nelcp777 said:

I think if Mani wrote a book, it would be an interesting read. I think we may see a side of Prince's life that is more human/personal than entertainer.

I understand Prince did not want his personal life being leaked. Unfortunately, those days are passed and things will be different.

Over time, more and more will be released from his friends, associates and lovers. Just my opinion and 2 cents.

I actually do not have a problem with people talking about him or writing about him. People were doi ng this crap when he was alive they just did not defame him for fear of being sued.

I just think people should be fair. If you are going to tell on someone else tell on yourself as well.

Also realize many of the women are going to look like straight fools for putting up with his cheating.

laurarichardson said:

luvsexy4all said:

if larry didnt "force" prince to adhere to ALL JW rules....would things have been different???

--How did Larry force Prince to do anything? Was he putting a gun to Prince's end and forcing him to go to Kingdom Hall?

laurarichardson said:

nelcp777 said:

I think if Mani wrote a book, it would be an interesting read. I think we may see a side of Prince's life that is more human/personal than entertainer.

I understand Prince did not want his personal life being leaked. Unfortunately, those days are passed and things will be different.

Over time, more and more will be released from his friends, associates and lovers. Just my opinion and 2 cents.

I actually do not have a problem with people talking about him or writing about him. People were doi ng this crap when he was alive they just did not defame him for fear of being sued.

I just think people should be fair. If you are going to tell on someone else tell on yourself as well.

Also realize many of the women are going to look like straight fools for putting up with his cheating.

I feel the same. Initially, I was defensive of his privacy but now I think one has the right to. However, whatever is said, we need to remember it is only going to be one side of the story. Some associates I can believe, others not so much, especially if they have had instances of dishonesty in the past. Quite frankly, I do not trust Manuela.

malbena said:

laurarichardson said:

I actually do not have a problem with people talking about him or writing about him. People were doi ng this crap when he was alive they just did not defame him for fear of being sued.

I just think people should be fair. If you are going to tell on someone else tell on yourself as well.

Also realize many of the women are going to look like straight fools for putting up with his cheating.

I feel the same. Initially, I was defensive of his privacy but now I think one has the right to. However, whatever is said, we need to remember it is only going to be one side of the story. Some associates I can believe, others not so much, especially if they have had instances of dishonesty in the past. Quite frankly, I do not trust Manuela.

Well Mani has been caught in a few lies already and really it would not take to much digging to find out when she and Eric hooked up.

laurarichardson said:

malbena said:

I feel the same. Initially, I was defensive of his privacy but now I think one has the right to. However, whatever is said, we need to remember it is only going to be one side of the story. Some associates I can believe, others not so much, especially if they have had instances of dishonesty in the past. Quite frankly, I do not trust Manuela.

Well Mani has been caught in a few lies already and really it would not take to much digging to find out when she and Eric hooked up.

follow the money

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

Well Mani has been caught in a few lies already and really it would not take to much digging to find out when she and Eric hooked up.

follow the money

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

Well Mani has been caught in a few lies already and really it would not take to much digging to find out when she and Eric hooked up.

follow the money

Well I posted that Smitty Boykins info and it was really easy for me to put it together. She would be smart to keep quiet.

NotACleverName said:

cloveringold85 said:

No one can deny the fact that Prince cut ties with both M1 and M2. He annulled his marriage to Mayte. To him, the marriage never happened. M2 divorced him and he was hurt and probably never wanted to trust another woman again after those two almost wrecked his life! Prince gave M2 what he thought was fair to shut her up.

Clover....there was NEVER AN ANNULMENT. They were officially divorced. Please read this article: http://www.genlux.com/mayte-garcia/ in which Mayte says the following: Mayte refutes an internet article stating that the marriage was annulled. “No! We did not annul the marriage,” she says emphatically, “You can’t annul after four years of marriage and a child. You can’t.” Can we please put this ridiculous rumor to rest? EDIT ED TO ADD: And while the following is my opinion, I'm entitled....Prince was a JW at the time Manuela filed for divorce and divorce is not looked on with favor by that organization. This could have been motivation enough to claim he wanted to keep the marital state intact. You also don't create hardship for one you supposedly care about by locking them out of the joint residence and discontinuing their access to funds. Which is what Prince did to Manuela. There was also speculation of strife in the marriage from as early as 2004. So, I would presume that his comment about not wanting the divorce was PR spin. [Edited 6/13/17 19:55pm]

Totally agree with all of your points, NotACleverName. In terms of the "annulment," I think that it was just something that Prince created for reasons probably only he understood.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

NotACleverName said:

Clover....there was NEVER AN ANNULMENT. They were officially divorced. Please read this article: http://www.genlux.com/mayte-garcia/ in which Mayte says the following: Mayte refutes an internet article stating that the marriage was annulled. “No! We did not annul the marriage,” she says emphatically, “You can’t annul after four years of marriage and a child. You can’t.” Can we please put this ridiculous rumor to rest?

A couple million Catholics may disagree, as they still need an annulment to remarry in the church and receive communion. and the length of the marriage and children are not reasons to not be granted an annulment. FYI Mayte

Prince and Mayte were not married in the Catholic church.

laurarichardson said:

luvsexy4all said:

if larry didnt "force" prince to adhere to ALL JW rules....would things have been different???

--How did Larry force Prince to do anything? Was he putting a gun to Prince's end and forcing him to go to Kingdom Hall?

making him strictly follow JW rules

Nobody forced anyone to do anything...but that also includes any musician who worked for Prince or any wife who states that "Prince made me do this or that"...

That being said, a dude who saw his child coming out of his wife's womb with major facial deformities, web-like hands, no anus and eyes on the outside of his head (with no forewarning whatsoever) might not be the best place emotionally or psychologically. Sorry to go there. But people forget that this child was his son too.

luvsexy4all said:

laurarichardson said:

luvsexy4all said: --How did Larry force Prince to do anything? Was he putting a gun to Prince's end and forcing him to go to Kingdom Hall?

making him strictly follow JW rules

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purplerabbithole said:

Nobody forced anyone to do anything...but that also includes any musician who worked for Prince or any wife who states that "Prince made me do this or that"...

That being said, a dude who saw his child coming out of his wife's womb with major facial deformities, web-like hands, no anus and eyes on the outside of his head (with no forewarning whatsoever) might not be the best place emotionally or psychologically. Sorry to go there. But people forget that this child was his son too.

luvsexy4all said:

making him strictly follow JW rules

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Coming from someone who was so outraged on another thread when I referred to this damaged child, this paragraph is so odd. So let me go there...genetic testing confirmed that Prince did impregnate his wife or wives with damaged children. Get over it. And he and Mayte were forewarned, many times, that something was not right with this baby. The deformaties drove a c-section and their best hoped-for outcome was dwarfism.

I know the details. I am not outraged about the details. I am outraged that you act like anyone is at fault for a deformed baby. Yes, they were forewarned and he made a fucking mistake..because he thought it was dwarfism. Off with his head. He deserved to die alone in an elevater after 20 years of chronic pain for being one of two people (four if you count her parents) to decide to not follow the doctor's recommendation and get an amniocentis which wouldn't have made a difference in the prognosis anyway.. He deserved to die because he couldn't deal with loss the normal way like his wife and her supportive family were able to do so. He hurt Mayte. He didn't break her. He didn't destroy her. She was able to date rock stars (Tommy Lee) and go on reality shows and live in in New York apartments (the year of their breakup). Meltedman even said she had a NYC apartment. (You do know how expensive NYC apartments are--they are no Spanish mansions but still she didn't go penniless back to Puerto Rico) and work as a choreographer and adopt kids.. Maybe, Prince could have got her out of her funk and sleeping all day by staying by her side and not being a weak willed bastard but she still was going to be messed up from that loss. Plus, how was he going to help her if he couldn't help himself (Jesus, if jumping over the cliff into a life of no cuss words and ridiculous religious requirements [ie no hip replacement] after the loss of a child doesn't indicate a breakdown of some kind--what does?) Thats a major major loss in any young woman's life (ideal husband or not.). Prince didn't deserve to die because Mayte endured emotional pain at this hands. That's not even close to the punishment fitting the crime.

I am starting to calm down. But death and unbearable physical pain is a serious punishment for a man's insensitivity. YOu must know that.

If there is any tie between Prince's bahvior with Mayte after the babies' deaths and his own death, it is his profound inability to face his own vulnerabilities/losses head-on. they both revealed his weakness where human interactions were concerned. He was a victim of his own neurosis/fear (and sadly for a short period, Mayte was a victim of it too.) But there were no ill intentions from God, Prince

Bodhitheblackdog said:

purplerabbithole said:

Nobody forced anyone to do anything...but that also includes any musician who worked for Prince or any wife who states that "Prince made me do this or that"...

That being said, a dude who saw his child coming out of his wife's womb with major facial deformities, web-like hands, no anus and eyes on the outside of his head (with no forewarning whatsoever) might not be the best place emotionally or psychologically. Sorry to go there. But people forget that this child was his son too.

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[Edited 6/19/17 16:13pm]

Coming from someone who was so outraged on another thread when I referred to this damaged child, this paragraph is so odd. So let me go there...genetic testing confirmed that Prince did impregnate his wife or wives with damaged children. Get over it. And he and Mayte were forewarned, many times, that something was not right with this baby. The deformaties drove a c-section and their best hoped-for outcome was dwarfism.

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

purplerabbithole said:

Nobody forced anyone to do anything...but that also includes any musician who worked for Prince or any wife who states that "Prince made me do this or that"...

That being said, a dude who saw his child coming out of his wife's womb with major facial deformities, web-like hands, no anus and eyes on the outside of his head (with no forewarning whatsoever) might not be the best place emotionally or psychologically. Sorry to go there. But people forget that this child was his son too.

[Edited 6/19/17 16:10pm]

[Edited 6/19/17 16:13pm]

Coming from someone who was so outraged on another thread when I referred to this damaged child, this paragraph is so odd. So let me go there...genetic testing confirmed that Prince did impregnate his wife or wives with damaged children. Get over it. And he and Mayte were forewarned, many times, that something was not right with this baby. The deformaties drove a c-section and their best hoped-for outcome was dwarfism.

Damaged child and children? Really? People have children with issues everyday whether or not they knew or did not about it about. You get over yourself. You have some nerve. You referred to Mayte and Prince's child in a disrespectful way and was putting Prince down. purplerabbithole is comming from a place of compassion unlike you.

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purplerabbithole said:

I know the details. I am not outraged about the details. I am outraged that you act like anyone is at fault for a deformed baby. Yes, they were forewarned and he made a fucking mistake..because he thought it was dwarfism. Off with his head. He deserved to die alone in an elevater after 20 years of chronic pain for being one of two people (four if you count her parents) to decide to not follow the doctor's recommendation and get an amniocentis which wouldn't have made a difference in the prognosis anyway.. He deserved to die because he couldn't deal with loss the normal way like his wife and her supportive family were able to do so.

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Now it's her parent's fault too? C'mon. When I was pregnant with my kids, my parents didn't make any pregnancy decisions for me, about me, or for my husband. The tests would have allowed them to know what they were dealing with, instead of being shocked when the baby arrived. Prince wouldn't even let her stay at the first hospital when she started having problems, and he argued with the dr. and made Mayte leave. On the way home from the hospital she persuaded him to take her to another hospital, where they were told the same thing.

Don't be blamin her parents, and he had parents too.

I am not blaming her parents. I am saying they had an influence as well. If I told my dad that my husband was forcing me to not go to a hospital against my will, my dad would have thrown a fucking fit. There would have been some serious words between my dad and my husband to say the lease.

Also, did Prince have a gun in his hand forcing doctors, medical personnel, and Mayte to do exactly what he wanted? I am sure he had a strong pull over his wife. But I hate the notion that anyone was forced to do anything they didn't want to do--regardless of her age. If her age was such a factor, then the parents should have been more involved. If she was old enough not to need them, then she ultimately would have to just stand up to her husband. Apparently, she must have in the car on the way home. I am not even mad at Mayte when i write this. I am mad at the interpretation of these events. She was loyal to Prince because she bought into his arguments..it sounds like. But ultimately, doing that meant that at least at the time, they were her decisions as well. If she changed her mind in the car or whatever, then good for her.

As for his parents, he was in his 30's and was he even talking with his dad at the time.

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

I know the details. I am not outraged about the details. I am outraged that you act like anyone is at fault for a deformed baby. Yes, they were forewarned and he made a fucking mistake..because he thought it was dwarfism. Off with his head. He deserved to die alone in an elevater after 20 years of chronic pain for being one of two people (four if you count her parents) to decide to not follow the doctor's recommendation and get an amniocentis which wouldn't have made a difference in the prognosis anyway.. He deserved to die because he couldn't deal with loss the normal way like his wife and her supportive family were able to do so.

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Now it's her parent's fault too? C'mon. When I was pregnant with my kids, my parents didn't make any pregnancy decisions for me, about me, or for my husband. The tests would have allowed them to know what they were dealing with, instead of being shocked when the baby arrived. Prince wouldn't even let her stay at the first hospital when she started having problems, and he argued with the dr. and made Mayte leave. On the way home from the hospital she persuaded him to take her to another hospital, where they were told the same thing.

Don't be blamin her parents, and he had parents too.

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purplerabbithole said:

I am not blaming her parents. I am saying they had an influence as well. If I told my dad that my ex-husband was forcing me to not go to a hospital against my will, my dad would have thrown a fucking fit.

Also, did Prince have a gun in his hand forcing doctors, medical personnel, and Mayte to do exactly what he wanted? I am sure he had a strong pull over his wife. But I hate the notion that anyone was forced to do anything they didn't want to do--regardless of her age. If her age was such a factor then the parents should have been more involved. If she was old enough not to need them, then she ultimately would have to just stand up to her husband. Apparently, she must have in the car on the way home.

As for his parents, he was in his 30 and was he even talking with his dad at the time.

PennyPurple said:

Now it's her parent's fault too? C'mon. When I was pregnant with my kids, my parents didn't make any pregnancy decisions for me, about me, or for my husband. The tests would have allowed them to know what they were dealing with, instead of being shocked when the baby arrived. Prince wouldn't even let her stay at the first hospital when she started having problems, and he argued with the dr. and made Mayte leave. On the way home from the hospital she persuaded him to take her to another hospital, where they were told the same thing.

Don't be blamin her parents, and he had parents too.

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Her parents didn't even live in the same State. And that Dr. at the 1st hospital demanded that Mayte was to stay there....it didn't do any good. And you're right, there is no test in the world that would have changed that diagnosis, but at least they could've been warned what they were up against, and maybe prepare for it.

There are phones...that help you talk with your parents...LOL.> NOt to mention, if I was having bleeding issues while my pregnancy, I am about 99 percent certain my parents would have flown over from that other state to be there during an important appointment like that. They couldn't make decisions but they would have been there. (I have had medical issues in my 40's that my parents came over for).

IF the doctor demanded it, then Mayte could have just done it. Prince wasn't God. He couldn't force her to do shit. It sounds like she thought about it in the car and got scared and then convinced him to take her to a hospital...Good for her. But can we stop with "he made her do it" rhetoric? Unless Prince was physically abusive or using force against her (via strong backed bodyguards) then her body was still her body and she had support from the doctor as well. She could have said "no" I am not going anywhere.

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

I am not blaming her parents. I am saying they had an influence as well. If I told my dad that my ex-husband was forcing me to not go to a hospital against my will, my dad would have thrown a fucking fit.

Also, did Prince have a gun in his hand forcing doctors, medical personnel, and Mayte to do exactly what he wanted? I am sure he had a strong pull over his wife. But I hate the notion that anyone was forced to do anything they didn't want to do--regardless of her age. If her age was such a factor then the parents should have been more involved. If she was old enough not to need them, then she ultimately would have to just stand up to her husband. Apparently, she must have in the car on the way home.

As for his parents, he was in his 30 and was he even talking with his dad at the time.

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Her parents didn't even live in the same State. And that Dr. at the 1st hospital demanded that Mayte was to stay there....it didn't do any good. And you're right, there is no test in the world that would have changed that diagnosis, but at least they could've been warned what they were up against, and maybe prepare for it.

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purplerabbithole said:

There are phones...that help you talk with your parents...LOL.>

IF the doctor demanded it, then Mayte could have just done it. Prince wasn't God. He couldn't force her to do shit. It sounds like she thought about it in the car and got scared and then convinced him to take her to a hospital...Good for her. But can we stop with the 'making' rhetoric? Unless Prince was physically abusive or using force against her (via strong backed bodyguards) then her body was still her body and she had support from the doctor as well.

PennyPurple said:

Her parents didn't even live in the same State. And that Dr. at the 1st hospital demanded that Mayte was to stay there....it didn't do any good. And you're right, there is no test in the world that would have changed that diagnosis, but at least they could've been warned what they were up against, and maybe prepare for it.

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Thank you for saying this. People like to make Mayte into a victim. She made her choices for whatever reason and needs to take reponsibility for them.

I am not saying Mayte is bad either. She was in love with this man (and maybe with his money and his fame a little too, let's be honest) and she was young. But his little ass couldn't force anyone to do anything, especially in a hospital full of personel, doctors and security guards etc. His body guards weren't throwing mayte into a car, were they? At times, it feels like Mayte and Prince were both too immature to deal with this shit...(She because of her age and somewhat sheltered life, him ebcause of his paranoia/God obsessions and somewhat sheltered life.)

Purplestar88 said:

purplerabbithole said:

There are phones...that help you talk with your parents...LOL.>

IF the doctor demanded it, then Mayte could have just done it. Prince wasn't God. He couldn't force her to do shit. It sounds like she thought about it in the car and got scared and then convinced him to take her to a hospital...Good for her. But can we stop with the 'making' rhetoric? Unless Prince was physically abusive or using force against her (via strong backed bodyguards) then her body was still her body and she had support from the doctor as well.

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Thank you for saying this. People like to make Mayte into a victim. She made her choices for whatever reason and needs to take reponsibility for them.

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purplerabbithole said:

There are phones...that help you talk with your parents...LOL.> NOt to mention, if I was having bleeding issues while my pregnancy, I am about 99 percent certain my parents would have flown over from that other state to be there during an important appointment like that. They couldn't make decisions but they would have been there. (I have had medical issues in my 40's that my parents came over for).

IF the doctor demanded it, then Mayte could have just done it. Prince wasn't God. He couldn't force her to do shit. It sounds like she thought about it in the car and got scared and then convinced him to take her to a hospital...Good for her. But can we stop with "he made her do it" rhetoric? Unless Prince was physically abusive or using force against her (via strong backed bodyguards) then her body was still her body and she had support from the doctor as well. She could have said "no" I am not going anywhere.

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Can we stop with, it's her parents fault? Where the F was his parents? Everything is always Mayte's or her parents fault. Stop with that crap. Prince was controlling, we all know that. And you are assuming that she told her parents.

purplerabbithole said:

I am not saying Mayte is bad either. She was in love with this man (and maybe with his money and his fame a little too, let's be honest) and she was young. But his little ass couldn't force anyone to do anything, especially in a hospital full of personel, doctors and security guards etc. His body guards weren't throwing mayte into a car, were they?

Purplestar88 said:

Thank you for saying this. People like to make Mayte into a victim. She made her choices for whatever reason and needs to take reponsibility for them.

Well he and the dr. sure got into it, over Mayte staying. They even had to give Mayte a shot to help develop the baby's lungs and not tell him about it.

He was controlling. So how was he able to be so controlling? When did I say part of this wasn't his fault. I am saying its not all his fault. An argument with the doctor doesn't mean Mayte couldn't side with the doctor.

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

There are phones...that help you talk with your parents...LOL.> NOt to mention, if I was having bleeding issues while my pregnancy, I am about 99 percent certain my parents would have flown over from that other state to be there during an important appointment like that. They couldn't make decisions but they would have been there. (I have had medical issues in my 40's that my parents came over for).

IF the doctor demanded it, then Mayte could have just done it. Prince wasn't God. He couldn't force her to do shit. It sounds like she thought about it in the car and got scared and then convinced him to take her to a hospital...Good for her. But can we stop with "he made her do it" rhetoric? Unless Prince was physically abusive or using force against her (via strong backed bodyguards) then her body was still her body and she had support from the doctor as well. She could have said "no" I am not going anywhere.

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Can we stop with, it's her parents fault? Where the F was his parents? Everything is always Mayte's or her parents fault. Stop with that crap. Prince was controlling, we all know that. And you are assuming that she told her parents.

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Yes, I am assuming she told her parents. If she didn't, then that's her fault.

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

There are phones...that help you talk with your parents...LOL.> NOt to mention, if I was having bleeding issues while my pregnancy, I am about 99 percent certain my parents would have flown over from that other state to be there during an important appointment like that. They couldn't make decisions but they would have been there. (I have had medical issues in my 40's that my parents came over for).

IF the doctor demanded it, then Mayte could have just done it. Prince wasn't God. He couldn't force her to do shit. It sounds like she thought about it in the car and got scared and then convinced him to take her to a hospital...Good for her. But can we stop with "he made her do it" rhetoric? Unless Prince was physically abusive or using force against her (via strong backed bodyguards) then her body was still her body and she had support from the doctor as well. She could have said "no" I am not going anywhere.

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Can we stop with, it's her parents fault? Where the F was his parents? Everything is always Mayte's or her parents fault. Stop with that crap. Prince was controlling, we all know that. And you are assuming that she told her parents.

Purplestar88 said:

Thank you for saying this. People like to make Mayte into a victim. She made her choices for whatever reason and needs to take reponsibility for them.

And all the while, it was also P's responsibility. Correct? You all act like it's Mayte's fault and everybody else's fault except for P's. You have a husband and wife who are supposed to make the decisions and in this case the husband was super controlling...not even letting or wanting her stay in the hospital. WTH is wrong with that? And on the 2nd baby when she miscarried, he called the limo for her? Give me a break.

purplerabbithole said:

I am not saying Mayte is bad either. She was in love with this man (and maybe with his money and his fame a little too, let's be honest) and she was young. But his little ass couldn't force anyone to do anything, especially in a hospital full of personel, doctors and security guards etc. His body guards weren't throwing mayte into a car, were they?

Purplestar88 said:

Thank you for saying this. People like to make Mayte into a victim. She made her choices for whatever reason and needs to take reponsibility for them.

I agree with you. I am not saying she is bad either but many people left Prince if they did not agree with him or could not keep up with him so people making Mayte into a hopless victim is a joke. Love or not she made her choices just like Prince made his. He did they best he could and suffered as well.

purplerabbithole said:

He was controlling. So how was he able to be so controlling? When did I say part of this wasn't his fault. I am saying its not all his fault. An argument with the doctor doesn't mean Mayte couldn't side with the doctor.

PennyPurple said:

Can we stop with, it's her parents fault? Where the F was his parents? Everything is always Mayte's or her parents fault. Stop with that crap. Prince was controlling, we all know that. And you are assuming that she told her parents.

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Name a woman he didn't control.

No doubt-- its also P's responsibilty. But its not all his responsibility or fault when things don't go right. He made some bad choices but so did she by going along with them and not advocating for herself and her baby in the first place. If your husband is delusional and you realize it later, can you totally fault him if you were delusional right along with him. I am glad cooler heads (in this case, Mayte's) prevailed and she started doing what was right for herself and her baby (and Prince [even as insensitive as it was] still sent that limo..because a really crazy person may not have). But no one forced the Prince koolaid down her throat in the first place. Mayte admitted that she loved him enough to basically jump off a cliff with him. Fine, but if they both chose to jump off that cliff, they are both to blame.

PennyPurple said:

Purplestar88 said:

Thank you for saying this. People like to make Mayte into a victim. She made her choices for whatever reason and needs to take reponsibility for them.

And all the while, it was also P's responsibility. Correct? You all act like it's Mayte's fault and everybody else's fault except for P's. You have a husband and wife who are supposed to make the decisions and in this case the husband was super controlling...not even letting or wanting her stay in the hospital. WTH is wrong with that? And on the 2nd baby when she miscarried, he called the limo for her? Give me a break.

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Name a woman whom he 'controlled' who didn't use him in some way or the other. I am not demonizing anyone here. But Prince was still just a tiny little dude with musical talent and no history of violence or forceful oppression of others. So, his ability to control was contigent upon people being willing to be controlled because they willingly drank the Prince koolaid. Seductive as he was, he really couldn't control anyone unless part of them was willing to be controlled for whatever reason. She was complicit until she wasn't anymore.

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

He was controlling. So how was he able to be so controlling? When did I say part of this wasn't his fault. I am saying its not all his fault. An argument with the doctor doesn't mean Mayte couldn't side with the doctor.

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Name a woman he didn't control.

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Purplestar88 said:

purplerabbithole said:

I am not saying Mayte is bad either. She was in love with this man (and maybe with his money and his fame a little too, let's be honest) and she was young. But his little ass couldn't force anyone to do anything, especially in a hospital full of personel, doctors and security guards etc. His body guards weren't throwing mayte into a car, were they?

I agree with you. I am not saying she is bad either but many people left Prince if they did not agree with him or could not keep up with him so people making Mayte into a hopless victim is a joke. Love or not she made her choices just like Prince made his. He did they best he could and suffered as well.

You're right, the blame is on both of them. But let's not forget who wouldn't let her get medical care. You forget he liked the young girls because he could control them better. Prince did the best he could? C'mon Prince did what was best for him, because he really didn't want to know the truth about that baby. They knew something was wrong and he didn't want to believe it and if he would have agreed to the testing it would have confirmed that there were indeed problems with the baby. And what the hell is wrong with a husband who wouldn't agree to his wife getting medical care? That's what you all should be asking yourself.

I'm really getting tired of every thread turning into Mayte and blaming her for everything. This thread is actually about Mani. How it turns into Mayte all the time is beyond me. This was all discussed in the damn book thread. Don't know why we have to keep going over it....Nevermind...I do know why, for some reason there is a hate towards Mayte and the haters never fail to bring her up and now it gets added to because its her parents fault too. LMAO