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Thread started 12/14/16 7:05am

PaisleyPrint

Vanity and Morris Day

Any of y'all remember back in the 80's when it was rumored that Morris Day and Vanity had an affair (thus, the part in the movie Purple Rain when Prince asked Appolonia, who was supposed to be played by Vanity, "Do you want him or do you want me")? I remember the rumor(my mom actually believed it) and I was telling someone recently that was the reason that part was written into the script. Don't know if Vanity did it to spite Prince or if it was even true, but why else would that part be in the movie?

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Reply #1 posted 12/14/16 11:32am

TOB

NO!!! Not him.

The way I read it is...

There was a previous relationship that Prince knew about.

There was a portrait of a man that Vanity had painted and traveled with that Prince accused and questioned her about, believing it to be of this person.

And actually he was right, it was. This was her way to keep him guessing, and it was a reminder that she did have a life, a career (movie offers), other interest that she could return to, and that he was the one that approached and pursued her.

The way one of the stories go is that Prince went ballistic when this British, New Wave, Glam Pop music artist dared to show up calling on Denise to take her out after one their concerts.

I wondered if Prince was "also" mocking his flamboyant way of dress in the movie?

Just my thoughts based on a story Denise wrote.

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Reply #2 posted 12/14/16 12:03pm

PaisleyPrint

TOB said:

NO!!! Not him.

The way I read it is...

There was a previous relationship that Prince knew about.

There was a portrait of a man that Vanity had painted and traveled with that Prince accused and questioned her about, believing it to be of this person.

And actually he was right, it was. This was her way to keep him guessing, and it was a reminder that she did have a life, a career (movie offers), other interest that she could return to, and that he was the one that approached and pursued her.

The way one of the stories go is that Prince went ballistic when this British, New Wave, Glam Pop music artist dared to show up calling on Denise to take her out after one their concerts.

I wondered if Prince was "also" mocking his flamboyant way of dress in the movie?

Just my thoughts based on a story Denise wrote.

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Oh, okay so there was someone else, but Prince just used Morris' character in the storyline as that person. Okay, now I'm just being nosey and of course you don't have to answer it but Vanity once said that she only needed one man and Prince needed many (meaning many women of course). Did Vanity ever name any of the women he cheated on her with in her writings/diary or verbally say to anyone. Cause a lot of people were wondering if he was still seeing Sheila E., Susan Moonsie, Susannah M., Jill Jones and others while dating her.

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TOB said:

NO!!! Not him.

The way I read it is...

There was a previous relationship that Prince knew about.

There was a portrait of a man that Vanity had painted and traveled with that Prince accused and questioned her about, believing it to be of this person.

And actually he was right, it was. This was her way to keep him guessing, and it was a reminder that she did have a life, a career (movie offers), other interest that she could return to, and that he was the one that approached and pursued her.

The way one of the stories go is that Prince went ballistic when this British, New Wave, Glam Pop music artist dared to show up calling on Denise to take her out after one their concerts.

I wondered if Prince was "also" mocking his flamboyant way of dress in the movie?

Just my thoughts based on a story Denise wrote.

Is this guy she use to date in the picture.

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Reply #4 posted 12/14/16 2:58pm

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Yes. That man was Adam Ant. That's the man in the photo as well.
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Reply #5 posted 12/14/16 3:33pm

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Adam Ant used to be hot.

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Reply #6 posted 12/14/16 5:28pm

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Sure Adam wrote a song about her on his Strip album:

https://www.youtube.com/w...3So3kfAGk


Adam talks a bit about her in his autobio, I forget the details now since it's been years since I read it but basically Prince wasn't impressed with her dancing with Adam and exploded with rage and jealousy in a hotel lobby or something. Adam and her had a short term relationship of some sort but the only bit I can get from google is this quote from the book:

Denise had become Vanity when she had joined a Paisley Park group named Vanity 6, one of Prince's many offshoot bands who were about to release their first single. I was very happy for her and we would see a lot of each other on tour.

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Reply #7 posted 12/14/16 6:10pm

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jaawwnn said:

Sure Adam wrote a song about her on his Strip album:

https://www.youtube.com/w...3So3kfAGk


Adam talks a bit about her in his autobio, I forget the details now since it's been years since I read it but basically Prince wasn't impressed with her dancing with Adam and exploded with rage and jealousy in a hotel lobby or something. Adam and her had a short term relationship of some sort but the only bit I can get from google is this quote from the book:

Denise had become Vanity when she had joined a Paisley Park group named Vanity 6, one of Prince's many offshoot bands who were about to release their first single. I was very happy for her and we would see a lot of each other on tour.

Thanks biggrin I remember that song, and Adam Ant was really hot back in the day......no wonder Prince was jealous nod and where Johnny Depp got the inspiration for Captain Jack Sparrow.

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Reply #8 posted 12/14/16 7:05pm

luvgirl

Whoa! I knew none of this. I knew Vanity dated Adam Ant but I thought that was after her and Prince broke up. This is deep... eek

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Reply #9 posted 12/14/16 7:14pm

luvgirl

eek


Paint a perfect picture
And bring to life a vision in one's mind

The beautiful ones
(The beautiful ones)
Always smash the picture

TOB said:

NO!!! Not him.

The way I read it is...

There was a previous relationship that Prince knew about.

There was a portrait of a man that Vanity had painted and traveled with that Prince accused and questioned her about, believing it to be of this person.

And actually he was right, it was. This was her way to keep him guessing, and it was a reminder that she did have a life, a career (movie offers), other interest that she could return to, and that he was the one that approached and pursued her.

The way one of the stories go is that Prince went ballistic when this British, New Wave, Glam Pop music artist dared to show up calling on Denise to take her out after one their concerts.

I wondered if Prince was "also" mocking his flamboyant way of dress in the movie?

Just my thoughts based on a story Denise wrote.

Sometimes I wish that life was never ending, but all good things they say never last. Love it isn't love until it's past. ~RIP my Prince~
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Reply #10 posted 12/14/16 8:23pm

SoulAlive

I remember when Vsnity left the Prince camp,she was spotted at LA nightclubs with Andre Cymone....and later recorded a duet with Morris Day which appeared on her debut solo album.I wonder if she did these things to make Prince jealous,lol
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Reply #11 posted 12/14/16 8:46pm

luvgirl

jaawwnn said:

Sure Adam wrote a song about her on his Strip album:

https://www.youtube.com/w...3So3kfAGk




Adam talks a bit about her in his autobio, I forget the details now since it's been years since I read it but basically Prince wasn't impressed with her dancing with Adam and exploded with rage and jealousy in a hotel lobby or something. Adam and her had a short term relationship of some sort but the only bit I can get from google is this quote from the book:

Denise had become Vanity when she had joined a Paisley Park group named Vanity 6, one of Prince's many offshoot bands who were about to release their first single. I was very happy for her and we would see a lot of each other on tour.



What's the name of this book please.
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Reply #12 posted 12/14/16 8:59pm

luvgirl

SoulAlive said:

I remember when Vsnity left the Prince camp,she was spotted at LA nightclubs with Andre Cymone....and later recorded a duet with Morris Day which appeared on her debut solo album.I wonder if she did these things to make Prince jealous,lol


In the book Possessed, it said after Vanity quit the movie, Prince found out she was going be at a night club one night and purposely brought Appolonia to the same club to make sure Vanity saw her replacement. He wasn't above a little jealous making himself.. Lol lol
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Reply #13 posted 12/14/16 9:16pm

wavesofbliss

SoulAlive said:

I remember when Vsnity left the Prince camp,she was spotted at LA nightclubs with Andre Cymone....and later recorded a duet with Morris Day which appeared on her debut solo album.I wonder if she did these things to make Prince jealous,lol
  • andre talked about dating vanity in 85. andre said morris introduced him to vanity. he said that he wanted her to be in 'the dance electric' video but motown wouldn't let her.
  • morris was one of her coke buddies, along with duane prince's brother. i never heard that her and morris were an item.
  • of course they were all all trying to get at prince. dre, morris and vanity were all salty about the way they were treated by prince. dre did some pretty bitchy interviews in the 80s. vanity and morris weren't as vocal about it,they just left. of course all of them made up and were on friendly terms by the late 80s- early 90s.
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Reply #14 posted 12/14/16 10:44pm

PaisleyPrint

SoulAlive said:

I remember when Vsnity left the Prince camp,she was spotted at LA nightclubs with Andre Cymone....and later recorded a duet with Morris Day which appeared on her debut solo album.I wonder if she did these things to make Prince jealous,lol

Yep, that is exactly what started the buzz. The album was Wild Animal. It was recorded in January of '84. It was released in November of '84. Keep in mind, the movie Purple Rain came out the summer of '84. The song is "Mechanical Emotion" (tried to post the video here from YouTube but failed).

Here is the link to the video https://youtu.be/NN5B98b_puk

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Reply #15 posted 12/14/16 11:41pm

PaisleyPrint

luvgirl said:

Whoa! I knew none of this. I knew Vanity dated Adam Ant but I thought that was after her and Prince broke up. This is deep... eek

Ikr, it's crazy. Yeah, I knew about Adam Ant too (also knew she was dealing with him while with Prince) She was also dating Billy Idol. But what I was trying to confirm was if the rumor about Morris was true, being that was the buzz back then but was never confirmed or denied by anyone in the purple camp. And then to put that part in the movie like that...and the movie is supposed to be their story. But the way TOB explained it, it's possible(that it was actually Adam P was referring to and not Morris) since Morris' character was trying to steal Vanity from P personally and professionally. Vanity and Prince also lived together for a short period between '81 and '83.

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Reply #16 posted 12/14/16 11:53pm

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luvgirl said:

jaawwnn said:

Sure Adam wrote a song about her on his Strip album:

https://www.youtube.com/w...3So3kfAGk


Adam talks a bit about her in his autobio, I forget the details now since it's been years since I read it but basically Prince wasn't impressed with her dancing with Adam and exploded with rage and jealousy in a hotel lobby or something. Adam and her had a short term relationship of some sort but the only bit I can get from google is this quote from the book:

Denise had become Vanity when she had joined a Paisley Park group named Vanity 6, one of Prince's many offshoot bands who were about to release their first single. I was very happy for her and we would see a lot of each other on tour.

What's the name of this book please.

It's this fella

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2075376.Stand_and_Deliver

Do keep in mind she only gets a paragraph or two.

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Reply #17 posted 12/15/16 7:40am

FlyOnTheWall

If I were one to wager, I'd bet that Vanity probably did Morris and Dre. Why not? They were both good looking men and it was the free lovin' 80's. Plus, she knew that just the thought of her with his frenemies probably drove Prince insane.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

If I were one to wager, I'd bet that Vanity probably did Morris and Dre. Why not? They were both good looking men and it was the free lovin' 80's. Plus, she knew that just the thought of her with his frenemies probably drove Prince insane.

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I could see Dre as he claims to have dated her before Prince. I hate to say it but I think those two were up to freaking shit when they were young. I could see them passing women around and after Andre said his brother Eddie was a Pimp and how Prince got an education living in the Anderson household. I can only imagine how their minds worked.

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Reply #19 posted 12/15/16 12:39pm

luvgirl

laurarichardson said:



FlyOnTheWall said:


If I were one to wager, I'd bet that Vanity probably did Morris and Dre. Why not? They were both good looking men and it was the free lovin' 80's. Plus, she knew that just the thought of her with his frenemies probably drove Prince insane.


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I could see Dre as he claims to have dated her before Prince. I hate to say it but I think those two were up to freaking shit when they were young. I could see them passing women around and after Andre said his brother Eddie was a Pimp and how Prince got an education living in the Anderson household. I can only imagine how their minds worked.



Where did u hear that Andre dated her before Prince (or claims he did, because I highly doubt that one...)
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Reply #20 posted 12/15/16 12:49pm

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luvgirl said:

laurarichardson said:

I could see Dre as he claims to have dated her before Prince. I hate to say it but I think those two were up to freaking shit when they were young. I could see them passing women around and after Andre said his brother Eddie was a Pimp and how Prince got an education living in the Anderson household. I can only imagine how their minds worked.

Where did u hear that Andre dated her before Prince (or claims he did, because I highly doubt that one...)

He said it back in 85 and in a interview in the late 90s on KPFA.

http://prince.org/msg/reply.php?tid=436410&sc=e02db&q=9805294&pg=1

AC: No, I didn't meet her before he did, but I went out with her
before he did. 'Cause I had gotten invited to, they had a Minneapolis
Music Award, and I usually don't go to award shows 'cause I don't
really believe too much in all that kind of stuff, but I went to this
award show 'cause my mom kind of sweated me and she said, "You really
gotta go, you really gotta go." So I went. If my mom asks me to do
something, I mean I love her so much, anything she'd ask me to do, I'm
gonna do without even questioning it. So I went. I went in tore-up
jeans (laughs), I think some Indian boots and just looking like
completeÉ like I'm just here to do this for my mom (laughs) So I got
there and I saw this girl that I could not believe, and I saw Morris
and I said, "Hey man, who is she?" And he told me who she was and he
said that Prince was working with her, and I said, "Well, is he going
out with her?" and he said, "Naw," so I was like ok.

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Reply #21 posted 12/15/16 1:08pm

luvgirl

laurarichardson said:



luvgirl said:


laurarichardson said:


I could see Dre as he claims to have dated her before Prince. I hate to say it but I think those two were up to freaking shit when they were young. I could see them passing women around and after Andre said his brother Eddie was a Pimp and how Prince got an education living in the Anderson household. I can only imagine how their minds worked.



Where did u hear that Andre dated her before Prince (or claims he did, because I highly doubt that one...)

He said it back in 85 and in a interview in the late 90s on KPFA.



http://prince.org/msg/reply.php?tid=436410&sc=e02db&q=9805294&pg=1




AC: No, I didn't meet her before he did, but I went out with her
before he did. 'Cause I had gotten invited to, they had a Minneapolis
Music Award, and I usually don't go to award shows 'cause I don't
really believe too much in all that kind of stuff, but I went to this
award show 'cause my mom kind of sweated me and she said, "You really
gotta go, you really gotta go." So I went. If my mom asks me to do
something, I mean I love her so much, anything she'd ask me to do, I'm
gonna do without even questioning it. So I went. I went in tore-up
jeans (laughs), I think some Indian boots and just looking like
completeÉ like I'm just here to do this for my mom (laughs) So I got
there and I saw this girl that I could not believe, and I saw Morris
and I said, "Hey man, who is she?" And he told me who she was and he
said that Prince was working with her, and I said, "Well, is he going
out with her?" and he said, "Naw," so I was like ok.



eek
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Reply #22 posted 12/15/16 1:11pm

luvgirl

laurarichardson said:



luvgirl said:


laurarichardson said:


I could see Dre as he claims to have dated her before Prince. I hate to say it but I think those two were up to freaking shit when they were young. I could see them passing women around and after Andre said his brother Eddie was a Pimp and how Prince got an education living in the Anderson household. I can only imagine how their minds worked.



Where did u hear that Andre dated her before Prince (or claims he did, because I highly doubt that one...)

He said it back in 85 and in a interview in the late 90s on KPFA.



http://prince.org/msg/reply.php?tid=436410&sc=e02db&q=9805294&pg=1




AC: No, I didn't meet her before he did, but I went out with her
before he did. 'Cause I had gotten invited to, they had a Minneapolis
Music Award, and I usually don't go to award shows 'cause I don't
really believe too much in all that kind of stuff, but I went to this
award show 'cause my mom kind of sweated me and she said, "You really
gotta go, you really gotta go." So I went. If my mom asks me to do
something, I mean I love her so much, anything she'd ask me to do, I'm
gonna do without even questioning it. So I went. I went in tore-up
jeans (laughs), I think some Indian boots and just looking like
completeÉ like I'm just here to do this for my mom (laughs) So I got
there and I saw this girl that I could not believe, and I saw Morris
and I said, "Hey man, who is she?" And he told me who she was and he
said that Prince was working with her, and I said, "Well, is he going
out with her?" and he said, "Naw," so I was like ok.



Oh wow thanks. I have to analyze all this new info, lol. I'm fascinated by Prince and Vanity's relationship. It all doesn't add up to what I thought I knew. She said in an interview that Prince told her if she loved him she'd come with him. This was before she started working with him and Vanity Six, So how could they not have been seeing each other when she went out with Andre if Morris told him they were working together? And We all know how possessive Prince was with his women, so I can't see him being with Vanity the way he was after she went out with Andre. Doesn't sound like Prince at all. I'm gonna tell myself that nothing really happened between her and Andre... shake lol
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luvgirl

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luvgirl said:

laurarichardson said:



luvgirl said:


laurarichardson said:


I could see Dre as he claims to have dated her before Prince. I hate to say it but I think those two were up to freaking shit when they were young. I could see them passing women around and after Andre said his brother Eddie was a Pimp and how Prince got an education living in the Anderson household. I can only imagine how their minds worked.



Where did u hear that Andre dated her before Prince (or claims he did, because I highly doubt that one...)

He said it back in 85 and in a interview in the late 90s on KPFA.



http://prince.org/msg/reply.php?tid=436410&sc=e02db&q=9805294&pg=1




AC: No, I didn't meet her before he did, but I went out with her
before he did. 'Cause I had gotten invited to, they had a Minneapolis
Music Award, and I usually don't go to award shows 'cause I don't
really believe too much in all that kind of stuff, but I went to this
award show 'cause my mom kind of sweated me and she said, "You really
gotta go, you really gotta go." So I went. If my mom asks me to do
something, I mean I love her so much, anything she'd ask me to do, I'm
gonna do without even questioning it. So I went. I went in tore-up
jeans (laughs), I think some Indian boots and just looking like
completeÉ like I'm just here to do this for my mom (laughs) So I got
there and I saw this girl that I could not believe, and I saw Morris
and I said, "Hey man, who is she?" And he told me who she was and he
said that Prince was working with her, and I said, "Well, is he going
out with her?" and he said, "Naw," so I was like ok.



Oh wow thanks. I have to analyze all this new info, lol. I'm fascinated by Prince and Vanity's relationship. It all doesn't add up to what I thought I knew. She said in an interview that Prince told her if she loved him she'd come with him. This was before she started working with him. So how could they not have been seeing each other yet when she went out with Andre if Morris's told him they were working together? And We all no how possessive Prince was with his women so I can't see him being with Vanity the way he was after Andre had been with her. Doesn't sound like Prince at all. I'm gonna tell myself that nothing really happened between her and Andre... shake lol
[Edited 12/15/16 14:18pm]

-- Andre and Vanity could have went out on a date while she was seeing Prince and nothing came of it or she might have done it to piss him off. If she brought Adam Ant out on the road to mess with his head why would she not have dated Andre.
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Reply #25 posted 12/15/16 5:03pm

luvgirl

laurarichardson said:

luvgirl said:



Oh wow thanks. I have to analyze all this new info, lol. I'm fascinated by Prince and Vanity's relationship. It all doesn't add up to what I thought I knew. She said in an interview that Prince told her if she loved him she'd come with him. This was before she started working with him. So how could they not have been seeing each other yet when she went out with Andre if Morris's told him they were working together? And We all no how possessive Prince was with his women so I can't see him being with Vanity the way he was after Andre had been with her. Doesn't sound like Prince at all. I'm gonna tell myself that nothing really happened between her and Andre... shake lol
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-- Andre and Vanity could have went out on a date while she was seeing Prince and nothing came of it or she might have done it to piss him off. If she brought Adam Ant out on the road to mess with his head why would she not have dated Andre.



nod True, I agree that this seemed like a shot to get back at Prince from both parties. I can't believe that Andre didn't think that they were seeing each other either. Please, I don't buy that... hmph!
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Reply #26 posted 12/15/16 6:11pm

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luvgirl said:

laurarichardson said:
-- Andre and Vanity could have went out on a date while she was seeing Prince and nothing came of it or she might have done it to piss him off. If she brought Adam Ant out on the road to mess with his head why would she not have dated Andre.
nod True, I agree that this seemed like a shot to get back at Prince from both parties. I can't believe that Andre didn't think that they were seeing each other either. Please, I don't buy that... hmph!

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DENISE VANITY MATTHEWS-UNDER THE INFLUENCE- FANTASTICO 8

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Reply #28 posted 12/15/16 7:22pm

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Goddess4Real said:

DENISE VANITY MATTHEWS-UNDER THE INFLUENCE- FANTASTICO 8

She sure was feeling herself in that dress. I must have seen her wear that outfit at least a half a dozen times on different programs. I think she said she made it so that's probably why she wore it so much! lol Beautiful lady and such a sweet soul. RIP

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Reply #29 posted 12/16/16 5:43am

luvgirl

Read a bit of info in DMSR of Prince and Vanity's relationship back then. Pretty damn intense.

https://ia600805.us.archi...4&rotate=0

https://ia600805.us.archi...4&rotate=0
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