PennyPurple said:

Ottensen said:

luvgirl said:

This was a bold song to make to be sure. The man was shameless. Can we even call it a song though? Lol. I just think he wanted to tell her something... (Girl, I'm still thinking about you,) lol. Only Prince could get away with doing something like that. My favorite part is when he says I love you. For those who've never heard it, I know it was out of circulation for a while, he's not singing when he says it. He makes a point to stop singing and just says out loud to Vanity... I Love You. I wonder what Vanity thought about it when she heard it???

As an aside, I feel for whoever was his main girlfriend at that time. If that was my man and he made a song like that showcasing the girl's orgasm that everyone thought was his soulmate, and everyone thought he would marry, and then saying I love you to her. I would have had a fit!!!
[Edited 4/20/17 7:17am]

One could also argue that if that was indeed Vanity's voice on the Come album, where its funeral/burial themes conceptually represented the death of Prince as we formerly knew him in "flesh", that along with other facets of himself represented on the record (his childhood trauma issues, his overt sexual ways, and other facets of the OLD Prince's existence) that this was just one more demon or representative of his old self that he was killing off.

luvgirl said:

Ottensen said:

One could also argue that if that was indeed Vanity's voice on the Come album, where its funeral/burial themes conceptually represented the death of Prince as we formerly knew him in "flesh", that along with other facets of himself represented on the record (his childhood trauma issues, his overt sexual ways, and other facets of the OLD Prince's existence) that this was just one more demon or representative of his old self that he was killing off.

It was Vanity's voice. It's widely known. It's her vocals/moans taken from her unreleased song Vibrator. You can hear that it's the same exact moans from that song, as well as being credited for the collaboration on the vault http://www.princevault.co...tle=Orgasm and noted as such on other track recording notations. It's a valid point you make that it could have been another demon or representative of his old self that he was killing off in concur to the album theme. Although, if that truly was the case, it would appear that he was trying to obliterate whatever passions he still carried for her so many years later, and by saying I love you, his emotional attachment to her. Doesn't mean he was successful though...

A side note: Prince named the original full-length version of the track Poem. http://www.princevault.co...tle=Orgasm Such a beautiful name to call it.
[Edited 4/23/17 9:31am]

Goddess4Real said:

Goddess4Real said:

I am one of those insane people who still thinks Vanity ws the one and only for him and he never got over her. Moved on with life, lived his life, but she was the one that got away and he never got passed the fact they just couldn't/didn't make it work.

I heard about the Melbourne concert as it was happening and how he was and that sealed it for me.

I will always believe his heart broke the night she died and he lost a reason for remaining.

I think they are together now and that is how it was always meant to be.

BklynDiamond said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Goddess4Real said:

Secrets behind Prince’s last Australian tour, a year on from his death http://www.heraldsun.com....037e73cbaa

It's a long article so I will just post the Vanity refs here....

Hours before his first Australian gig, Prince learnt his ex-girlfriend Vanity (real name Denise Matthews) had died in the US, aged 57, due to renal failure.

The pair had met in 1980, with Prince bestowing the stage name of Vanity as he felt looking at her was like looking at the female version of himself.

She’d go on to inspire some of his biggest early hits, including Little Red Corvette. He also created a band around her, Vanity 6, for which he wrote songs and produced.

Vanity was originally cast as the female lead in Prince’s star-making film Purple Rain in 1984, but when the pair split shortly before filming started, she was replaced by Apollonia — another singer Prince had renamed.

After splitting with Prince, Vanity dated Adam Ant and Billy Idol. Motley Crue rocker Nikki Sixx wrote in his memoirs about going on crack cocaine binges with her in 1987. After a 1994 overdose, Vanity reverted back to Denise and became a born-again Christian.

By the time she died in a California hospital, Matthews had long needed to undergo an hour of dialysis each day.

The news of her passing shattered Prince. He lingered in his hotel room, getting to the first show a little later than planned — even operating on Princetime, he was usually a very punctual performer.

“He literally found out a few hours before he was due on stage,” Dainty reveals. “One of the guys around him said, ‘Oh, we’ve got a problem’. It was breaking news in the afternoon, our time.

“We were all a little bit concerned — his bodyguard and his assistant. That was a very unfortunate day. You wouldn’t have been surprised if you’d got the call saying he needs to postpone the show for 24 hours, he’s too much in grief. But he went on. He was very emotional on stage.”

Within moments of walking on stage that night, Prince stated: “I just found out someone dear to us has passed away, I’m gonna dedicated this song to her.”

He then launched into Little Red Corvette, with a touch of Dirty Mind.

He also changed the name “Electra” in The Ladder to “Vanity” and tweaked the lyrics to state: “He had a subject named Vanity, he loved her with a passion uncontested, one day her smile went away.”

After the encore, Prince told the audience: “I am new to this playing alone. I thank you all for being patient. I’m trying to stay focused, it’s a little heavy for me tonight ... she knows about this one.”

He then played Purple Rain’s The Beautiful Ones (ending the song whispering “Denise, Denise”), before veering off script.

“Can I tell you a story about Vanity? Or should I tell you a story about Denise? Her and I used to love each other deeply. She loved me for the artist I was, I loved her for the artist she was trying to be.

“As much as we loved we used to fight, she was very headstrong because she knew she was the finest woman in the world. She never missed the opportunity to tell you that as well.”

He shared a tale of a fight where he had threatened to throw her in a pool.

“Back then I used to have a best friend security guard, his name was Chick (Huntsberry). Chick was six foot six and all muscle, except for his stomach, where he kept an assortment of fried foods.

“One day Vanity and I got into a fight, I told her that if she didn’t stop I’d throw her in the pool. She said ‘You can’t throw me in that pool you’re too little’. So I said ‘Chick, throw her in the pool’. I probably shouldn’t be telling you that story but I’m sure she’d want us to celebrate her life.”

Morgan says the show was unlike any Prince had ever done.

“He never really talks about people in his past,” Morgan says. “He was a very private person. A lot of the songs he played that night were about her. I’d never seen him that open and full of emotion.

“In hindsight it felt like he was winding something up. With the talk of him writing a memoir, which is something you never thought he’d do, he’d toned down his clothing. He wore the same outfit for every show on that tour. That is weird for Prince. He was doing his own hair and make-up. He was talking about his father. He was getting older. He wasn’t as agile on stage.

“But I didn’t realise he was going to die a few months later.”

After that first show, some fans complained that Prince played for only 80 minutes, not two hours.

“I didn’t pay $400 to hear Prince being sad,” one not-so-sympathetic fan was overheard saying in the foyer.

Vanity’s death also curtailed Prince’s usual afterparties — in the past he’d perform a whole other show after his ‘public’ concert.

“He was grieving in Melbourne,” Dainty explains. “He turned up, he did the shows, he went back to the hotel. The second night in Melbourne he went to a club, but he didn’t perform. He danced a bit until 3am, then left. Otherwise he was at the venue 30 minutes before showtime, that was it. We had the dressing room set up beautifully for him. I think he maybe sat in it for 10 minutes.”

Thanks for posting this. I saw this concert on yt a while back...he was very sad and did have a tough time singing, he played more pianbut you could feel his sadness over the loss.

Thanks for sharing you were there and Goddess thanks for the snippets of the article.

Whenever I read of people who were there they all say it was sad and you could feel the thickness of his grief in the atmosphere.

BklynDiamond said:

I am one of those insane people who still thinks Vanity ws the one and only for him and he never got over her. Moved on with life, lived his life, but she was the one that got away and he never got passed the fact they just couldn't/didn't make it work.

I heard about the Melbourne concert as it was happening and how he was and that sealed it for me.

I will always believe his heart broke the night she died and he lost a reason for remaining.

I think they are together now and that is how it was always meant to be.

His death so close to hers sealed it for me. He never moved on his heart. So I am insane, a fool, living in a fairytale too.

Much respect to you in your insanity and I will also relish in mine

They were just 2 ships that passed in the night. Much like the others in his harem.

PennyPurple said:

They were just 2 ships that passed in the night. Much like the others in his harem.

They did not just pass in the night. They made cultural history with the iconic Rolling Stone Cover and Nasty Girls.

I do not understand the need to belittle Vanity's contribution to the image building of Prince but the Rolling Stone Cover did so much for them both. Prince was brilliant for allowing her to be on the cover with him.

Vanity 6, The Time and Prince the triple threat tour is where Purple Rain seeped from. These people all rode buses did tours and worked their behinds off . Prince was the master mind but he had the right pieces.

No one is saying Vanity was a soulmate but she was who she was and when the splashing was going on over Prince when he first came to the glare of the public she and the others I mentioned were there including Jill Jones and Jamie and none of them were ships passing in the night. NONE.

SO, for whatever reason Vanity needs to be erased from the pop history I am very sorry but she and that whole crew cannot be ships that passed in the night. That Rolling Stone cover, Purple Rain and that iconic Triple Threat Tour are legendary and she was part of it.

luvgirl said:

Goddess4Real said:

Secrets behind Prince’s last Australian tour, a year on from his death http://www.heraldsun.com....037e73cbaa

It's a long article so I will just post the Vanity refs here....

Hours before his first Australian gig, Prince learnt his ex-girlfriend Vanity (real name Denise Matthews) had died in the US, aged 57, due to renal failure.

The pair had met in 1980, with Prince bestowing the stage name of Vanity as he felt looking at her was like looking at the female version of himself.

She’d go on to inspire some of his biggest early hits, including Little Red Corvette. He also created a band around her, Vanity 6, for which he wrote songs and produced.

Vanity was originally cast as the female lead in Prince’s star-making film Purple Rain in 1984, but when the pair split shortly before filming started, she was replaced by Apollonia — another singer Prince had renamed.

After splitting with Prince, Vanity dated Adam Ant and Billy Idol. Motley Crue rocker Nikki Sixx wrote in his memoirs about going on crack cocaine binges with her in 1987. After a 1994 overdose, Vanity reverted back to Denise and became a born-again Christian.

By the time she died in a California hospital, Matthews had long needed to undergo an hour of dialysis each day.

The news of her passing shattered Prince. He lingered in his hotel room, getting to the first show a little later than planned — even operating on Princetime, he was usually a very punctual performer.

“He literally found out a few hours before he was due on stage,” Dainty reveals. “One of the guys around him said, ‘Oh, we’ve got a problem’. It was breaking news in the afternoon, our time.

“We were all a little bit concerned — his bodyguard and his assistant. That was a very unfortunate day. You wouldn’t have been surprised if you’d got the call saying he needs to postpone the show for 24 hours, he’s too much in grief. But he went on. He was very emotional on stage.”

Within moments of walking on stage that night, Prince stated: “I just found out someone dear to us has passed away, I’m gonna dedicated this song to her.”

He then launched into Little Red Corvette, with a touch of Dirty Mind.

He also changed the name “Electra” in The Ladder to “Vanity” and tweaked the lyrics to state: “[color=darkred]He had a subject named Vanity, he loved her with a passion uncontested,[/color] one day her smile went away.”

After the encore, Prince told the audience: “I am new to this playing alone. I thank you all for being patient. I’m trying to stay focused, it’s a little heavy for me tonight ... she knows about this one.”

He then played Purple Rain’s The Beautiful Ones (ending the song whispering “Denise, Denise”), before veering off script.

“Can I tell you a story about Vanity? Or should I tell you a story about Denise? Her and I used to love each other deeply. She loved me for the artist I was, I loved her for the artist she was trying to be.

“As much as we loved we used to fight, she was very headstrong because she knew she was the finest woman in the world. She never missed the opportunity to tell you that as well.”

He shared a tale of a fight where he had threatened to throw her in a pool.

“Back then I used to have a best friend security guard, his name was Chick (Huntsberry). Chick was six foot six and all muscle, except for his stomach, where he kept an assortment of fried foods.

“One day Vanity and I got into a fight, I told her that if she didn’t stop I’d throw her in the pool. She said ‘You can’t throw me in that pool you’re too little’. So I said ‘Chick, throw her in the pool’. I probably shouldn’t be telling you that story but I’m sure she’d want us to celebrate her life.”

Morgan says the show was unlike any Prince had ever done.

“He never really talks about people in his past,” Morgan says. “He was a very private person. A lot of the songs he played that night were about her. I’d never seen him that open and full of emotion.

“In hindsight it felt like he was winding something up. With the talk of him writing a memoir, which is something you never thought he’d do, he’d toned down his clothing. He wore the same outfit for every show on that tour. That is weird for Prince. He was doing his own hair and make-up. He was talking about his father. He was getting older. He wasn’t as agile on stage.

“But I didn’t realise he was going to die a few months later.”

After that first show, some fans complained that Prince played for only 80 minutes, not two hours.

“I didn’t pay $400 to hear Prince being sad,” one not-so-sympathetic fan was overheard saying in the foyer.

Vanity’s death also curtailed Prince’s usual afterparties — in the past he’d perform a whole other show after his ‘public’ concert.

“He was grieving in Melbourne,” Dainty explains. “He turned up, he did the shows, he went back to the hotel. The second night in Melbourne he went to a club, but he didn’t perform. He danced a bit until 3am, then left. Otherwise he was at the venue 30 minutes before showtime, that was it. We had the dressing room set up beautifully for him. I think he maybe sat in it for 10 minutes.”

He also changed the name “Electra” in The Ladder to “Vanity” and tweaked the lyrics to state: “He had a subject named Vanity, HE LOVED HER WITH A PASSION UNCONTESTED,

Wow, I heard his tribute to her a few times and did not even process that he changed the lyrics to The Ladder from saying "She loved him with a passion uncontested" to saying He loved her with a passion uncontested, until going over this article now. [Edited 4/23/17 12:49pm]

Wait, how many times have I heard this concert? SO MANY. I never ever once picked up on this! I always heard it as "she" and "him". I had to go listen again and sure enough it's "he" and "her".

purplegirl00 said:

luvgirl said:

Goddess4Real said: Wow, I heard his tribute to her a few times and did not even process that he changed the lyrics to The Ladder from saying "She loved him with a passion uncontested" to saying He loved her with a passion uncontested, until going over this article now. [Edited 4/23/17 12:49pm]

Wait, how many times have I heard this concert? SO MANY. I never ever once picked up on this! I always heard it as "she" and "him". I had to go listen again and sure enough it's "he" and "her".

[Edited 4/23/17 15:49pm]

Vashtix said:

PennyPurple said:

They were just 2 ships that passed in the night. Much like the others in his harem.

They did not just pass in the night. They made cultural history with the iconic Rolling Stone Cover and Nasty Girls.

I do not understand the need to belittle Vanity's contribution to the image building of Prince but the Rolling Stone Cover did so much for them both. Prince was brilliant for allowing her to be on the cover with him.

Vanity 6, The Time and Prince the triple threat tour is where Purple Rain seeped from. These people all rode buses did tours and worked their behinds off . Prince was the master mind but he had the right pieces.

No one is saying Vanity was a soulmate but she was who she was and when the splashing was going on over Prince when he first came to the glare of the public she and the others I mentioned were there including Jill Jones and Jamie and none of them were ships passing in the night. NONE.

SO, for whatever reason Vanity needs to be erased from the pop history I am very sorry but she and that whole crew cannot be ships that passed in the night. That Rolling Stone cover, Purple Rain and that iconic Triple Threat Tour are legendary and she was part of it.

HUH? This entire thread is about Vanity being his soulmate/twin flame. OMG

PennyPurple said:

Vashtix said:

They did not just pass in the night. They made cultural history with the iconic Rolling Stone Cover and Nasty Girls.

I do not understand the need to belittle Vanity's contribution to the image building of Prince but the Rolling Stone Cover did so much for them both. Prince was brilliant for allowing her to be on the cover with him.

Vanity 6, The Time and Prince the triple threat tour is where Purple Rain seeped from. These people all rode buses did tours and worked their behinds off . Prince was the master mind but he had the right pieces.

No one is saying Vanity was a soulmate but she was who she was and when the splashing was going on over Prince when he first came to the glare of the public she and the others I mentioned were there including Jill Jones and Jamie and none of them were ships passing in the night. NONE.

SO, for whatever reason Vanity needs to be erased from the pop history I am very sorry but she and that whole crew cannot be ships that passed in the night. That Rolling Stone cover, Purple Rain and that iconic Triple Threat Tour are legendary and she was part of it.

HUH? This entire thread is about Vanity being his soulmate/twin flame. OMG

Soulmate is different than a twin flame. This thread is about Prince being sad when Vanity married and when she died. I brought in the twin flame aspect because there was a debate about soulmate status and I think Prince and Denise were twin flames.

Their lives mirrored and parallel even their deaths

moonsister said:

purplegirl00 said:

BklynDiamond said:

luvgirl said:

purplegirl00 said:

luvgirl said:

Goddess4Real said:

Secrets behind Prince’s last Australian tour, a year on from his death http://www.heraldsun.com....037e73cbaa

It's a long article so I will just post the Vanity refs here....

Hours before his first Australian gig, Prince learnt his ex-girlfriend Vanity (real name Denise Matthews) had died in the US, aged 57, due to renal failure.

The pair had met in 1980, with Prince bestowing the stage name of Vanity as he felt looking at her was like looking at the female version of himself.

She’d go on to inspire some of his biggest early hits, including Little Red Corvette. He also created a band around her, Vanity 6, for which he wrote songs and produced.

Vanity was originally cast as the female lead in Prince’s star-making film Purple Rain in 1984, but when the pair split shortly before filming started, she was replaced by Apollonia — another singer Prince had renamed.

After splitting with Prince, Vanity dated Adam Ant and Billy Idol. Motley Crue rocker Nikki Sixx wrote in his memoirs about going on crack cocaine binges with her in 1987. After a 1994 overdose, Vanity reverted back to Denise and became a born-again Christian.

By the time she died in a California hospital, Matthews had long needed to undergo an hour of dialysis each day.

The news of her passing shattered Prince. He lingered in his hotel room, getting to the first show a little later than planned — even operating on Princetime, he was usually a very punctual performer.

“He literally found out a few hours before he was due on stage,” Dainty reveals. “One of the guys around him said, ‘Oh, we’ve got a problem’. It was breaking news in the afternoon, our time.

“We were all a little bit concerned — his bodyguard and his assistant. That was a very unfortunate day. You wouldn’t have been surprised if you’d got the call saying he needs to postpone the show for 24 hours, he’s too much in grief. But he went on. He was very emotional on stage.”

Within moments of walking on stage that night, Prince stated: “I just found out someone dear to us has passed away, I’m gonna dedicated this song to her.”

He then launched into Little Red Corvette, with a touch of Dirty Mind.

He also changed the name “Electra” in The Ladder to “Vanity” and tweaked the lyrics to state: “[color=darkred]He had a subject named Vanity, he loved her with a passion uncontested,[/color] one day her smile went away.”

After the encore, Prince told the audience: “I am new to this playing alone. I thank you all for being patient. I’m trying to stay focused, it’s a little heavy for me tonight ... she knows about this one.”

He then played Purple Rain’s The Beautiful Ones (ending the song whispering “Denise, Denise”), before veering off script.

“Can I tell you a story about Vanity? Or should I tell you a story about Denise? Her and I used to love each other deeply. She loved me for the artist I was, I loved her for the artist she was trying to be.

“As much as we loved we used to fight, she was very headstrong because she knew she was the finest woman in the world. She never missed the opportunity to tell you that as well.”

He shared a tale of a fight where he had threatened to throw her in a pool.

“Back then I used to have a best friend security guard, his name was Chick (Huntsberry). Chick was six foot six and all muscle, except for his stomach, where he kept an assortment of fried foods.

“One day Vanity and I got into a fight, I told her that if she didn’t stop I’d throw her in the pool. She said ‘You can’t throw me in that pool you’re too little’. So I said ‘Chick, throw her in the pool’. I probably shouldn’t be telling you that story but I’m sure she’d want us to celebrate her life.”

Morgan says the show was unlike any Prince had ever done.

“He never really talks about people in his past,” Morgan says. “He was a very private person. A lot of the songs he played that night were about her. I’d never seen him that open and full of emotion.

“In hindsight it felt like he was winding something up. With the talk of him writing a memoir, which is something you never thought he’d do, he’d toned down his clothing. He wore the same outfit for every show on that tour. That is weird for Prince. He was doing his own hair and make-up. He was talking about his father. He was getting older. He wasn’t as agile on stage.

“But I didn’t realise he was going to die a few months later.”

After that first show, some fans complained that Prince played for only 80 minutes, not two hours.

“I didn’t pay $400 to hear Prince being sad,” one not-so-sympathetic fan was overheard saying in the foyer.

Vanity’s death also curtailed Prince’s usual afterparties — in the past he’d perform a whole other show after his ‘public’ concert.

“He was grieving in Melbourne,” Dainty explains. “He turned up, he did the shows, he went back to the hotel. The second night in Melbourne he went to a club, but he didn’t perform. He danced a bit until 3am, then left. Otherwise he was at the venue 30 minutes before showtime, that was it. We had the dressing room set up beautifully for him. I think he maybe sat in it for 10 minutes.”

He also changed the name “Electra” in The Ladder to “Vanity” and tweaked the lyrics to state: “He had a subject named Vanity, HE LOVED HER WITH A PASSION UNCONTESTED,

Wow, I heard his tribute to her a few times and did not even process that he changed the lyrics to The Ladder from saying "She loved him with a passion uncontested" to saying He loved her with a passion uncontested, until going over this article now. [Edited 4/23/17 12:49pm]

Wait, how many times have I heard this concert? SO MANY. I never ever once picked up on this! I always heard it as "she" and "him". I had to go listen again and sure enough it's "he" and "her".

I know right! I had to go back and listen to it also. I thought it might have been a misprint. But he said it! That was so special to hear.

I just listened again. I cannot believe it but I heard it; heartbreaking and tragic and then weeks later he too was gone. Nothing is a coincidence. IDK meanings of things but this caught me off guard.

luvgirl said:

There are Vanity refs in Mayte's The Most Beautiful: My Life With Prince

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[Edited 4/23/17 23:32pm]

[Edited 4/24/17 0:56am]

Goddess4Real said:

PennyPurple said:

Vashtix said:

BklynDiamond said:

I am one of those insane people who still thinks Vanity ws the one and only for him and he never got over her. Moved on with life, lived his life, but she was the one that got away and he never got passed the fact they just couldn't/didn't make it work.

I heard about the Melbourne concert as it was happening and how he was and that sealed it for me.

I will always believe his heart broke the night she died and he lost a reason for remaining.

I think they are together now and that is how it was always meant to be.

His death so close to hers sealed it for me. He never moved on his heart. So I am insane, a fool, living in a fairytale too.

Much respect to you in your insanity and I will also relish in mine

We can be insane together. She was more to him (IMO) than any of the others. He looked after her afterwards, paid her hospital bills, checked on her (documented during those times).

Also, Morris, who was still close to him, made a point of stating they are together again. I think it was more than just their passing, but I think Morris knew Prince never got over her. Never got over the fact that he messed that up and could never seem to make it right again.

He loved her with a passion uncontested, and I think that ticks off those in other "camps".

Why didn't Prince attend her memorial?

Vashtix said:

PennyPurple said:

Why didn't Prince attend her memorial?

It sounds like he did ...they said he sat in the church balcony and left early....

Militant was talking about it in this thread... http://prince.org/msg/7/424816