Jellybean is just speaking the truth. I respect him for having the balls to stand up and say it. Most of the associates are scared to death of Prince for some reason. He gave him his props and respect but also spoke his mind instead of cowarding down to him. Nothing wrong with that in my book. It told it like it is.

Fury said:

So technically Prince could be really petty and do a cease and desist on all tunes performed by the time and FDeluxe written by him... Which is pretty much their entire catalogue of hits ...

He could, but not being a complete asshole isn't something anyone should really be lauded for. It's not like any of The Family songs ever became "hits" anyway (Nothing Compares 2 U excepting but obviously not their version), and they have their own studio album so it's more like half of their catalogue is written by Prince.

cbarnes3121 said:

I'm so sorry but, Prince is right. He owns it. End of story.

Just because someone is wealthy doesnt mean they have to give what they created away...I don't understand the logic there, they were employed by Prince, its like Apple, you get paid for your creative input into Apple products because Apple is paying your azz. They didn't 'help' Prince, they worked for Prince. Just because you are friends doesn't change that dynamic.

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Jellybean is 100% right.Prince uses people,gets what he wants from them,and then discards them.He really only cares about himself and his ego.

trax said:

Jellybean is just speaking the truth. I respect him for having the balls to stand up and say it. Most of the associates are scared to death of Prince for some reason. He gave him his props and respect but also spoke his mind instead of cowarding down to him. Nothing wrong with that in my book. It told it like it is.

I agree.

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Fury said:

So technically Prince could be really petty and do a cease and desist on all tunes performed by the time and FDeluxe written by him... Which is pretty much their entire catalogue of hits ...

He could, but not being a complete asshole isn't something anyone should really be lauded for. It's not like any of The Family songs ever became "hits" anyway (Nothing Compares 2 U excepting but obviously not their version), and they have their own studio album so it's more like half of their catalogue is written by Prince.

I honestly don't see how these bands using their original names (The Time and The Family) would hurt,or affect,Prince in any way.It's not as if a new "Time" album or a new "Family" CD is gonna sell alot of copies these days,anyway.It's not about money,it's simply about Prince's weird need to control everything.I know he's always been a control freak but after all these years,one would have thought that he would melllow out a bit...you know......become a cooler,nicer person.

SoulAlive said:

I can't agree with the first sentence of that article, not while Clyde Stubblefield, Jabo Starks, Bigfoot Brailey and some guy called Prince (at least) still smack the skins on this mortal coil.

I'm sure Jellybean is funky, but ...

And creatively, if Prince ain't The Time, The Family etc, then who is? That said, he's got so much fame and music, it does seem petty that he denies authentic line-ups of the live incarnations of these groups a better living by preventing them trading under their old names.

I could understand it if any one of these were touring as The Revolution, as that might cause confusion for Prince's business, but outside of Prince, funk and 80s soul circles, how many people have really even heard of The Time or especially The Family?

SoulAlive said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

He could, but not being a complete asshole isn't something anyone should really be lauded for. It's not like any of The Family songs ever became "hits" anyway (Nothing Compares 2 U excepting but obviously not their version), and they have their own studio album so it's more like half of their catalogue is written by Prince.

I honestly don't see how these bands using their original names (The Time and The Family) would hurt,or affect,Prince in any way.It's not as if a new "Time" album or a new "Family" CD is gonna sell alot of copies these days,anyway.It's not about money,it's simply about Prince's weird need to control everything.I know he's always been a control freak but after all these years,one would have thought that he would melllow out a bit...you know......become a cooler,nicer person.

I agree 100%, yeah he's within his rights to deny them the rights to use their original names, but really, why would you? What does being mean to people whom you used to be friends with achieve?

terrig said:

I'm so sorry but, Prince is right. He owns it. End of story.

Just because someone is wealthy doesnt mean they have to give what they created away...I don't understand the logic there, they were employed by Prince, its like Apple, you get paid for your creative input into Apple products because Apple is paying your azz. They didn't 'help' Prince, they worked for Prince. Just because you are friends doesn't change that dynamic.

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That isn't giving anything away

Prince isn't making anything off the Family name or the Time, I mean he wouldn't be hurting anything and these people forming the songs from that album would only bring more attention to Prince's catalogue and musical history.

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And they did help Prince, he couldn't do it alone from, the Time backing Vanity 6 live, the Controversy and 1999 tours, Morris Day on vocals and drums, Jesse on certain songs

etc 1981-1983 one of Princes hottest periods

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

SoulAlive said:

I honestly don't see how these bands using their original names (The Time and The Family) would hurt,or affect,Prince in any way.It's not as if a new "Time" album or a new "Family" CD is gonna sell alot of copies these days,anyway.It's not about money,it's simply about Prince's weird need to control everything.I know he's always been a control freak but after all these years,one would have thought that he would melllow out a bit...you know......become a cooler,nicer person.

I agree 100%, yeah he's within his rights to deny them the rights to use their original names, but really, why would you? What does being mean to people whom you used to be friends with achieve?

especially from someone who is always sing about love and jesus

cbarnes3121 said:

Prince can't win with people if he bring back past people everybody complain about the project.jeallybesn worked wth jam and Lewis in the past they not pounding on his door no more so are they bad guys? Be more like Jesse stop blaming people move on and make that check best way u can. They all knew from day one Prince was controlling and they were just puppets in his game now that u older and broker in the game u wanna fault him??

I doubt they knew from day one that prince was controlling

Prince is doing things that would seem to be beneath him. Blocking names is a bush-league move, usually reserved for industry parasites and hanger-oners. I read somewhere that Matt Knowles was doing similar stuff to Destiny's Child. Lou Pearlman and Backstreet Boys. Usually though, the impressario (Prince) cuts a deal or just gives the band it's rights so that they can do their own thing. This is really something that should have been done decades ago.

As far as Prince BEING The Time or whatever... I can only laugh at that. For sure he didn't write Jungle Love (Jesse did) and most every other song is a collabo between Morris and Prince or Prince and somebody. Yet Prince owns everything outright. Yes, Prince is the primary musician on all the tracks, but he isn't more 'The Time' than Morris Day. The Bird is based on a dance that Prince ordered Morris NOT to do, because the audience loved it and Prince felt it showed him up.

The fellas clown Alex for that meeting with Prince, but... AO was right about one thing: Prince owning everything was going to be a problem. And it still is to this day.

I agree w/Bean. It's a Dick Move on P's part!!! EVERYBODY knows U created both Groups, and U will be forever linked to both. So why not just let them do their thing as The Time and The Family?

I like how the talent behind those bands get slapped aside just becasue Prince wrote and platyed on the tunes . I don't see people saying Gamble and Huff created the O'Jays or Teddy Pendergrass. Or the songwriters and studio musicians behind Diana Ross, the Temptations, Four Tops, Smokey Robonson, Aretha Franklin, Michael Jackesin, etc are responsible for their success - even thought they partly are. Such a double standard with Prince it's kinda sick.

Didn't he play drums for The Family during their perfromance at Paisley Park last month?

What did the Paisley announcer introduce them as? FDeluxe?

woogiebear said:

I agree w/Bean. It's a Dick Move on P's part!!! EVERYBODY knows U created both Groups, and U will be forever linked to both. So why not just let them do their thing as The Time and The Family?

And those groups and people have always pointed the spot light on Prince which is why the years they were there were so great. And afterward they have always pointed a light on Prince. Prince was too disconnected to his Slave period when the Time & FDeluxe approached in that 2009/2010 period

They only could have taking his popularity to a different level.

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Did not Prince name Sheila Escovedo -Sheila E? Why hasn't he hit her with this stuff?

I look at it this way: Prince doesnt owe any of them anything. THey got famous because they were employees of Prince. No one can argue with what Prince has accomplished and how he has acomplished it. If you work for him - as in any job - you do what he wants. When you can not do it, it is time for you to find a new employer. Prince isnt obligated to let employees walk off with what he made - be the Time name, songs that whe wrote, produced, and performed, or even office supplies (which every employee feels entitled to steal these days).

Fury makes a great point: you have never heard Prince bad mouth any associate even when they speak ill of him. Look at Alex ONeal - he is a toothless crackhead who Prince could have seriously clowned when he went in on Prince over the formation of the Time. Even Jimmy Jam and Jellybean confirm that Alex was acting like he was already famous and tripped on Prince - which got him thrown out of the group.

Maybe it is because Prince knew how he treated his 'Friend' wrong.

In 1990 he even lied about the firing of Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, saying Morris actually did it

Alexander ONeal was never really 'employed' by Prince, his issues are much different.

Not too many of the people in his 1980s period have actually spoken bad about him.

Morris Day takes jabs at him like Prince takes jabs at Morris.

Morris Day for example and Andre were not just 'band members' way before Prince was 'Prince' these people were friends. So issues there will be much different.

I am really disappointedd in Jellybean. He loves to refer to the fact that he was a child from the ghetto in every interview I have ever seen him do yet complains about the man who is most responsible for getting him out of the ghetto. I thought he was at least smarter than that.

Zannaloaf said:

I like how the talent behind those bands get slapped aside just becasue Prince wrote and platyed on the tunes . I don't see people saying Gamble and Huff created the O'Jays or Teddy Pendergrass. Or the songwriters and studio musicians behind Diana Ross, the Temptations, Four Tops, Smokey Robonson, Aretha Franklin, Michael Jackson, etc are responsible for their success - even thought they partly are. Such a double standard with Prince it's kinda sick.

I know what you mean.Among Prince fans,there's a tendency to downplay the talents of these people,just because Prince wrote and produced the songs.Morris Day had such a distinctive persona,which is a large reason why The Time were successful.Not just anybody could have filled his shoes.He brought alot to the table,too.

Fury said:

The names are an asset to him. I'd like to think there is a legal reason behind it. The Time still tours as the Time (sometimes with Morris Day in front of it ) So obviously he's not so power hungry that he isn't allow the name to be used. Even if condensate had been released as the time it still would have tanked.

but that's my whole point.Nobody buys records these days,anyway and there's no way that an 80s funk band is gonna sell alot of records these days.So why not just let them use the name? What "value" is there (for Prince) in holding onto the name? It's not like he's planning to do anything with the name (such as forming a new,updated version of the Time or The Family).

In 1990,he needed these guys to do the 'Graffiti Bridge' movie (let's face it,he could not have done a Purple Rain sequel without them).They did it.They were cool with Prince.Why is so hard for him to be cool with them?

Exactly! This is what I've been trying to say.There is no "value" in those names.It's not like Prince is gonna do anything profitable with those names,anyway.So why not just be nice and let his old buddies use the names? Prince is a multi-millionaire.He has plenty of money already.No need for him to be a jerk about this.

OldFriends4Sale said:

That isn't giving anything away

Prince isn't making anything off the Family name or the Time, I mean he wouldn't be hurting anything and these people forming the songs from that album would only bring more attention to Prince's catalogue and musical history.

The reason that Alexander O' Neal had that "disagreement" with Prince is because,Prince doesn't like to pay people what they deserve to make.He has always been "cheap".This is one of the reasons why Vanity dropped out of the Purple Rain movie.She was getting lucrative offers elsewhere,but Prince was gonna pay her peanuts to do the movie.In 1986,BrownMark was offered three times what he was making in the Revolution,to tour with Stevie Nicks.He stayed loyal and did the Parade tour.Prince loves making lots of money.He just doesn't like his "employees" making alot of money,too.It's more difficult to control people when they're making a ton of money without your help.When Jam and Lewis wanted to supplement their (small) income and produce other acts,Prince fired them.God forbid if any of the women in 3rdEyeGirl were to come across a huge,money-making opportunity...lol....they will be fired,discarded,and totally forgotten by Prince.

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SoulAlive said: