Vashtix said:

Prince was brought up around and in the church. It was fine for someone of faith to assist in bringing him out from the "wilderness". The baby 's death was part of a number of things that gave him pause in that decade. Prince came out of all of that fog of the 90s a strong, fine, genius. He was just refined. I loved that Prince. He was delish.

Yup, most of us who are nearly Prince's age were brought up in and around the church. I agree that he became more refined and I was intrigued to witness his journey.

babynoz said:

Vashtix said:

Prince was brought up around and in the church. It was fine for someone of faith to assist in bringing him out from the "wilderness". The baby 's death was part of a number of things that gave him pause in that decade. Prince came out of all of that fog of the 90s a strong, fine, genius. He was just refined. I loved that Prince. He was delish.

Yup, most of us who are nearly Prince's age were brought up in and around the church. I agree that he became more refined and I was intrigued to witness his journey.

We did witness it and it was fun too. Looking at the man he was when he died was different to the man who did the Gold Experience. He really did grow before our eyes. My regret is not Larry but the memoir. I am sorry he did not get to do his own story because others will put their spin on his truth and that is sad.

Vashtix said:

babynoz said:

Yup, most of us who are nearly Prince's age were brought up in and around the church. I agree that he became more refined and I was intrigued to witness his journey.

We did witness it and it was fun too. Looking at the man he was when he died was different to the man who did the Gold Experience. He really did grow before our eyes. My regret is not Larry but the memoir. I am sorry he did not get to do his own story because others will put their spin on his truth and that is sad.

Absolutely!

I would still love to see those fifty pages that we were told about.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

You mean the abyss.

naw other places good

I think with Prince's 'fantasy' music culture, the direction Larry opened for him actually helped him to be in denial, and avoidance.

babynoz said:

Larry's a good musician and was a good friend to Prince; however, I don't follow the JW teachings. If it helped him during that rough time in his life, then that's wonderful, but I don't think he needed Larry or the JW to do that. I also think the JW used Prince for his money.

Those people who don't like Larry Graham should sit and have a chat with him at least once before they 4m an opinion on him.

Then they can decide.

cloveringold85 said:

Larry's a good musician and was a good friend to Prince;

and thats all that matters imho

databank said:

Those people who don't like Larry Graham should sit and have a chat with him at least once before they 4m an opinion on him.

Then they can decide.

You realize you're talking to the same people who already have Kirk strapped to a gurney, ready to give him the lethal injection without benefit of a trial?

rdhull said:

cloveringold85 said:

Larry's a good musician and was a good friend to Prince;

and thats all that matters imho

That is all that matters but Prince has never been allowed to be his own person on the org. He has to reflect everybody's projections, fetishes and fantasies of what he is supposed to be, think or believe.

babynoz said:

rdhull said:

and thats all that matters imho

That is all that matters but Prince has never been allowed to be his own person on the org. He has to reflect everybody's projections, fetishes and fantasies of what he is supposed to be, think or believe.

Thank you Babynoz!!

babynoz said:

rdhull said:

and thats all that matters imho

That is all that matters but Prince has never been allowed to be his own person on the org. He has to reflect everybody's projections, fetishes and fantasies of what he is supposed to be, think or believe.

What happens/happened on the org was and is no matter in the life of Prince and he lived that way. The org denezins, me included, indeeed whined, cried, asked, demanded, etc things we wanted fomr the man. ut thankfully, he did what he wanted to do anyways, AND, adid try to appease us with some things in his career such as PP parties, certain guitar, paino based tours, etc etc. But the perosnal stuff that folks made comments on and opinions on etc, he really didnt give a dman, and rightfully so. He did comment on it yes but still was making perosnal decision with his people in his life based on what us nuts thought (One example of this was him commenting in the song Love form 3121 "smile at my friends when you say you hate 'em" or saomething like that).

rdhull said:

anangellooksdown said:

rdhull said:

What happens/happened on the org was and is no matter in the life of Prince and he lived that way. The org denezins, me included, indeeed whined, cried, asked, demanded, etc things we wanted fomr the man. ut thankfully, he did what he wanted to do anyways, AND, adid try to appease us with some things in his career such as PP parties, certain guitar, paino based tours, etc etc. But the perosnal stuff that folks made comments on and opinions on etc, he really didnt give a dman, and rightfully so. He did comment on it yes but still was making perosnal decision with his people in his life based on what us nuts thought (One example of this was him commenting in the song Love form 3121 "smile at my friends when you say you hate 'em" or saomething like that).

This is one of the things I love the most about Prince. He was who he was and never let anyone dictate to him who he should be. That's courage. He just tried not to hurt anybody, and lived his life as he felt he should - AND wanted to. That should be a great lesson to us all.

Yes, he was brave, giving, but he def was not a saint in his personal life. Ill just leave it at that. Im not saying he was all bad or all good. He was human, flawed. Like us all. He had great work ethic, talent, and such. We were lucky to get something like we did out of him.

Where he found comfort and friendship was his business, always gonna be his business, and whether anyone liked it or felt it did this or that to his output, life decisions, doesnt mean fuck all.

Vashtix said:

babynoz said:

Yup, most of us who are nearly Prince's age were brought up in and around the church. I agree that he became more refined and I was intrigued to witness his journey.

We did witness it and it was fun too. Looking at the man he was when he died was different to the man who did the Gold Experience. He really did grow before our eyes. My regret is not Larry but the memoir. I am sorry he did not get to do his own story because others will put their spin on his truth and that is sad.

I was so looking forward to this! I hope they publish whatever he wrote, no matter how little of it was complete- I just want to read some of it.

rdhull said:

I liked Larry Graham.....before he became Prince's buddy I have alot of his 70s music with Graham Central Station and of course,I like when he was in Sly and The Family Stone.But once he became opening for Prince and hanging around him,he began to annoy me for some reason.

SoulAlive said:

I liked Larry Graham.....before he became Prince's buddy I have alot of his 70s music with Graham Central Station and of course,I like when he was in Sly and The Family Stone.But once he became opening for Prince and hanging around him,he began to annoy me for some reason.

I get that because it seems like he could have been riding the coattails of Princes fame and fans etc.

But others seem to have aded issues about how it was him who made Prince change his sound, lyrics etc. And I get that too but ultimately even that was Princes decison to heed to that influence (if it WAS larrys influence directly etc).

rdhull said:

babynoz said:

That is all that matters but Prince has never been allowed to be his own person on the org. He has to reflect everybody's projections, fetishes and fantasies of what he is supposed to be, think or believe.

What happens/happened on the org was and is no matter in the life of Prince and he lived that way. The org denezins, me included, indeeed whined, cried, asked, demanded, etc things we wanted fomr the man. ut thankfully, he did what he wanted to do anyways, AND, adid try to appease us with some things in his career such as PP parties, certain guitar, paino based tours, etc etc. But the perosnal stuff that folks made comments on and opinions on etc, he really didnt give a dman, and rightfully so. He did comment on it yes but still was making perosnal decision with his people in his life based on what us nuts thought (One example of this was him commenting in the song Love form 3121 "smile at my friends when you say you hate 'em" or saomething like that).

I believe that no one is above criticism but much of the time the pissing, moaning, whining and garment rending on the org was way over the top. I'm sure it annoyed me more than it did him.


Opinions are one thing but too many just make stuff up as they go along with no regard to whether or not there is a factual basis for their commentary.

Even with regard to Larry people were on here saying that he prevented Prince from getting proper treatment, etc, etc....wtf?

rdhull said:

SoulAlive said:

I liked Larry Graham.....before he became Prince's buddy I have alot of his 70s music with Graham Central Station and of course,I like when he was in Sly and The Family Stone.But once he became opening for Prince and hanging around him,he began to annoy me for some reason.

I get that because it seems like he could have been riding the coattails of Princes fame and fans etc.

But others seem to have aded issues about how it was him who made Prince change his sound, lyrics etc. And I get that too but ultimately even that was Princes decison to heed to that influence (if it WAS larrys influence directly etc).

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Your sig, the russians killed Prince, Alzheimer's and the Devil.... LMAO!!

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[Edited 5/25/17 14:17pm]

Prince was too busy with his music to be bothered sitting here reading what Orgers have to say about him, LMAO!!

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I'm sure he would read stuff occasionally, if he wanted a good laugh.

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Prince said: "I can take criticism about my music, but I can't take people telling lies about my life."

cloveringold85 said:

rdhull said:

I get that because it seems like he could have been riding the coattails of Princes fame and fans etc.

But others seem to have aded issues about how it was him who made Prince change his sound, lyrics etc. And I get that too but ultimately even that was Princes decison to heed to that influence (if it WAS larrys influence directly etc).

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Your sig, the russians killed Prince, Alzheimer's and the Devil.... LMAO!!

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[Edited 5/25/17 14:17pm]

Well thats whats being claimed in the P:M&M forum. It's a madhouse and I odnt mean madhouse 8 either

rdhull said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Your sig, the russians killed Prince, Alzheimer's and the Devil.... LMAO!!

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[Edited 5/25/17 14:17pm]

Well thats whats being claimed in the P:M&M forum. It's a madhouse and I odnt mean madhouse 8 either

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Woo, M&M Forum?! What am I missing??!! LOL

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rdhull said:

cloveringold85 said:

Larry's a good musician and was a good friend to Prince;

and thats all that matters imho

Agreed.

cloveringold85 said:

rdhull said:

Well thats whats being claimed in the P:M&M forum. It's a madhouse and I odnt mean madhouse 8 either

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Woo, M&M Forum?! What am I missing??!! LOL

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cloveringold85 said:

Prince was too busy with his music to be bothered sitting here reading what Orgers have to say about him, LMAO!!

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I'm sure he would read stuff occasionally, if he wanted a good laugh.

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Prince said: "I can take criticism about my music, but I can't take people telling lies about my life."

With all the Love Prince gave to us, there should have never been any lies or criticizm of his life directed toward him by anyone Larry's music was cool but no matter who it is, I dislike it when someone seems to set up someone to conform to their view of things. IDK it's just a feeling I've had for many years, that some BIG moves that Prince may have been heavily influenced by Larry and his camp. But we all have free will, it's just a shame when pure hearts are deceived or tricked to believe something for the gain of others in general

BirminghamBlues said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Larry is just another person who did nothing in his so called "best friends" ultimate time of need. And I know you are going to say "you don't know what he did" but I know he was not screaming to the heavens and the press that prince needed help ASAP, like all the rest, he left that sleeping beast in the dark and it killed his "best friend". I promise you my best friend is not dying alone in an elevator with their clothes on backwards (unless it was a heart attack while bumping). What I am saying is like all of princes other best friends Larry was not willing to rock the boat for fear of being kicked from the inner circle. The consequence as we all know is there is no more circle...and if he didn't know there was a problem, than you were not best friends, so quit saying it...

Your insider imformation is stunningly made up. It's almost as if you believe the non facts you are presenting.

cloveringold85 said: