Oh wow, that is def a possible angle.

I still think this was the main reason behind the "ban." Also interesting, how JJ basically threw Apollonia (her so called friend) under the bus by stating she was reason for the ban

Reply #395 posted 08/27/17 6:28pm

SoulAlive

OldFriends4Sale said:

I was trying to find the post that we discussed the Kirk/JJ angle to post this

Image may contain: one or more people and text

She seems like such a bitter,angry woman....smh

Reply #396 posted 08/28/17 11:04am

nelcp777

SoulAlive said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I was trying to find the post that we discussed the Kirk/JJ angle to post this

Image may contain: one or more people and text

She seems like such a bitter,angry woman....smh

I agree with your comment. She does seem bitter, but then I always got the vibe that she let's you know where you stand with her. Just a big 'ol cat fight.

Reply #397 posted 08/28/17 12:19pm

1Sasha

If Jill has an opinion, she'll tell you straight what it is. I think part of the issue is that these women know things, from the 80s era, and they may even know things about the recent past, although they got the information from people who had contact with Prince in the years before he died, so none of it is firsthand information. Prince compartmentalized people and I honestly don't think he had one person who knew everything about his personal life. KJ might have come closest, but he was still an employee.

Reply #398 posted 08/28/17 12:46pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

clairew1975 said:

Asenath0607 said:

I respectfully disagree. It was not on topic and the discussion should have been moved to it's own thread beause it veered WAYYYYYY off topic of the OP it shut down any discussion of why Jill might be get banned from PP when she wasn't in the vicinity, why and what would be the real reason behind such a ban.

[Edited 8/25/17 1:16am]

I disagree as well! I started this thread and most of it has NOTHING to do with the original topic of discussion. Having to wade through pages of discussions about who wrote Wonderful Ass and Vanity is infuriating. There are other discussion boards for that. Can we PLEASE get BACK ON TOPIC! Thank you.

The thread seemed to be on topic for about 9 pages.
That is pretty good for a 'speculation' thread

Because outside of what JJ post, everything else is speculation.
And if you read through in the last 3 pages the thread is still on topic

We are talking, you the op are not, jump in.
Do you have anything more than what JJ post.
I think we've exhausted what we know.

4 months later there is nothing else from that event

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #399 posted 08/28/17 2:23pm

clairew1975

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



clairew1975 said:


Asenath0607 said:

 


I respectfully disagree.  It was not on topic and the discussion should have been moved to it's own thread beause it veered WAYYYYY off topic of the OP it shut down any discussion of why Jill might be get banned from PP when she wasn't in the vicinity, why and what would be the real reason behind such a ban.


[Edited 8/25/17 1:16am]



I disagree as well! I started this thread and most of it has NOTHING to do with the original topic of discussion. Having to wade through pages of discussions about who wrote Wonderful Ass and Vanity is infuriating. There are other discussion boards for that. Can we PLEASE get BACK ON TOPIC! Thank you.

 


The thread seemed to be on topic for about 9 pages.
That is pretty good for a 'speculation' thread


Because outside of what JJ post, everything else is speculation.
And if you read through in the last 3 pages the thread is still on topic


We are talking, you the op are not, jump in.
Do you have anything more than what JJ post.
I think we've exhausted what we know.


4 months later there is nothing else from that event


 


 



I'll jump in as soon as anyone has something to add that's relevant to my thread. I think the speculation over who wrote Wonderful Ass is exhausted as well.
On both topics there doesn't seem to be a definite answer.
Reply #400 posted 08/28/17 4:31pm

NotACleverName

clairew1975 said:

Asenath0607 said:

 



purplefam99 said:


That was a good discussion and a good read thanks to you all for hashing it out!!

I respectfully disagree.  It was not on topic and the discussion should have been moved to it's own thread beause it veered WAYYYYY off topic of the OP it shut down any discussion of why Jill might be get banned from PP when she wasn't in the vicinity, why and what would be the real reason behind such a ban.

[Edited 8/25/17 1:16am]



I disagree as well! I started this thread and most of it has NOTHING to do with the original topic of discussion. Having to wade through pages of discussions about who wrote Wonderful Ass and Vanity is infuriating. There are other discussion boards for that.

Can we PLEASE get BACK ON TOPIC! Thank you.

I agree with you, clairew1975. I was enjoying the discussion on this thread and suddenly wondered how I ended up in the "Wonderful Ass" thread! The "Jill Jones Post" thread has also gone off topic....much like this one. It seems all threads lead to Vanity in this particular forum.
"Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann
Reply #401 posted 08/28/17 5:53pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

clairew1975 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

The thread seemed to be on topic for about 9 pages.
That is pretty good for a 'speculation' thread

Because outside of what JJ post, everything else is speculation.
And if you read through in the last 3 pages the thread is still on topic

We are talking, you the op are not, jump in.
Do you have anything more than what JJ post.
I think we've exhausted what we know.

4 months later there is nothing else from that event

I'll jump in as soon as anyone has something to add that's relevant to my thread. I think the speculation over who wrote Wonderful Ass is exhausted as well. On both topics there doesn't seem to be a definite answer.

Read post 388

Many of us are looking at the issues of JJ post and what happened.
Some tried to say the Revolution banned her, which doesn't make sense nor add up.

There is a whole train of posts about this. Then we are looking at Kirk, whom JJ has issue with and he is an 'employee' of PP, #388. So the thread is going as relevant as possible, with only JJ actual post to go on.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #402 posted 08/28/17 7:06pm

bondno9

OldFriends4Sale said:

clairew1975 said:

OldFriends4Sale said: I'll jump in as soon as anyone has something to add that's relevant to my thread. I think the speculation over who wrote Wonderful Ass is exhausted as well. On both topics there doesn't seem to be a definite answer.

Read post 388

Many of us are looking at the issues of JJ post and what happened.
Some tried to say the Revolution banned her, which doesn't make sense nor add up.

There is a whole train of posts about this. Then we are looking at Kirk, whom JJ has issue with and he is an 'employee' of PP, #388. So the thread is going as relevant as possible, with only JJ actual post to go on.

So, did someone put this whole "ban" thing out there on social media and JJ just basically fueled the flames by responding to it on Twitter and FB? She claims all this went down when she was still in the air, but how could it? The Rev performed at PP on the 21st. Her Instagram has photos from the 21st, but she's in MinniApple (walking around First Ave) with that Seth Nesbitt dude. No pics of her with Apollonia or Susan from the 21st. The Time performed next day, the 22nd. Sooo, again when did all the "drama" go down??? How could she have been banned when flying in late eve of the 20th? She was nowhere near PP, but obviously in MinniApple. I think she was told the morning of the 21st not to come to PP. Vice Versa, from Apollonia's IG page on the 21st she stated all of Prince's PR family was in his house celebrating him. Now maybe Apples took a photo on the 21st and then that's how she was banned. JJ gets banned on the 21st (due to REV, poss Kirk?) but Apollonia gets invited to PP, takes a photo and then she is banned (along with Susan and the invisible Brenda). Next day (22nd) JJ, Apollonia, Susan appear at the Dance Til Dawn Event but don't see The Time earlier that day because of the "ban".

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Reply #403 posted 08/28/17 7:38pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

bondno9 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Read post 388

Many of us are looking at the issues of JJ post and what happened.
Some tried to say the Revolution banned her, which doesn't make sense nor add up.

There is a whole train of posts about this. Then we are looking at Kirk, whom JJ has issue with and he is an 'employee' of PP, #388. So the thread is going as relevant as possible, with only JJ actual post to go on.

So, did someone put this whole "ban" thing out there on social media and JJ just basically fueled the flames by responding to it on Twitter and FB? She claims all this went down when she was still in the air, but how could it? The Rev performed at PP on the 21st. Her Instagram has photos from the 21st, but she's in MinniApple (walking around First Ave) with that Seth Nesbitt dude. No pics of her with Apollonia or Susan from the 21st. The Time performed next day, the 22nd. Sooo, again when did all the "drama" go down??? How could she have been banned when flying in late eve of the 20th? She was nowhere near PP, but obviously in MinniApple. I think she was told the morning of the 21st not to come to PP. Vice Versa, from Apollonia's IG page on the 21st she stated all of Prince's PR family was in his house celebrating him. Now maybe Apples took a photo on the 21st and then that's how she was banned. JJ gets banned on the 21st (due to REV, poss Kirk?) but Apollonia gets invited to PP, takes a photo and then she is banned (along with Susan and the invisible Brenda). Next day (22nd) JJ, Apollonia, Susan appear at the Dance Til Dawn Event but don't see The Time earlier that day because of the "ban".

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Clairew1975 said she 'read it on twitter' I don't know if it was Jills twitter or someone elses

Clairew1975 can you clarify?

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #404 posted 08/28/17 9:02pm

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



bondno9 said:


 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 


 


 


Read post 388


Many of us are looking at the issues of JJ post and what happened.
Some tried to say the Revolution banned her, which doesn't make sense nor add up.


There is a whole train of posts about this. Then we are looking at Kirk, whom JJ has issue with and he is an 'employee' of PP, #388.  So the thread is going as relevant as possible, with only JJ actual post to go on.


 


 



 


So, did someone put this whole "ban" thing out there on social media and JJ just basically fueled the flames by responding to it on Twitter and FB?  She claims all this went down when she was still in the air, but how could it?  The Rev performed at PP on the 21st.  Her Instagram has photos from the 21st, but she's in MinniApple (walking around First Ave) with that Seth Nesbitt dude. No pics of her with Apollonia or Susan from the 21st.  The Time performed next day, the 22nd.  Sooo, again when did all the "drama" go down???  How could she have been banned when flying in late eve of the 20th?  She was nowhere near PP, but obviously in MinniApple. I think she was told the morning of the 21st not to come to PP.  Vice Versa, from Apollonia's IG page on the 21st she stated all of Prince's PR family was in his house celebrating him.  Now maybe Apples took a photo on the 21st and then that's how she was banned.  JJ gets banned on the 21st (due to REV, poss Kirk?) but Apollonia gets invited to PP, takes a photo and then she is banned (along with Susan and the invisible Brenda). Next day (22nd) JJ, Apollonia, Susan appear at the Dance Til Dawn Event but don't see The Time earlier that day because of the "ban". 


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Clairew1975 said she 'read it on twitter' I don't know if it was Jills twitter or someone elses

Clairew1975 can you clarify?


 


 




Yes clairew1975 when you have a chance could you clarify. Thx
Reply #405 posted 08/29/17 12:53am

2045RadicalMattZ

laurarichardson said:

Rev said:

 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 



Rev said:


 


 


These associated artist seem to want to project their memories as "the truth".  Jill's mouth will not allow them to walk un challenged in their new purple safety bubble.


No wonder he broke up the Revolution. Jill wasn't the problem. Like Prince was going to take crap from Wendy after him and Susannah broke up. See ya.



 


R U even schooled on this history.
Prince remained friends with them throught his life and had them perform with him and offered input on their album and had them do some work on one his latter albums.


 


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Hi, I've been around since the 2nd album. I was speaking to his relationship(s) situation at the time. Not musically or friendships. Prince was talented at making women feel unique/special. I'm sure Wendy reporting back to Susannah was prohibitive to his game. Not the main reason for breaking up the band, but probably a nice benefit.


--Could be because Devin Devasquez said she went out to a couple of PR shows to meet Prince and that she saw Wendy and Lisa and wanted to be introduced but he refused to introduce her and she never met the band at all. She had Wally to escort her to Prince's hotel suite and she hung out with him.



Don't you mean he HUNG OUT with her? God that Devin Devasquez was a fiiiiine.....
"Damn Dolores, pick another subject, please...introduce the carpet to something other than your knees...."
Reply #406 posted 08/29/17 6:31am

clairew1975

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



bondno9 said:


 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 


 


 


Read post 388


Many of us are looking at the issues of JJ post and what happened.
Some tried to say the Revolution banned her, which doesn't make sense nor add up.


There is a whole train of posts about this. Then we are looking at Kirk, whom JJ has issue with and he is an 'employee' of PP, #388.  So the thread is going as relevant as possible, with only JJ actual post to go on.


 


 



 


So, did someone put this whole "ban" thing out there on social media and JJ just basically fueled the flames by responding to it on Twitter and FB?  She claims all this went down when she was still in the air, but how could it?  The Rev performed at PP on the 21st.  Her Instagram has photos from the 21st, but she's in MinniApple (walking around First Ave) with that Seth Nesbitt dude. No pics of her with Apollonia or Susan from the 21st.  The Time performed next day, the 22nd.  Sooo, again when did all the "drama" go down???  How could she have been banned when flying in late eve of the 20th?  She was nowhere near PP, but obviously in MinniApple. I think she was told the morning of the 21st not to come to PP.  Vice Versa, from Apollonia's IG page on the 21st she stated all of Prince's PR family was in his house celebrating him.  Now maybe Apples took a photo on the 21st and then that's how she was banned.  JJ gets banned on the 21st (due to REV, poss Kirk?) but Apollonia gets invited to PP, takes a photo and then she is banned (along with Susan and the invisible Brenda). Next day (22nd) JJ, Apollonia, Susan appear at the Dance Til Dawn Event but don't see The Time earlier that day because of the "ban". 


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Clairew1975 said she 'read it on twitter' I don't know if it was Jills twitter or someone elses

Clairew1975 can you clarify?


 


 




Yes clairew1975 when you have a chance could you clarify. Thx



Hi, I can clarify that I read it on Twitter from Jill Jones very own Twitter account. She was responding to tweets from people who were asking about the ban. She confirmed it was true.

My very first post has the Tweets from Jill Jones who was being asked about it. I don't know how to share links and Jill Jones has protected her Twitter account so only those already following her can read them.
Reply #407 posted 08/29/17 6:39am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

clairew1975 said:

purplefam99 said:
Yes clairew1975 when you have a chance could you clarify. Thx
Hi, I can clarify that I read it on Twitter from Jill Jones very own Twitter account. She was responding to tweets from people who were asking about the ban. She confirmed it was true. My very first post has the Tweets from Jill Jones who was being asked about it. I don't know how to share links and Jill Jones has protected her Twitter account so only those already following her can read them.

Thanks

So I wonder where did fans hear about this ban. Maybe they were at the even when it happened or something

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #408 posted 08/29/17 7:05am

clairew1975

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



clairew1975 said:


purplefam99 said:
Yes clairew1975 when you have a chance could you clarify. Thx

Hi, I can clarify that I read it on Twitter from Jill Jones very own Twitter account. She was responding to tweets from people who were asking about the ban. She confirmed it was true. My very first post has the Tweets from Jill Jones who was being asked about it. I don't know how to share links and Jill Jones has protected her Twitter account so only those already following her can read them.

 


 


Thanks


 


So I wonder where did fans hear about this ban.  Maybe they were at the even when it happened or something



I'm not very knowledgeable on how to post screenshots on here so I'll add links. I hope it works.

So someone on Twitter tweeted and tagged Jill into their tweet:

https://twitter.com/rhonnybay/status/897071398367227904

The original tweet mentioned Jill and Apples being banned.


Jill responded and said it was "four women"


https://twitter.com/jilldjones/status/897117234832613382

And then confirmed it was her, Apples, Brenda and Susan.

https://twitter.com/jilldjones/status/897118116454449152

Jill says she was not there when Apples took the tour of the museum (she was on a flight) but her security told her she was banned when she arrived. Jill didn't go into details of why she was banned.

Apples taking a picture in the museum is only confirmed reason.
Reply #409 posted 08/29/17 7:07am

purplefam99

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



clairew1975 said:


purplefam99 said:
Yes clairew1975 when you have a chance could you clarify. Thx

Hi, I can clarify that I read it on Twitter from Jill Jones very own Twitter account. She was responding to tweets from people who were asking about the ban. She confirmed it was true. My very first post has the Tweets from Jill Jones who was being asked about it. I don't know how to share links and Jill Jones has protected her Twitter account so only those already following her can read them.

 


 


Thanks


 


So I wonder where did fans hear about this ban.  Maybe they were at the even when it happened or something




If they were there why so late asking about the ban, kinda odd to me.
Reply #410 posted 08/29/17 7:13am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Thanks

So I wonder where did fans hear about this ban. Maybe they were at the even when it happened or something

If they were there why so late asking about the ban, kinda odd to me.

Yeah a lot of weirdness in uptown, and people trying to keep stuff stirred up.

That show was April 2016

4 months later we(most of us) are just hearing about it

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #411 posted 08/29/17 7:30am

clairew1975

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



purplefam99 said:


OldFriends4Sale said:

 


 


 


Thanks


 


So I wonder where did fans hear about this ban.  Maybe they were at the even when it happened or something



If they were there why so late asking about the ban, kinda odd to me.

 


Yeah a lot of weirdness in uptown, and people trying to keep stuff stirred up.


 


That show was April 2016


4 months later we(most of us) are just hearing about it


 


 



Don't you mean April 2017?

Jill said the ban was this year so must have been during the first anniversary events at PP this year.

No idea how it got "leaked" but Militant said he knew about it at the time. Maybe he knows more info?
Reply #412 posted 08/29/17 7:43am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

clairew1975 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah a lot of weirdness in uptown, and people trying to keep stuff stirred up.

That show was April 2016

4 months later we(most of us) are just hearing about it

Don't you mean April 2017? Jill said the ban was this year so must have been during the first anniversary events at PP this year. No idea how it got "leaked" but Militant said he knew about it at the time. Maybe he knows more info?

right

I meant 2017

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #413 posted 08/29/17 1:07pm

CatB

OldFriends4Sale said:

clairew1975 said:

purplefam99 said: Hi, I can clarify that I read it on Twitter from Jill Jones very own Twitter account. She was responding to tweets from people who were asking about the ban. She confirmed it was true. My very first post has the Tweets from Jill Jones who was being asked about it. I don't know how to share links and Jill Jones has protected her Twitter account so only those already following her can read them.

Thanks

So I wonder where did fans hear about this ban. Maybe they were at the even when it happened or something




When this girl who worked at PP and was fired posted about it on her FB Jill commented that she and Susan and Apples were banned too. The girl deleted the post on the same day.

All this was before people started to discuss the ban here.







"Time is space spent with U"
Reply #414 posted 08/29/17 4:52pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

CatB said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Thanks

So I wonder where did fans hear about this ban. Maybe they were at the even when it happened or something




When this girl who worked at PP and was fired posted about it on her FB Jill commented that she and Susan and Apples were banned too. The girl deleted the post on the same day.

All this was before people started to discuss the ban here.







Oh ok

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #415 posted 09/03/17 3:25pm

laurarichardson

2045RadicalMattZ said:

laurarichardson said:


--Could be because Devin Devasquez said she went out to a couple of PR shows to meet Prince and that she saw Wendy and Lisa and wanted to be introduced but he refused to introduce her and she never met the band at all. She had Wally to escort her to Prince's hotel suite and she hung out with him.



Don't you mean he HUNG OUT with her? God that Devin Devasquez was a fiiiiine.....

--Well Wally took her to Prince's room so I guess I see her going to hang with him. She also got called to come and see him out on the road from time to time.
Reply #416 posted 09/06/17 4:34pm

sag10

laurarichardson said:

Militant said:

I actually heard about this right after it happened, but didn't want to say anything publically before the people involved did. 

It's very poor form. Hopefully Kirk can do something about this. 


 


 




--I love your faith in Kirk. It is hysterical.


RIGHT!!!
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Reply #417 posted 09/14/17 8:39pm

carmenme

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplefam99 said:

yes he loved mystique, what better way to encourage it.

Yes he did, and I believe it was partially why 'purple culture' was so addictive, and 30+yrs later

It needs to be a college elective course.

I have been told that courses are currently being formed referencing Prince in the varied content areas of higher education and high school as well. I believe there will be Master's thesis and PHD dissertations on Prince in a very few years if not sooner especially considering the conferences, lectures, forums, etc. that we have experienced since his death.

I am so excited to witness his impact on learning. Academically, the music world in particular has new fodder!

Reply #418 posted 09/17/17 5:50pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Here is Apollonia with Lisa Coleman and BrownMark after the April 2017 Celebration @ Paisley Park after one of the Revolution shows

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What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Reply #419 posted 09/24/17 7:44am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Jill Jones talked about what happened in a 'recent' (I don't know how recent) live feed that it was Paisley Park associates who were there from the 89/90 period that were involved. She's talked about her time in Paisley Park in 89/90 and how she did not like any of the new people and they branded her a bitch, and this has likely continued into why she was banned, and how she's spoken against what Paisley Park is doing.

Image may contain: 2 people, people smiling, people standing and indoor

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world

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