purplerabbithole said:

No doubt-- its also P's responsibilty. But its not all his responsibility or fault when things don't go right. He made some bad choices but so did she by going along with them and not advocating for herself and her baby in the first place. If your husband is delusional and you realize it later, can you totally fault him if you were delusional right along with him. I am glad cooler heads (in this case, Mayte's) prevailed and she started doing what was right for herself and her baby (and Prince [even as insensitive as it was] still sent that limo..because a really crazy person may not have). But no one forced the Prince koolaid down her throat in the first place. Mayte admitted that she loved him enough to basically jump off a cliff with him. Fine, but if they both chose to jump off that cliff, they are both to blame.

PennyPurple said:

And all the while, it was also P's responsibility. Correct? You all act like it's Mayte's fault and everybody else's fault except for P's. You have a husband and wife who are supposed to make the decisions and in this case the husband was super controlling...not even letting or wanting her stay in the hospital. WTH is wrong with that? And on the 2nd baby when she miscarried, he called the limo for her? Give me a break.

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Exactly. And to be honest, after that baby was born, Prince did everything he could to help the baby and tried to save it.

PennyPurple said:

Purplestar88 said:

Thank you for saying this. People like to make Mayte into a victim. She made her choices for whatever reason and needs to take reponsibility for them.

And all the while, it was also P's responsibility. Correct? You all act like it's Mayte's fault and everybody else's fault except for P's. You have a husband and wife who are supposed to make the decisions and in this case the husband was super controlling...not even letting or wanting her stay in the hospital. WTH is wrong with that? And on the 2nd baby when she miscarried, he called the limo for her? Give me a break.

He had to take his responsibility on the choices he made as well. So don't put words in my mouth. I never say it was all Mayte's fault but it is not all Prince's fault either. She is not a victim. She knew who she married and went along with some of the so call things that happen. If she wanted to stay in the hospital Prince could not have stopped her from doing so. The doctor would insure that she stayed it there. That is straight up bull she is talking. It was a sad thing that happen but they both had a part on how things played out. They saw and reacted to things very differently and they both did the best they could.

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

I am not saying Mayte is bad either. She was in love with this man (and maybe with his money and his fame a little too, let's be honest) and she was young. But his little ass couldn't force anyone to do anything, especially in a hospital full of personel, doctors and security guards etc. His body guards weren't throwing mayte into a car, were they?

Well he and the dr. sure got into it, over Mayte staying. They even had to give Mayte a shot to help develop the baby's lungs and not tell him about it.

How did she do that if Prince was sooo controlling and watched her every move and she could not make a decision for herself?

purplerabbithole said:

Name a woman whom he 'controlled' who didn't use him in some way or the other. I am not demonizing anyone here. But Prince was still just a tiny little dude with musical talent and no history of violence or forceful oppression of others. So, his ability to control was contigent upon people being willing to be controlled because they willingly drank the Prince koolaid. Seductive as he was, he really couldn't control anyone unless part of them was willing to be controlled for whatever reason. She was complicit until she wasn't anymore.

PennyPurple said:

Name a woman he didn't control.

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[Edited 6/19/17 18:59pm]

Prince used them, as much as they used him.

And what is really sad is I feel that everybody in his life used him in some form. And he knew it. That's why he didn't trust anybody and didn't really have any close relationships that lasted. It's a damn shame that there are people in this world, who I believe have never felt the real love that they should from anybody, even their parents.

He made himself a star, he had everything he could ever want, except for real love. I know Mayte loved him, and he loved her, but I feel that Mayte was a bit to young, to really know how to love her husband, I think he was more of a father figure to her.

Mani on the other hand, I think he loved her deeply, but again she was nothing but a user, stalker, and a user some more. I think his heart was broke over Mani.

Even his sisters and brothers used him & it's a damn shame.

Assuming this is hate against Mayte is a knee jerk reaction to what we are saying. PRince "emotionally" did the best he could do. He was weak and in denial.. Why people think this man was always strong-- I will never understand. Her being young doesn't mean he was such a strong man. If the argument about his controlling a young woman is what we are talking about...then her parents should have had a voice. Everyone has a responsibility here. I am not saying Mayte is a bad person. But it is the same issue, I have always had...she bears some responsibilty as well.

As for why this Manuela thread became a Mayte thread, you can thank the person who spent a post saying that Prince deserved to die because of his treatment of Mayte and it somehow found its way over her...I can't recall how it happened. I know I was involved but I wasn't trying to hate on Mayte.

PennyPurple said:

Purplestar88 said:

I agree with you. I am not saying she is bad either but many people left Prince if they did not agree with him or could not keep up with him so people making Mayte into a hopless victim is a joke. Love or not she made her choices just like Prince made his. He did they best he could and suffered as well.

You're right, the blame is on both of them. But let's not forget who wouldn't let her get medical care. You forget he liked the young girls because he could control them better. Prince did the best he could? C'mon Prince did what was best for him, because he really didn't want to know the truth about that baby. They knew something was wrong and he didn't want to believe it and if he would have agreed to the testing it would have confirmed that there were indeed problems with the baby. And what the hell is wrong with a husband who wouldn't agree to his wife getting medical care? That's what you all should be asking yourself.

I'm really getting tired of every thread turning into Mayte and blaming her for everything. This thread is actually about Mani. How it turns into Mayte all the time is beyond me. This was all discussed in the damn book thread. Don't know why we have to keep going over it....Nevermind...I do know why, for some reason there is a hate towards Mayte and the haters never fail to bring her up and now it gets added to because its her parents fault too. LMAO

Purplestar88 said:

PennyPurple said:

Well he and the dr. sure got into it, over Mayte staying. They even had to give Mayte a shot to help develop the baby's lungs and not tell him about it.

How did she do that if Prince was sooo controlling and watched her every move and she could not make a decision for herself?

They waited until he left and went against his wishes.

PennyPurple said:

Purplestar88 said:

I agree with you. I am not saying she is bad either but many people left Prince if they did not agree with him or could not keep up with him so people making Mayte into a hopless victim is a joke. Love or not she made her choices just like Prince made his. He did they best he could and suffered as well.

You're right, the blame is on both of them. But let's not forget who wouldn't let her get medical care. You forget he liked the young girls because he could control them better. Prince did the best he could? C'mon Prince did what was best for him, because he really didn't want to know the truth about that baby. They knew something was wrong and he didn't want to believe it and if he would have agreed to the testing it would have confirmed that there were indeed problems with the baby. And what the hell is wrong with a husband who wouldn't agree to his wife getting medical care? That's what you all should be asking yourself.

I'm really getting tired of every thread turning into Mayte and blaming her for everything. This thread is actually about Mani. How it turns into Mayte all the time is beyond me. This was all discussed in the damn book thread. Don't know why we have to keep going over it....Nevermind...I do know why, for some reason there is a hate towards Mayte and the haters never fail to bring her up and now it gets added to because its her parents fault too. LMAO

How would she know the baby had an issue to began with if she did not get medical care? If you are not going to abort the baby what different does the tests make? I never blame Mayte for anything but she is not a victim. I don't hate Mayte but I have to point out when people want to make her into a victim. As for her parents I don't what role if any they had on the issues with the babies.

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Purplestar88 said:

PennyPurple said:

You're right, the blame is on both of them. But let's not forget who wouldn't let her get medical care. You forget he liked the young girls because he could control them better. Prince did the best he could? C'mon Prince did what was best for him, because he really didn't want to know the truth about that baby. They knew something was wrong and he didn't want to believe it and if he would have agreed to the testing it would have confirmed that there were indeed problems with the baby. And what the hell is wrong with a husband who wouldn't agree to his wife getting medical care? That's what you all should be asking yourself.

I'm really getting tired of every thread turning into Mayte and blaming her for everything. This thread is actually about Mani. How it turns into Mayte all the time is beyond me. This was all discussed in the damn book thread. Don't know why we have to keep going over it....Nevermind...I do know why, for some reason there is a hate towards Mayte and the haters never fail to bring her up and now it gets added to because its her parents fault too. LMAO

How would she know the baby had an issue to began with if she did not get medical care? If you are not going to abort the baby what different does the tests make? I never blame Mayte for anything but she is not a victim. I don't hate Mayte but I have to point out when people want to make her into a victim. As for her parents I don't what role if any they have on the with the babies.

They measure the womans stomach and the measurements were way off (they use a tape measure). They told them that the baby may be a dwarf, neither parent had a problem with that because it was no big deal to them, they would and did love it no matter what. The tests wouldn't have changed any outcome other then the fact that they wouldn't have been shocked at what they saw and could have at least been warned about what they were about to see and they could've been better prepared. The thing they thought was the worst case scenerio that the baby would've been a dwarf....

And your right, the parents shouldn't even be in this conversation, and that's what I said to the poster who put them in it.

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PennyPurple said:

Purplestar88 said:

How did she do that if Prince was sooo controlling and watched her every move and she could not make a decision for herself?

They waited until he left and went against his wishes.

Exactly, she had the chioce to go back and go against his so call wishes. You still think she is a victim?

I can't say I disagree overall (other than the fact that I hold back on Manuela because we haven't heard her side) . But that's his weakness, his vulnerability we are talking about. Its tragic for him and unfortunately there was collatoral damage in others.

He did use women I guess, for sex, and artistic inspiration but also I imagine for love and companionship (and to him, those four characteristics were probably interlinked) . But really how confident could Prince had really been in himself, if he always had to promise the world to every woman he was with and do everything in the relationship. Many famous rich men just marry a nice pretty woman who support him (or a trophy wife you just throw money at). He was a clingy motherfvcker until he wasn't anymore..until he bailed when he sensed trouble.. Maybe women used him for clout, career advancement, money but maybe also for love and companionship. Maybe, Mayte would have been the one who would have put love and companionship above the other concerns but maybe he just didn't realize it due to the fact that she didn't convert to the religion he desperately threw himself into. She was right not to convert (don't get me wrong.) but he might thought she was betraying him or dishonest about her original intentions because she had been so willing to drink from his koolaid in the first place (and was no longer willing to do so).

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

Name a woman whom he 'controlled' who didn't use him in some way or the other. I am not demonizing anyone here. But Prince was still just a tiny little dude with musical talent and no history of violence or forceful oppression of others. So, his ability to control was contigent upon people being willing to be controlled because they willingly drank the Prince koolaid. Seductive as he was, he really couldn't control anyone unless part of them was willing to be controlled for whatever reason. She was complicit until she wasn't anymore.

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[Edited 6/19/17 18:59pm]

Prince used them, as much as they used him.

And what is really sad is I feel that everybody in his life used him in some form. And he knew it. That's why he didn't trust anybody and didn't really have any close relationships that lasted. It's a damn shame that there are people in this world, who I believe have never felt the real love that they should from anybody, even their parents.

He made himself a star, he had everything he could ever want, except for real love. I know Mayte loved him, and he loved her, but I feel that Mayte was a bit to young, to really know how to love her husband, I think he was more of a father figure to her.

Mani on the other hand, I think he loved her deeply, but again she was nothing but a user, stalker, and a user some more. I think his heart was broke over Mani.

Even his sisters and brothers used him & it's a damn shame.

Purplestar88 said:

PennyPurple said:

They waited until he left and went against his wishes.

Exactly, she had the chioce to go back and go against his so call wishes. You still think she is a victim?

I never said she was a victim, but I also know that she nor her parents had sole responsibility for what happened. Everyone hates on Mayte and it's all her fault, like I said, it's not all her fault.

PennyPurple said:

Purplestar88 said:

Exactly, she had the chioce to go back and go against his so call wishes. You still think she is a victim?

I never said she was a victim, but I also know that she nor her parents had sole responsibility for what happened. Everyone hates on Mayte and it's all her fault, like I said, it's not all her fault.

It seems that way to me, that you see her a some victim putting all the blame on Prince.

PennyPurple said:

Purplestar88 said:

How would she know the baby had an issue to began with if she did not get medical care? If you are not going to abort the baby what different does the tests make? I never blame Mayte for anything but she is not a victim. I don't hate Mayte but I have to point out when people want to make her into a victim. As for her parents I don't what role if any they have on the with the babies.

They measure the womans stomach and the measurements were way off (they use a tape measure). They told them that the baby may be a dwarf, neither parent had a problem with that because it was no big deal to them, they would and did love it no matter what. The tests wouldn't have changed any outcome other then the fact that they wouldn't have been shocked at what they saw and could have at least been warned about what they were about to see and they could've been better prepared. The thing they thought was the worst case scenerio that the baby would've been a dwarf....

And your right, the parents shouldn't even be in this conversation, and that's what I said to the poster who put them in it.

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Oh they did all that but you are claiming she did not get any medical care at all?

I didn't say it was. I want to restate that. I just don't think its all his fault because of her age or his 'controlling' nature. I am saying that in a way neither one of them knew what the fuck they were doing...until Mayte did..Ironically, Mayte was the cooler head that prevailed but it did prevail and unfortunately Prince never did entirely get his head out of his ass over this stuff...and it cost them their relationship..(maybe, evetually he saw his mistakes but it was too late.) I think Prince might have paid the much bigger price for this tragedy..(not trivializing a mother's suffering when I say that....but his suffering shouldn't be trivialized either or described as karma..or like he had it coming. LIke someone else stated.),

Mayte stated that if they hadn't lost the baby, they would have stay married. Maybe, but eventually, if it was to be a healthy marriage, Mayte would have had to assert her independence more and more. I hope that is what she thinks would have naturally happened.

PennyPurple said:

Purplestar88 said:

Exactly, she had the chioce to go back and go against his so call wishes. You still think she is a victim?

I never said she was a victim, but I also know that she nor her parents had sole responsibility for what happened. Everyone hates on Mayte and it's all her fault, like I said, it's not all her fault.

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And I think that after the 2nd baby that he was disappointed in himself, for not giving her a baby, and he was disappointed with her for not be able to give him one either. He was grieving so badly that he had to reach out for something and that just happened to be the JW faith. I can't even imagine the grief that he had over that baby and to make the decisions that he had to make by himself on care for that baby, sewing the baby's eyes shut, a trach, and other numerous surgeries and he did it by himself and had nobody to turn to, not even Mayte because they were keeping her doped up in the hospital. I'm not her, but if it was me, I would've stood up to my husband where my medical care is concerned. But each of us have our own personality and maybe it just wasn't in her to stand up to him.

purplerabbithole said:

I can't say I disagree overall (other than the fact that I hold back on Manuela because we haven't heard her side) . But that's his weakness, his vulnerability we are talking about. Its tragic for him and unfortunately there was collatoral damage in others.

He did use women I guess, for sex, and artistic inspiration but also I imagine for love and companionship (and to him, those four characteristics were probably interlinked) . But really how confident could Prince had really been in himself, if he always had to promise the world to every woman he was with and do everything in the relationship. Many famous rich men just marry a nice pretty woman who support him (or a trophy wife you just throw money at). He was a clingy motherfvcker until he wasn't anymore..until he bailed when he sensed trouble.. Maybe women used him for clout, career advancement, money but maybe also for love and companionship. Maybe, Mayte would have been the one who would have put love and companionship above the other concerns but maybe he just didn't realize it due to the fact that she didn't convert to the religion he desperately threw himself into. She was right not to convert (don't get me wrong.) but he might thought she was betraying him or dishonest about her original intentions because she had been so willing to drink from his koolaid in the first place (and was no longer willing to do so).

PennyPurple said:

Prince used them, as much as they used him.

And what is really sad is I feel that everybody in his life used him in some form. And he knew it. That's why he didn't trust anybody and didn't really have any close relationships that lasted. It's a damn shame that there are people in this world, who I believe have never felt the real love that they should from anybody, even their parents.

He made himself a star, he had everything he could ever want, except for real love. I know Mayte loved him, and he loved her, but I feel that Mayte was a bit to young, to really know how to love her husband, I think he was more of a father figure to her.

Mani on the other hand, I think he loved her deeply, but again she was nothing but a user, stalker, and a user some more. I think his heart was broke over Mani.

Even his sisters and brothers used him & it's a damn shame.

Purplestar88 said:

PennyPurple said:

They measure the womans stomach and the measurements were way off (they use a tape measure). They told them that the baby may be a dwarf, neither parent had a problem with that because it was no big deal to them, they would and did love it no matter what. The tests wouldn't have changed any outcome other then the fact that they wouldn't have been shocked at what they saw and could have at least been warned about what they were about to see and they could've been better prepared. The thing they thought was the worst case scenerio that the baby would've been a dwarf....

And your right, the parents shouldn't even be in this conversation, and that's what I said to the poster who put them in it.

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Oh they did all that but you are claiming she did not get any medical care at all?

She got very little medical care.

I don't think they would have stayed married, even if they had kids. I would have gave them about 5 more years then they had, if children had been involved.

purplerabbithole said:

I didn't say it was. I want to restate that. I just don't think its all his fault because of her age or his 'controlling' nature. I am saying that in a way neither one of them knew what the fuck they were doing...until Mayte did..Ironically, Mayte was the cooler head that prevailed but it did prevail and unfortunately Prince never did entirely get his head out of his ass over this stuff...and it cost them their relationship..(maybe, evetually he saw his mistakes but it was too late.) I think Prince might have paid the much bigger price for this tragedy..(not trivializing a mother's suffering when I say that....but his suffering shouldn't be trivialized either or described as karma..or like he had it coming. LIke someone else stated.),

Mayte stated that if they hadn't lost the baby, they would have stay married. Maybe, but eventually, if it was to be a healthy marriage, Mayte would have had to assert her independence more and more. I hope that is what she thinks would have naturally happened.

PennyPurple said:

I never said she was a victim, but I also know that she nor her parents had sole responsibility for what happened. Everyone hates on Mayte and it's all her fault, like I said, it's not all her fault.

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PennyPurple said:

Purplestar88 said:

Oh they did all that but you are claiming she did not get any medical care at all?

She got very little medical care.

Oh really but she knew the baby was going to have issues and got a shot to help develop the baby's lungs.

Okay, that's so sad. Really. those are some very difficult decisions. In retrospect, maybe he wasn't up to that. YOu are right..where were his parents (for advice and emotional support)? The one thing I always felt sad about men was the notion that they have to take care of everything and not ask for help.

PennyPurple said:

And I think that after the 2nd baby that he was disappointed in himself, for not giving her a baby, and he was disappointed with her for not be able to give him one either. He was grieving so badly that he had to reach out for something and that just happened to be the JW faith. I can't even imagine the grief that he had over that baby and to make the decisions that he had to make by himself on care for that baby, sewing the baby's eyes shut, a trach, and other numerous surgeries and he did it by himself and had nobody to turn to, not even Mayte because they were keeping her doped up in the hospital. I'm not her, but if it was me, I would've stood up to my husband where my medical care is concerned. But each of us have our own personality and maybe it just wasn't in her to stand up to him.

purplerabbithole said:

I can't say I disagree overall (other than the fact that I hold back on Manuela because we haven't heard her side) . But that's his weakness, his vulnerability we are talking about. Its tragic for him and unfortunately there was collatoral damage in others.

He did use women I guess, for sex, and artistic inspiration but also I imagine for love and companionship (and to him, those four characteristics were probably interlinked) . But really how confident could Prince had really been in himself, if he always had to promise the world to every woman he was with and do everything in the relationship. Many famous rich men just marry a nice pretty woman who support him (or a trophy wife you just throw money at). He was a clingy motherfvcker until he wasn't anymore..until he bailed when he sensed trouble.. Maybe women used him for clout, career advancement, money but maybe also for love and companionship. Maybe, Mayte would have been the one who would have put love and companionship above the other concerns but maybe he just didn't realize it due to the fact that she didn't convert to the religion he desperately threw himself into. She was right not to convert (don't get me wrong.) but he might thought she was betraying him or dishonest about her original intentions because she had been so willing to drink from his koolaid in the first place (and was no longer willing to do so).

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[Edited 6/19/17 19:57pm]

Very little medical care is a relative term when it comes to pregnancy. It differs quite a bit from woman to woman. Some women need just to have their checkups/ultrasounds and vitamins and then eventually contractions hit and they give birth naturally at home with a midwife. Some need and or want a whole list of procedures.

Purplestar88 said:

PennyPurple said:

She got very little medical care.

Oh really but she knew the baby was going to have issues and got a shot to help develop the baby's lungs.

[Edited 6/19/17 19:53pm]

purplerabbithole said:

Very little medical care is a relative term when it comes to pregnancy. It differs quite a bit from woman to woman. Some women need just to have their checkups/ultrasounds and vitamins and then eventually contractions hit and they give birth naturally at home with a midwife. Some need and or want a whole list of procedures.

Purplestar88 said:

Oh really but she knew the baby was going to have issues and got a shot to help develop the baby's lungs.

[Edited 6/19/17 19:53pm]

I agree with the little medical care is a relative term. But some people act like she got nothing which is not true. Some things was not done but she did get medical care.

Purplestar88 said:

PennyPurple said:

She got very little medical care.

Oh really but she knew the baby was going to have issues and got a shot to help develop the baby's lungs.

They were in NY with her mom and sister, Prince went back home. She was to have breakfast with her mother and when her mother got up to the room she noticed that Mayte was bleeding, blood was running down her legs. She tried to call P but he was still in the air, an ambulance picked her up from the hotel. They did a vaginal ultra sound and seen where there was starting to be a tear in the placenta. Finally she got a hold of P and he said to come home and rest, she did. When she got back home she went to see the Dr. who confirmed the tear, P said it was in God's hands. They wanted to do the amnio but there was a risk of miscarriage, so P said that they weren't doing that, that they weren't worried because they have Faith. They went back home and prayed and prayed. The OB told them the ultra sound measurements were off, and they could be looking at dwarfism, they weren't worried about it. While at home she told her mother she was having cramps, her mother thought she was in labor and they went to see the dr. they checked her into the hospital. P said it was in God's hands and wanted to take her home, he and the dr. argued. Mayte could see that P was getting upset and didn't want to upset him so she signed the release papers. On the way home she begged him to take her to the closest ER, he did. He went to Japan for a few days, while he was there they told her that the baby needed a shot to mature his lungs, because they didn't figure she would go the full 9 months and the baby would have to be taken early. She didn't want to go against P's wishes but she did it.

Does anybody see that she got the most medical care when P was out of town, or couldn't be reached?

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It sounds like her mom was there for the two ER visits and the ultrasound that showed the tear and Prince was there for the return ER visit after the initial argument with the doctor over the cramps, was there for the "dwarfism" ultrasound, and was there for the delivery, and she was alone for the decision to get the shot for the baby's lung.. Is that my understanding.

Well, he was there when they went back to the ER and there for apparently at least one of the ultrasounds (but this ultrasound didn't seem to indicate much was wrong other than dwarfism).

What else could they have done other than bed rest, an amniocentesis (possibly abortion) , and that shot you mentioned? Were any other suggestions made? I am not sure I follow what his issues were with the doctor after the cramps? Was he afraid they were going to suggest abortions or an amniocentesis again or induced labor? Not sure I follow why he was initially reluctant but then changed his mind about the second ER??

PennyPurple said:

Purplestar88 said:

Oh really but she knew the baby was going to have issues and got a shot to help develop the baby's lungs.

They were in NY with her mom and sister, Prince went back home. She was to have breakfast with her mother and when her mother got up to the room she noticed that Mayte was bleeding, blood was running down her legs. She tried to call P but he was still in the air, an ambulance picked her up from the hotel. They did a vaginal ultra sound and seen where there was starting to be a tear in the placenta. Finally she got a hold of P and he said to come home and rest, she did. When she got back home she went to see the Dr. who confirmed the tear, P said it was in God's hands. They wanted to do the amnio but there was a risk of miscarriage, so P said that they weren't doing that, that they weren't worried because they have Faith. They went back home and prayed and prayed. The OB told them the ultra sound measurements were off, and they could be looking at dwarfism, they weren't worried about it. While at home she told her mother she was having cramps, her mother thought she was in labor and they went to see the dr. they checked her into the hospital. P said it was in God's hands and wanted to take her home, he and the dr. argued. Mayte could see that P was getting upset and didn't want to upset him so she signed the release papers. On the way home she begged him to take her to the closest ER, he did. He went to Japan for a few days, while he was there they told her that the baby needed a shot to mature his lungs, because they didn't figure she would go the full 9 months and the baby would have to be taken early. She didn't want to go against P's wishes but she did it.

Does anybody see that she got the most medical care when P was out of town, or couldn't be reached?

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purplerabbithole said:

It also sounds like Prince was a workaholic who was often gone.

Well, he was there when they went back to the ER and there for apparently at least one of the ultrasounds.. I am sure he found out about the lungs eventually. What was his justificaiton for wanting to remove her from the hosptital after the cramps? It was in God's hands doesn't explain his reluctance of a hospital stay. What were they suggesting that was so offensive to his religious beliefs? Just for clarification and understanding. Did he worry that they were suggesting abortion and/or amniocentesis?

PennyPurple said:

They were in NY with her mom and sister, Prince went back home. She was to have breakfast with her mother and when her mother got up to the room she noticed that Mayte was bleeding, blood was running down her legs. She tried to call P but he was still in the air, an ambulance picked her up from the hotel. They did a vaginal ultra sound and seen where there was starting to be a tear in the placenta. Finally she got a hold of P and he said to come home and rest, she did. When she got back home she went to see the Dr. who confirmed the tear, P said it was in God's hands. They wanted to do the amnio but there was a risk of miscarriage, so P said that they weren't doing that, that they weren't worried because they have Faith. They went back home and prayed and prayed. The OB told them the ultra sound measurements were off, and they could be looking at dwarfism, they weren't worried about it. While at home she told her mother she was having cramps, her mother thought she was in labor and they went to see the dr. they checked her into the hospital. P said it was in God's hands and wanted to take her home, he and the dr. argued. Mayte could see that P was getting upset and didn't want to upset him so she signed the release papers. On the way home she begged him to take her to the closest ER, he did. He went to Japan for a few days, while he was there they told her that the baby needed a shot to mature his lungs, because they didn't figure she would go the full 9 months and the baby would have to be taken early. She didn't want to go against P's wishes but she did it.

Does anybody see that she got the most medical care when P was out of town, or couldn't be reached?

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At the point she was in the hospital for cramps, she was in labor, they weren't talking amnio or abortion. They wanted to try to stop her labor because it was way to early for her to deliver. P kept telling the dr. that if something was wrong it was in God's hands. The dr told him she tried telling him there was something wrong months before. P said he was taking her home, the dr argued and said she wasn't going anywhere and he told the dr, she's going home. P said M was free to do what ever she wants, the dr told her that she didn't have to go. She could see he was upset and didn't want to upset him even more. He didn't like what he heard from the Dr. and wanted her out of there. All they were trying to do at the point was stop her labor...

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He was there when he took her to a different ER, because he was driving her home from the 1st. LOl

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So they stopped the labor at a different hospital...Prince should have just trusted the first hospital. I am glad he calmed down and did the right thing. Well, I wonder how Mayte convinced him if a doctor was unable to do so? Maybe Prince initially thought it was round ligament pain or early cramping or something like that and didn't trust the doctor??

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

It also sounds like Prince was a workaholic who was often gone.

Well, he was there when they went back to the ER and there for apparently at least one of the ultrasounds.. I am sure he found out about the lungs eventually. What was his justificaiton for wanting to remove her from the hosptital after the cramps? It was in God's hands doesn't explain his reluctance of a hospital stay. What were they suggesting that was so offensive to his religious beliefs? Just for clarification and understanding. Did he worry that they were suggesting abortion and/or amniocentesis?

At the point she was in the hospital for cramps, she was in labor, they weren't talking amnio or abortion. They wanted to try to stop her labor because it was way to early for her to deliver. P kept telling the dr. that if something was wrong it was in God's hands. The dr told him she tried telling him there was something wrong months before. P said he was taking her home, the dr argued and said she wasn't going anywhere and he told the dr, she's going home. P said M was free to do what ever she wants, the dr told her that she didn't have to go. She could see he was upset and didn't want to upset him even more. He didn't like what he heard from the Dr. and wanted her out of there. All they were trying to do at the point was stop her labor...

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He was there when he took her to a different ER, because he was driving her home from the 1st. LOl

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purplerabbithole said:

So they stopped the labor at a different hospital...Prince should have just trusted the first hospital. Well, I wonder how Mayte convinced him if a doctor was unable to do so? Maybe Prince thought it was round ligament pain or early cramping??

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I don't know. They told him she was in full labor. He kept saying it was in God's hands and they have Faith.

Well, I am glad he listened to his wife and calmed down. Obviously, Prince had some trust issues with doctors..(its sounds like he had them at the end of his life as well.)

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

So they stopped the labor at a different hospital...Prince should have just trusted the first hospital. Well, I wonder how Mayte convinced him if a doctor was unable to do so? Maybe Prince thought it was round ligament pain or early cramping??

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I don't know. They told him she was in full labor. He kept saying it was in God's hands and they have Faith.

Even if Mani cheated on Prince, he was/had done the same. I am not saying that is acceptable, but it happens. Mani is a nice looking woman. I can see why Prince was attracted to her. They looked happy together. In my opinion, comparing the 2 marriages is like apples to oranges. The first marriage had the entertainment aspect tied to it. The second marriage seemed more personal. Of course, this is me on the outside looking in. I never meet any of them nor am privy to any details.

I don't think Prince divided the 'entertainment' from the 'personal' before. Maybe that was why Manuela was so surprising. Maybe, that is why he trusted her at first. She had no interests in being an entertainer. Of course, people now accuse her of being a golddigger (but weren't they all to some degree.) Can imagine if Prince told one of his girlfriends that he wanted to give away of his money and live as a missionary spreading the word of Jehoviah through song, all of his girlfriends who converted to his religion would have been out the door. And I wouldn't entirely blame them because that life would be boring as hell.

nelcp777 said:

Even if Mani cheated on Prince, he was/had done the same. I am not saying that is acceptable, but it happens. Mani is a nice looking woman. I can see why Prince was attracted to her. They looked happy together. In my opinion, comparing the 2 marriages is like apples to oranges. The first marriage had the entertainment aspect tied to it. The second marriage seemed more personal. Of course, this is me on the outside looking in. I never meet any of them nor am privy to any details.

purplerabbithole said:

I don't think Prince divided the 'entertainment' from the 'personal' before. Maybe that was why Manuela was so surprising. Maybe, that is why he trusted her at first. She had no interests in being an entertainer. Of course, people now accuse her of being a golddigger (but weren't they all to some degree.) Can imagine if Prince told one of his girlfriends that he wanted to give away of his money and live as a missionary spreading the word of Jehoviah through song, all of his girlfriends who converted to his religion would have been out the door. And I wouldn't entirely blame them because that life would be boring as hell.

nelcp777 said:

Even if Mani cheated on Prince, he was/had done the same. I am not saying that is acceptable, but it happens. Mani is a nice looking woman. I can see why Prince was attracted to her. They looked happy together. In my opinion, comparing the 2 marriages is like apples to oranges. The first marriage had the entertainment aspect tied to it. The second marriage seemed more personal. Of course, this is me on the outside looking in. I never meet any of them nor am privy to any details.

I agree with you on that.