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An open letter to Ben. Dear Ben,
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Stymie said: I am not the only person to feel this way. I love this place and always have. I do not like what it has become.  I'm with you 100%...and might I add.
No one wants to come to a place where we are bound and shackled by rules or cernsorship. But rules and cencorship are what is needed to keep this a respectable place. We all agree with this, I'm sure. But it appears that hard rules are needed just as much for the moderators as they are for the regular joe. It's been said 1000s of times in the past.  And I help devise and enforce policies and rules at my place of employment for over 1000 employees. It's difficult, and oft times down right annoying. But it's not impossible nor is anything set in stone. Just saying...
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Racism is an issue in P&R for sure.
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hi Ben! just wanted to say that this is a really fun place to hang on the internet and, despite a few glitches here and there, one of the best fansites i've ever seen.
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SCNDLS said: Co-
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I don't post in areas like P&R because of all the racist talk over there and stuff like trolling is all over areas like P:M&M and all of it is disturbing. I hope Ivy's letter does not fall on deaf ears. [Edited 5/28/08 8:10am] Prince.org is a cemetery where folks mourn Prince instead of celebrate him and his music. Last time I checked, Prince isn't dead yet.
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This website is not a sanctuary.
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Co-sign to everthing said , especially the trolling , I've been giving P:M &M a wide berth for the last few weeks and will be for the foreseeable future , I simply dont enjoy it there anymore . Maybe in the future we'll have some new mods who actually care about the state of that section of the site and don't just see it as an inconvenient stop on the way on the way to the General Discussion forum . It's a shame . Check out Chocadelica , updated with Lotusflow3r and MPLSound album lyrics April 2nd 2009 :
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moonshine said: Co-sign to everthing said , especially the trolling , I've been giving P:M &M a wide berth for the last few weeks and will be for the foreseeable future , I simply dont enjoy it there anymore . Maybe in the future we'll have some new mods who actually care about the state of that section of the site and don't just see it as an inconvenient stop on the way on the way to the General Discussion forum . It's a shame .
Moonshine, I couldn't have said it any better if I tried, especially the last part about GD. What this all comes down to is respect. It's been 9 years since I joined the org and while it's been rough here from the start, it's been steadily going further down the drain each year and now it's to the point where I don't enjoy coming here either. The whole site is just depressing. It's because I'm still a Prince fan that I come here but the lack of respect amongst orgers is just amazing and disturbing. I would hope that the mods here are more vigilant in going after those who make it a point to be disrespectful in all areas of this site. This site is too good for it to go in the direction that it's going and I hope that things will get better here soon. Prince.org is a cemetery where folks mourn Prince instead of celebrate him and his music. Last time I checked, Prince isn't dead yet.
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Stymie said: Dear Ben,
My name is Ivy and I have been an active member of this community for over seven years. During this time, I have gained a reputation for being one of the more difficult, outspoken Orgers. I speak out when I feel there is an injustice here, even when people tell me to stop being so serious, this is not a democracy, etc. Regardless, this has been a place that I have come to love because of the sense of community here. I have made many friends. My reasons for writing this are for many reasons: The racism displayed is out of control. The same Orgers are drawn to race thread and do the same baiting and making offensive comments with no consequence. The trolling is making it more difficult to enjoy the site. The favoritism shown by mods is becoming more and more evident every day. Permanently banned Orgers who are friends/friendly with mods are allowed to stay while others are not. Permanently banned Orgers even post pictures of themselves here. I do not particularly care if this goes on but at least be fair about it. One stays, all stay. One goes, all go. There are no uniform rules to the site. I do understand that what one person finds offensive, another may not and ultimately the mods have last word but what if more than one person finds something offensive? Can we have more hard and set rules? Can we have additional rules? Mods are not responding to requests for the actions taken against Orgers. I am just one person and I know what I say really doesn’t amount to a hill of beans but I am not the only person to feel this way. I love this place and always have. I do not like what it has become.  Ivy....I've gotten to the point where it doesn't matter anymore. I know that's not a good thing, but I'm tired.  ONLY LOSERS FEAR A MORE LEVEL PLAYING FIELD~~Sananda Maitreya Beware of men that will not go down! (I wish my momma had taught me all this)-BklynBabe | |
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Stymie said: The racism displayed is out of control. The same Orgers are drawn to race thread and do the same baiting and making offensive comments with no consequence.
The follow is my opinion only and not necessarily the "official" views of prince.org. I really must take issue with the suggestion that we tolerate racism on the site. Probably the quickest way to get a prince.org account permanently banned is to post a blatantly racist remark. We're extremely serious about that. The same goes for homophobic comments or other hate speech. "Baiting" has been an issue, yes. In a handful of cases I've seen, it's questionable whether the poster was trying to start a flame war or simply expressing an unpopular opinion. Also, race is a sensitive issue, and discussions of race seem to provoke heated comments. (That's one of the major reasons why we have a separate Politics & Religion forum.) But in situations where it's clear that the user is trying to stir up trouble, we won't hesitate to remove the offending post and impose sanctions against the user, which can include suspensions or a permanent ban. I've seen records of many such sanctions in the moderation logs, and I've imposed them myself at times. Genuine baiting is something that needs to be dealt with quickly and severely IMHO, in part because it provokes a slew of replies that require editing and/or removal, along with a large amount of moderator time and effort for the cleanup job. The favoritism shown by mods is becoming more and more evident every day. Permanently banned Orgers who are friends/friendly with mods are allowed to stay while others are not. Permanently banned Orgers even post pictures of themselves here. I do not particularly care if this goes on but at least be fair about it. One stays, all stay. One goes, all go.
If you see a permanently banned .orger who's returned to the site under another account, please report this to the mods. (Remember that we're unable to review every single post, due to the high traffic on the forums, and so we depend a great deal upon user reports.) Alternate accounts of banned users are subject to being banned on sight, period. Lately we have had some criticism over perceived favoritism because of disparities in sanctions imposed against different users for similar behavior. Without going into too much detail, it's important to note that moderation decisions are made on a case-by-case basis, and they often take into account information that we typically don't make public, such as a user's history of past rule violations. Here's an example: Let's say that two users, X and Y, have a pattern of engaging in the same type of behavior. They both get privately reprimanded, suspended, and eventually told that one more infraction will result in a perma-ban. X chooses to heed the warning, but Y doesn't and gets perma-banned as a result. This often provokes an outcry from users who call for the head of X and complain of favoritism, when in reality, X didn't get banned because he (finally) started refraining from the behavior that got Y booted for good. What seems like a double standard is actually nothing more than taking into account the individual circumstances surrounding each user. * * * I'm sorry if I seem dismissive of your concerns. We have room for improvement (and always will), but I felt these two issues strongly called for an alternative view from a mod perspective. I do hope that other mods -- and Ben -- will jump in and offer their . I'll address another one of your concerns in a separate reply.(Possibly, but probably not) Sent from my iPhone 3G |
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Stymie said: There are no uniform rules to the site. I do understand that what one person finds offensive, another may not and ultimately the mods have last word but what if more than one person finds something offensive? Can we have more hard and set rules? Can we have additional rules?
This is a challenge. In my experience, hard and fast rules -- even ones enacted with good intentions -- have a way of producing bad moderation decisions. (Exhibit "A" is the former three-strikes rule.) One reason is that they restrict the ability of a moderator to take into account the unique circumstances of each incident. Another problem is that they make it easier for troublemakers to exploit loopholes in the rules and then cry foul when they're sanctioned for something that arguably doesn't constitute a violation of the letter of the law. Also, despite the site being a "benevolent dictatorship," on the whole, we're pretty laid-back. I think many users like that, and I fear that getting too strict with rules could drive folks away. That said, I'm certainly interested in suggestions. Do you -- or anybody -- have ideas for specific rules that you'd like to see added? Is there certain conduct that you think should be explicitly forbidden? Sanctions that should be automatically imposed for certain conduct? Something else? Let's hear it! (Possibly, but probably not) Sent from my iPhone 3G |
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matt said: Stymie said: There are no uniform rules to the site. I do understand that what one person finds offensive, another may not and ultimately the mods have last word but what if more than one person finds something offensive? Can we have more hard and set rules? Can we have additional rules?
This is a challenge. In my experience, hard and fast rules -- even ones enacted with good intentions -- have a way of producing bad moderation decisions. (Exhibit "A" is the former three-strikes rule.) One reason is that they restrict the ability of a moderator to take into account the unique circumstances of each incident. Another problem is that they make it easier for troublemakers to exploit loopholes in the rules and then cry foul when they're sanctioned for something that arguably doesn't constitute a violation of the letter of the law. Also, despite the site being a "benevolent dictatorship," on the whole, we're pretty laid-back. I think many users like that, and I fear that getting too strict with rules could drive folks away. That said, I'm certainly interested in suggestions. Do you -- or anybody -- have ideas for specific rules that you'd like to see added? Is there certain conduct that you think should be explicitly forbidden? Sanctions that should be automatically imposed for certain conduct? Something else? Let's hear it! .. an example .. i know P&R is a tough forum and not too many Moderators over there right now .. i dont understand why if a person doesnt like a topic, why are they posting in it to start trouble? at the top of the forum states rules.. Civility, respect and tolerance must be maintained at all times. Disagree if you wish, but do not attack other individuals on the basis of their beliefs. .. and yet, people will still come and attack the Bible and what they dont like, if u dont believe, then dont even post, but it's like people have something to prove by commenting bad posts and 'want' to fight.. and they whine and cry and have to say it in 20 threads a week  .. to prove what to who? .. we already know your opinion, so why are you saying it in 20 different threads? if u dont like a thread, leave the thread alone.. if u dont like church, the Bible, just move on... "Happy Birthday Israel" thread couldnt just stay on celebration, no, .. all other nonsense comes into the thread.. and it's a Birthday thread .. just sayin' folks have something to prove cause they have no self restrain to just move along ..which is what is wrong anyway.. no self control (and yes, even i have blown up in threads, but i learned to move on and let it go.. i dont have to state my opinion in 20 different threads..) ..my question is... if people have a pattern of this behavior, (of being confrontational always on subjects they shouldnt be posting on) .. shouldnt they be censored? cause really, people refuse to be mature enough to move along, maybe a Moderator can help them... this is not about 'controlling' people either... if a person really wants peace, then they should 'show it' and move along.... (i have a candidate in mind to vote for, for president.. does that mean i jump in every thread of the opposing candidate to bait? but this is what people are doing)
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I have only been posting in P&R since 2003 so I am not a long time veteran in the forum like some others but as I have said recently, I have noticed a change as of late.
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matt said:
I really must take issue with the suggestion that we tolerate racism on the site. Probably the quickest way to get a prince.org account permanently banned is to post a blatantly racist remark. We're extremely serious about that. The same goes for homophobic comments or other hate speech.
I am sorry but I wholeheartedly disagree. I do believe it is tolerated for whatever reason and like I said before and in reports to mods, the same people keep doing the same thing and they are still here. I will not name nmaes but one Orger in non-Prince has made more than one racist thread and is still here. Perhaps mods just disagree with what racism is? matt said: "Baiting" has been an issue, yes. In a handful of cases I've seen, it's questionable whether the poster was trying to start a flame war or simply expressing an unpopular opinion. Also, race is a sensitive issue, and discussions of race seem to provoke heated comments. (That's one of the major reasons why we have a separate Politics & Religion forum.)
I agree. matt said: But in situations where it's clear that the user is trying to stir up trouble, we won't hesitate to remove the offending post and impose sanctions against the user, which can include suspensions or a permanent ban. I've seen records of many such sanctions in the moderation logs, and I've imposed them myself at times. Genuine baiting is something that needs to be dealt with quickly and severely IMHO, in part because it provokes a slew of replies that require editing and/or removal, along with a large amount of moderator time and effort for the cleanup job.
I disagree again. Twelve people can say a user is baiting and a mod will disagree thus shutting the process down. If you see a permanently banned .orger who's returned to the site under another account, please report this to the mods. (Remember that we're unable to review every single post, due to the high traffic on the forums, and so we depend a great deal upon user reports.) Alternate accounts of banned users are subject to being banned on sight, period. The part just cracks me up. Sorry, Matt. 
I have reported permanently banned Orgers and guess what? They are still here. Mods sticky threads about them and everything.  But if it's a person that particular mod doesn't like, they are banned again with the quickness whether they are behaving or not.
Lately we have had some criticism over perceived favoritism because of disparities in sanctions imposed against different users for similar behavior. Without going into too much detail, it's important to note that moderation decisions are made on a case-by-case basis, and they often take into account information that we typically don't make public, such as a user's history of past rule violations. Here's an example:
Let's say that two users, X and Y, have a pattern of engaging in the same type of behavior. They both get privately reprimanded, suspended, and eventually told that one more infraction will result in a perma-ban. X chooses to heed the warning, but Y doesn't and gets perma-banned as a result. This often provokes an outcry from users who call for the head of X and complain of favoritism, when in reality, X didn't get banned because he (finally) started refraining from the behavior that got Y booted for good. What seems like a double standard is actually nothing more than taking into account the individual circumstances surrounding each user. I do believe that is the case sometimes and I am not aware of what warnings a user might get so I am gonna go along with what you said here. * * * I'm sorry if I seem dismissive of your concerns. We have room for improvement (and always will), but I felt these two issues strongly called for an alternative view from a mod perspective. I do hope that other mods -- and Ben -- will jump in and offer their I do not feel you are disminssive at all and I do appreciate you taking the time to even respond. . I'll address another one of your concerns in a separate reply. | |
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matt said: Stymie said: There are no uniform rules to the site. I do understand that what one person finds offensive, another may not and ultimately the mods have last word but what if more than one person finds something offensive? Can we have more hard and set rules? Can we have additional rules?
This is a challenge. In my experience, hard and fast rules -- even ones enacted with good intentions -- have a way of producing bad moderation decisions. (Exhibit "A" is the former three-strikes rule.) One reason is that they restrict the ability of a moderator to take into account the unique circumstances of each incident. Another problem is that they make it easier for troublemakers to exploit loopholes in the rules and then cry foul when they're sanctioned for something that arguably doesn't constitute a violation of the letter of the law. Also, despite the site being a "benevolent dictatorship," on the whole, we're pretty laid-back. I think many users like that, and I fear that getting too strict with rules could drive folks away. That said, I'm certainly interested in suggestions. Do you -- or anybody -- have ideas for specific rules that you'd like to see added? Is there certain conduct that you think should be explicitly forbidden? Sanctions that should be automatically imposed for certain conduct? Something else? Let's hear it! Somethings are willy nilly and somethings are vice-grip tight.
I would suggest a three mod "panel" before anyone is banned, for instance. Many times, mods' personal feelings about someone get in the way of them being impartial. Some of the mods are personal friends of mine but have no problem in warning me or giving me a kick in the head if I need it. I suggest there actually be a grievance process. I should not have had to write this thread in order to be heard. Of course I know Ben is super busy but to tell Orgers ot contact him and never heard from him is not cool. I suggest that mods actually respond to orgnotes about warnings to Orgers. I have been warned twice with the mod offering no explanation. I suggest there be a uniform rule on avatars and profile pics. I had a avatar be denied (no nudity, by the way) and later would see avatars with tits and ass. I suggest when things are reported as racism or whatever, that the Orgers say why they feel that way and if a mod disagrees why they feel it's not. In the times I have reported something, I have no idea of the outcome. This is off the top of my head. I am sure other people have suggestions as well. | |
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JDInteractive said: ...either that or doing something more worthwhile with our time. I do plenty of worthwhile things with my time and coming here to the Org is the thing I do to escape that for a little while. I see zero wrong in asking to make things better here when I'm here. Sorry you think I'm a loser with no life. | |
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noimageatall said: Ivy....I've gotten to the point where it doesn't matter anymore. I know that's not a good thing, but I'm tired. | |
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Stymie said: noimageatall said: Ivy....I've gotten to the point where it doesn't matter anymore. I know that's not a good thing, but I'm tired. You have every right to do so | |
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shanti0608 said: Racism is an issue in P&R for sure.
I woke up to a thread called: Was There Ever A Time In Your Life That You (ALMOST) Hated White People From USA? I was surprised how many replies it got. Really, I cannot imagine that thread being posted regarding any other race. Luckily the mods had sense to remove it. Was it right before or right after you took the time to notice that there were white orgers as well as black orgers that had an answer to that question? And did you also notice that the orgers that answer that thread understood the correct context of that question better than you? [snipped - June7] Given the circumstances that P&R is suppose to be the forum to discussion "politics" & "religion", that thread of my was the perfect opportunity to find out how my fellow orgers of all skin colors were able to overcome and/or resist the temptation of those kinds of sin known as "racism" & "hatred", both subjects that are a political & spiritual problem. But sadly, there were some people [bait snipped - June7] that blew the whole purpose of that thread out of context and demanded for any mods to lock or remove it. And to make matters far worse, one of the people that wanted that thread remove is also one of the same small group of orgers that has made it an everyday habits of using flame baits to potential ruining even the most positive and/or most educational thread because they don't agree with people that don't seen things the way they do. #1: If anyone has a problem with one of my threads OR one of my posts, they need to be man or woman enough to tell me directly by reply to my post and/or tell me via orgnotes so I can be giving a fair opportunity to explain myself. It doesn't make any sense to keep telling mods only your side of the stories like it "final law" and not give the other person the fair opportunity to explain his/her side of the story right before any mods is rush to make any final decisions on anything. #2: We're all "mature" adults here and we need to act like "mature" adults. Posting flame baits on threads that you don't like isn't acting like an adult at all. That is acting like a child that loves to cry & whine because nothing is going his/her way. And that's all I need to say on the matter. However Ben and the mods decides to handle the situation is their business. I'm just happy for the long 4 years of membership that I have in prince.org & hope it doesn't end on a controversial note. [Edited 5/30/08 2:39am] Tupac "Makaveli" Shakur (RIP 1971-1996) & Michael Jackson (RIP 1958-2009)
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Stymie said: Dear Ben,
My name is Ivy and I have been an active member of this community for over seven years. During this time, I have gained a reputation for being one of the more difficult, outspoken Orgers. I speak out when I feel there is an injustice here, even when people tell me to stop being so serious, this is not a democracy, etc. Regardless, this has been a place that I have come to love because of the sense of community here. I have made many friends. My reasons for writing this are for many reasons: The racism displayed is out of control. The same Orgers are drawn to race thread and do the same baiting and making offensive comments with no consequence. The trolling is making it more difficult to enjoy the site. The favoritism shown by mods is becoming more and more evident every day. Permanently banned Orgers who are friends/friendly with mods are allowed to stay while others are not. Permanently banned Orgers even post pictures of themselves here. I do not particularly care if this goes on but at least be fair about it. One stays, all stay. One goes, all go. There are no uniform rules to the site. I do understand that what one person finds offensive, another may not and ultimately the mods have last word but what if more than one person finds something offensive? Can we have more hard and set rules? Can we have additional rules? Mods are not responding to requests for the actions taken against Orgers. I am just one person and I know what I say really doesn’t amount to a hill of beans but I am not the only person to feel this way. I love this place and always have. I do not like what it has become. Well said Stymie.  Tupac "Makaveli" Shakur (RIP 1971-1996) & Michael Jackson (RIP 1958-2009)
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matt said: Stymie said: There are no uniform rules to the site. I do understand that what one person finds offensive, another may not and ultimately the mods have last word but what if more than one person finds something offensive? Can we have more hard and set rules? Can we have additional rules?
This is a challenge. In my experience, hard and fast rules -- even ones enacted with good intentions -- have a way of producing bad moderation decisions. (Exhibit "A" is the former three-strikes rule.) One reason is that they restrict the ability of a moderator to take into account the unique circumstances of each incident. Another problem is that they make it easier for troublemakers to exploit loopholes in the rules and then cry foul when they're sanctioned for something that arguably doesn't constitute a violation of the letter of the law. Also, despite the site being a "benevolent dictatorship," on the whole, we're pretty laid-back. I think many users like that, and I fear that getting too strict with rules could drive folks away. That said, I'm certainly interested in suggestions. Do you -- or anybody -- have ideas for specific rules that you'd like to see added? Is there certain conduct that you think should be explicitly forbidden? Sanctions that should be automatically imposed for certain conduct? Something else? Let's hear it! I have one: prince.org needs to have an universal rule on the definition of free speech. Tupac "Makaveli" Shakur (RIP 1971-1996) & Michael Jackson (RIP 1958-2009)
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TonyVanDam said: shanti0608 said: Racism is an issue in P&R for sure.
I woke up to a thread called: Was There Ever A Time In Your Life That You (ALMOST) Hated White People From USA? I was surprised how many replies it got. Really, I cannot imagine that thread being posted regarding any other race. Luckily the mods had sense to remove it. Was it right before or right after you took the time to notice that there were white orgers as well as black orgers that had an answer to that question? And did you also notice that the orgers that answer that thread understood the correct context of that question better than you? [snipped - June7] Given the circumstances that P&R is suppose to be the forum to discussion "politics" & "religion", that thread of my was the perfect opportunity to find out how my fellow orgers of all skin colors were able to overcome and/or resist the temptation of those kinds of sin known as "racism" & "hatred", both subjects that are a political & spiritual problem. But sadly, there were some people [bait snipped - June7] that blew the whole purpose of that thread out of context and demanded for any mods to lock or remove it. And to make matters far worse, one of the people that wanted that thread remove is also one of the same small group of orgers that has made it an everyday habits of using flame baits to potential ruining even the most positive and/or most educational thread because they don't agree with people that don't seen things the way they do. #1: If anyone has a problem with one of my threads OR one of my posts, they need to be man or woman enough to tell me directly by reply to my post and/or tell me via orgnotes so I can be giving a fair opportunity to explain myself. It doesn't make any sense to keep telling mods only your side of the stories like it "final law" and not give the other person the fair opportunity to explain his/her side of the story right before any mods is rush to make any final decisions on anything. #2: We're all "mature" adults here and we need to act like "mature" adults. Posting flame baits on threads that you don't like isn't acting like an adult at all. That is acting like a child that loves to cry & whine because nothing is going his/her way. And that's all I need to say on the matter. However Ben and the mods decides to handle the situation is their business. I'm just happy for the long 4 years of membership that I have in prince.org & hope it doesn't end on a controversial note. [Edited 5/30/08 2:39am] For the record and I am sure the mods could attest. I did not report the thread. I replied on the thread with my opinion about it and moved on. I just found it interesting because I know that that same thread title would have caused an outrage if it had "blacks" instead of "whites" in it. That is all I was saying. Double standards. I am entitled to my opinion as well. Don't go pointing fingers and making allegations about me. Thanks! Nice how you followed your own advice there. 
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TonyVanDam said: shanti0608 said: Racism is an issue in P&R for sure.
I woke up to a thread called: Was There Ever A Time In Your Life That You (ALMOST) Hated White People From USA? I was surprised how many replies it got. Really, I cannot imagine that thread being posted regarding any other race. Luckily the mods had sense to remove it. Was it right before or right after you took the time to notice that there were white orgers as well as black orgers that had an answer to that question? And did you also notice that the orgers that answer that thread understood the correct context of that question better than you? [snipped - June7] Given the circumstances that P&R is suppose to be the forum to discussion "politics" & "religion", that thread of my was the perfect opportunity to find out how my fellow orgers of all skin colors were able to overcome and/or resist the temptation of those kinds of sin known as "racism" & "hatred", both subjects that are a political & spiritual problem. But sadly, there were some people [bait snipped - June7] that blew the whole purpose of that thread out of context and demanded for any mods to lock or remove it. And to make matters far worse, one of the people that wanted that thread remove is also one of the same small group of orgers that has made it an everyday habits of using flame baits to potential ruining even the most positive and/or most educational thread because they don't agree with people that don't seen things the way they do. #1: If anyone has a problem with one of my threads OR one of my posts, they need to be man or woman enough to tell me directly by reply to my post and/or tell me via orgnotes so I can be giving a fair opportunity to explain myself. It doesn't make any sense to keep telling mods only your side of the stories like it "final law" and not give the other person the fair opportunity to explain his/her side of the story right before any mods is rush to make any final decisions on anything. #2: We're all "mature" adults here and we need to act like "mature" adults. Posting flame baits on threads that you don't like isn't acting like an adult at all. That is acting like a child that loves to cry & whine because nothing is going his/her way. And that's all I need to say on the matter. However Ben and the mods decides to handle the situation is their business. I'm just happy for the long 4 years of membership that I have in prince.org & hope it doesn't end on a controversial note. [Edited 5/30/08 2:39am] would you like to elucidate just why you felt it was necessary to try and bait the three of us here? i say bait only because you don't really back up just why you single us out here. i'd answer more of your post, but i have to go to my graduation. maybe later  With a wail you let them know you're furious, you're back. | |
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Tony, shanti, and evenstar... I've often wondered if construction of a red lightsaber takes place before you can become a Republican, or is it something you do after initiation. Dah, well... | |
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Adisa said: Tony, shanti, and evenstar...
Can we please not get personal on this thread? Please? Your right. Clearly a waste of my time expressing my opinion. Sorry I replied back to HIM! Won't happen again. I guess that is what orgnotes and report buttons are for. Good day! | |
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shanti0608 said: Adisa said: Tony, shanti, and evenstar...
Can we please not get personal on this thread? Please? Your right. Clearly a waste of my time expressing my opinion. Sorry I replied back to HIM! Won't happen again. I guess that is what orgnotes and report buttons are for. Good day! I've often wondered if construction of a red lightsaber takes place before you can become a Republican, or is it something you do after initiation. Dah, well... | |
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TonyVanDam said: shanti0608 said: Racism is an issue in P&R for sure.
I woke up to a thread called: Was There Ever A Time In Your Life That You (ALMOST) Hated White People From USA? I was surprised how many replies it got. Really, I cannot imagine that thread being posted regarding any other race. Luckily the mods had sense to remove it. Was it right before or right after you took the time to notice that there were white orgers as well as black orgers that had an answer to that question? And did you also notice that the orgers that answer that thread understood the correct context of that question better than you? [snipped - June7] Given the circumstances that P&R is suppose to be the forum to discussion "politics" & "religion", that thread of my was the perfect opportunity to find out how my fellow orgers of all skin colors were able to overcome and/or resist the temptation of those kinds of sin known as "racism" & "hatred", both subjects that are a political & spiritual problem. But sadly, there were some people [bait snipped - June7] that blew the whole purpose of that thread out of context and demanded for any mods to lock or remove it. And to make matters far worse, one of the people that wanted that thread remove is also one of the same small group of orgers that has made it an everyday habits of using flame baits to potential ruining even the most positive and/or most educational thread because they don't agree with people that don't seen things the way they do. #1: If anyone has a problem with one of my threads OR one of my posts, they need to be man or woman enough to tell me directly by reply to my post and/or tell me via orgnotes so I can be giving a fair opportunity to explain myself. It doesn't make any sense to keep telling mods only your side of the stories like it "final law" and not give the other person the fair opportunity to explain his/her side of the story right before any mods is rush to make any final decisions on anything. #2: We're all "mature" adults here and we need to act like "mature" adults. Posting flame baits on threads that you don't like isn't acting like an adult at all. That is acting like a child that loves to cry & whine because nothing is going his/her way. And that's all I need to say on the matter. However Ben and the mods decides to handle the situation is their business. I'm just happy for the long 4 years of membership that I have in prince.org & hope it doesn't end on a controversial note. [Edited 5/30/08 2:39am] [bait snipped - June7] isn't worth it edit [Edited 5/30/08 8:04am] | |
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