OldFriends4Sale said:

LBrent said:

Lotsa fans/stans of other P protegees and muses and love interests...

They also disregard Jill Jones pretty often, but I think that's cuz she always comes off as pretty thirsty and not particularly pleasant...and that's not recent...I'll admit I did usedta feel abit sorry for her cuz she always seemed to be the girl left waiting in both PR and GB, but then I realized that wasn't just a role in a movie...she was sorta the girl left behind...I feel sorry for her.

Susan Moonsie also seems to be a girl left behind, but I've never seen/heard her whine about it...she's kept her dignity.

Apples has an undeniably place in the purpleness, but after 4/21 think she started feeling a bit left out after some of the other gals started jockeying for position as to who was higher on the purple food chain and she kinda acted out a bit...still love her though...

SheilaE also has an undeniable place in purpleness, but again, after 4/21 she also started ating out a bit and jockeying for position...still love her as well.

Seriously, fans know who is whom in the Purple Harem Heierachy...nobody needs to remind anyone of that...

It's actually a very simple formula to determine where gals sit on the purple food chain...determine when/if/how close they came to Minnesota...pretty simple really...Mayte even wrote about that in her book...

"The gal on her way into P's life was in Minnesota, the gal on her way out of P's life wasn't in Minnesota..."

Yeah I know of fan. Especially those who seem to go after any woman connected with Prince. Most never go after men. Maybe it's a lot of women doing the attacking?

I do remember a woman on a FB group saying "she would never forgive Morris for what he did to Prince" literally.

Jill has always praised Vanity though, I mean bowing down to her. And always seemed to have a respect for her.

Susan Moonsie befriend Vanity, and then went on to get her higher education. I don't think she's ever discredited Vanity. And that connection Vanity 6 had was just electric. The way they feed off of each other.

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My question, was about who was discrediting Vanity. I've never read( and I read a lot) of anyone discrediting or disrespecting Vanity from the 80s camp back then.

Well- maybe not discrediting, but there was disrespecting going on. I do remember reading that Apollonia threw shade at Vanity back in the day and some over the years immediately proceeding- something about her bra size vs. her IQ. Anyone remember that? There were other things too. Just to note, it seemed like they forged a friendship later through the years.

Even though Jill was very favorable and respectful towards Vanity in her recent podcast, she did admit there was jealosy between the women, particularily when it came to her (Vanity).

While I haven't read anything specifically, I've always wondered about how Wendy and Lisa got along with Vanity back then as well. I never got the impression there was any camaraderie there but I could be wrong.

As evidenced in this thread, Dez was not feeling Vanity and I'm sure he wasn't the only one disgruntled by her presence.

I just love Jellybean, he came out hard, but he was being honest

purplegirl00 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah I know of fan. Especially those who seem to go after any woman connected with Prince. Most never go after men. Maybe it's a lot of women doing the attacking?

I do remember a woman on a FB group saying "she would never forgive Morris for what he did to Prince" literally.

Jill has always praised Vanity though, I mean bowing down to her. And always seemed to have a respect for her.

Susan Moonsie befriend Vanity, and then went on to get her higher education. I don't think she's ever discredited Vanity. And that connection Vanity 6 had was just electric. The way they feed off of each other.

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My question, was about who was discrediting Vanity. I've never read( and I read a lot) of anyone discrediting or disrespecting Vanity from the 80s camp back then.

Well- maybe not discrediting, but there was disrespecting going on. I do remember reading that Apollonia threw shade at Vanity back in the day and some over the years immediately proceeding- something about her bra size vs. her IQ. Anyone remember that? There were other things too. Just to note, it seemed like they forged a friendship later through the years.

Even though Jill was very favorable and respectful towards Vanity in her recent podcast, she did admit there was jealosy between the women, particularily when it came to her (Vanity).

While I haven't read anything specifically, I've always wondered about how Wendy and Lisa got along with Vanity back then as well. I never got the impression there was any camaraderie there but I could be wrong.

As evidenced in this thread, Dez was not feeling Vanity and I'm sure he wasn't the only one disgruntled by her presence.

Apollonia seemed cool with Vanity after the PR thing. If she said something it could have been an insistence from Prince. Like when he had Jerome clowning his friend(Morris Day) during the A Love Bizarre video about the Oak Tree

I think overall the women were pretty mature as could be in the environment, compartmentalizing it all. I read some things by Lisa that were very flattering of Vanity. I doubt Wendy would have any issue with her either

LBrent said:

PennyPurple said:

I agree with you that people discount Vanity, but WHY? That's what I'm not getting. I don't get why?

OK, I'm gonna try to explain what may be the issue...

Now all y'all V fans/stans keep in mind as I type this...I like V, I really do...But I'm a P fan, first and foremost...so please keep that in mind when I try to explain my feelings about her...

I really didn't feel anything much about her except a vague fondness that connected to P until all this fuss in threads about her vs "insert another purple muse"...

I remember her from back in the day when she was with P and thought they were cute together...plus I anticipated her being in PR cuz I was curious about her and probably even got caught up in the hype at the time and sang along with Nasty Girl, although that was short-lived for me cuz while it's a catchy tune the vocals are...annnyway, all of a sudden she was gone and word was she and P had broken up so that was about it for me unless she popped up on a TV show or magazine...then I always then saw her in Last Dragon and Action Jackson, but that's about it...

V's pretty, no doubt about it...and the more old videos I see of her I can remember how cute and sorta quirky and smiley and a bit airheaded and lowkey ratchet she seemed to me...in a fun way...like a gal who'd be fun to hang out with...

Everyone's tastes differ on talent, but I gotta admit, I have very rarely listened to any of P's protegees voices and thought "OMG, that's it!"...and the V6?A6 choreography was so basic that I immediately thought "Ok, pretty and awkward and not dancers"...(Yes, Apples...I loveya, but you too)...

He tended to find very pretty gals with, for the most part, thin vaporous singing voices...some off tune to my ear and I find most of them very hard to listen to for any extended time...The gals with these strong beautiful voices tended not to be romantic partners, despite rumours otherwise...as a matter of fact, whenever I heard a good singer in the bunch I'd smirk and chuckle to myself and think "Pretty gal, great voice...P ain't effin her"...

Over the years we've come to appreciate Just my opinion of course, but I think the ones who resented V only saw a pretty girl who they felt was extremely modestly talented and that pisses folks off when gals like that get ahead so they mentally toss them aside...I think that's why V gets mentally tossed aside, for being just pretty and not much more...

Also, I think whenever it comes to a gal who is known to have shared his bed...well...jealousy creeps into the scenario...Y'all can say no, but...

Thinking Andy Allo leading the NPG...

But with Vanity I was blessed to have a local radio station the 'LOVED' everything Prince.
So they would play these Prince music mixes. That include Prince's albums/bsides the Time Vanity 6

and that helped me to see early on the 'vision' that Prince was creating which was visually and musically of course. And Vanity had the look AND Charisma to own that spot. And she did. I'm hearing/think of her version of Sex Shooter... she killed it. I think if there was a woman who was too much of a singer, it might not have worked. The fun sexiness and playfulness would have been lost. I mean the Vanity 6 extension was basically high society women who represented certain male fantasies.
So to this day when I make album era playists and mix in Prince & the noituloveR-1999 the Time-What Time is It? Vanity 6 and any long version bside outtakes it tells a story.
There is a reason that 1980-1987 period is golden.

i DON'T LISTEN TO VANITY 6 OR APOLLONIA 6 TOO OFTEN BUT DAMN i COULD LISTEN TO nASTY GIRL ALL THE DAY LONG. i LOVE THAT SHE TAUNTS THE MAN IN THE SONG.

THERE IS A BELIEVABLE SULTRINESS TO HER VOICE. It also always reminds me of Beverly HIlls Cop when I hear it. LOL..I love that movie.

OldFriends4Sale said:

LBrent said:

OK, I'm gonna try to explain what may be the issue...

Now all y'all V fans/stans keep in mind as I type this...I like V, I really do...But I'm a P fan, first and foremost...so please keep that in mind when I try to explain my feelings about her...

I really didn't feel anything much about her except a vague fondness that connected to P until all this fuss in threads about her vs "insert another purple muse"...

I remember her from back in the day when she was with P and thought they were cute together...plus I anticipated her being in PR cuz I was curious about her and probably even got caught up in the hype at the time and sang along with Nasty Girl, although that was short-lived for me cuz while it's a catchy tune the vocals are...annnyway, all of a sudden she was gone and word was she and P had broken up so that was about it for me unless she popped up on a TV show or magazine...then I always then saw her in Last Dragon and Action Jackson, but that's about it...

V's pretty, no doubt about it...and the more old videos I see of her I can remember how cute and sorta quirky and smiley and a bit airheaded and lowkey ratchet she seemed to me...in a fun way...like a gal who'd be fun to hang out with...

Everyone's tastes differ on talent, but I gotta admit, I have very rarely listened to any of P's protegees voices and thought "OMG, that's it!"...and the V6?A6 choreography was so basic that I immediately thought "Ok, pretty and awkward and not dancers"...(Yes, Apples...I loveya, but you too)...

He tended to find very pretty gals with, for the most part, thin vaporous singing voices...some off tune to my ear and I find most of them very hard to listen to for any extended time...The gals with these strong beautiful voices tended not to be romantic partners, despite rumours otherwise...as a matter of fact, whenever I heard a good singer in the bunch I'd smirk and chuckle to myself and think "Pretty gal, great voice...P ain't effin her"...

Over the years we've come to appreciate Just my opinion of course, but I think the ones who resented V only saw a pretty girl who they felt was extremely modestly talented and that pisses folks off when gals like that get ahead so they mentally toss them aside...I think that's why V gets mentally tossed aside, for being just pretty and not much more...

Also, I think whenever it comes to a gal who is known to have shared his bed...well...jealousy creeps into the scenario...Y'all can say no, but...

Thinking Andy Allo leading the NPG...

But with Vanity I was blessed to have a local radio station the 'LOVED' everything Prince.
So they would play these Prince music mixes. That include Prince's albums/bsides the Time Vanity 6

and that helped me to see early on the 'vision' that Prince was creating which was visually and musically of course. And Vanity had the look AND Charisma to own that spot. And she did. I'm hearing/think of her version of Sex Shooter... she killed it. I think if there was a woman who was too much of a singer, it might not have worked. The fun sexiness and playfulness would have been lost. I mean the Vanity 6 extension was basically high society women who represented certain male fantasies.
So to this day when I make album era playists and mix in Prince & the noituloveR-1999 the Time-What Time is It? Vanity 6 and any long version bside outtakes it tells a story.
There is a reason that 1980-1987 period is golden.

[Edited 6/24/17 23:01pm]

Yep, Nasty Girl is the song. Have U heard Vanity 6 version of Sex Shooter?

I love Drive Me Wild(extended) too, one of my other favorites, If A Girl Answers...

purplerabbithole said:

i DON'T LISTEN TO VANITY 6 OR APOLLONIA 6 TOO OFTEN BUT DAMN i COULD LISTEN TO nASTY GIRL ALL THE DAY LONG. i LOVE THAT SHE TAUNTS THE MAN IN THE SONG.

THERE IS A BELIEVABLE SULTRINESS TO HER VOICE. It also always reminds me of Beverly HIlls Cop when I hear it. LOL..I love that movie.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Thinking Andy Allo leading the NPG...

But with Vanity I was blessed to have a local radio station the 'LOVED' everything Prince.
So they would play these Prince music mixes. That include Prince's albums/bsides the Time Vanity 6

and that helped me to see early on the 'vision' that Prince was creating which was visually and musically of course. And Vanity had the look AND Charisma to own that spot. And she did. I'm hearing/think of her version of Sex Shooter... she killed it. I think if there was a woman who was too much of a singer, it might not have worked. The fun sexiness and playfulness would have been lost. I mean the Vanity 6 extension was basically high society women who represented certain male fantasies.
So to this day when I make album era playists and mix in Prince & the noituloveR-1999 the Time-What Time is It? Vanity 6 and any long version bside outtakes it tells a story.
There is a reason that 1980-1987 period is golden.

[Edited 6/24/17 23:01pm]

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yep, Nasty Girl is the song. Have U heard Vanity 6 version of Sex Shooter?

I love Drive Me Wild(extended) too, one of my other favorites, If A Girl Answers...

purplerabbithole said:

i DON'T LISTEN TO VANITY 6 OR APOLLONIA 6 TOO OFTEN BUT DAMN i COULD LISTEN TO nASTY GIRL ALL THE DAY LONG. i LOVE THAT SHE TAUNTS THE MAN IN THE SONG.

THERE IS A BELIEVABLE SULTRINESS TO HER VOICE. It also always reminds me of Beverly HIlls Cop when I hear it. LOL..I love that movie.

[Edited 6/24/17 23:01pm]

Nasty Girl is Eveything

He favored the women over the guys. It is easier to get a girl group to sell then a bunch of guys. Plus he was going with two of the women in the group.

If you want to know about how the industry treated black bands with just guys read Nile Rodgers book about why he put two women singers up front in Chic. It was the only way to for the band to get a recording contract.

Prince was just following the industry trend which has not changed since as we have very few bands with all black guys in RnB today.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I just love Jellybean, he came out hard, but he was being honest

BBP: So why do you think the women get treated better?

Johnson: This goes all the way back to Vanity 6, Apollonia 6, and how we used to get treated because of them. We played for Vanity 6 and we were in their band, we didn’t get but an extra $100 for doing that shit…and when we came to major cities like New York, L.A., he booted our asses off there. He kept them, made us play for them and wouldn’t let The Time play. Do you know what it’s like to have a major star—Quincy Jones, Sting—coming to see us, and we don’t play?

OldFriends4Sale said:

I just love Jellybean, he came out hard, but he was being honest

BBP: So why do you think the women get treated better?

Johnson: This goes all the way back to Vanity 6, Apollonia 6, and how we used to get treated because of them. We played for Vanity 6 and we were in their band, we didn’t get but an extra $100 for doing that shit…and when we came to major cities like New York, L.A., he booted our asses off there. He kept them, made us play for them and wouldn’t let The Time play. Do you know what it’s like to have a major star—Quincy Jones, Sting—coming to see us, and we don’t play?

the story goes that,Prince removed The Time from the LA and NY shows because he didn't want to risk getting upstaged by them in those major cities.

Not hard to believe but also not completely unreasonable. I don't know what to think about the Time? I sympathize with them but at the same time, did they not see the signs almost immediately that they were a passion project/side project for Prince. (Regardless of how much talent they had or how much they contributed---with Prince's little fingers in every piece of the pie, what did they think they were going to come away with?) Why weren't they a bit more weary from the beginning?

SoulAlive said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I just love Jellybean, he came out hard, but he was being honest

BBP: So why do you think the women get treated better?

Johnson: This goes all the way back to Vanity 6, Apollonia 6, and how we used to get treated because of them. We played for Vanity 6 and we were in their band, we didn’t get but an extra $100 for doing that shit…and when we came to major cities like New York, L.A., he booted our asses off there. He kept them, made us play for them and wouldn’t let The Time play. Do you know what it’s like to have a major star—Quincy Jones, Sting—coming to see us, and we don’t play?

the story goes that,Prince removed The Time from the LA and NY shows because he didn't want to risk getting upstaged by them in those major cities.

LBrent said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Outside of this with Dez, I don't remember anyone actually discounting Vanity presence in the camp.

Who else?

Lotsa fans/stans of other P protegees and muses and love interests...

They also disregard Jill Jones pretty often, but I think that's cuz she always comes off as pretty thirsty and not particularly pleasant...and that's not recent...I'll admit I did usedta feel abit sorry for her cuz she always seemed to be the girl left waiting in both PR and GB, but then I realized that wasn't just a role in a movie...she was sorta the girl left behind...I feel sorry for her.

Susan Moonsie also seems to be a girl left behind, but I've never seen/heard her whine about it...she's kept her dignity.

Apples has an undeniably place in the purpleness, but after 4/21 think she started feeling a bit left out after some of the other gals started jockeying for position as to who was higher on the purple food chain and she kinda acted out a bit...still love her though...

SheilaE also has an undeniable place in purpleness, but again, after 4/21 she also started ating out a bit and jockeying for position...still love her as well.

Seriously, fans know who is whom in the Purple Harem Heierachy...nobody needs to remind anyone of that...

It's actually a very simple formula to determine where gals sit on the purple food chain...determine when/if/how close they came to Minnesota...pretty simple really...Mayte even wrote about that in her book...

"The gal on her way into P's life was in Minnesota, the gal on her way out of P's life wasn't in Minnesota..."

I agree with u about Jill she was the girl who was always overlooked in PR & GB. Although in PR her character was far more likeable than the one in GB.

Interesting Purple Food Chain theory.

Prince was The Time. How do you get outdone by yourself?

People will dispute you on that one. But I see what you mean. Then again, how many people actually knew that in the earlier days?

He certainly had his fingers in every little piece of that pie. Obviously the degree to which jam sessions influenced his writing is debatable, but like I said, he certainly controlled a great deal of what was going on in the studio recordings of the first two albums and played all the parts (except drums) on them of course (and wrote the lyrics and melodies). This, to me, seems like a red flag. I don't know why bandmembers didn't think, Geez, I am just a cog on this wheel, I better get ready with something to fall back on when boss moves on to another whim (or switches vehicles)." Isn't that what Jam and Lewis got fired for (their back plan was discovered...LOL). Well, look how they are doing now and they don't seem to have issues with Prince anymore.

endiadj said:

Prince was The Time. How do you get outdone by yourself?

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endiadj said:

Prince was The Time. How do you get outdone by yourself?

Well he has admitted that The Time "were becoming like Godzilla" and their live performances were well-received.It's understandable that he may have been feeling a little threatened.I notice that he never ever had this problem again with any future proteges.That's because The Time were truly one of a kind (hey that rhymes,lol)

endiadj said:

Prince was The Time. How do you get outdone by yourself?

With the players (Jimmy, Terry, Monte, Jesse, 'Bean, Morris) in a live concert is how. While Prince was busy being an enigma that sometimes didnt work out too well with the audience, The Time were busy throwin down, giving the people what they wanted with no pretentiousness.

purplerabbithole said:

Not hard to believe but also not completely unreasonable. I don't know what to think about the Time? I sympathize with them but at the same time, did they not see the signs almost immediately that they were a passion project/side project for Prince. (Regardless of how much talent they had or how much they contributed---with Prince's little fingers in every piece of the pie, what did they think they were going to come away with?) Why weren't they a bit more weary from the beginning?

One thing I've noticed is that,in every situation like this,there are always disgruntled employees who feel that they're not getting enough credit/acclaim/money.It happened with George Clinton and his P-funk empire,it happened with Berry Gordy and his Motown empire,it happened with Maurice White and his Earth Wind and Fire band,etc.,etc...I can truly understand both sides.One person is the "leader" and at first,everyone is okay with that.But then there are issues with money...folks feeling that they're not getting the proper credit.....folks feeling creatively stifled (with all of the talent that Jam and Lewis had,Prince still didn't want them writing and producing songs for others).Monte Moir complained that "He (Prince) would tell us 'why do you wanna work elsewhere when you have all these opportunities here"?

SoulAlive said:

purplerabbithole said:

Not hard to believe but also not completely unreasonable. I don't know what to think about the Time? I sympathize with them but at the same time, did they not see the signs almost immediately that they were a passion project/side project for Prince. (Regardless of how much talent they had or how much they contributed---with Prince's little fingers in every piece of the pie, what did they think they were going to come away with?) Why weren't they a bit more weary from the beginning?

One thing I've noticed is that,in every situation like this,there are always disgruntled employees who feel that they're not getting enough credit/acclaim/money.It happened with George Clinton and his P-funk empire,it happened with Berry Gordy and his Motown empire,it happened with Maurice White and his Earth Wind and Fire band,etc.,etc...I can truly understand both sides.One person is the "leader" and at first,everyone is okay with that.But then there are issues with money...folks feeling that they're not getting the proper credit.....folks feeling creatively stifled (with all of the talent that Jam and Lewis had,Prince still didn't want them writing and producing songs for others).Monte Moir complained that "He (Prince) would tell us 'why do you wanna work elsewhere when you have all these opportunities here"?

I dont blame Prince. He didnt want his people playing "Those away games" () Barksdale/The Wire

rdhull said:

Prince was one of the greatest live performers ever. Don't get why he would say he was afraid anyone would upstage him.

endiadj said:

rdhull said:

With the players (Jimmy, Terry, Monte, Jesse, 'Bean, Morris) in a live concert is how. While Prince was busy being an enigma that sometimes didnt work out too well with the audience, The Time were busy throwin down, giving the people what they wanted with no pretentiousness.

Prince was one of the greatest live performers ever. Don't get why he would say he was afraid anyone would upstage him.

Hon, because it happened. Severl times. By The Time.

rdhull said:

Strange. Maybe he should've kept his own music. Then Prince became Prince tho..., so there was nothing for him to worry about.

endiadj said:

then why do YOU think he removed The Time from those shows? Back then,the Time were getting a lot of raves for their live performances,especially with R&B/funk fans and the black media.Prince later admitted that they were "the only band that I was ever afraid of".


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SoulAlive said:

endiadj said:

Prince was one of the greatest live performers ever. Don't get why he would say he was afraid anyone would upstage him.

then why do YOU think he removed The Time from those shows? Back then,the Time were getting a lot of raves for their live performances,especially with R&B/funk fans and the black media.Prince later admitted that they were "the only band that I was ever afraid of". .. [Edited 6/26/17 16:42pm]

and he made sure to take The Time off the performances in major cities like Los Angeles etc so they wouldn't get shine or upstage him in the reviews. Folks dont understand, The Time was happenin with the kids etc and Prince was just weird to them.

rdhull said:

SoulAlive said:

endiadj said: then why do YOU think he removed The Time from those shows? Back then,the Time were getting a lot of raves for their live performances,especially with R&B/funk fans and the black media.Prince later admitted that they were "the only band that I was ever afraid of". .. [Edited 6/26/17 16:42pm]

and he made sure to take The Time off the performances in major cities like Los Angeles etc so they wouldn't get shine or upstage him in the reviews. Folks dont understand, The Time was happenin with the kids etc and Prince was just weird to them.

EXACTLY...and they were so talented that they left and over the next 30 years went on to become superstars in their own right cuz they didn't need the P connection to be relevant and their fanbase wasn't folks who either grew up with them or folks who only heard of them because of being known as purple associates and were his biggest rivals...even before 4/21's inumerable P tributes that included them ad nauseum until infinity...

Um...

Wait...No, that didn't happen...4/21 made them relevant again after 30 years cuz now they can play P music and give interviews about how much they miss him and that he'll always be their brutha...

Nevermind...

LBrent said:

rdhull said:

and he made sure to take The Time off the performances in major cities like Los Angeles etc so they wouldn't get shine or upstage him in the reviews. Folks dont understand, The Time was happenin with the kids etc and Prince was just weird to them.

EXACTLY...and they were so talented that they left and over the next 30 years went on to become superstars in their own right cuz they didn't need the P connection to be relevant and their fanbase wasn't folks who either grew up with them or folks who only heard of them because of being known as purple associates and were his biggest rivals...even before 4/21's inumerable P tributes that included them ad nauseum until infinity...

Um...

Wait...No, that didn't happen...4/21 made them relevant again after 30 years cuz now they can play P music and give interviews about how much they miss him and that he'll always be their brutha...

Nevermind...

see sig (c) Bart circa 2002

LBrent said:

rdhull said:

and he made sure to take The Time off the performances in major cities like Los Angeles etc so they wouldn't get shine or upstage him in the reviews. Folks dont understand, The Time was happenin with the kids etc and Prince was just weird to them.

EXACTLY...and they were so talented that they left and over the next 30 years went on to become superstars in their own right cuz they didn't need the P connection to be relevant and their fanbase wasn't folks who either grew up with them or folks who only heard of them because of being known as purple associates and were his biggest rivals...even before 4/21's inumerable P tributes that included them ad nauseum until infinity...

Um...

Wait...No, that didn't happen...4/21 made them relevant again after 30 years cuz now they can play P music and give interviews about how much they miss him and that he'll always be their brutha...

Nevermind...

I feel that way about the Jackson siblings as well.

LBrent said:

EXACTLY...and they were so talented that they left and over the next 30 years went on to become superstars in their own right cuz they didn't need the P connection to be relevant and their fanbase wasn't folks who either grew up with them or folks who only heard of them because of being known as purple associates and were his biggest rivals...even before 4/21's inumerable P tributes that included them ad nauseum until infinity...

Um...

Wait...No, that didn't happen...4/21 made them relevant again after 30 years cuz now they can play P music and give interviews about how much they miss him and that he'll always be their brutha...

Nevermind...

Goddess4Real said:

I feel that way about the Jackson siblings as well.

Well, now...I'm not an MJ fan, but to be fair...The Jacksons were successful before him...and were extra successful with him...

But after him they were never as successful again...

LBrent said:

Goddess4Real said:

I feel that way about the Jackson siblings as well.

Well, now...I'm not an MJ fan, but to be fair...The Jacksons were successful before him...and were extra successful with him...

But after him they were never as successful again...

Yuuup and I get it, you have to strike while its hot, but now they are making all kinds of claims that he was gonna do another album and world tour etc......but it total BS.

LBrent said:

Goddess4Real said:

LBrent said:

Well, now...I'm not an MJ fan, but to be fair...The Jacksons were successful before him...and were extra successful with him...

But after him they were never as successful again...

Yuuup and I get it, you have to strike while its hot, but now they are making all kinds of claims that he was gonna do another album and world tour etc......but it total BS.

Well Prince started doing a lot of things we never thought he would do in the last year before his passing.

And he has always reconnected with the Time / Time members throught his career. From 1987 onward. Morris Day & Jerome especially have been a part of Prince concerts a lot from 2000- 2009

And he has had The Time perform at the 3121 Residency and @ Paisley Park celebrations.

Because the investment into his protege groups would only foster his own stardom.
I don't think it was apparent from the beginning Prince being threatened by them. There was no real reason for it. The PR period would have been even bigger if Vanity 6 and the O7Time were a part of it.

But they also believed in Prince and the vision. They were dedicated, and living in that whirlwind of time, probably couldn't see it right of the back.

purplerabbithole said:

Not hard to believe but also not completely unreasonable. I don't know what to think about the Time? I sympathize with them but at the same time, did they not see the signs almost immediately that they were a passion project/side project for Prince. (Regardless of how much talent they had or how much they contributed---with Prince's little fingers in every piece of the pie, what did they think they were going to come away with?) Why weren't they a bit more weary from the beginning?

SoulAlive said:

the story goes that,Prince removed The Time from the LA and NY shows because he didn't want to risk getting upstaged by them in those major cities.