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PrintableI have seen interviews with Madonna in which she stated I wrote this song or that and didn't really go into the details. But not being a huge Madonna fan, perhaps you are right.
As for Prince and the band. What constitutes 'songs written by Prince"? Just because the band worked on the song and fleshed it out, it doesn't mean Prince didn't write it or deserve writing credits. Writing is not the same thing as arranging or accompanying. Must Prince play every instrument by himself for it to be considered written by him? It almost feels like the only songs he gets credit for writing (without some kind of ambiguity or contention by a fan or Revolution member) on Purple Rain are Darling Nikki, BEautiful Ones and When Doves Cry (and those were mostly by himself in the studio.) Its all Prince and the Revolution credits on the album (even WDC, DN, and BO) so I am not talking about there. I imagine that when Mick Jagger writes a song, KEith and the boys still add additional musical color to it. They still say its written by Mick though without having to throw credit at every band's member's contribution (at least in the linear notes on my Sticky Fingers album). For Prince--a lot of pressure to live up to the first two albums reputation for being totally Prince. Now everything that is not totally played by Prince in a studio is challengable where writing credits are concerned. (Did he write it at all if he didn't do it totally alone in a studio?)
Your list of Prince vs Revolutions contributions on the those albums, do they prove or contradict my statement about Prince doing 60% -75% of the creation but having 100% of the vision??? The songs say Prince and the Revolution--is that not enough credit for them having played on the album? Can't the writing credits still go to him without people assuming W and L wrote Purple Rain?
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Most people believe 'Prince Did Everything' and this stems from the 1977 push to present Prince as a 'Kid Wonder' or Stevie Wonder type etc Many people think Purple Rain was ALL Prince
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could U please just post the link? If you recently visited it, from 2011 even, it should be in your MY ORG section
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Even without u posting the link Mr Facts. She still isn't saying she wrote it. Just reading what you posted she isn't saying she wrote it. | |
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not completely true
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OldFriends4Sale said:
Most people believe 'Prince Did Everything' and this stems from the 1977 push to present Prince as a 'Kid Wonder' or Stevie Wonder type etc Many people think Purple Rain was ALL Prince The average person maybe, but the second they learn he has collaborators, they jump from A-Z. someone on this very site the day before his death stated in a thread about songs Prince did not write by himself stated Prince would not have a career without the collaborators he basically stole from.
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OldFriends4Sale said:
Even without u posting the link Mr Facts. She still isn't saying she wrote it. Just reading what you posted she isn't saying she wrote it. "Lisa and I wrote Purple Rain". [Edited 5/22/17 5:36am] The wooh is on the one! | |
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GuyBros said:
Where is this information at so we can locate it? Where are you coming up with this?
https://groups.google.com...YrdwMjRbYA The wooh is on the one! | |
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we came to rehearsal with the melody and idea
. the Purple Rain dvd commentary she explained what she was saying. you haven't watched it as you seem to keep avoiding.
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can you post the actual 'interview' or is there not one? Because all this ^ is another message board. I did not see any link to anything, can you post the message # where they are siting the link etc? | |
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Even without u posting the link Mr Facts. She still isn't saying she wrote it. Just reading what you posted she isn't saying she wrote it. come on. if this quote is correct, then she just said Lisa and I wrote the basic melody of Purple Rain and then the band worked on It. That almost completely eliminates Prince from the creative process. I sure hope that quote is wrong or at least she took it back. | |
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Can U even post the link post # where U said it was a joke and 'told me' it was?
the title of the thread is : Wendy and Prince...Is She Getting On Your Nerves Too? | |
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' is an example of an issue beyond 'wanting to be factual' as well as your continued push of the lie of of 'Wendy said she wrote Purple Rain'
IF, and U and Paul seem to be having a problem posting links of things
The basic melody is not the song, it is the basic melody. paulludvig talks about facts but seems to go a lot by hearsay especially if it promotes what he wants to believe... this and the Irresistable Bitch thing
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Yesterday I rewatched part of Purple Rain. The cassette that was played again and again in it has music that is already further developed than what is being referenced in that one short quote. And all that was about was saying "we got writing credit for a keyboard line in Computer Blue, but not for a chord structure in Purple Rain, which just seems wrong". . So that statement is apparently enough for people to hate W&L for more than 20 years now. And that statement fits in well with so many other stories about Prince taking a basic idea and then expanding on it and having a full song recorded the next day/a few days later. In some cases the person with the start of the song felt slighted by what happened, in some cases not. But it was part of the creative universe that Prince had created around himself. Lots of talented people focused on making music and a PR machine around it that has a definite interest in pushing the "Prince did everything all by himself" and Prince with a definite interest in getting paid (he was not a very good employer for the most part, from what I understand from those that worked for him (through books and interviews), although it seems to be the norm in creative professions, as money is often not the primary driver for the creative types) . So just what is the big deal about it? They added enough to the song that they felt it would have been logical to share writing credit. Prince disagrees. . It's not like it's a good song or anything... it was always the song to have a short break and get some drinks during concerts. (much like Maggot Brain during P-Funk shows) Paisley Park is in your heart - Love Is Here! |
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OldFriends4Sale said:
we came to rehearsal with the melody and idea
. the Purple Rain dvd commentary she explained what she was saying. you haven't watched it as you seem to keep avoiding.
Point is you said she never tok credit for writing Purple Rain. You made a big deal about it. Well she did take credit. Later she had to take it back. The wooh is on the one! | |
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OldFriends4Sale said:
Can U even post the link post # where U said it was a joke and 'told me' it was?
the title of the thread is : Wendy and Prince...Is She Getting On Your Nerves Too? I told you in an orgnote  [Edited 5/22/17 6:45am] The wooh is on the one! | |
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No she did not, this is from the PR disc commentary that you seem to want to avoid.
And U still never posted in FACTUAL proof that helped U. Because of your lack of information and careless desire to actually get FACTs, I helped U. And other members have pointed the same out to you and u still in your need to be on point and factual decided not to take the advice of other org members. | |
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no U didn't, I still have the conversation from then | |
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OldFriends4Sale said:
no U didn't, I still have the conversation from then I'm not going to quote from orgnotes. But the message was sent Thu Apr 27 2017 9:01am. The wooh is on the one! | |
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lol like I said, U did not say it there either | |
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GuyBros said:
Where are those quotes where Wendy is saying that Prince is simply a member of the Revolution? Oh, and we're still waiting on the source where claim somebody else said they wrote Purple Rain.
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bro it still goes along with what was said on the PR docu/commentary
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OldFriends4Sale said:
bro it still goes along with what was said on the PR docu/commentary
Not really. But nevermind. You and Guybros asked for proof that Wendy once said in an interview that she wrote Purple Rain. There it is. The wooh is on the one! | |
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IF, and U and Paul seem to be having a problem posting links of things
The basic melody is not the song, it is the basic melody. paulludvig talks about facts but seems to go a lot by hearsay especially if it promotes what he wants to believe... this and the Irresistable Bitch thing
I am at work on my phone. I told you where to find it. I will look k for it later tonight. | |
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Yesterday I rewatched part of Purple Rain. The cassette that was played again and again in it has music that is already further developed than what is being referenced in that one short quote. And all that was about was saying "we got writing credit for a keyboard line in Computer Blue, but not for a chord structure in Purple Rain, which just seems wrong". . So that statement is apparently enough for people to hate W&L for more than 20 years now. And that statement fits in well with so many other stories about Prince taking a basic idea and then expanding on it and having a full song recorded the next day/a few days later. In some cases the person with the start of the song felt slighted by what happened, in some cases not. But it was part of the creative universe that Prince had created around himself. Lots of talented people focused on making music and a PR machine around it that has a definite interest in pushing the "Prince did everything all by himself" and Prince with a definite interest in getting paid (he was not a very good employer for the most part, from what I understand from those that worked for him (through books and interviews), although it seems to be the norm in creative professions, as money is often not the primary driver for the creative types) . So just what is the big deal about it? They added enough to the song that they felt it would have been logical to share writing credit. Prince disagrees. . It's not like it's a good song or anything... it was always the song to have a short break and get some drinks during concerts. (much like Maggot Brain during P-Funk shows) what did Prince contribute to Purple Rain other than lyrics and a guitar solo? I am kind of confused about what people on this thread think about his contribution relatively speaking, | |
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IF, and U and Paul seem to be having a problem posting links of things
The basic melody is not the song, it is the basic melody. paulludvig talks about facts but seems to go a lot by hearsay especially if it promotes what he wants to believe... this and the Irresistable Bitch thing
I am at work on my phone. I told you where to find it. I will look k for it later tonight. | |
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1. I saw nothing, no 'thread title' nor 'url link' that I could find it | |
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Here is the link... its reply 61
http://prince.org/msg/7/3...?&pg=3
Also, I was wondering what did Prince do on Purple rain? What do you think?
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Gee, no answer...interesting.
So, Prince's contributions don't matter, i guess.
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What do U mean what did he do? I've already made posts in this thread about Prince & Purple Rain, not to mention Prince the Purple Rain movie Prince the Purple Rain tour Prince and the Purple Rain music Prince Sheila E and the Glamorous Life Prince & Apollonia 6
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