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Reply #240 posted 07/06/12 12:04pm

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Well maybe that will come out in show. Maybe not. Like someone said mayte is not naming names. She is just telling HER story of the miscarriage.
She may talk about the miscarriage and not give reference to who was the father because that info is not relevant her talking about her loss
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Reply #241 posted 07/06/12 4:34pm

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Who has the link where Mayte showed off some of Prince's clothes??? biggrin eek

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Reply #242 posted 07/06/12 5:11pm

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I don't think it showed yet... just saw it in previews of shows to come unless it was part of the bonus clips for this week episode (3). I haven't watch those yet.,

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Reply #243 posted 07/06/12 5:44pm

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Just saw part it in one of the trailers, I need that white shirt with black in the collar and cuffs. lol

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Reply #244 posted 07/06/12 5:44pm

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Reply #245 posted 07/06/12 5:52pm

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Ottensen said:

starafree said:

First let me say I lost twins 7 days after they were born so i know that pain.My point is now prince will be asked if he does any interviews.Why dosen't she talk about the lost child with tommy.

Where has it been confirmed that she lost a child with Tommy Lee?

That's what I wanna know too.

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Reply #246 posted 07/06/12 6:40pm

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Ottensen said:

Where has it been confirmed that she lost a child with Tommy Lee?

That's what I wanna know too.

Ok I'm only go to responed once.Tommy wrote about it in his book.Spoke once about it on a interview.And his vh1 special the naked thruth on vh1 .Over 10 yrs ago. Alittle after their relationship ended.

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Reply #247 posted 07/06/12 9:34pm

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Ok I saw episode 2 now. So Mayte can have children. She has been divorced close to 12 years...wow..time flies.

Jesica needs Jesus...the vagina moment was funny. Love the way the ex-wifes took that "Black men do not go down on women" to task. What Jesica does not realise is that is the line black men use when we don't want to go down on some chicks funky vajayjay. Sorry Jessica, the brothers were just not going down on you !

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Reply #248 posted 07/06/12 11:16pm

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Mayte mentioned in an interview for this show that her second micarriage will be mentioned later in the show

I really don't get the nerve of some people here with their attitude that it's all about Prince and his feelings; that a mother cannot talk about the loss of her child! How dare you! The women has EVERY right to disuss her loss in whatever amount of detail she wants! Fuck Prince. He treated her like complete shit and was controlling during her pregnancy and after (I believe the Mojica sisters on what happened). A month later he's acting like everything is ok, going on interviews and tours while his grieving 22 year old wife is left alone to deal because he can't deal! Yet, we should be caring about him??? Everyone KNEW she was pregnant. The baby's heartbeat was in "Sex In The Summer." He mentions his child as if he was already here (based on the release date of the album) on "My Computer." Yet, when Oprah flat out asks them if the child is still alive (based on what was already out in the news) poor Mayte can't even speak and she turns to him to answer and the MF says "our family exists..." Okaaay. Be vague all you want to, but this crap is public record. I thought it was completely insensitve and bad husband mode to have his wife sitting up there acting like it's all good.

And we are supposed to FEEL for him??

My sister had a child that was still born, 22 years ago. We talk about him every year on his birthday and who he may have been. He is never forgotten. My sister has had two healthy children since then, but he is never forgotten. The pain is still there. I can't speak for Mayte, but if I went through the shit I read she went through, the pain would sting a little more

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Reply #249 posted 07/06/12 11:42pm

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Damn, I know we are all passionate but don't lose your cool. We can follow Mayte's and Prince careers without being on a playground and taking sides. I've seen the show and it's not as bad as I thought a VH1 reality show would be. However, it's only HER side of the story. There's only one truth to this story and neither a reality show nor a song will tell it truthfully.

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Reply #250 posted 07/07/12 1:02am

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Okay, finally saw episode 3 from start to finish instead of in bits and pieces. This is what I took from it hmmm :

1. Nicole- she seems to have a very positive spirit and is very steady and even. Always quick to smile, and good lawd, if after pushing out 527 kids, if that body is not bangin' shocked . Girl, you betta work with your 40-something year old self. coffee

2. Jessica- I think it's great that she survived all of Jose's nonsense and made a successful career with her cosmetic spa, but she is just a tad to unfiltered for my taste; first the journey into her vajayjay and now humping Nicole's leg (in a public place) to describe Jose's sexual prowess? confused confused Girl if you don't go somewhere and sit down. I already said that every reality show cast needs a firecracker to ignite things over time and it's obvious she's going to be it rolleyes It was good to see Jessica with a therapist considering what she was ready to plunge into with Jose. It was good to see her broach the idea that maybe she's one of those women who's still so sprung by her ex-husband that she pines for him and that was possibly the real reason she was ready to move his broke, cheating ass into her house. That's okay, she wouldn't be the first woman that's been stupid that way for a man, the question is will she wise up to prevent him from disappointing her or her daughter again. Considering one of her closing statements in that scene was, "I like to screw things up"---not likely. hammer

...oh and about that therapist- definitely better than many therapists we've seen on these women/wife shows, but way too emotive to the point of nearly appearing subjective. Not good. She needs to reign it in a bit with her tone and body language. Bethenny Frankel's therapist is the best one on these lady shows right now. Jessica's therapist needs to watch a few episodes of Bethenny Ever After to see how she is not coming across on camera, and become a bit more composed.

3. Sheree- okay Church Lady, you're irritating me. I was really looking forward to following Sheree's storyline because as a Christian, I thought it would be a great opportunity for the world to see how a woman can move on from the past, build a new life in Christ that's fruitful, etc. etc. Okay----this situation of living apart from her husband confused . There is absolutely nothing wrong with maintaining more than one residence, and I understand her wanting to be close to her son in LA, but what irritated me was the way she discussed the issue with her husband- totally dismissing the fact that his calling from the Lord is in San Diego. Then she's going to tell the man that as a pastor "you can go anywhere!" hmm Umm, really, First Lady? The man is not a sherpa schelpping from village to village, nor is he a missionary. He is the Pastor of a church---he's been assigned by the Lord to attend that particular flock, and needs to stay put and tend to those people's needs. What really pissed me off was her using the quote from Genesis 2.24 (King James Bible) to justify her self-centeredness

"Therefore a shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they shall be one flesh"

okay...this is where this chick is totally misrepresenting the Word of God, and it's not even cool: First of all, while this statement is meant to fortify that that nothing, or no one should come between people when they are married, Sheree honey, make no mistake that in Christian life, the Almighty comes first in all things, even over your jet set life in LA and and your WhoopAsh Cream. To suggest that her husband should just up and abandon his congregation disbelief - that just left a bad taste in my mouth. Furthermore, while she's making the issue entirely about what's most convenient for her, and running the conversation with her husband like he has no say, I wonder when is the last she read the scripture "Submit to one another as you would submit to Christ" ? She doesn't strike me as a person who's open to compromise. That right there is already a misrepresentation of what a Christian marriage is supposed to look like (if we're talking about clergy leading by example).

4. Andrea- I still like her. She's an emotional mess, but I understand her POV and empathize with her. It's clear that she's going to have to press past a lot of her fears about how she identifies in life, in her her career, and so on, but hopefully during this process she will become more confident, finally feel free from the irony of being both protected and restricted being Kelly's wife. Do your art and finally be happy. I liked the scene of the ladies taking their ballet class together; it showed older women who are still vital, active, and not ignoring the creative voice inside of themselves. Hell, I give them 10 points just for still being able to do them damn pliés with any kind of form whatsoever after age 35 martini

---oh, and Andrea's assistant? Too mouthy and in your face. Maybe that flies in Chicago, but in places like LA and New York, not at all. He needs to bring the volume and declarative statements down a few notches and turn it up a little on the finesse and protocol when he's in public with Andrea and she's networking.

5. Mayte- what I got from her discussing her loss is a little different from some of the views here. Actually, at this point, I'm not even seeing "Prince's ex wife", I am seeing a woman who went through horribly tragic experiences, and hasn't yet been able to make sense of it all. To me, the scene on the beach between Andrea and Mayte spoke to something larger than "oh my ex -husband this, that, and the other". The way these girls are hurting speaks to larger themes of loss, abandonment, fear, inertia, resilience, forgiveness, closure, peace, and so on. Additionally, there's the very complicated theme here of how one deals with a divorce in which one's spouse is a powerful figure. The emotional, psychological, financial, and professional fall-out from that is very complex, and never as black and white as "oh just get over it". Mayte's story in particular is so heavy, that I think there will be women out there who have gone through losing a newborn that will be able to connect and identify with her story (and they won't give two pumps and a pistol who the hell she was married to). I just hope that as the show progresses we'll see steps to healing a bit more.

All in all, what I'm getting from this show is that the whole thing is basically just one big ole breast sack of estrogen lol . I'm surprised VH-1 went this route for a show (considering how young and boisterous their other shows are). I would've expected to see something like this on Lifetime Tv for women, WE, Style, or dare I say it, OWN lurking . Only thing is, with OWN Tv, Oprah woulda had these women in therapy, with a life coach, , building houses for the poor, seeing a spiritual thought leader, and taking money making classes from Suze Orman in every episode deal dead evillol

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Reply #251 posted 07/07/12 7:50am

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DonRants said:

Ok I saw episode 2 now. So Mayte can have children. She has been divorced close to 12 years...wow..time flies.

Jesica needs Jesus...the vagina moment was funny. Love the way the ex-wifes took that "Black men do not go down on women" to task. What Jesica does not realise is that is the line black men use when we don't want to go down on some chicks funky vajayjay. Sorry Jessica, the brothers were just not going down on you !

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Reply #252 posted 07/07/12 7:59am

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ThickeGirl said:

Mayte mentioned in an interview for this show that her second micarriage will be mentioned later in the show

I really don't get the nerve of some people here with their attitude that it's all about Prince and his feelings; that a mother cannot talk about the loss of her child! How dare you! The women has EVERY right to disuss her loss in whatever amount of detail she wants! Fuck Prince. He treated her like complete shit and was controlling during her pregnancy and after (I believe the Mojica sisters on what happened). A month later he's acting like everything is ok, going on interviews and tours while his grieving 22 year old wife is left alone to deal because he can't deal! Yet, we should be caring about him??? Everyone KNEW she was pregnant. The baby's heartbeat was in "Sex In The Summer." He mentions his child as if he was already here (based on the release date of the album) on "My Computer." Yet, when Oprah flat out asks them if the child is still alive (based on what was already out in the news) poor Mayte can't even speak and she turns to him to answer and the MF says "our family exists..." Okaaay. Be vague all you want to, but this crap is public record. I thought it was completely insensitve and bad husband mode to have his wife sitting up there acting like it's all good.

And we are supposed to FEEL for him??

My sister had a child that was still born, 22 years ago. We talk about him every year on his birthday and who he may have been. He is never forgotten. My sister has had two healthy children since then, but he is never forgotten. The pain is still there. I can't speak for Mayte, but if I went through the shit I read she went through, the pain would sting a little more

Right!

I wasn't interested in Prince during the Mayte years. But when I got back into Prince and heard all that stuff that happened.... I just became a member Team Mayte. All the things you mentioned in this post is the reason I support Mayte. Because when she needed it the most... it seems she had no support. I don't care how much people don't like her, or her efforts to create a career, or what she says about her life when she was with Prince... I will support her. period.

Too bad if Prince doesn't like it. I don't care if his reputation takes a hit in the media.

He should have thought about all of that when he was 32 and checking out a 16 year old. She was too young for him.

He should have thought about all that when he dropped a grieving young mother for a mutual acquaintance and humiliated his wife in front of family, friends and the public.

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Reply #253 posted 07/07/12 8:07am

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Ottensen said:

Okay, finally saw episode 3 from start to finish instead of in bits and pieces. This is what I took from it hmmm :

1. Nicole- she seems to have a very positive spirit and is very steady and even. Always quick to smile, and good lawd, if after pushing out 527 kids, if that body is not bangin' shocked . Girl, you betta work with your 40-something year old self. coffee

2. Jessica- I think it's great that she survived all of Jose's nonsense and made a successful career with her cosmetic spa, but she is just a tad to unfiltered for my taste; first the journey into her vajayjay and now humping Nicole's leg (in a public place) to describe Jose's sexual prowess? confused confused Girl if you don't go somewhere and sit down. I already said that every reality show cast needs a firecracker to ignite things over time and it's obvious she's going to be it rolleyes It was good to see Jessica with a therapist considering what she was ready to plunge into with Jose. It was good to see her broach the idea that maybe she's one of those women who's still so sprung by her ex-husband that she pines for him and that was possibly the real reason she was ready to move his broke, cheating ass into her house. That's okay, she wouldn't be the first woman that's been stupid that way for a man, the question is will she wise up to prevent him from disappointing her or her daughter again. Considering one of her closing statements in that scene was, "I like to screw things up"---not likely. hammer

...oh and about that therapist- definitely better than many therapists we've seen on these women/wife shows, but way too emotive to the point of nearly appearing subjective. Not good. She needs to reign it in a bit with her tone and body language. Bethenny Frankel's therapist is the best one on these lady shows right now. Jessica's therapist needs to watch a few episodes of Bethenny Ever After to see how she is not coming across on camera, and become a bit more composed.

3. Sheree- okay Church Lady, you're irritating me. I was really looking forward to following Sheree's storyline because as a Christian, I thought it would be a great opportunity for the world to see how a woman can move on from the past, build a new life in Christ that's fruitful, etc. etc. Okay----this situation of living apart from her husband confused . There is absolutely nothing wrong with maintaining more than one residence, and I understand her wanting to be close to her son in LA, but what irritated me was the way she discussed the issue with her husband- totally dismissing the fact that his calling from the Lord is in San Diego. Then she's going to tell the man that as a pastor "you can go anywhere!" hmm Umm, really, First Lady? The man is not a sherpa schelpping from village to village, nor is he a missionary. He is the Pastor of a church---he's been assigned by the Lord to attend that particular flock, and needs to stay put and tend to those people's needs. What really pissed me off was her using the quote from Genesis 2.24 (King James Bible) to justify her self-centeredness

"Therefore a shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they shall be one flesh"

okay...this is where this chick is totally misrepresenting the Word of God, and it's not even cool: First of all, while this statement is meant to fortify that that nothing, or no one should come between people when they are married, Sheree honey, make no mistake that in Christian life, the Almighty comes first in all things, even over your jet set life in LA and and your WhoopAsh Cream. To suggest that her husband should just up and abandon his congregation disbelief - that just left a bad taste in my mouth. Furthermore, while she's making the issue entirely about what's most convenient for her, and running the conversation with her husband like he has no say, I wonder when is the last she read the scripture "Submit to one another as you would submit to Christ" ? She doesn't strike me as a person who's open to compromise. That right there is already a misrepresentation of what a Christian marriage is supposed to look like (if we're talking about clergy leading by example).

4. Andrea- I still like her. She's an emotional mess, but I understand her POV and empathize with her. It's clear that she's going to have to press past a lot of her fears about how she identifies in life, in her her career, and so on, but hopefully during this process she will become more confident, finally feel free from the irony of being both protected and restricted being Kelly's wife. Do your art and finally be happy. I liked the scene of the ladies taking their ballet class together; it showed older women who are still vital, active, and not ignoring the creative voice inside of themselves. Hell, I give them 10 points just for still being able to do them damn pliés with any kind of form whatsoever after age 35 martini

---oh, and Andrea's assistant? Too mouthy and in your face. Maybe that flies in Chicago, but in places like LA and New York, not at all. He needs to bring the volume and declarative statements down a few notches and turn it up a little on the finesse and protocol when he's in public with Andrea and she's networking.

5. Mayte- what I got from her discussing her loss is a little different from some of the views here. Actually, at this point, I'm not even seeing "Prince's ex wife", I am seeing a woman who went through horribly tragic experiences, and hasn't yet been able to make sense of it all. To me, the scene on the beach between Andrea and Mayte spoke to something larger than "oh my ex -husband this, that, and the other". The way these girls are hurting speaks to larger themes of loss, abandonment, fear, inertia, resilience, forgiveness, closure, peace, and so on. Additionally, there's the very complicated theme here of how one deals with a divorce in which one's spouse is a powerful figure. The emotional, psychological, financial, and professional fall-out from that is very complex, and never as black and white as "oh just get over it". Mayte's story in particular is so heavy, that I think there will be women out there who have gone through losing a newborn that will be able to connect and identify with her story (and they won't give two pumps and a pistol who the hell she was married to). I just hope that as the show progresses we'll see steps to healing a bit more.

All in all, what I'm getting from this show is that the whole thing is basically just one big ole breast sack of estrogen lol . I'm surprised VH-1 went this route for a show (considering how young and boisterous their other shows are). I would've expected to see something like this on Lifetime Tv for women, WE, Style, or dare I say it, OWN lurking . Only thing is, with OWN Tv, Oprah woulda had these women in therapy, with a life coach, , building houses for the poor, seeing a spiritual thought leader, and taking money making classes from Suze Orman in every episode deal dead evillol

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Great post as usual Ottensen.

I also wholeheartedly agree with your thoughts on VH1 producing this type of show being unusual. I don't even watch ANY of those other shows. I never had. But this one pulled me in. I know because Mayte is on it is the reason I started watching it. But now I'm also compelled by Nicole and Andrea as well.

Is Nicole credited as a producer of the show? Because it sounds like it was her idea she pitched. I read that her ex brother in law (Charlie Murphy??) called her with the idea and she considered it and went with it.

I really like the show and can't wait to tune in next week.

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Reply #254 posted 07/07/12 8:51am

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TurnItUp said:

starafree said:

I respectfully agree with your post.But now she has put Prince in a place where the media will now ask him about it.He may not be ready now if ever to talk about it.Plus why didn't she say out right the misscarrage was tommy's.I think she wants in some way to have people think it was princes.

The media ain't gon ask Prince shit because for some reason I don't what kind of magic he's workin but they don't bother him and he if they do he can just keep doin what he's doin and not give them an answer and Mayte doesn't have to specify who the father(s) of the babies are. She didn't say I carried Prince's baby fullterm and then he died. We already know and she didn't have to say I miscarried Prince or Tommy or whoevers baby. It's painful enough. I'm telling you some of you orgers!

Dude, she did say she carried their child and when he was born, she held him and he passed away within a week. You're pointing fingers at other orgers for their opinions about this particular situation, but you're doing the same as everyone else, giving your opinion. But I get it though, you have no more info, than anyone else here, about how Prince and Mayte dealt with their loss. That's about it.

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Reply #255 posted 07/07/12 9:14am

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TurnItUp said:

The media ain't gon ask Prince shit because for some reason I don't what kind of magic he's workin but they don't bother him and he if they do he can just keep doin what he's doin and not give them an answer and Mayte doesn't have to specify who the father(s) of the babies are. She didn't say I carried Prince's baby fullterm and then he died. We already know and she didn't have to say I miscarried Prince or Tommy or whoevers baby. It's painful enough. I'm telling you some of you orgers!

Dude, she did say she carried their child and when he was born, she held him and he passed away within a week. You're pointing fingers at other orgers for their opinions about this particular situation, but you're doing the same as everyone else, giving your opinion. But I get it though, you have no more info, than anyone else here, about how Prince and Mayte dealt with their loss. That's about it.

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I think what TurnItUp was saying was Mayte never specified the baby she carried to term was Prince's baby. It's merely assumed that Prince was the father and we, as fans, already know the story.

As for the miscarriage, she owes us nothing as far as an explanation is concerned. If she wants to be forthcoming then it's up to her as to how much detail she wishes to go into. I think it was said she'd be talking about it more in further episodes so maybe she will go into more detail then.

I've been thinking about why I felt this episode was more staged than others and I think it's beause there is a real lack of connection between some of the women. I don't see Mayte fitting in with any of the other women except Andrea and I felt her talk with Sheree was really forced and unnatural. She brought up the loss of her baby and it was like Sheree had no knowledge of it. If they were "friends" shouldn't she know this?

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Reply #256 posted 07/07/12 10:29am

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2elijah said:

Dude, she did say she carried their child and when he was born, she held him and he passed away within a week. You're pointing fingers at other orgers for their opinions about this particular situation, but you're doing the same as everyone else, giving your opinion. But I get it though, you have no more info, than anyone else here, about how Prince and Mayte dealt with their loss. That's about it.

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I think what TurnItUp was saying was Mayte never specified the baby she carried to term was Prince's baby. It's merely assumed that Prince was the father and we, as fans, already know the story.

As for the miscarriage, she owes us nothing as far as an explanation is concerned. If she wants to be forthcoming then it's up to her as to how much detail she wishes to go into. I think it was said she'd be talking about it more in further episodes so maybe she will go into more detail then.

I've been thinking about why I felt this episode was more staged than others and I think it's beause there is a real lack of connection between some of the women. I don't see Mayte fitting in with any of the other women except Andrea and I felt her talk with Sheree was really forced and unnatural. She brought up the loss of her baby and it was like Sheree had no knowledge of it. If they were "friends" shouldn't she know this?

She specified on the show she is Prince's ex-wife, and viewers were introduced to to her as that. When she mentioned she was pregnant, and lost the baby, it was obvious whose baby she was talking about. When she mentioned the miscarriage is what many were confused as to who she was pregnant from when that miscarriage happened.

Also, honestly, (and Crackobat, this is not specifically directed at you at all smile), I'm just expressing my general opinion regarding reactions to Mayte discussing the loss of her and ex's child. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this is how I'm starting to feel about the whole thing. I think it is disgusting and bad taste for anyone to insult a parent who lost their child. Both were the parents, and both deserve empathy. Whether some think they know how Prince and Mayte dealt with their loss in their private moments, based on what they only saw in interviews shortly after or slinging insults at Prince because he went on tour shortly after, does not mean he didn't give his then wife, Mayte moral and loving support about the loss of their child? Absolutely not. Unless you were with them in their most private moments to see the tears and pain, then none of us have a right to judge, including me.

None of us can just assume that based on interviews that followed or the fact that you didn't like his responses to the questions asked about their child, during an Oprah interview, that we have a right to slam a parent who lost their child. People handle their loss differently, and that was between Mayte and Prince. From this current hollywood exes show, all viewers heard were bits and pieces of only what Mayte revealed, and some viewers/fans, based that on only a small portion of what Mayte mentioned about the loss of their child. Some viewers/fans have taken a ridiculous route against the other parent, by using insults, because they've drawn conclusions on how he handled his grief, and now making unconfirmed acccusations that he didn't give his then wife, Mayte, moral support during the loss of their child. None of us knows what happened in their private moments off camera during that time.

All many fans are going on is drawing their own conclusions from the Oprah interview, and when Prince went on tour shortly after M & P's child passed. No one knows what transpired behind closed doors, with the cameras and spotlight off. People handle loss differently, sometimes in denial or refusing to discuss the loss of their child soon after the loss with anyone, including family members or indulging themselves in work and other things.

I'm sure many of us either know of a family member who lost a child or a friend, and seen them deal with their loss in their own way. You can't control how someone is suppose to grieve, based on your own opinions of 'how you think it should have been handled'. You can't go around accusing someone of being a control freak, and at the same time, thinking you have some right to control another's grief, because they didn't do it 'your way'. That's a bit contradictive. Both parents deserve empathy for their loss, not insults. Regardless of how some fans get their information, only based on rumors, interviews Mayte and Prince had soon after their loss, which doesn't mean one spouse didn't give moral support to the other, during that time or that one experienced less pain than the other. They both had to deal with the pain of losing their child. How they chose to handle it is their business. Slapping insults at Prince because he toured shortly after, does not mean the man was not feeling any pain for the loss of his child or doesn't think about his child as time passes. I have never heard him say anything disrespectful in public about Mayte during or after their marriage.

If I said anything on this thread that was snarky or disrespectful in any way regarding either how I felt Mayte is speaking about her loss, which I don't believe I did, then I take that back, because I am not her or Prince and I cannot speak for their emotions, regarding the loss of their child or how they feel about it today. Viewers watching the show are only hearing it from one side, in bits and pieces, and no one can say what Mayte's intentions are for being open about her loss on the show. Only she knows. All any of us can do is speculate, but we don't know the facts behind it, unless she expresses that herself.

I think what many of us need to remember is her discussing her loss doesn't mean it was an open invitation for anyone to slam or sling insults at her ex-husband, based on fan rumors of their former relationship. Mayte made it clear her purpose on the show was not to hurt her ex, and that the show was all about her, not her ex, but I think some viewers/fans missed the point and turned it into that type of situation. I know some may disagree with me, and that's fine but I just think that some need to remember that it was both Prince and Mayte that lost their child together, and that child was part of both of them. Regardless of how anyone feels about either of them, in the past or present day, they both deserve empathy for the loss of their child. Sorry for the rant, and I hope I didn't offend anyone, just expressing my personal opinion on this. Now disagreements are welcome to my opinion, but don't waste time implying my opinion is all about some silly-ass, koolaid drinking, so folks can squash that nonsense. Rant over. peace

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ThickeGirl said:

Mayte mentioned in an interview for this show that her second micarriage will be mentioned later in the show

I really don't get the nerve of some people here with their attitude that it's all about Prince and his feelings; that a mother cannot talk about the loss of her child! How dare you! The women has EVERY right to disuss her loss in whatever amount of detail she wants! Fuck Prince. He treated her like complete shit and was controlling during her pregnancy and after (I believe the Mojica sisters on what happened). A month later he's acting like everything is ok....

And we are supposed to FEEL for him??

My sister had a child that was still born, 22 years ago. I can't speak for Mayte, but if I went through the shit I read she went through, the pain would sting a little more

Very good post. I edited it for brevity. I think sometimes as fans we drink too much of the cool-aid and forgive our stars shortcomings. If Prince was not a superstar and just another man who behavied this way you would not hear the end of it.

On the other hand Prince seems to deal with things by not getting too bogged down with the sad stuff. If Mayte is still so sad after 12 years, she must have been a complete mess when it just happened. Sadly, Prince just may not have had the patience or whatever to support her during this period. His way of dealing with the tragedy was denial ("Our famiily exists") We can pass judgement but we all know he is very driven and that may be the way he coped.


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Reply #258 posted 07/07/12 1:05pm

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ThickeGirl said:

Mayte mentioned in an interview for this show that her second micarriage will be mentioned later in the show

I really don't get the nerve of some people here with their attitude that it's all about Prince and his feelings; that a mother cannot talk about the loss of her child! How dare you! The women has EVERY right to disuss her loss in whatever amount of detail she wants! Fuck Prince. He treated her like complete shit and was controlling during her pregnancy and after (I believe the Mojica sisters on what happened). A month later he's acting like everything is ok, going on interviews and tours while his grieving 22 year old wife is left alone to deal because he can't deal! Yet, we should be caring about him??? Everyone KNEW she was pregnant. The baby's heartbeat was in "Sex In The Summer." He mentions his child as if he was already here (based on the release date of the album) on "My Computer." Yet, when Oprah flat out asks them if the child is still alive (based on what was already out in the news) poor Mayte can't even speak and she turns to him to answer and the MF says "our family exists..." Okaaay. Be vague all you want to, but this crap is public record. I thought it was completely insensitve and bad husband mode to have his wife sitting up there acting like it's all good.

And we are supposed to FEEL for him??

My sister had a child that was still born, 22 years ago. We talk about him every year on his birthday and who he may have been. He is never forgotten. My sister has had two healthy children since then, but he is never forgotten. The pain is still there. I can't speak for Mayte, but if I went through the shit I read she went through, the pain would sting a little more

Agreed 100% and I believe those sisters story too.I am a Prince fanatic. I have loved him for nearly 30 years, but just because you are a fan doesn't mean you have to defend him in the wrong. You doin all this defending and he'd probably treat you like shit too. He may not talk about, but apparently loosing the baby has been an affect on him too. Exhibit A: The youtube baby lawsuit silliness. I don't care what none of you orgers say, that was rediculous and I ain't buying he was protecting his music bullshit, I believe that baby reminded him of his baby and I mentioned in a tread that got locked right away he wouldn't even come and hug pregnant Alicia Keys on his BET tribute. Why does Patti have to hug Alicia and the other girls for him instead of him hugging only Patti and Chaka. I don't think he would've had the patience to be a father.

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Reply #259 posted 07/07/12 1:14pm

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2elijah said:

TurnItUp said:

The media ain't gon ask Prince shit because for some reason I don't what kind of magic he's workin but they don't bother him and he if they do he can just keep doin what he's doin and not give them an answer and Mayte doesn't have to specify who the father(s) of the babies are. She didn't say I carried Prince's baby fullterm and then he died. We already know and she didn't have to say I miscarried Prince or Tommy or whoevers baby. It's painful enough. I'm telling you some of you orgers!

Dude, she did say she carried their child and when he was born, she held him and he passed away within a week. You're pointing fingers at other orgers for their opinions about this particular situation, but you're doing the same as everyone else, giving your opinion. But I get it though, you have no more info, than anyone else here, about how Prince and Mayte dealt with their loss. That's about it.

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First of all I ain't no dude and second of all I just mention she carried the baby fullterm and died before you did and I didn't say all of your orgers said SOME of you and I get that you need to wash the crud of your eyes and read what I said. Some of these orgers or too passionate about Prince that they want to slam anyone that speaks against him. I remember they attacked his sister Sharon for speaking to A Current Affair about him and if you saw the damn interview she didn't even give out any dirt on him whatsover, it was over because he didn't want ANYONE talking to the media, he can't control everything and everyone and it didn't hurt his reputation. To this day he is still scandal-free and more and likely he will continue to be.

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2elijah said:

Crackrobat said:

I think what TurnItUp was saying was Mayte never specified the baby she carried to term was Prince's baby. It's merely assumed that Prince was the father and we, as fans, already know the story.

As for the miscarriage, she owes us nothing as far as an explanation is concerned. If she wants to be forthcoming then it's up to her as to how much detail she wishes to go into. I think it was said she'd be talking about it more in further episodes so maybe she will go into more detail then.

I've been thinking about why I felt this episode was more staged than others and I think it's beause there is a real lack of connection between some of the women. I don't see Mayte fitting in with any of the other women except Andrea and I felt her talk with Sheree was really forced and unnatural. She brought up the loss of her baby and it was like Sheree had no knowledge of it. If they were "friends" shouldn't she know this?

She specified on the show she is Prince's ex-wife, and viewers were introduced to to her as that. When she mentioned she was pregnant, and lost the baby, it was obvious whose baby she was talking about. When she mentioned the miscarriage is what many were confused as to who she was pregnant from when that miscarriage happened.

Also, honestly, (and Crackobat, this is not specifically directed at you at all smile), I'm just expressing my general opinion regarding reactions to Mayte discussing the loss of her and ex's child. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this is how I'm starting to feel about the whole thing. I think it is disgusting and bad taste for anyone to insult a parent who lost their child. Both were the parents, and both deserve empathy. Whether some think they know how Prince and Mayte dealt with their loss in their private moments, based on what they only saw in interviews shortly after or slinging insults at Prince because he went on tour shortly after, does not mean he didn't give his then wife, Mayte moral and loving support about the loss of their child? Absolutely not. Unless you were with them in their most private moments to see the tears and pain, then none of us have a right to judge, including me.

None of us can just assume that based on interviews that followed or the fact that you didn't like his responses to the questions asked about their child, during an Oprah interview, that we have a right to slam a parent who lost their child. People handle their loss differently, and that was between Mayte and Prince. From this current hollywood exes show, all viewers heard were bits and pieces of only what Mayte revealed, and some viewers/fans, and based on only a small portion of what Mayte mentioned about the loss of their child, some viewers/fand have taken a ridiculous route against the other parent, by using nsults, because they've drawn conclusions on how he handled his grief, then making acccusations that he didn't give his then wife, Mayte, moral support during the loss of their child. None of us knows what happened in their private moments off camera during that time.

All many fans are going on is drawing their own conclusions from the Oprah interview, and when Prince went on tour shortly after M & P's child passed. No one knows what transpired behind closed doors, with the cameras and spotlight off. People handle loss differently, sometimes in denial or refusing to discuss the loss of their child soon after the loss with anyone, including family members or indulging themselves in work and other things.

I'm sure many of us either know of a family member who lost a child or a friend, and seen them deal with their loss in their own way. You can't control how someone is suppose to grieve, based on your own opinions of 'how you think it should have been handled'. You can't go around accusing someone of being a control freak, and at the same time, thinking you have some right to control another's grief.That's a bit contradictive. Both parents deserve empathy for their loss, not insults. Regardless of how some fans get their information, only based on rumors, interviews Mayte and Prince had soon after their loss, which doesn't mean one spouse didn't give moral support to the other, during that time or that when was in less pain than the other. They both had to deal with the pain of losing their child. How they chose to handle it is their business. Slapping insults at Prince because he toured shortly after, does not mean the man was not feeling any pain for the loss of his child or doesn't think about him as time passes. I have never heard him say anything disrespectful about Mayte during or after their marriage.

If I said anything on this thread that was snarky or disrespectful in any way regarding either how I felt Mayte is speaking about her loss, which I don't believe I did, then I take that back, because I am not her or Prince and I cannot speak for their emotiions regarding the loss of their child or how they feel about it today.. Viewers watching the show are only hearing it from one side, in bits and pieces, and no one can say what Mayte's intentions are for being open about her loss on the show. Only she knows. All any of us can do is speculate, but we don't know the facts behind it, unless she expresses that herself.

I think what many of us need to remember is her discussing her loss doesn't mean it was an open invitation for anyone to slam or sling insults at her ex, based on fan rumors of their former relationship. Mayte made it clear her purpose on the show was not to hurt her ex, and that the show was all about her, not her ex, but I think some viewers/fans missed the point and turned it into that type of situation. I know some may disagree with me, and that's fine but I just think that some need to remember that it was both Prince and Mayte loss their child together, and that child was part of both of them. Regardless of how anyone feels about either of them, in the past or present day, they both deserve empathy for the loss of their child. Sorry for the rant, and I hope I didn't offend anyone, just expressing my personal opinion on this. Now disagreements are welcome to my opinion, but don't waste time implying my opinion is all about some silly-ass, koolaid drinking, so folks can squash that nonsense. Rant over. peace

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DonRants said:

ThickeGirl said:

Mayte mentioned in an interview for this show that her second micarriage will be mentioned later in the show

I really don't get the nerve of some people here with their attitude that it's all about Prince and his feelings; that a mother cannot talk about the loss of her child! How dare you! The women has EVERY right to disuss her loss in whatever amount of detail she wants! Fuck Prince. He treated her like complete shit and was controlling during her pregnancy and after (I believe the Mojica sisters on what happened). A month later he's acting like everything is ok....

And we are supposed to FEEL for him??

My sister had a child that was still born, 22 years ago. I can't speak for Mayte, but if I went through the shit I read she went through, the pain would sting a little more

Very good post. I edited it for brevity. I think sometimes as fans we drink too much of the cool-aid and forgive our stars shortcomings. If Prince was not a superstar and just another man who behavied this way you would not hear the end of it.

On the other hand Prince seems to deal with things by not getting too bogged down with the sad stuff. If Mayte is still so sad after 12 years, she must have been a complete mess when it just happened. Sadly, Prince just may not have had the patience or whatever to support her during this period. His way of dealing with the tragedy was denial ("Our famiily exists") We can pass judgement but we all know he is very driven and that may be the way he coped.


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I get that too. He probably lacks the ability to deal with tragedy head on. Just my assumption, but it seems based on his working relationships and friendships, he has a pattern of not handling adversity well. This from the people who have worked with him

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Reply #262 posted 07/07/12 1:53pm

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2elijah said:

Crackrobat said:

I think what TurnItUp was saying was Mayte never specified the baby she carried to term was Prince's baby. It's merely assumed that Prince was the father and we, as fans, already know the story.

As for the miscarriage, she owes us nothing as far as an explanation is concerned. If she wants to be forthcoming then it's up to her as to how much detail she wishes to go into. I think it was said she'd be talking about it more in further episodes so maybe she will go into more detail then.

I've been thinking about why I felt this episode was more staged than others and I think it's beause there is a real lack of connection between some of the women. I don't see Mayte fitting in with any of the other women except Andrea and I felt her talk with Sheree was really forced and unnatural. She brought up the loss of her baby and it was like Sheree had no knowledge of it. If they were "friends" shouldn't she know this?

She specified on the show she is Prince's ex-wife, and viewers were introduced to to her as that. When she mentioned she was pregnant, and lost the baby, it was obvious whose baby she was talking about. When she mentioned the miscarriage is what many were confused as to who she was pregnant from when that miscarriage happened.

Also, honestly, (and Crackobat, this is not specifically directed at you at all smile), I'm just expressing my general opinion regarding reactions to Mayte discussing the loss of her and ex's child. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this is how I'm starting to feel about the whole thing. I think it is disgusting and bad taste for anyone to insult a parent who lost their child. Both were the parents, and both deserve empathy. Whether some think they know how Prince and Mayte dealt with their loss in their private moments, based on what they only saw in interviews shortly after or slinging insults at Prince because he went on tour shortly after, does not mean he didn't give his then wife, Mayte moral and loving support about the loss of their child? Absolutely not. Unless you were with them in their most private moments to see the tears and pain, then none of us have a right to judge, including me.

None of us can just assume that based on interviews that followed or the fact that you didn't like his responses to the questions asked about their child, during an Oprah interview, that we have a right to slam a parent who lost their child. People handle their loss differently, and that was between Mayte and Prince. From this current hollywood exes show, all viewers heard were bits and pieces of only what Mayte revealed, and some viewers/fans, and based on only a small portion of what Mayte mentioned about the loss of their child, some viewers/fand have taken a ridiculous route against the other parent, by using nsults, because they've drawn conclusions on how he handled his grief, then making acccusations that he didn't give his then wife, Mayte, moral support during the loss of their child. None of us knows what happened in their private moments off camera during that time.

All many fans are going on is drawing their own conclusions from the Oprah interview, and when Prince went on tour shortly after M & P's child passed. No one knows what transpired behind closed doors, with the cameras and spotlight off. People handle loss differently, sometimes in denial or refusing to discuss the loss of their child soon after the loss with anyone, including family members or indulging themselves in work and other things.

I'm sure many of us either know of a family member who lost a child or a friend, and seen them deal with their loss in their own way. You can't control how someone is suppose to grieve, based on your own opinions of 'how you think it should have been handled'. You can't go around accusing someone of being a control freak, and at the same time, thinking you have some right to control another's grief.That's a bit contradictive. Both parents deserve empathy for their loss, not insults. Regardless of how some fans get their information, only based on rumors, interviews Mayte and Prince had soon after their loss, which doesn't mean one spouse didn't give moral support to the other, during that time or that when was in less pain than the other. They both had to deal with the pain of losing their child. How they chose to handle it is their business. Slapping insults at Prince because he toured shortly after, does not mean the man was not feeling any pain for the loss of his child or doesn't think about him as time passes. I have never heard him say anything disrespectful about Mayte during or after their marriage.

If I said anything on this thread that was snarky or disrespectful in any way regarding either how I felt Mayte is speaking about her loss, which I don't believe I did, then I take that back, because I am not her or Prince and I cannot speak for their emotiions regarding the loss of their child or how they feel about it today.. Viewers watching the show are only hearing it from one side, in bits and pieces, and no one can say what Mayte's intentions are for being open about her loss on the show. Only she knows. All any of us can do is speculate, but we don't know the facts behind it, unless she expresses that herself.

I think what many of us need to remember is her discussing her loss doesn't mean it was an open invitation for anyone to slam or sling insults at her ex, based on fan rumors of their former relationship. Mayte made it clear her purpose on the show was not to hurt her ex, and that the show was all about her, not her ex, but I think some viewers/fans missed the point and turned it into that type of situation. I know some may disagree with me, and that's fine but I just think that some need to remember that it was both Prince and Mayte loss their child together, and that child was part of both of them. Regardless of how anyone feels about either of them, in the past or present day, they both deserve empathy for the loss of their child. Sorry for the rant, and I hope I didn't offend anyone, just expressing my personal opinion on this. Now disagreements are welcome to my opinion, but don't waste time implying my opinion is all about some silly-ass, koolaid drinking, so folks can squash that nonsense. Rant over. peace

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I just find it insulting people here think the woman has no right to publicly talk about her child simply because it's Prince child also, like she was simply a hired vessel

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TurnItUp said:

ThickeGirl said:

Mayte mentioned in an interview for this show that her second micarriage will be mentioned later in the show

I really don't get the nerve of some people here with their attitude that it's all about Prince and his feelings; that a mother cannot talk about the loss of her child! How dare you! The women has EVERY right to disuss her loss in whatever amount of detail she wants! Fuck Prince. He treated her like complete shit and was controlling during her pregnancy and after (I believe the Mojica sisters on what happened). A month later he's acting like everything is ok, going on interviews and tours while his grieving 22 year old wife is left alone to deal because he can't deal! Yet, we should be caring about him??? Everyone KNEW she was pregnant. The baby's heartbeat was in "Sex In The Summer." He mentions his child as if he was already here (based on the release date of the album) on "My Computer." Yet, when Oprah flat out asks them if the child is still alive (based on what was already out in the news) poor Mayte can't even speak and she turns to him to answer and the MF says "our family exists..." Okaaay. Be vague all you want to, but this crap is public record. I thought it was completely insensitve and bad husband mode to have his wife sitting up there acting like it's all good.

And we are supposed to FEEL for him??

My sister had a child that was still born, 22 years ago. We talk about him every year on his birthday and who he may have been. He is never forgotten. My sister has had two healthy children since then, but he is never forgotten. The pain is still there. I can't speak for Mayte, but if I went through the shit I read she went through, the pain would sting a little more

Agreed 100% and I believe those sisters story too.I am a Prince fanatic. I have loved him for nearly 30 years, but just because you are a fan doesn't mean you have to defend him in the wrong. You doin all this defending and he'd probably treat you like shit too. He may not talk about, but apparently loosing the baby has been an affect on him too. Exhibit A: The youtube baby lawsuit silliness. I don't care what none of you orgers say, that was rediculous and I ain't buying he was protecting his music bullshit, I believe that baby reminded him of his baby and I mentioned in a tread that got locked right away he wouldn't even come and hug pregnant Alicia Keys on his BET tribute. Why does Patti have to hug Alicia and the other girls for him instead of him hugging only Patti and Chaka. I don't think he would've had the patience to be a father.

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Not commenting on anything else on this post because I mainly agree with you.. But the bolded;

I dunno.... I think Prince would have been a doting and very affectionate parent. He seems to be very generous and giving to people he loves.

The thing is the love doesn't last very long and then the people are shell shocked when he has moved on. I don't think he would ever not love his children.... so therefore he would love them to a fault.

JMO

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Reply #264 posted 07/07/12 3:39pm

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I just find it insulting people here think the woman has no right to publicly talk about her child simply because it's Prince child also, like she was simply a hired vessel

Right or some surrogate for hire. This was HER baby that she carried for 9 months. HER baby.

She probably dreamed about him at night (I know I dreamed about my baby while pregnant).

She probably talked to him throughout the day... they had a relationship of sorts. She eats something and then the baby response to the stimulation of that particular food. Honestly you get to know your baby before the baby is born.

I CRAVED hot foods while pregnant. The HOTTER THE BETTER. I usually could take it or leave it before pg. My daughter today LOVES hot food. She is only 12. She has been this way since she was 3 or 4.

I knew she would like hot foods before she was even born.

I bet Mayte learned things about her baby as well. At to not be able to continue that relationship was terrible. People slamming her for letting all this grief out.

Let me ask this question to the critics:

Would it be better if she talked about this in a private doctor's office?

If so, you are judging how Mayte handles her grief, the same way people are saying that Prince is being judged for the way he handled his grief.

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Reply #265 posted 07/07/12 4:31pm

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On an unrelated note, I just watched a clip from the OPrah- Prince interview on Youtube and it shows Mayte's mother back in the day- GD she was Gorgeous!!!

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Reply #266 posted 07/07/12 5:18pm

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2elijah said:

She specified on the show she is Prince's ex-wife, and viewers were introduced to to her as that. When she mentioned she was pregnant, and lost the baby, it was obvious whose baby she was talking about. When she mentioned the miscarriage is what many were confused as to who she was pregnant from when that miscarriage happened.

Also, honestly, (and Crackobat, this is not specifically directed at you at all smile), I'm just expressing my general opinion regarding reactions to Mayte discussing the loss of her and ex's child. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this is how I'm starting to feel about the whole thing. I think it is disgusting and bad taste for anyone to insult a parent who lost their child. Both were the parents, and both deserve empathy. Whether some think they know how Prince and Mayte dealt with their loss in their private moments, based on what they only saw in interviews shortly after or slinging insults at Prince because he went on tour shortly after, does not mean he didn't give his then wife, Mayte moral and loving support about the loss of their child? Absolutely not. Unless you were with them in their most private moments to see the tears and pain, then none of us have a right to judge, including me.

None of us can just assume that based on interviews that followed or the fact that you didn't like his responses to the questions asked about their child, during an Oprah interview, that we have a right to slam a parent who lost their child. People handle their loss differently, and that was between Mayte and Prince. From this current hollywood exes show, all viewers heard were bits and pieces of only what Mayte revealed, and some viewers/fans, and based on only a small portion of what Mayte mentioned about the loss of their child, some viewers/fand have taken a ridiculous route against the other parent, by using nsults, because they've drawn conclusions on how he handled his grief, then making acccusations that he didn't give his then wife, Mayte, moral support during the loss of their child. None of us knows what happened in their private moments off camera during that time.

All many fans are going on is drawing their own conclusions from the Oprah interview, and when Prince went on tour shortly after M & P's child passed. No one knows what transpired behind closed doors, with the cameras and spotlight off. People handle loss differently, sometimes in denial or refusing to discuss the loss of their child soon after the loss with anyone, including family members or indulging themselves in work and other things.

I'm sure many of us either know of a family member who lost a child or a friend, and seen them deal with their loss in their own way. You can't control how someone is suppose to grieve, based on your own opinions of 'how you think it should have been handled'. You can't go around accusing someone of being a control freak, and at the same time, thinking you have some right to control another's grief.That's a bit contradictive. Both parents deserve empathy for their loss, not insults. Regardless of how some fans get their information, only based on rumors, interviews Mayte and Prince had soon after their loss, which doesn't mean one spouse didn't give moral support to the other, during that time or that when was in less pain than the other. They both had to deal with the pain of losing their child. How they chose to handle it is their business. Slapping insults at Prince because he toured shortly after, does not mean the man was not feeling any pain for the loss of his child or doesn't think about him as time passes. I have never heard him say anything disrespectful about Mayte during or after their marriage.

If I said anything on this thread that was snarky or disrespectful in any way regarding either how I felt Mayte is speaking about her loss, which I don't believe I did, then I take that back, because I am not her or Prince and I cannot speak for their emotiions regarding the loss of their child or how they feel about it today.. Viewers watching the show are only hearing it from one side, in bits and pieces, and no one can say what Mayte's intentions are for being open about her loss on the show. Only she knows. All any of us can do is speculate, but we don't know the facts behind it, unless she expresses that herself.

I think what many of us need to remember is her discussing her loss doesn't mean it was an open invitation for anyone to slam or sling insults at her ex, based on fan rumors of their former relationship. Mayte made it clear her purpose on the show was not to hurt her ex, and that the show was all about her, not her ex, but I think some viewers/fans missed the point and turned it into that type of situation. I know some may disagree with me, and that's fine but I just think that some need to remember that it was both Prince and Mayte loss their child together, and that child was part of both of them. Regardless of how anyone feels about either of them, in the past or present day, they both deserve empathy for the loss of their child. Sorry for the rant, and I hope I didn't offend anyone, just expressing my personal opinion on this. Now disagreements are welcome to my opinion, but don't waste time implying my opinion is all about some silly-ass, koolaid drinking, so folks can squash that nonsense. Rant over. peace

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I just find it insulting people here think the woman has no right to publicly talk about her child simply because it's Prince child also, like she was simply a hired vessel

Well, I see it as a private matter, and usually celeb couples who lose a child try to deal with it privately, until they feel comfortable to discuss it publically with others, like Mayte is doing on the current show, but only giving bits and pieces of how she dealt with her losses. In my opinion, maybe she should seek therapy to try to find some peace, but it is not my place to tell a grieving parent how to grieve, and there is nothing wrong with thinking about one's loss after a number of years past by. It's normal to have empathy for a parent or parents who have lost their child, but I just find that some people will draw unfounded conclusions from her emotions and somehow, use that as an invitation to bash her ex-husband, who lost the same child, and some have made accusations that are unconfirmed, that he didn't support his wife during the grieving process, as if some who have said this, were there in Prince and Mayte's presence in their most private moments, at the time of their loss..

Like I said, many handle their grief in their own way, and whether any of us agree on how one handles it, it is not our place to tell someone how they should. I empathize with both parents, having a mother who lost her child the day of his birth, and she was not allowed to see or hold the son she carried full term, and she dealt with her grief by immediately indulging herself in work to deal with it, and never discussed it again until years later. All I'm saying is people grieve in their own ways, even if we don't agree, but the least some could do is hold their personal prejudices, and respect both parents for the loss of their child. No one here can confirm he didn't give moral support to his wife during the loss of their child. It is not anyone's place to tell them how they should have grieved over their son, and I'm sure if any of the insults were directed at anyone here who lost a child and read it, it would hurt. Anyway, that's all I got, and my opinion is nothing personal towards anyone, just expressing an open opinion is all, and anyone is welcome to disagree, but I stand by my opinion. And by the way, just to clarify, this is not about drinking some purple koolaid, because I don't know Prince or Mayte personally. That's all I got for now. peace smile

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Reply #267 posted 07/07/12 6:53pm

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prodigalfan said:

ThickeGirl said:

I just find it insulting people here think the woman has no right to publicly talk about her child simply because it's Prince child also, like she was simply a hired vessel

Right or some surrogate for hire. This was HER baby that she carried for 9 months. HER baby.

She probably dreamed about him at night (I know I dreamed about my baby while pregnant).

She probably talked to him throughout the day... they had a relationship of sorts. She eats something and then the baby response to the stimulation of that particular food. Honestly you get to know your baby before the baby is born.

I CRAVED hot foods while pregnant. The HOTTER THE BETTER. I usually could take it or leave it before pg. My daughter today LOVES hot food. She is only 12. She has been this way since she was 3 or 4.

I knew she would like hot foods before she was even born.

I bet Mayte learned things about her baby as well. At to not be able to continue that relationship was terrible. People slamming her for letting all this grief out.

Let me ask this question to the critics:

Would it be better if she talked about this in a private doctor's office?

If so, you are judging how Mayte handles her grief, the same way people are saying that Prince is being judged for the way he handled his grief.

Nobody is slamming Mayte for her grief (I am critical of her 4 other reasons, just not a fan) it is actually the other way around in this thread, people are slamming Prince based in rumours/stories that they have heard as if he did not lose a child as well.

She wants to bear her soul to a tv audience that is her right, I don't particularly like to discuss the loss of Their child, but what people are doing on here is slamming another parent based on bullshit rumours. How do you slam a man for how he chooses to handle the loss of his child, especially since none of us has any first hand knowledge of what went on behind closed doors. Criticizing Prince on how he chose to deal with the loss of Their child is insulting.

Besides if he did pull way from his then wife, right or wrong that is his perogative.

Kool Aid drinking comment always kill me, as if the opposing sides opinions are the only valid opinions. neutral

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Reply #268 posted 07/08/12 2:47pm

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the part where Mayte is on the beach and she is saying how she wasn't going to be sad and that she like to go to the beach because if she sees a dolphin it is on and then a dolphin appears. Was Magical.

How beautiful do the words have 2 be
Before they conquer every heart?
How will U know if I'm even in the right key
If U make me stop before I start?

CHORUS:
If I came back as a dolphin
Would U listen 2 me then?
Would U let me be your friend?
Would U let me in?
U can cut off all my fins
But 2 your ways I will not bend
I'll die before I let U tell me how 2 swim
And I'll come back again as a dolphin

Why does my brother have 2 go hungry
When U told him there was food 4 all?
This is the man that stands next 2 the man
That stands 2 catch U when U fall (Oh!)

CHORUS

If I'm under water, will U find me? (Find me {x4})
Will U shine a light and try 2 guide me?
It's happened before, I've knocked on your door
But U wouldn't let me in

How beautiful do the words have 2 be
Before they conquer every heart? (Oh!)

If I came back as a dolphin
Would U listen 2 me then?
Would U let me be your friend?
Would U let me in?
U can cut off all my fins
But 2 your ways I will not bend
I'll die before I let U tell me how 2 swim
Come back in the end as a dolphin (Oh)
(I'll come back, baby)
(Let me in, let me in) As a dolphin
(Be my friend) Dolphin
(Yeah, yeah)

Dolphin
As a dolphin
As a dolphin
As a dolphin

for some of us who believe in the magic of the NPG... that was his way of saying .... I am still here but not as that dude but as a dolphin.

and her reaction when she saw it. Says she still believes... smile

Magical moment.

Father God please bless The Mother of The New Power Generation.

-You know who

within this loveletter

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Reply #269 posted 07/08/12 8:05pm

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I obviously missed something. who are the Mojica sisters and what do they have to do with this?

p.s.

i don't trust Mani either. as soon as she walked onto the screen i thought "i don't trust this bitch."
she has the aura of the type of person who'll get you to confide in them and then turn around and tell what you said to the person you were talking about and then turn back around to you and try to convince you that she told for the greater good, especially yours. and, scripted or not, i thought it was low down and dirty to brag about her baby to mayte. any real friend would have refused to do something like that. she ain't about shit and mayte needs to wise up and dump her ass.

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