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ashleypaisley said: anangellooksdown said: Excellent answer. Thank you. I will only say this once: Mani reminds me if who I used to be. I thought saving the world would make me feel like a good person, and I thought it would cause others to see me as such too. When really, that was an illusion I got from my parents who were the same. You said the real solution: finding a higher power. It's down here on earth VERY ANONYMOUSLY that we make the biggest difference. That being said, it seems Prince did a lot better later on. I think his religion did have something to do with his not wanting the divorce. He really believes strongly in the creed he followed. I think he came to see later on that there are all different kinds of love. You guys speak on Mani being allowed to divorce him first due to the JW affiliation but Mani was married to him for 5 years, was she not JW as well? Wouldn't the same "rules" apply? It wasn't in her heart. She only became a JW in order to get married to him so she wouldn't follow it if she wasn't going to be with him anymore. Possibly Bria also went the same route because she thought she would've ended up marrying him. [Edited 7/17/16 23:45pm] | |
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Could it have been about the music??? It is hard for partner to be second to anything, and I'm not saying they all didn't know that to some degree in the begining. But we all know tha he was music, that was his first love, his passion, his reason. and maybe they couldn't live that way....maybe they all thought they were different and he would change for them. idk food for thought... | |
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wildgoldenhoney said: ashleypaisley said: You guys speak on Mani being allowed to divorce him first due to the JW affiliation but Mani was married to him for 5 years, was she not JW as well? Wouldn't the same "rules" apply? It wasn't in her heart. She only became a JW in order to get married to him so she wouldn't follow it if she wasn't going to be with him anymore. Possibly Bria also went the same route because she thought she would've ended up marrying him. [Edited 7/17/16 23:45pm] We don't know any of that for sure. Actually, I think Mani was very interested in the religion while with Prince but I believe she left it when they split or sometime around that time. Bria was deeply interested and has remained so, marrying another JW after she and Prince split. Did each woman get interested initially thinking they would marry Prince? Only they know the answer to that. Coukd be either yes or no or partly or whatever. | |
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Actually didn't notice that part about Bria.
In the end, it's all past tense. | |
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selah said:
Actually didn't notice that part about Bria.
In the end, it's all past tense. Yes, it is. All past tense. Prince is in a place now where there's only love and all is forgiven and understood. | |
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anangellooksdown said: wildgoldenhoney said: It wasn't in her heart. She only became a JW in order to get married to him so she wouldn't follow it if she wasn't going to be with him anymore. Possibly Bria also went the same route because she thought she would've ended up marrying him. [Edited 7/17/16 23:45pm] We don't know any of that for sure. Actually, I think Mani was very interested in the religion while with Prince but I believe she left it when they split or sometime around that time. Bria was deeply interested and has remained so, marrying another JW after she and Prince split. Did each woman get interested initially thinking they would marry Prince? Only they know the answer to that. Coukd be either yes or no or partly or whatever. If she was a true JW, she would not have left the faith no matter what the reason, she would have had a very close relationship with Jehovah that even Prince couldn't break. But I've seen some who just entered the faith because wanted to marry a JW and did great while they were married to the person. They seemed so spiritual and all but when the marriage ended, went back to committing everything immoral that goes against the bible. "The dog went back to their own vomit." | |
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Amen. This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money. | |
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wildgoldenhoney said: anangellooksdown said: We don't know any of that for sure. Actually, I think Mani was very interested in the religion while with Prince but I believe she left it when they split or sometime around that time. Bria was deeply interested and has remained so, marrying another JW after she and Prince split. Did each woman get interested initially thinking they would marry Prince? Only they know the answer to that. Coukd be either yes or no or partly or whatever. If she was a true JW, she would not have left the faith no matter what the reason, she would have had a very close relationship with Jehovah that even Prince couldn't break. But I've seen some who just entered the faith because wanted to marry a JW and did great while they were married to the person. They seemed so spiritual and all but when the marriage ended, went back to committing everything immoral that goes against the bible. "The dog went back to their own vomit." Maybe, but do you have any experience with religion? Actual experience? People change faiths or leave churches or do all kinds of things. I have a problem with religion - it really doesn't work for most if any, unless there's other work someone does on themselves first or in addition to religion. Following a certain creed or having someone tell you who God is...it's really hard to actually live it. | |
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anangellooksdown said: wildgoldenhoney said: If she was a true JW, she would not have left the faith no matter what the reason, she would have had a very close relationship with Jehovah that even Prince couldn't break. But I've seen some who just entered the faith because wanted to marry a JW and did great while they were married to the person. They seemed so spiritual and all but when the marriage ended, went back to committing everything immoral that goes against the bible. "The dog went back to their own vomit." Maybe, but do you have any experience with religion? Actual experience? People change faiths or leave churches or do all kinds of things. I have a problem with religion - it really doesn't work for most if any, unless there's other work someone does on themselves first or in addition to religion. Following a certain creed or having someone tell you who God is...it's really hard to actually live it.  Why would u think that I, or someone u don't know, wouldn't have any 'religious experience'? :timeout:It's not too far fetched that I have first-hand experience and understanding. If u don't think what I said sounds even plausible from the standpoint of a JW, then I'm wondering if u even understand JW's urself all. | |
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I thought Prince wanted the divorce too. And yeah, they were spending less time together in the last few years. | |
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wildgoldenhoney said: anangellooksdown said: Maybe, but do you have any experience with religion? Actual experience? People change faiths or leave churches or do all kinds of things. I have a problem with religion - it really doesn't work for most if any, unless there's other work someone does on themselves first or in addition to religion. Following a certain creed or having someone tell you who God is...it's really hard to actually live it. Why would u think that I, or someone u don't know, wouldn't have any 'religious experience'? :timeout:It's not too far fetched that I have first-hand experience and understanding. If u don't think what I said sounds even plausible from the standpoint of a JW, then I'm wondering if u even understand JW's urself all. People who have been members of any religious or spiritual group see people leave all the time. That was my reason for the question. | |
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PaisleyPrint said:
I thought Prince wanted the divorce too. And yeah, they were spending less time together in the last few years. -- I believe she was on the road with him during the Musicology Tour. | |
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206Michelle said:
Well said. This is one of the many problems I have with religious creeds. God doesn't hate divorce. What He does hate is treachery and deceit - of any kind. God prefers that people are ready to be married, in other words both people on fit spiritually matured ground, but He would much rather have divorce than someone or both people really hurt IN a marriage. Sometimes He prefers that we get away from someone too. Like if it's not honest. Or if it's selfish or codependent. If both people can't grow IN it then He wants them free so they can. Also, for the record, kids would rather grow up in a broken home of divorce like Prince did rather than a dysfunctional home like I did, where two spiritually sick parents stay together and the kids get the shit dumped on them and each child plays a dysfunctional family role including the scapegoat, who pays for the parents' defects. [Edited 7/21/16 5:26am] | |
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anangellooksdown said: 206Michelle said:
Well said. This is one of the many problems I have with religious creeds. God doesn't hate divorce. What He does hate is treachery and deceit - of any kind. God prefers that people are ready to be married, in other words both people on fit spiritually matured ground, but He would much rather have divorce than someone or both people really hurt IN a marriage. Sometimes He prefers that we get away from someone too. Like if it's not honest. Or if it's selfish or codependent. If both people can't grow IN it then He wants them free so they can. Also, for the record, kids would rather grow up in a broken home of divorce like Prince did rather than a dysfunctional home like I did, where two spiritually sick parents stay together and the kids get the shit dumped on them and each child plays a dysfunctional family role including the scapegoat, who pays for the parents' defects. [Edited 7/21/16 5:26am] Malachi 2:16 Ur right about him hating treacheries but divorce for frivolous reasons is treachery. If there is violence and abuse though, God does allow for separation but the person still made the promise 'till death do us apart'. Going back on ur promise is treachery. So that would be for the person to decide. . [Edited 7/21/16 11:42am] | |
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Also, was thinking... in this world women feel that it's their body and abort children from their womb (the bible values that baby's life from conception). If she aborts the baby without letting the father know, that is treachery too! | |
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I Read that Prince and Mani got baptise together and remained friends after their divorce. Bria married a Jehovah's Witness so she made the truth her own. i believe Bria learned about the Jehovah's Witness religion through Prince. You and me are like two ships passing
Never reaching shore If we ever, ooh, if we ever did We'd just want more | |
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wildgoldenhoney said: anangellooksdown said: This is one of the many problems I have with religious creeds. God doesn't hate divorce. What He does hate is treachery and deceit - of any kind. God prefers that people are ready to be married, in other words both people on fit spiritually matured ground, but He would much rather have divorce than someone or both people really hurt IN a marriage. Sometimes He prefers that we get away from someone too. Like if it's not honest. Or if it's selfish or codependent. If both people can't grow IN it then He wants them free so they can. Also, for the record, kids would rather grow up in a broken home of divorce like Prince did rather than a dysfunctional home like I did, where two spiritually sick parents stay together and the kids get the shit dumped on them and each child plays a dysfunctional family role including the scapegoat, who pays for the parents' defects. [Edited 7/21/16 5:26am] Malachi 2:16 Ur right about him hating treacheries but divorce for frivolous reasons is treachery. If there is violence and abuse though, God does allow for separation but the person still made the promise 'till death do us apart'. Going back on ur promise is treachery. So that would be for the person to decide. . [Edited 7/21/16 11:42am] If one or both people can't grow and it's unhealthy I'd get out. There is no fixed rule however. Each situation needs its own decision including the other one you wrote about. | |
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Damn! | |
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''The beautiful ones they hurt you every tiiiiime....''
 RIP BEAUTIFUL ONES: Prince & Denise 2016 | |
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And there wasn't even any drama in this marriage and divorce. Wild! | |
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anangellooksdown said: tmo1965 said:
I don't know what Prince did during his marriages, but we all know that he used to juggle 2 - 3 women at a time when he was not married. Damaris was just a friend. A very good friend. I can tell by the way they interacted with each other - and she has said as much openly and directly. Judith Hill was a young artist he believed in and he loved her voice. He was attracted to her musically as an artist and considered her someone he wanted to help in his effort to keep real music out there. Tamran Hall? That one I haven't figured out yet but it seems to me there was some kind of obsession there. Good ol Prince was very very attractive like that. He could make a woman throb with just a sentence or by walking into a room. God that man was somethin else. (sigh) [b]yeah it was something about mani that I don't like...and Damaris she looks shifty too. I think they were just friends  | |
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I never liked mani and Damaris seems like a good friend.i wish he would have stayed with mayte. It seems like they were deep in love. I saw a video of sussanah and Sheila e talking to prince. Sussanah didn't say anything it seems like she was over prince. She was at a standoff.I wonder if they ever resolved their breakup.  | |
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toya1 said: I never liked mani and Damaris seems like a good friend.i wish he would have stayed with mayte. It seems like they were deep in love. I saw a video of sussanah and Sheila e talking to prince. Sussanah didn't say anything it seems like she was over prince. She was at a standoff.I wonder if they ever resolved their breakup. What video? Link? | |
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This is not a comment on the marriage of Prince and Mani. It's between them.
But I can give you the technical details of divorce as seen by JW. I won't judge others, but this is how we have chosen to see it, and we base our views on the Bible. Let's call one spouse A and the other B. A has an affair, maybe just a one-night stand, maybe not even penetration, but other types of sex. This gives B two options. To forgive and keep the marriage intact. This means that the matter must be put behind them and B cannot later on bring it up as reason to divorce, if A remains loyal after that. Or B can get a divorce. Both will be free to remarry. If A is sorry and doesn't continue this conduct, A can continue as a valued member of the congregation. Whether or not they divorce. We are expected to do our very best, not be perfect. I have no idea if either of them had an affair, but Prince was free to remarry when Mani did. Being legally divorced doesn't change the above. And I don't know anything about her status with the congregation. He was a faithful, active member, when he died. This is frowned upon by some, but we do choose it ourselves. Hope this can be respected here. And of course there can be other reasons such as abuse to leave someone, but it doesn't free you to remarry. Promises are sacred. [Edited 7/29/16 3:13am] | |
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Bunsterdk said: This is not a comment on the marriage of Prince and Mani. It's between them.
But I can give you the technical details of divorce as seen by JW. I won't judge others, but this is how we have chosen to see it, and we base our views on the Bible. Let's call one spouse A and the other B. A has an affair, maybe just a one-night stand, maybe not even penetration, but other types of sex. This gives B two options. To forgive and keep the marriage intact. This means that the matter must be put behind them and B cannot later on bring it up as reason to divorce, if A remains loyal after that. Or B can get a divorce. Both will be free to remarry. If A is sorry and doesn't continue this conduct, A can continue as a valued member of the congregation. Whether or not they divorce. We are expected to do our very best, not be perfect. I have no idea if either of them had an affair, but Prince was free to remarry when Mani did. Being legally divorced doesn't change the above. And I don't know anything about her status with the congregation. He was a faithful, active member, when he died. This is frowned upon by some, but we do choose it ourselves. Hope this can be respected here. And of course there can be other reasons such as abuse to leave someone, but it doesn't free you to remarry. Promises are sacred. [Edited 7/29/16 3:13am] Sorry, not to be technical but yeah, in being technical... I don't remember if she married eb before they had gotten in a relationship but the moment she started having sex with him (married or not) that was when he became free to remarry. [Edited 7/29/16 17:11pm] | |
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Given the ratio of people that don't seem to feel for Mani here, I'm wondering if Prince's family had issues with her. I don't know if he cheated or not. Seems like every single break up is all his fault, I'm not sure about all that. | |
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wildgoldenhoney said: Bunsterdk said: This is not a comment on the marriage of Prince and Mani. It's between them. But I can give you the technical details of divorce as seen by JW. I won't judge others, but this is how we have chosen to see it, and we base our views on the Bible. Let's call one spouse A and the other B. A has an affair, maybe just a one-night stand, maybe not even penetration, but other types of sex. This gives B two options. To forgive and keep the marriage intact. This means that the matter must be put behind them and B cannot later on bring it up as reason to divorce, if A remains loyal after that. Or B can get a divorce. Both will be free to remarry. If A is sorry and doesn't continue this conduct, A can continue as a valued member of the congregation. Whether or not they divorce. We are expected to do our very best, not be perfect. I have no idea if either of them had an affair, but Prince was free to remarry when Mani did. Being legally divorced doesn't change the above. And I don't know anything about her status with the congregation. He was a faithful, active member, when he died. This is frowned upon by some, but we do choose it ourselves. Hope this can be respected here. And of course there can be other reasons such as abuse to leave someone, but it doesn't free you to remarry. Promises are sacred. [Edited 7/29/16 3:13am] Sorry, not to be technical but yeah, in being technical... I don't remember if she married eb before they had gotten in a relationship but the moment she started having sex with him (married or not) that was when he became free to remarry. [Edited 7/29/16 17:11pm] That's true. Just didn't want to imply anything pre marriage, but you are completely right of course.  | |
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morningsong said: Given the ratio of people that don't seem to feel for Mani here, I'm wondering if Prince's family had issues with her. I don't know if he cheated or not. Seems like every single break up is all his fault, I'm not sure about all that. I don't understand the need to blame anyone since we just don't know and it's none of our business. But I also doubt that he's the only one to blame. It takes two to tango. | |
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