purplerabbithole said:

Gee, no answer...interesting.

So, Prince's contributions don't matter, i guess.

purplerabbithole said:

mediumdry said: what did Prince contribute to Purple Rain other than lyrics and a guitar solo? I am kind of confused about what people on this thread think about his contribution relatively speaking,

Since you called yourself a 'newbie' you probably should understand that many of us here have discussed your question talked about it rejoiced in it talked about debated it over and over

remember I posted this here already

Purple Rain

1. Let's Go Crazy is a live rendition with full band and later studio edits and teaks

2. Take Me With U is a full band recording(studio) with Jill Jones/Lisa underneath Prince/Apollonia's vocals David Coleman Suzi Katayama Novi Novog

3. The Beautiful Ones -ALL Prince

4. Computer Blue -full band studio recording

5. Darling Nikki -ALL Prince

6. When Doves Cry -ALL Prince

7. I Would Die 4 U -full band recording (combination live/studio) I think Sheila E/Juan Escovedo might be on it, but they are on the extended release version w/Eddie M

8. Baby I'm a Star -full band recording (combination live/studio) David Coleman Suzi Katayama Novi Novog

9. Purple Rain -full band recording (combination live/studio) David Coleman Suzi Katayama Novi Novog(string arrangements by Lisa Coleman)

Just a little help for you. When you cut in paste a link from the Org

you have to type the link

or all a person will see is

ComputerWorld article on Lawsuits

purplerabbithole said:

Here is the link... its reply 61

http://prince.org/msg/7/3...?&pg=3

Also, I was wondering what did Prince do on Purple rain? What do you think?

OldFriends4Sale said:

1. I saw nothing, no 'thread title' nor 'url link' that I could find it

OldFriends4Sale said:

What about the song? Who wrote what?

Cool.
I read it again and don't see what the problem is.
As what you called yourself 'a newbie' what problem did you have with Errants post?

read reply #97

Just make sure U read everything correctly.

This is pretty spot on appraisal of it all IMO.

Co-Sign ...

purplerabbithole said:

Here is the link... its reply 61

http://prince.org/msg/7/3...?&pg=3

Also, I was wondering what did Prince do on Purple rain? What do you think?

OldFriends4Sale said:

1. I saw nothing, no 'thread title' nor 'url link' that I could find it

* MOD Edit *
http://prince.org/msg/7/3...?&pg=3

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

What do U mean what did he do?

I've already made posts in this thread about Prince & Purple Rain, not to mention
Prince & the Purple Rain era

Prince the Purple Rain movie

Prince the Purple Rain tour

Prince and the Purple Rain music

Prince Sheila E and the Glamorous Life
Prince the Time & Ice Cream Castles

Prince & Apollonia 6

all laid out 4 ya

What about the song? Who wrote what?

all laid out 4 ya

I asked about the song not the album.. I asked about his specific contribution. Not a list of credit. You already posted this.

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplerabbithole said:

Gee, no answer...interesting.

So, Prince's contributions don't matter, i guess.

Since you called yourself a 'newbie' you probably should understand that many of us here have discussed your question talked about it rejoiced in it talked about debated it over and over

remember I posted this here already

Purple Rain

1. Let's Go Crazy is a live rendition with full band and later studio edits and teaks

2. Take Me With U is a full band recording(studio) with Jill Jones/Lisa underneath Prince/Apollonia's vocals David Coleman Suzi Katayama Novi Novog

3. The Beautiful Ones -ALL Prince

4. Computer Blue -full band studio recording

5. Darling Nikki -ALL Prince

6. When Doves Cry -ALL Prince

7. I Would Die 4 U -full band recording (combination live/studio) I think Sheila E/Juan Escovedo might be on it, but they are on the extended release version w/Eddie M

8. Baby I'm a Star -full band recording (combination live/studio) David Coleman Suzi Katayama Novi Novog

9. Purple Rain -full band recording (combination live/studio) David Coleman Suzi Katayama Novi Novog(string arrangements by Lisa Coleman)

I'm saying in specific threads I posted all the information about the recording of the song, inspiration background movie connection Prince's thought on it etc

Prince & the Revolution @ 1st Avenue 8.3.1983

Prince @ 1st Avenue 8.3.1983 Benefit Concert

I did a specific thread on the song that I'm looking for

We've discussed the Purple Rain demo that Prince presented to Stevie Nicks but she turned it down

the Genius of Prince's Purple Rain that many fans dismiss this song as not being so great

purplerabbithole said:

I asked about the song not the album.. I asked about his specific contribution. Not a list of credit. You already posted this.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Since you called yourself a 'newbie' you probably should understand that many of us here have discussed your question talked about it rejoiced in it talked about debated it over and over

remember I posted this here already

Purple Rain

1. Let's Go Crazy is a live rendition with full band and later studio edits and teaks

2. Take Me With U is a full band recording(studio) with Jill Jones/Lisa underneath Prince/Apollonia's vocals David Coleman Suzi Katayama Novi Novog

3. The Beautiful Ones -ALL Prince

4. Computer Blue -full band studio recording

5. Darling Nikki -ALL Prince

6. When Doves Cry -ALL Prince

7. I Would Die 4 U -full band recording (combination live/studio) I think Sheila E/Juan Escovedo might be on it, but they are on the extended release version w/Eddie M

8. Baby I'm a Star -full band recording (combination live/studio) David Coleman Suzi Katayama Novi Novog

9. Purple Rain -full band recording (combination live/studio) David Coleman Suzi Katayama Novi Novog(string arrangements by Lisa Coleman)

OldFriends4Sale said:

Link please

We are talking in circles and I am not going back and reading every post right now. Maybe later. I am tired and was hoping for a discussion here.

.

If you are tired of answering these questions and think I should just do the research myself, just say so (and I do understand how many years of research you have done).. BUt I don't think saying (on this thread) that a song came from a jam session indicates much of what Prince did or didn't do in terms of the creation of that song or even his involvement or participation in those sessions.. I imagine there is still speculation about what isn't being said about credits. Prince is no longer around to say definitively what he did or didn't do on songs. And he wasn't too noisy about it when he was alive. Someone stated on that thread we were talking about that his Revolution bandmates even if they didn't get the credit they deserved wouldn't say much because they were going to need to build the PR image. See, what general speculation like that does. It plants doubts in everyone's minds about any song attributed to him (it even planted them in mine).. Next thing we know someone will say that When Doves Cry probably wasn't really his. As much as possible shouldn't we just believe the credits until someone says otherwise and give P the benefit of the doubt. Besides, maybe, others lie about credits or exagerrate their importance every once in a while too. Its not like Prince was the only ambitious musician in that circle.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Cool.
I read it again and don't see what the problem is.
As what you called yourself 'a newbie' what problem did you have with Errants post?

read reply #97

Just make sure U read everything correctly.

This is pretty spot on appraisal of it all IMO.

Co-Sign ...

purplerabbithole said:

Here is the link... its reply 61

http://prince.org/msg/7/3...?&pg=3

Also, I was wondering what did Prince do on Purple rain? What do you think?

* MOD Edit *
http://prince.org/msg/7/3...?&pg=3

[Edited 5/22/17 19:42pm]

[Edited 5/22/17 19:45pm]

Well you went back and read something from 2011 incorrectly identifying me as the OP

Like I said, I provided the information right there for you to research

purplerabbithole said:

We are talking in circles and I am not going back and reading every post right now. Maybe later. I am tired and was hoping for a discussion here.

.

If you are tired of answering these questions and think I should just do the research myself, just say so (and I do understand how many years of research you have done).. BUt I don't think saying (on this thread) that a song came from a jam session indicates much of what Prince did or didn't do in terms of the creation of that song or even his involvement or participation in those sessions.. I imagine there is still speculation about what isn't being said about credits. Prince is no longer around to say definitively what he did or didn't do on songs. And he wasn't too noisy about it when he was alive. Someone stated on that thread we were talking about that his Revolution bandmates even if they didn't get the credit they deserved wouldn't say much because they were going to need to build the PR image. See, what general speculation like that does. It plants doubts in everyone's minds about any song attributed to him (it even planted them in mine).. Next thing we know someone will say that When Doves Cry probably wasn't really his. As much as possible shouldn't we just believe the credits until someone says otherwise and give P the benefit of the doubt. Besides, maybe, others lie about credits or exagerrate their importance every once in a while too. Its not like Prince was the only ambitious musician in that circle.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Cool.
I read it again and don't see what the problem is.
As what you called yourself 'a newbie' what problem did you have with Errants post?

read reply #97

Just make sure U read everything correctly.

This is pretty spot on appraisal of it all IMO.

Co-Sign ...

[Edited 5/22/17 19:42pm]

[Edited 5/22/17 19:45pm]

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm saying in specific threads I posted all the information about the recording of the song, inspiration background movie connection Prince's thought on it etc

Prince & the Revolution @ 1st Avenue 8.3.1983

Prince @ 1st Avenue 8.3.1983 Benefit Concert

I did a specific thread on the song that I'm looking for

We've discussed the Purple Rain demo that Prince presented to Stevie Nicks but she turned it down

the Genius of Prince's Purple Rain that many fans dismiss this song as not being so great

Link please

Link for what?

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said: Link please

Link for what?

The specific threads you mention.

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Link for what?

The specific threads you mention.

those are the titles

pop em in the search and they will come up

OldFriends4Sale said:

Now I know what to answer next time you ask me for a link 😉

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

those are the titles

pop em in the search and they will come up

Now I know what to answer next time you ask me for a link 😉

Yeah U really are pushing this lol

What I posted was just my sharing of thread on the org. You've seen these threads and know I've always created ERA threads.

That is way different from someone saying "Person A said ____" and people asking for the link where it was said. Much different.

Incorrectly identifying you as the OP doesn't change the fact that you replied to the OP by stating that you agreed or at least appreciated the analysis/symposis that person provided.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well you went back and read something from 2011 incorrectly identifying me as the OP

Like I said, I provided the information right there for you to research

purplerabbithole said:

We are talking in circles and I am not going back and reading every post right now. Maybe later. I am tired and was hoping for a discussion here.

.

If you are tired of answering these questions and think I should just do the research myself, just say so (and I do understand how many years of research you have done).. BUt I don't think saying (on this thread) that a song came from a jam session indicates much of what Prince did or didn't do in terms of the creation of that song or even his involvement or participation in those sessions.. I imagine there is still speculation about what isn't being said about credits. Prince is no longer around to say definitively what he did or didn't do on songs. And he wasn't too noisy about it when he was alive. Someone stated on that thread we were talking about that his Revolution bandmates even if they didn't get the credit they deserved wouldn't say much because they were going to need to build the PR image. See, what general speculation like that does. It plants doubts in everyone's minds about any song attributed to him (it even planted them in mine).. Next thing we know someone will say that When Doves Cry probably wasn't really his. As much as possible shouldn't we just believe the credits until someone says otherwise and give P the benefit of the doubt. Besides, maybe, others lie about credits or exagerrate their importance every once in a while too. Its not like Prince was the only ambitious musician in that circle.

[Edited 5/22/17 19:42pm]

[Edited 5/22/17 19:45pm]

yes it does

purplerabbithole said:

Incorrectly identifying you as the OP doesn't change the fact that you replied to the OP by stating that you agreed or at least appreciated the analysis/symposis that person provided.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well you went back and read something from 2011 incorrectly identifying me as the OP

Like I said, I provided the information right there for you to research

Wendy & Lisa have worked pretty steadily. But IMHO their biggest success was being in the Revolution..no doubt they helped with some great songs but Prince wrote over 1,000 songs that we know of,played 27 instruments..It's pretty clear that the man who played every instrument,produced and wrote all his songs for his first album needed a band while touring and for performances he couldn't possibly do it all on his own.Also IMHO her sister has also benefited greatly..She gave him the story for A song. Which is probably paying her bills.
[Edited 5/27/17 20:40pm]

Purplebflogirl said:

As someone who has worked in music publishing, Susannah is probably not paying her bills with what was probably a max 50% cut on a single co-written song. That's 4.05 cents per copy sold / pressed, the bulk of which occurred in 1987.

And there's no way enough people are buying her merch to be more than incremental revenue. A merch line she only seemed to start when she realized other people were selling the exact same shirts, violating her intellectual property. Frankly, good on her for recognizing that if someone was going to make some money on her IP, it should be her.

Then the other 50% should go to charity.. Preferably one Prince was fond of..Even if she just sold 5k shirts..and her out of pocket costs was $5 a shirt..And she was selling them for $20 She's done pretty well..We agree on 1 thing it is partially her intellectual property..So only her & Prince should benefit..Since he isn't here..The respectful thing to do is the above.

Everyone is talking about her intellectual property. One could argue that it is also Cynthia rose and Prince's intellectual Property as well.

Purplebflogirl said:

Then the other 50% should go to charity.. Preferably one Prince was fond of..Even if she just sold 5k shirts..and her out of pocket costs was $5 a shirt..And she was selling them for $20 She's done pretty well..We agree on 1 thing it is partially her intellectual property..So only her & Prince should benefit..Since he isn't here..The respectful thing to do is the above.

purplerabbithole said:

Everyone is talking about her intellectual property. One could argue that it is also Cynthia rose and Prince's intellectual Property as well.

Purplebflogirl said:

Then the other 50% should go to charity.. Preferably one Prince was fond of..Even if she just sold 5k shirts..and her out of pocket costs was $5 a shirt..And she was selling them for $20 She's done pretty well..We agree on 1 thing it is partially her intellectual property..So only her & Prince should benefit..Since he isn't here..The respectful thing to do is the above.

Yes, it's rather unusual to get writing credit for a song just because you told a story that someone else turned into a song. I think Prince was pretty generous on that one

Purplebflogirl said:

I sincerely doubt she has sold that many. Or that she's making that much net profit on them. But I haven't seen or looked at one to gauge the quality.

And IP as it applies to merch is something I know little about so I can't comment on that at all.

And if you think the co-write was generous, as a songwriter, if I wrote a song based on a friend's story, I'd give her a cowrite credit, too. Hell, Karen O got a cowrite on a Beyoncé song for singing "They don't love you like I love you" first.

There aren't necessarily hard and fast rules about songwriting credit. You do not have to do equal splits, and contributions don't have to be equal. Sounds like he asked her to write down her story, he took that and made a song out of it. That sounds like cowriting to me. Not the kind where you're in the same room exchanging ideas, but ideas were still exchanged.

purplerabbithole said:

It's absolutely his.

For Cynthia, I don't know about that. Sounds kind of unlikely. People sing about people all the time without it being considered IP.

um it is a part of Prince's property... is this unknown information?

purplerabbithole said:

Everyone is talking about her intellectual property. One could argue that it is also Cynthia rose and Prince's intellectual Property as well.

Purplebflogirl said:

Then the other 50% should go to charity.. Preferably one Prince was fond of..Even if she just sold 5k shirts..and her out of pocket costs was $5 a shirt..And she was selling them for $20 She's done pretty well..We agree on 1 thing it is partially her intellectual property..So only her & Prince should benefit..Since he isn't here..The respectful thing to do is the above.

I think we had a thread on how many instruments did Prince actually play.
I don't think he actually plays 27 instruments

But he is definately the man and I adore him

Purplebflogirl said:

Wendy & Lisa have worked pretty steadily. But IMHO their biggest success was being in the Revolution..no doubt they helped with some great songs but Prince wrote over 1,000 songs that we know of,played 27 instruments..It's pretty clear that the man who played every instrument,produced and wrote all his songs for his first album needed a band while touring and for performances he couldn't possibly do it all on his own.Also IMHO her sister has also benefited greatly..She gave him the story for A song. Which is probably paying her bills. [Edited 5/27/17 20:40pm]

OldFriends4Sale said:

So his estate is getting a cut of the t-shirt prophets?

OldFriends4Sale said:

Playing 27 instruments don't mean shit. It matters how many you play well. He played four very well. The average band teacher can play 27 instrument. it does not mean they are stellar at every one of them. BTw, debunking myths about Prince while believing others associates contentions on face value😗😗

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think we had a thread on how many instruments did Prince actually play.
I don't think he actually plays 27 instruments

But he is definately the man and I adore him

Purplebflogirl said:

Wendy & Lisa have worked pretty steadily. But IMHO their biggest success was being in the Revolution..no doubt they helped with some great songs but Prince wrote over 1,000 songs that we know of,played 27 instruments..It's pretty clear that the man who played every instrument,produced and wrote all his songs for his first album needed a band while touring and for performances he couldn't possibly do it all on his own.Also IMHO her sister has also benefited greatly..She gave him the story for A song. Which is probably paying her bills. [Edited 5/27/17 20:40pm]

OldFriends, do you know if this was the last time she performed with him?

no, this was 2004

she performed with him throught 2005-2007 here and there

the 2006 Brit Award Show with LIsa & Sheila E

there were a few shows were she and Lisa performed with him

one or two with Wendy & Susannah ( A Love Bizarre I think)
and Wendy performed with Prince at the Macy's, Target Center & First Avenue Aftershow 7.7.2007

and did some work on the Planet Earth album

Superfan1984 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think we had a thread on how many instruments did Prince actually play.
I don't think he actually plays 27 instruments

But he is definately the man and I adore him

OldFriends, do you know if this was the last time she performed with him?