i hate to hear this because i respect the both of them immensely and wish they would work together. Hopefully Prince worded it different, but if not, that was harsh on his part. She's calling him out on it because of the deal he just inked with WB. The thing about it, and this is SO important, this deal is not your avrage artist/label deal; it's licensing his music to WB. Prince fully owns and control his music, publishing and masters and WB is just going to remaster, release, distribute and market his music. So Me'Shell's criticism may be a little bit short sighted. Whatever the case, i really hope fences can be mended between both parties and they work together at some point in time.

Superconductor said:

HonestMan13 said:

Meshell needs to decide whether she admires Prince or has no respect for him already. She performed a Prince song only show here in NYC a few years back and still seemed to have some issues with him. Pick a side and stay there already.

Doesn't follow. One can admire his music and still be critical of things that he says or does outside the creative process.

Anyway, she's just pointing out Prince's hypocrisy.

Where is the hypocrisy? He's human and allowed to change his mind. His thoughts and words are not decrees to be etched in stoned like commandments. People really need to stop putting so much weight on the actions of celebrities. They are not gods.

anthonyspeaks said:

i hate to hear this because i respect the both of them immensely and wish they would work together. Hopefully Prince worded it different, but if not, that was harsh on his part. She's calling him out on it because of the deal he just inked with WB. The thing about it, and this is SO important, this deal is not your avrage artist/label deal; it's licensing his music to WB. Prince fully owns and control his music, publishing and masters and WB is just going to remaster, release, distribute and market his music. So Me'Shell's criticism may be a little bit short sighted. Whatever the case, i really hope fences can be mended between both parties and they work together at some point in time.

I don't know how things stand now with Prince... but Meshell is a more (staunch) lesbian than Lisa & Wendy

HonestMan13 said:

Meshell needs to decide whether she admires Prince or has no respect for him already. She performed a Prince song only show here in NYC a few years back and still seemed to have some issues with him. Pick a side and stay there already.

Agreed!

I love Meshel and listen to her last 4 albums all the time, but I think the reason she didn't mention it 12 years ago was because his words probably wrang true with her and she was still with WB. Now that she essentially listened to him and left them she's like WTF you're backtracking.. but to him its not backtracking, its taking advantage of an opportunity where he's not losing anything and essentially going to profit heavily. For some reason that nuance is lost on her. I don't blame her for being resentful, but if you say "one shouldn't air dirty laundry" I would have listened to my own advice and not go ahead and do it anyway.

anthonyspeaks said:

i hate to hear this because i respect the both of them immensely and wish they would work together. Hopefully Prince worded it different, but if not, that was harsh on his part. She's calling him out on it because of the deal he just inked with WB. The thing about it, and this is SO important, this deal is not your avrage artist/label deal; it's licensing his music to WB. Prince fully owns and control his music, publishing and masters and WB is just going to remaster, release, distribute and market his music. So Me'Shell's criticism may be a little bit short sighted. Whatever the case, i really hope fences can be mended between both parties and they work together at some point in time.

I think they have worked together before.Doesn't Meshell have something to do with the song "Emale" on Emancipation? or was that just an old rumor?

Superconductor said:

HonestMan13 said:

Meshell needs to decide whether she admires Prince or has no respect for him already. She performed a Prince song only show here in NYC a few years back and still seemed to have some issues with him. Pick a side and stay there already.

Doesn't follow. One can admire his music and still be critical of things that he says or does outside the creative process.

Anyway, she's just pointing out Prince's hypocrisy.

I agree.While I am thrilled that we are getting the remasters,it does seem as if Prince is sorta climbing back into bed with Warners,after spending so many years warning other artists about their evil ways.As a fan,I'm happy with these recent developments but I can see how fellow musicians (like Meshell) might be confused or conflicted about what Prince is doing.

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SoulAlive said:

Superconductor said:

Doesn't follow. One can admire his music and still be critical of things that he says or does outside the creative process.

Anyway, she's just pointing out Prince's hypocrisy.

I agree.While I am thrilled that we are getting the remasters,it does seem as if Prince is sorta climbing back into bed with Warners,after spending so many years warning other artists about their evil ways.As a fan,I'm happy with these recent developments but I can see how fellow musicians (like Meshell) might be confused or conflicted about what Prince is doing.

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What's there to be confused if the terms he is getting back in is way better and more beneficial to him. unless I missed something? I could understand her saying that if nothing changed between him and Warner Bros.

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wonder505 said:

SoulAlive said:

I agree.While I am thrilled that we are getting the remasters,it does seem as if Prince is sorta climbing back into bed with Warners,after spending so many years warning other artists about their evil ways.As a fan,I'm happy with these recent developments but I can see how fellow musicians (like Meshell) might be confused or conflicted about what Prince is doing.

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What's there to be confused if the terms he is getting back in is way better and more beneficial to him. unless I missed something? I could understand her saying that if nothing changed between him and Warner Bros.

It's possible that she doesn't know all the details of the deal.Maybe Prince could call her and explain it to her They are/were friends,right?

Only a scorched dog barks...she must have some feelings like he was right or she should told him to go fuck himself back then

SoulAlive said:

wonder505 said:

What's there to be confused if the terms he is getting back in is way better and more beneficial to him. unless I missed something? I could understand her saying that if nothing changed between him and Warner Bros.

It's possible that she doesn't know all the details of the deal.Maybe Prince could call her and explain it to her They are/were friends,right?

or maybe just maybe.....she should find out the facts before she making a public statement...right?

SoulAlive said:

anthonyspeaks said:

i hate to hear this because i respect the both of them immensely and wish they would work together. Hopefully Prince worded it different, but if not, that was harsh on his part. She's calling him out on it because of the deal he just inked with WB. The thing about it, and this is SO important, this deal is not your avrage artist/label deal; it's licensing his music to WB. Prince fully owns and control his music, publishing and masters and WB is just going to remaster, release, distribute and market his music. So Me'Shell's criticism may be a little bit short sighted. Whatever the case, i really hope fences can be mended between both parties and they work together at some point in time.

I think they have worked together before.Doesn't Meshell have something to do with the song "Emale" on Emancipation? or was that just an old rumor?

SoulAlive said:

Superconductor said:

Doesn't follow. One can admire his music and still be critical of things that he says or does outside the creative process.

Anyway, she's just pointing out Prince's hypocrisy.

I agree.While I am thrilled that we are getting the remasters,it does seem as if Prince is sorta climbing back into bed with Warners,after spending so many years warning other artists about their evil ways.As a fan,I'm happy with these recent developments but I can see how fellow musicians (like Meshell) might be confused or conflicted about what Prince is doing.

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The thing is that WB is a company and the people in charge have nothing to do with the people who were there 20 years ago. What I find maybe a bit hypocrit that P would still hang out with majors in general: EMI, BMG, Universal, Sony: he's done them all since he left WB and they all have a full roster of "house niggas" so he shouldn't contribute to their profits in any way. But given that he does work with majors and that the exacs at WB have changed, I don't c where the hypocrisy is working with WB again, + it was the only way to get all his masters back NOW instead of waiting until 2031 to get the last albums back, so in the end he just got what he wanted from them. P will be 73 years-old in 2031, and I'll be 55! I'm glad we don't have to wait that long to have remasters and outtakes of the last years of his WB contract!

SoulAlive said:

2elijah said:

SoulAlive said:

It's possible that she doesn't know all the details of the deal.Maybe Prince could call her and explain it to her They are/were friends,right?

Somehow it seems Meshell may have missed the part where Prince owns the masters..now.

Just like the O7 people just wrong Prince by default and fail to admit when associated former artist miss the mark.

meanwhile........meshell continues to release new and interesting music

while prince doesn't

3rdeyedude said:

meanwhile........meshell continues to release new and interesting music

But she missed the point..back then, he didn't own his masters...now he does, and that's the interesting part.

if he really did called her a "house nigga",she should have kicked his ass I always thought of Meshell as a tough,no-nonsense woman who's not intimidated by anybody.

SoulAlive said:

if he really did called her a "house nigga",she should have kicked his ass I always thought of Meshell as a tough,no-nonsense woman who's not intimidated by anybody.

Obviously you're thoughts about her were wrong. She kept this on the hush for a decade then decided to deem it relevant when the news about Prince and Warners dropped.

Peeps ALWAYS misunderstand what Prince means! Good thing Eye'm one of the few that gets him..

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databank said:

SoulAlive said:

I agree.While I am thrilled that we are getting the remasters,it does seem as if Prince is sorta climbing back into bed with Warners,after spending so many years warning other artists about their evil ways.As a fan,I'm happy with these recent developments but I can see how fellow musicians (like Meshell) might be confused or conflicted about what Prince is doing.

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The thing is that WB is a company and the people in charge have nothing to do with the people who were there 20 years ago. What I find maybe a bit hypocrit that P would still hang out with majors in general: EMI, BMG, Universal, Sony: he's done them all since he left WB and they all have a full roster of "house niggas" so he shouldn't contribute to their profits in any way. But given that he does work with majors and that the exacs at WB have changed, I don't c where the hypocrisy is working with WB again, + it was the only way to get all his masters back NOW instead of waiting until 2031 to get the last albums back, so in the end he just got what he wanted from them. P will be 73 years-old in 2031, and I'll be 55! I'm glad we don't have to wait that long to have remasters and outtakes of the last years of his WB contract!

He has said that record companies are good for marketing, distrubution and promotion. That is what he has been using them for over the last 20 years. He has not had a traditional record contract since Emancipation and Rave and we saw how those projects went. WB is just going to get everything out with better sound and hopefully unreleased tracks over the next few years. P will not be in his 70s and we all we be around to enjoy the music. It is a win-win for everyone.

This thread. This thread....

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What is more appropriate, a rolleyes, a rofl, a head shake or a walk in/walk out gif... decisions, decisions.

laurarichardson said:

databank said:

The thing is that WB is a company and the people in charge have nothing to do with the people who were there 20 years ago. What I find maybe a bit hypocrit that P would still hang out with majors in general: EMI, BMG, Universal, Sony: he's done them all since he left WB and they all have a full roster of "house niggas" so he shouldn't contribute to their profits in any way. But given that he does work with majors and that the exacs at WB have changed, I don't c where the hypocrisy is working with WB again, + it was the only way to get all his masters back NOW instead of waiting until 2031 to get the last albums back, so in the end he just got what he wanted from them. P will be 73 years-old in 2031, and I'll be 55! I'm glad we don't have to wait that long to have remasters and outtakes of the last years of his WB contract!

He has said that record companies are good for marketing, distrubution and promotion. That is what he has been using them for over the last 20 years. He has not had a traditional record contract since Emancipation and Rave and we saw how those projects went. WB is just going to get everything out with better sound and hopefully unreleased tracks over the next few years. P will not be in his 70s and we all we be around to enjoy the music. It is a win-win for everyone.

Neither Emancipation nor Rave were traditional contracts: P owned the masters and was not exclusively tied to either labels. He never got a traditional contract since he left WB in 96.

My point still stands: if majors are slave owners and u're an ex-slave then u don't deal with slave owners as a free man on your own terms while at the same time they keep exploiting other slaves, that is unless u've become completely cynical.

Now I'm not blaming P for doing it, it's his life, but it's odd to bash people and be in bed with them at the same time. I mean arranging a deal with WB by trading exclusive distribution of the first reissues of his remasters against getting the masters back all at once was a good deal since it was the only way to get all the masters back now instead than on a year by year basis up until 2031, but sleeping with EMI, BMG, Sony and Universal in the meantime is a bit contradictory: what they did and still do with hundreds of other acts was and still is exactly was WB was doing with P, so P shouldn't have contributed to their profit in any possible way. Of course P woud certainly claim that he helped the labels understand that they don't need to own masters and have exclusive contracts to benefit from an artist's work and that he was in a way contributing in making artists' more free, and that's a reasonable argument, but I think u see what I find dubious in the whole process.

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