SoulAlive said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't think her albums after Prince were really good.
I did buy Sex Cymbal, but it lacked some kind of electricity...

the more latter albums like the one released a few years ago was really not good at all.

But this album I like. But it is an album of covers.

Sheila E is a great performer.

I agree,that last album 'Icon'...I really,really tried to like it,but I just wasn't impressed with most of it.

but unlike some of the other former Prince proteges,Sheila stays busy and tours constantly.She always finds a way to get some new music out.She's a hard worker.Gotta admire that

yes. I've always respected her.

Latin said:

Here is another new video Sheila E. has posted entitled "Sheila E. - Message 4 America": https://m.youtube.com/wat...vZxGUYHUSg

I''m sick of Sheila. I like the message but hate that our Flag is upside down. If she wants people to listen to her message then she needs to put that Flag right side up.

PennyPurple said:

Latin said:

Here is another new video Sheila E. has posted entitled "Sheila E. - Message 4 America": https://m.youtube.com/wat...vZxGUYHUSg

I''m sick of Sheila. I like the message but hate that our Flag is upside down. If she wants people to listen to her message then she needs to put that Flag right side up.

It is upside down because the country is upside down and backward right now. We all need to work togehter to get the flag and this country back in the right direction.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

I''m sick of Sheila. I like the message but hate that our Flag is upside down. If she wants people to listen to her message then she needs to put that Flag right side up.

It is upside down because the country is upside down and backward right now. We all need to work togehter to get the flag and this country back in the right direction.

Don't care. Our Flag should never be upside down. Maybe it should be the peace symbol that she needs to turn upside down, that way she doesn't disrespect our flag.

laurarichardson said:

EmmaMcG said:

I'll more than likely get her new album but I'll definitely be skipping this track. Very disappointing. Also, awful video.

This video is right on time with everything that is going on now. I am glad to see her taking a stand and this shows what you can do as a independent artist.

Get your music out on your own, make a statement and not ride someone else's coatails for the rest of your natural days left as a performer.

I love Sheila. Sadly, this album sounds like a soundtrack to a demonstration at a supper club. None of the spark and electricity of he live shows.

gingerwildwood said:

I love Sheila. Sadly, this album sounds like a soundtrack to a demonstration at a supper club. None of the spark and electricity of he live shows.

The record was recorded in a week. Cut it out.

laurarichardson said:

gingerwildwood said:

I love Sheila. Sadly, this album sounds like a soundtrack to a demonstration at a supper club. None of the spark and electricity of he live shows.

The record was recorded in a week. Cut it out.

Ginger doesn't have to cut it out....those days on this board is over.

PennyPurple said:

Don't care. Our Flag should never be upside down. Maybe it should be the peace symbol that she needs to turn upside down, that way she doesn't disrespect our flag.

How can a flag be disrespected? It's a piece of cloth. I don't worship fabric, so people can do whatever they want with it.

It's the flag of our Nation........

MickyDolenz said:

PennyPurple said:

Don't care. Our Flag should never be upside down. Maybe it should be the peace symbol that she needs to turn upside down, that way she doesn't disrespect our flag.

How can a flag be disrespected? It's a piece of cloth. I don't worship fabric, so people can do whatever they want with it.

MickyDolenz said:

Are you an American? If you are, this is a very sad statement by one of its citizens. It has nothing to do with the "cloth" it is made on and everything to do with what we, the people, as a Nation, strive for, hold dear, etc. Young men and women go into battle to preserve our rights and what this defining symbol represents to Americans and the freedoms we enjoy.

"The stripes represent the original 13 Colonies and the stars represent the 50 states of the Union. The colors of the flag are symbolic as well; red symbolizes hardiness and valor, white symbolizes purity and innocence, and blue represents vigilance, perseverance and justice."

http://www.pbs.org/a-capi...old-glory/
https://en.m.wikipedia.or...ted_States

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

The record was recorded in a week. Cut it out.

Ginger doesn't have to cut it out....those days on this board is over.

She could cut it and try being realistic. Mrs. E got people to actually pay to have to the CD made so someone likes it and as long as it is paid for and enjoyed by the people who paid for it that is all that really matters.

This is the exact thing Prince was doing for the last 20 years of his carreer. I also doubt he was a much a flag waver. JWs are not even suppose to say the Pledge of Allgeince

MickyDolenz said:

PennyPurple said:

Don't care. Our Flag should never be upside down. Maybe it should be the peace symbol that she needs to turn upside down, that way she doesn't disrespect our flag.

How can a flag be disrespected? It's a piece of cloth. I don't worship fabric, so people can do whatever they want with it.

Not true.

How it is hung, and where etc

It is what a flag represents.

PennyPurple said:

It's the flag of our Nation........

I don't care about anybody's flag. They're cloth and I don't care about countries and patriotism either. Countries & governments are things man made up, means nothing to me. They're ideas that people have killed, stole, and exploited people for during many centuries. The earth is land and water. Countries exist because people say they do, but they're artificial. If went go into space and looked down on the earth I see land masses, I don't see Montana or Liverpool or Australia.

NotACleverName said:

Are you an American? If you are, this is a very sad statement by one of its citizens. It has nothing to do with the "cloth" it is made on and everything to do with what we, the people, as a Nation, strive for, hold dear, etc. Young men and women go into battle to preserve our rights and what this defining symbol represents to Americans and the freedoms we enjoy. "The stripes represent the original 13 Colonies and the stars represent the 50 states of the Union. The colors of the flag are symbolic as well; red symbolizes hardiness and valor, white symbolizes purity and innocence, and blue represents vigilance, perseverance and justice." http://www.pbs.org/a-capi...old-glory/ https://en.m.wikipedia.or...ted_States

That's false. There is no difference in the stars & stripes and the Confederate flag. They represent the same thing. The founding fathers also wrote all men were created equal while owning slaves and stealing land from the native population. The US government also made the natives sign treaties that the government constantly broke. What exactly is "pure and innocent" about that?

MickyDolenz said:

PennyPurple said:

It's the flag of our Nation........

I don't care about anybody's flag. They're cloth and I don't care about countries and patriotism either. Countries & governments are things man made up, means nothing to me. They're ideas that people have killed, stole, and exploited people for during many centuries. The earth is land and water. Countries exist because people say they do, but they're artificial. If went go into space and looked down on the earth I see land masses, I don't see Montana or Liverpool or Australia.

well go drag the flag throught street...

tell me what happens

OldFriends4Sale said:

MickyDolenz said:

I don't care about anybody's flag. They're cloth and I don't care about countries and patriotism either. Countries & governments are things man made up, means nothing to me. They're ideas that people have killed, stole, and exploited people for during many centuries. The earth is land and water. Countries exist because people say they do, but they're artificial. If went go into space and looked down on the earth I see land masses, I don't see Montana or Liverpool or Australia.

well go drag the flag throught street...

tell me what happens

OldFriends4Sale said:

well go drag the flag throught street...

tell me what happens

Be a non-white person in the US minding their own business in certain neigborhoods and see what happens to them. Some people in the US attack women wearing hijabs, yet your concern is a piece of cloth. Be a black person in the US and see what happens. I don't have to drag something through a street to not believe in it. I don't believe in eating meat but I don't go around like PETA throwing paint on people. What someone else does has nothing to do with me. I follow my own path, not what a bunch of other people are doing. Hitler had a flag and so does North Korea, do you respect them? If people respect one flag, then they should respect them all.

MickyDolenz said:

I don't see it that way. The confederate flag represents a divided America and the American flag represents a united America. That is my view. I also realize the atrocities of the past. The only thing I can do at this point is not repeat them. Or encourage them. Or glorify them. However, I refuse to carry around some misdirected anger or bitterness about them. They are a part of history, albeit shameful and dishonorable (there is action to right the wrongs against Native Americans by the government in the form of monetary compensation...hey, who says money can't buy happiness?!). I see the flag as a symbol of what we can be. The hope of that.

To add, lucky us, thanks to the 1st Amendment of the Constitution, we can have this discussion. There are citizens in other countries denied this very thing. So, it's not all bad.

MickyDolenz said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

well go drag the flag throught street...

tell me what happens

Be a non-white person in the US minding their own business in certain neigborhoods and see what happens to them. Some people in the US attack women wearing hijabs, yet your concern is a piece of cloth. Be a black person in the US and see what happens. I don't have to drag something through a street to not believe in it. I don't believe in eating meat but I don't go around like PETA throwing paint on people. What someone else does has nothing to do with me. I follow my own path, not what a bunch of other people are doing. Hitler had a flag and so does North Korea, do you respect them? If people respect one flag, then they should respect them all.

Stay on topic. We are talking about the American flag.

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take a flag and drag it through D.C. or New York City or Philly

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A few years ago in Poughkeepsie NY firemen attached huge America flags to their engines.
I believe they were a part of the 911 situation. And they were told they could not wave the flags on the back of their engines like that. Two reason, the exhaust was making them dirty and the size was impeading traffic.
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There are was to display the flag, ways not to etc
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Of course people can wear the design as a bandana, underwear, backback, tie, dress etc
But there is a general respect for what the flag represents which is the United States of America

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And stop assuming you know people ethnicities and life background.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Stay on topic. We are talking about the American flag.

I am on topic. Flags are flags, like gang symbols. One country's flag is bloods (red) and another is crips (blue). That is all. If you're into gangs, so be it. You're basically saying that if I drag or burn a US flag, then I will be attacked or killed. Sounds like what a gang does to me. So you put more importance on a flag than a person. That doesn't make any sense to me. I don't have to respect gangs or their symbols. If you respect the US flag and not the flag of another country then that's being a hypocrite. I don't care about any country or flag, so I'm not being selective. That's all I have to say about this. Have a nice day.

laurarichardson said:

@Bolded part...Exactly.

OldFriends4Sale said:

MickyDolenz said:

Be a non-white person in the US minding their own business in certain neigborhoods and see what happens to them. Some people in the US attack women wearing hijabs, yet your concern is a piece of cloth. Be a black person in the US and see what happens. I don't have to drag something through a street to not believe in it. I don't believe in eating meat but I don't go around like PETA throwing paint on people. What someone else does has nothing to do with me. I follow my own path, not what a bunch of other people are doing. Hitler had a flag and so does North Korea, do you respect them? If people respect one flag, then they should respect them all.

Stay on topic. We are talking about the American flag.

.

take a flag and drag it through D.C. or New York City or Philly

.

A few years ago in Poughkeepsie NY firemen attached huge America flags to their engines.
I believe they were a part of the 911 situation. And they were told they could not wave the flags on the back of their engines like that. Two reason, the exhaust was making them dirty and the size was impeading traffic.
.
There are was to display the flag, ways not to etc
.
Of course people can wear the design as a bandana, underwear, backback, tie, dress etc
But there is a general respect for what the flag represents which is the United States of America

.

And stop assuming you know people ethnicities and life background.

You can do whatever you want with a flag as there are no laws against it. It is called free speech.

End of story. If you do not get why it is upside down I seriously do not know what planet you are living on.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Stay on topic. We are talking about the American flag.

.

take a flag and drag it through D.C. or New York City or Philly

.

A few years ago in Poughkeepsie NY firemen attached huge America flags to their engines.
I believe they were a part of the 911 situation. And they were told they could not wave the flags on the back of their engines like that. Two reason, the exhaust was making them dirty and the size was impeading traffic.
.
There are was to display the flag, ways not to etc
.
Of course people can wear the design as a bandana, underwear, backback, tie, dress etc
But there is a general respect for what the flag represents which is the United States of America

.

And stop assuming you know people ethnicities and life background.

You can do whatever you want with a flag as there are no laws against it. It is called free speech.

End of story. If you do not get why it is upside down I seriously do not know what planet you are living on.

actually you cannot

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

You can do whatever you want with a flag as there are no laws against it. It is called free speech.

End of story. If you do not get why it is upside down I seriously do not know what planet you are living on.

actually you cannot

Please site what laws are broken if I want to turn a flag upside down. I am not talking about some firemen who may have violated some department rule. I am talking about actual laws on the books.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

actually you cannot

Please site what laws are broken if I want to turn a flag upside down. I am not talking about some firemen who may have violated some department rule. I am talking about actual laws on the books.

The US Supreme Court has ruled you can burn a US flag so the action of flying a flag upside down would fall under the same category of protected speech as a right to free speech, a right to protest and a right for redress of grievances.

State laws do not trump the decisions by the Supreme Court.

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

Please site what laws are broken if I want to turn a flag upside down. I am not talking about some firemen who may have violated some department rule. I am talking about actual laws on the books.

The US Supreme Court has ruled you can burn a US flag so the action of flying a flag upside down would fall under the same category of protected speech as a right to free speech, a right to protest and a right for redress of grievances.

State laws do not trump the decisions by the Supreme Court.

Many of our readers ask about U.S. flag rules and regulations. On June 22, 1942, Congress passed a joint resolution, later amended on December 22, 1942, that encompassed what has come to be known as the U.S. Flag Code. Here are highlights.

Perhaps the most important rule involves how citizens should behave around the Stars and Stripes: The flag of the United States is the emblem of our identity as a separate nation, which the United States of America has been for more than 200 years. Therefore, citizens should stand at attention and salute when their flag is passing in a parade or being hoisted or lowered.

How to Properly Display the Flag

• The custom is to display the flag only from sunrise to sunset on flagstaffs in the open, but it may be displayed at night upon special occasions to produce a patriotic effect.
• When the flag is hung vertically on a wall, window or door the Union (blue) should be to the observer’s left. When the flag is hung either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the Union (blue field) should be to the observer’s left.
• The flag should be hoisted briskly and lowered ceremoniously.
• It should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement.
• The flag should be displayed on all days, especially on

  New Year’s Day, January 1
  Inauguration Day, January 20
  Martin Luther King Jr.’s birthday, third Monday in January
  Lincoln’s Birthday, February 12
  Washington’s Birthday, third Monday in February
  Easter Sunday (variable)
  Mother’s Day, second Sunday in May
  Armed Forces Day, third Saturday in May
  Memorial Day (half-staff until noon), the last Monday in May
  Flag Day, June 14
  Father’s Day, third Sunday in June
  Independence Day, July 4
  Labor Day, first Monday in September
  Constitution Day, September 17
  Columbus Day, second Monday in October
  Navy Day, October 27
  Veterans Day, November 11
  Thanksgiving Day, fourth Thursday in November
  Christmas Day, December 25
  and such other days as may be proclaimed by the President of the United States
  the birthdays of States (date of admission)
  and on State holidays.

• It should be displayed at every public institution and in or near every polling place on election days, and at schoolhouses during school days.
• In a procession, the flag is to the right of another flag or, if in a line of other flags, in front of the center of that line.
• The flag should not be displayed on a float except from a staff, nor draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle.
• When the flag is displayed on a vehicle, the staff should be fixed firmly to the chassis.
• No other flag should be placed above the flag of the United States or, if on the same level, to its right.
• The United Nations flag may not be displayed above or in a position of superior prominence to the United States flag except at United Nations Headquarters.
• The flag displayed with another against a wall, from crossed staffs, should be on the right (the flag’s own right), and its staff should be in front of the other staff.
• It should be at the center and the highest point when displayed with a group of state flags.
• When flags of states, cities, etc., are flown on the same halyard, the United States flag should be at the peak.
• When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height, and the flag of the United States should be hoisted first and lowered last.
• When displayed from a staff projecting from a building, the union [upper inner corner] should be at the peak of the staff.
• When it is displayed otherwise than by being flown from a staff, it should be displayed flat, whether indoors or out; or so suspended that its folds fall as freely as though the flag were staffed.
• When displayed over a street, it should be suspended vertically with the union to the north in an east and west street, or to the east in a north and south street.
• On a platform, it should be above and behind the speaker, with the union uppermost and to the observer’s left.
• When displayed from a staff in a church or auditorium, the flag should occupy the position of honor and be placed at the speaker’s right as he faces the audience.
• When flown at half-staff, the flag should be first hoisted to the peak for an instant and then lowered to half-staff position. It should again be raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day. Half-staff is one-half the distance between the top and bottom of the staff. The flag must be flown at half-staff on all buildings on the death of any officer listed below, for the period indicated:
  • For the President or a former President: 30 days from the date of death.
  • For the Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives: 10 days from the day of death.
  • For an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a member of the Cabinet, a former Vice President, the President pro tempore of the Senate, the Majority Leader of the House of Representatives, the Minority Leader of the House of Representatives: From the day of death until interment.
  • For a United States Senator, Representative, Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner from the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico: the flag should be flown in the metropolitan area of the District of Columbia, on the day of death and on the following day; in the state, congressional district, territory, or commonwealth of such Senator, Representative, Delegate, or Commissioner, from the day of death until interment.
  • For a Governor: Within the state, territory, or possession, from the day of death until interment.

• When the flag is used to cover a casket, the union should be at the head and over the left shoulder.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

actually you cannot

Please site what laws are broken if I want to turn a flag upside down. I am not talking about some firemen who may have violated some department rule. I am talking about actual laws on the books.

How Not to Display the Flag

• The flag should not be dipped to any person or thing.
• It should never be displayed with the union down, save as a signal of dire distress.
• It should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
• It should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
• It should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored so that it might be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
• It should never be used as covering for a ceiling.
• It should never have anything placed on it.
• The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose, nor embroidered on cushions or handkerchiefs, printed on paper napkins or boxes, nor used as any portion of a costume.
• When the flag is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem, it should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.