i have been on this website since the the 90s and have always checked it now and again...its always had its broad range of opinions on prince and his work and had its fair share of trolls but i must admit now we are in 2015 and prince has been making music and touring for 37 years almost non stop and he is approaching his own 57th birthday...i find the almost constant negativity on this website draining...we all must have been touched by his music at some point in our lives or we wouldnt be here...he has coloured most of my life with his wonderful music and he has never failed to fascinate me ever since i first heard little red corvette way back in 1983..

i think we should remember that he aint going to be with us forever and we all know he can be a stubborn control freak who likes to change his mind at the drop of a hat which is can drive his fans crazy but none of that takes away from his genius in my opinion...and their isnt many born with the talent he was..i believe he is unique and a one off...i think we need to remember that sometimes and stop being so negative all the time here...yes..his music isnt as great as the 80s but who's music is ?...

anyway..just a wee rant from an old timer...you dont know what you have until its gone is as true as it gets..

You summirized pretty much my feelings towards the atmosphere here. Let along the inter group bashing. We should have a like button on here.

I do agree with everything you said but (I have to add the but), some of the negativity is warranted. We all (or most) have been fans for a long time who have put up with Prince's crazy antics and still come back, still pay crazy amounts for his shows, still waits for new music from him and the whatever girl he is fucking at the time. He put out the best album he has made in years (AOA) and he barely promoted it but focused on the 3rdeyeGirl project (which wasn't that good). He knows his fans -hardcore and casual would love to hear the remasters, yet he let that ship sail. I know we are not privy to the business meetings he has with Warners, but for once just once I would like for him to take one for the team and do something for the fans who have stood by him through the years. No twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Youtube, etc. it makes no sense AT ALL. People are tired of his antics man.

blackbob said:

i have been on this website since the the 90s and have always checked it now and again...its always had its broad range of opinions on prince and his work and had its fair share of trolls but i must admit now we are in 2015 and prince has been making music and touring for 37 years almost non stop and he is approaching his own 57th birthday...i find the almost constant negativity on this website draining...we all must have been touched by his music at some point in our lives or we wouldnt be here...he has coloured most of my life with his wonderful music and he has never failed to fascinate me ever since i first heard little red corvette way back in 1983..

i think we should remember that he aint going to be with us forever and we all know he can be a stubborn control freak who likes to change his mind at the drop of a hat which is can drive his fans crazy but none of that takes away from his genius in my opinion...and their isnt many born with the talent he was..i believe he is unique and a one off...i think we need to remember that sometimes and stop being so negative all the time here...yes..his music isnt as great as the 80s but who's music is ?...

anyway..just a wee rant from an old timer...you dont know what you have until its gone is as true as it gets..

Getting? It's BEEN boring 4 years................

I also think we are 'conditioned' after a wile to see the negative, yet there are so many positive threads discussing time periods, music etc

Have U actually clicked on any of these threads below, I mean, I'm not seeing this negativity to the degree you are talking about. Yes there are people who's opinions maybe harsh some just plain ignorant. But I just think in general it's what we choose to see and take part in.

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antonb said:

The points you make are valid, and to be frank, pretty obvious. But prince ain't dead yet. And that's why I and some others can be negative, because he is by his standard, coasting along.Prince is his own worst enemy. And with that,you have to take the rough with the smooth.And a bit of critisium. I think most on here support prince. Its the lack of communication that's the big problem I think

Yeah, people are only here because they care so much.

Shouldn't this be posted in the prince.org site discussion forum? http://prince.org/msg/3

blackbob said:

i have been on this website since the the 90s and have always checked it now and again...its always had its broad range of opinions on prince and his work and had its fair share of trolls but i must admit now we are in 2015 and prince has been making music and touring for 37 years almost non stop and he is approaching his own 57th birthday...i find the almost constant negativity on this website draining...we all must have been touched by his music at some point in our lives or we wouldnt be here...he has coloured most of my life with his wonderful music and he has never failed to fascinate me ever since i first heard little red corvette way back in 1983..

i think we should remember that he aint going to be with us forever and we all know he can be a stubborn control freak who likes to change his mind at the drop of a hat which is can drive his fans crazy but none of that takes away from his genius in my opinion...and their isnt many born with the talent he was..i believe he is unique and a one off...i think we need to remember that sometimes and stop being so negative all the time here...yes..his music isnt as great as the 80s but who's music is ?...

anyway..just a wee rant from an old timer...you dont know what you have until its gone is as true as it gets..

I agree with a lot of that.

But I also understand how being a Prince fan can be very frustrating. Like now, for instance. He's allegedly on a tour but he has only played two venues in the last month. Not much of a tour! Prince never seems to do anything in a logical, business-like way - at least, not compared to every other band. But he's Prince. He can do what he wants.

The only thing he's done in the last 10 years that was a downer was Lotu$$$flower. I got my shirt but I sure didn't get $77 worth of value from that turkey. But other than that, I have no complaints.

I feel like you do - appreciate what we have, and don't expect anything else until you actually have it. Shucks, Prince has provided us with more music (one way or the other, LOL) than just about any artist in history.

I agree completely Blackbob, but sometimes people are quick to call you negative when all you're having is an opinion on something. I think it's healthy to give your opinion but not be shot down when you're saying you don't like this or that.

Just my 2 cents

Prince is the supplier and we are his customers. A bit of customer satisfaction every now and then wouldnt go amiss. Why not give us the reissue and outtakes from PR? Why is that a bad thing? Why is he blocking it? Dont tell us it will be for sale when clearly there are no plans to stock it. Its a poor customer experience. Why not have your wares on view in places like YouTube, Facebook etc? Whats wrong with letting your customers browse for old and new product alike? Poor customer experience. Why setup a website and put up big clearance sale signs giving the impression that the shelves will be stocked with rarities for $77 all-in, and then leave the shelves empty? Poor customer experience. Why produce one of his best albums in years and then hide it without any sales promotion? Poor customer experience. Why have outlets like Housequake.com which promote your product for free taken down by fear of prosecution, along with many other free promotional avenues setup at the fan's own costs? Poor customer experience.

If Prince stopped being so against what his fans wanted every now and then, then his fans wouldnt be so negative as often. Sure, he provides a lot of product but that doesnt negate the fact that for every good experience there is a poor experience. It was/is our money that we gave to him that made him rich. In return he has given us some fantastic music, but he has also given us the runaround too and sometimes it gets too much to just sit back and be quiet about. So I understand the negativity. Its borne out of the frustration of having these poor experiences that are avoidable and needless in most cases. Especially when there appears to be no rhyme or reason for most of it. It is baffling to say the least.

Having said all that, there is also a lot of positivity on the site. Most of us havent lost sight of the fact that Prince is an exceptional artist. We also have a lot of the flip side to the negativity where the idol worship gets way out of hand too. We have all flavours here on the org. But things do tend towards the negative side when very little is going on in Prince world. Because that is when Prince likes to play his games and tease us with things that end up being shelved, thus increasing the tension amongst his fans.

bigd74 said:

I agree completely Blackbob, but sometimes people are quick to call you negative when all you're having is an opinion on something. I think it's healthy to give your opinion but not be shot down when you're saying you don't like this or that.

Just my 2 cents

One thing I learned from terminally ill people or people recovering from illness or extreme hardship, is they don't like people to be all smiles sunshine and rainbows.
They want people to be 'frank' to be themselves, to smile and yell. To encourage and put them in their place.
I think people assume if it isn't a pat on the back then it's a knife in the back.

It all goes back to Prince, and this shows why the org serves a function that none of the other sites ever did. Many folks are on the org because they couldn't get real information from luv41a or npgmc.com back in the day. The org's news updates used to be frequent, and more accurate than anything Prince's camp put out. And, refreshingly, it was the only place you could read real opinions of how truly bland the music was at that time.

Had he made better decisions throughout the career, I honestly think you'd see a more 'positive' website. I'd also add that Prince fans aren't negative, but rather they have higher expectations and standards than fans of other musicians. Is Bart being negative when he points out the obvious in Prince's less-than-logical behavior? Or when he points out when a fan makes a widely inaccurate assumption? I think what you see on the org is real debate in every forum with real differences in a opinion. As a matter of fact,t he most negative things I see come from fans who criticise other fans as being 'haters' because they don't sing the praises of material that, quite honestly, doesn't deserve to be in the catalogue of Prince releases.

Then there are fans who complain about his behavior, like being charged double for lotusflo3r, not have a hotline they can call for his websites, etc. That makes the org even more vital in the community. When lotusflow3r was flopping, fans were being sued, the websites were being threatenned, the org was one of the few (and sometimes ONLY places) that people could turn to to get information or vent. I recall the org moderators trying desperately to get ahold of ANYONE from npgmc to clarify and workthrough several Prince mishapes (including being charge double for lotusflow3r subcriptions), and getting the information to fans (who by the way, ARE CONSUMERS) because there was no way to reach anyone related to Prince to get a clarification.

Sooooooo, I don't think the org is negative at all--I think it is vital. I also think anything that can be pointed out as negative is Prince's fault. He "nurtured" the kind of fans he has.

Blixical said:

It all goes back to Prince, and this shows why the org serves a function that none of the other sites ever did. Many folks are on the org because they couldn't get real information from luv41a or npgmc.com back in the day. The org's news updates used to be frequent, and more accurate than anything Prince's camp put out. And, refreshingly, it was the only place you could read real opinions of how truly bland the music was at that time.

Had he made better decisions throughout the career, I honestly think you'd see a more 'positive' website. I'd also add that Prince fans aren't negative, but rather they have higher expectations and standards than fans of other musicians. Is Bart being negative when he points out the obvious in Prince's less-than-logical behavior? Or when he points out when a fan makes a widely inaccurate assumption? I think what you see on the org is real debate in every forum with real differences in a opinion. As a matter of fact,t he most negative things I see come from fans who criticise other fans as being 'haters' because they don't sing the praises of material that, quite honestly, doesn't deserve to be in the catalogue of Prince releases.

Then there are fans who complain about his behavior, like being charged double for lotusflo3r, not have a hotline they can call for his websites, etc. That makes the org even more vital in the community. When lotusflow3r was flopping, fans were being sued, the websites were being threatenned, the org was one of the few (and sometimes ONLY places) that people could turn to to get information or vent. I recall the org moderators trying desperately to get ahold of ANYONE from npgmc to clarify and workthrough several Prince mishapes (including being charge double for lotusflow3r subcriptions), and getting the information to fans (who by the way, ARE CONSUMERS) because there was no way to reach anyone related to Prince to get a clarification.

Sooooooo, I don't think the org is negative at all--I think it is vital. I also think anything that can be pointed out as negative is Prince's fault. He "nurtured" the kind of fans he has.

Bingo

blackbob said:

i have been on this website since the the 90s and have always checked it now and again...its always had its broad range of opinions on prince and his work and had its fair share of trolls but i must admit now we are in 2015 and prince has been making music and touring for 37 years almost non stop and he is approaching his own 57th birthday...i find the almost constant negativity on this website draining...we all must have been touched by his music at some point in our lives or we wouldnt be here...he has coloured most of my life with his wonderful music and he has never failed to fascinate me ever since i first heard little red corvette way back in 1983..

i think we should remember that he aint going to be with us forever and we all know he can be a stubborn control freak who likes to change his mind at the drop of a hat which is can drive his fans crazy but none of that takes away from his genius in my opinion...and their isnt many born with the talent he was..i believe he is unique and a one off...i think we need to remember that sometimes and stop being so negative all the time here...yes..his music isnt as great as the 80s but who's music is ?...

anyway..just a wee rant from an old timer...you dont know what you have until its gone is as true as it gets..

thank you! your words are refreshing.

_

reading so many negative comments about prince from some of these orgers is like swimming with blood sucking leeches. they constantly sling negative feetback about prince, yet i bet if 95% of these leeches met Prince in person they'd do a 180 and be all smiles and in a state of mental prostration in his presence.

_

thx again!

NorthC said:

The negativity about the negativity is getting boring...

A little. This ain't no MJ forum.
What are we supposed to be all, Carebears?

In that case, we're the


A great deal of the time, the "negativity" expressed is humour to me.
Dark, maybe, but still humour.
A lot of orgers take things too seriously.
Of course we all love the man.

We're bitching in the hopeless hope someone's going to report to the Prince how the streets feel, I guess.
Also because some of the zealots here are so close to fanatism that it's just a sane reaction to mock them a little.

Some of us are europeans, which maybe explains the distorsion some statements get in their interpretation.
Bitchin' about something on the org is often an intentional exageration. I don't think there are real "negative" orgers.
Maybe a troll or two, but their lack of style makes it easy to spot them.

So be patient, and tolerate that vox populi isn't always a nice melody.