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THE GUARDIAN...07/11/07 Prince threatens to sue his fans over online images
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There Is A Picture On The Front Page Of Prince From SuperBowl, I Wonder If They Asked Him To Use It? | |
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OK, question! i thought Prince knew and aprroved or even created the above mentioned websites. Did Prince approve and/or create the the above mentioned sites? Some of the things said compared to what has existed so long is confusing. Did Prince orignate the above sites or not? Because i understand, Prince being upset over misuse of his image and music. i just wanted to clear up the abpve question. | |
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ReginaCarman said: OK, question! i thought Prince knew and aprroved or even created the above mentioned websites. Did Prince approve and/or create the the above mentioned sites? Some of the things said compared to what has existed so long is confusing. Did Prince orignate the above sites or not?
No, the sites were not in any way officially connected with Prince. . | |
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All I would like to contribute to this evenings talk, is, that bad mouthing Prince has never been a new thing...It has been the man's ball and chain, since he decided to share himself and his musicianship...
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Tame said: All I would like to contribute to this evenings talk, is, that bad mouthing Prince has never been a new thing...It has been the man's ball and chain, since he decided to share himself and his musicianship...
The strong circle of intelligent minds, will ignore the superficial comments, and respect Prince, through all of these showered comments....that fail to fall on Prince and drech him with, personal boo-hoo's... If Prince wanted to, he could hang us all out to dry.... Yes, but one reason his records sold less and less, and also the biggest reason for the general distaste for Prince over the years has been badmouthing by the public and press, the main starting point being the backlash after "We are the World" stuff went down. Ever since then anything negative about Prince sticks in the public minds, and has of course cause him less commercial power and reputation. That translates into non interest in his work from large target markets. He has to then be very wiley (as he always is) to continue making the money to support himself. And most certainly he is a great businessman at making money these days with the touring and appearances. __________________________
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SquirrelMeat said: ReginaCarman said: OK, question! i thought Prince knew and aprroved or even created the above mentioned websites. Did Prince approve and/or create the the above mentioned sites? Some of the things said compared to what has existed so long is confusing. Did Prince orignate the above sites or not?
No, the sites were not in any way officially connected with Prince. Thank u for the info, can u tell me why he has allowed them to exist for this long? | |
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ReginaCarman said: SquirrelMeat said: No, the sites were not in any way officially connected with Prince. Thank u for the info, can u tell me why he has allowed them to exist for this long? So we are pimped to buy his albums after Chaos & Disorder. [Edited 11/6/07 18:22pm] The one and only Technagirl | |
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ReginaCarman said: SquirrelMeat said: No, the sites were not in any way officially connected with Prince. Thank u for the info, can u tell me why he has allowed them to exist for this long? They're fan made sites... they are not official Prince sites. It's not up to Prince to allow them to exist or not. "Don't you think one of the charms of marriage is that it makes deception a necessity for both parties?" | |
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Shit, better remove my symbol tattoo.... and get rid of my ECNIRP and NPG license plates... | |
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ufoclub said: Tame said: All I would like to contribute to this evenings talk, is, that bad mouthing Prince has never been a new thing...It has been the man's ball and chain, since he decided to share himself and his musicianship...
The strong circle of intelligent minds, will ignore the superficial comments, and respect Prince, through all of these showered comments....that fail to fall on Prince and drech him with, personal boo-hoo's... If Prince wanted to, he could hang us all out to dry.... Yes, but one reason his records sold less and less, and also the biggest reason for the general distaste for Prince over the years has been badmouthing by the public and press, the main starting point being the backlash after "We are the World" stuff went down. Ever since then anything negative about Prince sticks in the public minds, and has of course cause him less commercial power and reputation. That translates into non interest in his work from large target markets. He has to then be very wiley (as he always is) to continue making the money to support himself. And most certainly he is a great businessman at making money these days with the touring and appearances. And during ALL the times when Prince was experiencing all that type of self-inflicted general distaste by the public and press who were the people still buying his music, going to his shows, watching his videos, forming fan clubs, newsletters, fanzines, websites, keeping a connection between him the only people who cared about his work? The very same people he's pulling this copyright crap on today! His fans! | |
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pr1nce said: Shit, better remove my symbol tattoo.... and get rid of my ECNIRP and NPG license plates...
send him the bill it is his image | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: And during ALL the times when Prince was experiencing all that type of self-inflicted general distaste by the public and press who were the people still buying his music, going to his shows, watching his videos, forming fan clubs, newsletters, fanzines, websites, keeping a connection between him the only people who cared about his work? The very same people he's pulling this copyright crap on today! His fans! ^^^ Yup I don't think I'll be able to defend him to everyone who is now going to mercilessly take the piss now. There's nothing I can say to make his actions sound like the work of a sane man... "Mo chuisle mo chroĆ" All day, all night...You can be my baby, I'll make you feel alright... | |
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This all leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. I've been singing Prince's praises for 19 years. Bought everyone of his CD's, attended all of his concerts I could afford and it's all been a positive experience. I can understand wanting to control your image etc. But to say that because you aren't profiting from the unoffical use of your image of FAN sites is ridiculous. WE are the people that bought tickets and went to see him and share this with people and make them want to go as well surely that means we HAVE paid for the use of this stuff and the right to discuss the experience with friends. Why doesn't he walk around covering his face like he did when WB owned his image?
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Tame said: All I would like to contribute to this evenings talk, is, that bad mouthing Prince has never been a new thing...It has been the man's ball and chain, since he decided to share himself and his musicianship...
The strong circle of intelligent minds, will ignore the superficial comments, and respect Prince, through all of these showered comments....that fail to fall on Prince and drech him with, personal boo-hoo's... If Prince wanted to, he could hang us all out to dry.... i have been a fan since the 70's i tell you i will never buy another prince item again and will never attend to see him live again unless he backs down i have no respect for him anymore. none [Edited 11/7/07 2:56am] Hey ya! Shake it like a polaroid picture! | |
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ladymisskat said: This all leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. I've been singing Prince's praises for 19 years. Bought everyone of his CD's, attended all of his concerts I could afford and it's all been a positive experience. I can understand wanting to control your image etc. But to say that because you aren't profiting from the unoffical use of your image of FAN sites is ridiculous. WE are the people that bought tickets and went to see him and share this with people and make them want to go as well surely that means we HAVE paid for the use of this stuff and the right to discuss the experience with friends. Why doesn't he walk around covering his face like he did when WB owned his image?
I really would like some knid of explanation to all this. At the end of the day I'd now seriously consider not going to see him as I would feel very false in being fed an act of 'I love you guys' when it's becoming a very mixed message. Do you think he will make a statment to clear things up as at the moment I'm confused! I'm with you - I think that he should make an official statement and explain this latest chapter of bullshit that he's raining down on us... but I very much doubt it will happen.. "Mo chuisle mo chroĆ" All day, all night...You can be my baby, I'll make you feel alright... | |
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They say there's a fine line between genius and madness and i fear that if this legal wrangle is really initiated by Prince and not his lawyers, then he may have finally crossed the line into insanity. I've been a major fan for over 25 years and always defended him through the thick and thin of his carreer, but this time I can find no defense for these self-destructive actions. As far as I can see, no-one will benefit from the innevitable outcome of this situation.
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MrsGoodnight said: ladymisskat said: This all leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. I've been singing Prince's praises for 19 years. Bought everyone of his CD's, attended all of his concerts I could afford and it's all been a positive experience. I can understand wanting to control your image etc. But to say that because you aren't profiting from the unoffical use of your image of FAN sites is ridiculous. WE are the people that bought tickets and went to see him and share this with people and make them want to go as well surely that means we HAVE paid for the use of this stuff and the right to discuss the experience with friends. Why doesn't he walk around covering his face like he did when WB owned his image?
I really would like some knid of explanation to all this. At the end of the day I'd now seriously consider not going to see him as I would feel very false in being fed an act of 'I love you guys' when it's becoming a very mixed message. Do you think he will make a statment to clear things up as at the moment I'm confused! I'm with you - I think that he should make an official statement and explain this latest chapter of bullshit that he's raining down on us... but I very much doubt it will happen.. Right now he's hiding behind a whole bunch of legal language crap... I don't think he'll make a statement, what would he say?!? there's no way to make "I want to sue my fans" sound good! | |
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The Guardian have helpfully created a Prince gallery on their site, with the following blurb:
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Ouch, that hurts !
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lspear76 said: ReginaCarman said: Thank u for the info, can u tell me why he has allowed them to exist for this long? They're fan made sites... they are not official Prince sites. It's not up to Prince to allow them to exist or not. Well thank for the info, but it seems odd to me that he doesn't have the ultimate say on something that is about him. i think its only fair that a person has the right to decide how his/her own image and accomplishments are portrayed and used in the world. But, if what u say is true, than not all laws are fair. | |
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ladymisskat said: This all leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. I've been singing Prince's praises for 19 years. Bought everyone of his CD's, attended all of his concerts I could afford and it's all been a positive experience. I can understand wanting to control your image etc. But to say that because you aren't profiting from the unoffical use of your image of FAN sites is ridiculous. WE are the people that bought tickets and went to see him and share this with people and make them want to go as well surely that means we HAVE paid for the use of this stuff and the right to discuss the experience with friends. Why doesn't he walk around covering his face like he did when WB owned his image?
I really would like some knid of explanation to all this. At the end of the day I'd now seriously consider not going to see him as I would feel very false in being fed an act of 'I love you guys' when it's becoming a very mixed message. Do you think he will make a statment to clear things up as at the moment I'm confused! I warned U Kat, he's a right scallywag! | |
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ReginaCarman said: lspear76 said: They're fan made sites... they are not official Prince sites. It's not up to Prince to allow them to exist or not. Well thank for the info, but it seems odd to me that he doesn't have the ultimate say on something that is about him. i think its only fair that a person has the right to decide how his/her own image and accomplishments are portrayed and used in the world. But, if what u say is true, than not all laws are fair. If you don't have the freedom to comment or report on people without their approval or rules, then you will be in a very backwards situation. It has to apply across the board. For example, back in the day, in a serious case like Hitler, you can't say anything bad if it impedes his plans and ambitions? Or even in a not so serious case like say, Lindsey Lohan allegedly causing a car chase through residential neighborhoods high on cocaine (with 6 or so witnesses) leading to her arrest. The three witnesses that were dragged along unwittingly with her in the car she hijacked should be able to tell their account without her approval... right? Freedom has to apply across the board, or else the rules and wealth can turn into some serious abuse pf control. Prince, even though he is not a serious life or death issue, is still part of the modern world in which people have fought and died to maintain the freedom to speak what they believe and post photos or recordings of what they see and hear in the world around them. It gets into a very detailed situation to maintain freedom yet still maintain commercial rights for individuals or companies. In these cases, it is debatable about whether Prince is suffering any commercial loss or slander. I think a lot of people don't consider that the creators of the websites and posts are artists (someone expressing their thoughts through designed multi-mediums) and need their modes of expression protected. __________________________
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drcoldchoke said: ladymisskat said: This all leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. I've been singing Prince's praises for 19 years. Bought everyone of his CD's, attended all of his concerts I could afford and it's all been a positive experience. I can understand wanting to control your image etc. But to say that because you aren't profiting from the unoffical use of your image of FAN sites is ridiculous. WE are the people that bought tickets and went to see him and share this with people and make them want to go as well surely that means we HAVE paid for the use of this stuff and the right to discuss the experience with friends. Why doesn't he walk around covering his face like he did when WB owned his image?
I really would like some knid of explanation to all this. At the end of the day I'd now seriously consider not going to see him as I would feel very false in being fed an act of 'I love you guys' when it's becoming a very mixed message. Do you think he will make a statment to clear things up as at the moment I'm confused! I warned U Kat, he's a right scallywag! Perception! The Hottest chip of them all - www.hotchip.co.uk - Get down with Prince
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ReginaCarman said: Thank u for the info, can u tell me why he has allowed them to exist for this long?
I'd imagine that if he'd done it before the 21 nights tour then he would have lost a great deal of fan revenue and publity from the forums. As most of us involved in the forums attended more than one night, and the core fans attended almost all of them, including some VIP trips, the figure he lost would have been substantial. Many newspapers used the forums to gain access to fans reactions to the shows and to get information from a single, pre-collated resource. I think we were milked by the paparazzi on a number of occasions (the glow stick idea for example), but in doing so we allowed Prince to be featured in articles in UK publications on a daily basis, raising the profile of the tour and gaining him increased ticket sales. [Edited 11/8/07 5:01am] Got the look? | |
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they forgot to mention that prince shut down his own "official" fan site immediately after winning an award for it | |
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