PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

In the JJ interview that I listened to (Prince Podcast, I believe) she stated that she, Vanity, and Susan had become pretty good friends. She said Vanity would help them with their makeup and was very supportive. The jist that I got from her remarks was that it was understood that Vanity was Prince's "main girl" or "girlfriend", but it seems his intimacy with her and others was accepted. Very strange arrangement, but that is what I took from her information. I read a quote from Vanity in which she stated, "I only needed one person to love, but Prince needed more than one". Jill mentioned during that interiew that she, Appollonia, and I think Brenda and Susan had been together at a function more recently (but still several years ago) and she told Prince that she was grateful to him for bringing them together, as they had remained friends through the years. He responded jokingly saying, "oh, so NOW you're okay with it!"

I thought I read where that was at Vanity's funeral.

Yes, I think that is correct. I heard this on the Prince Podcast interview, but couldn't remember why they were all together

PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

Sounds like you actually spoke to her, so you must know more than most, but I was thinking her ill will may also have been related to the fact that her album was put on the back burner. I read that recording started in '83, but it wasn't released until '87. Seems as though it was moved down the priority list once The Family and Sheila E projects were started. In an online interview in 2013 she stated she had not been aware that Sheila was recording for an album, and that Prince could have given her Glamorous Life and some of those songs for her record. I probably would have been a bit mad as well. She stated she wasted 10 years of her life. There was a comment from a user named "FIRE AND ICE" - almost seemed like a response from Prince - very intense response and cryptic. I'm sure it wasn't, but you never know....he was online all the time tracking everything

What did Fire & Ice say?

Copied from FIRE AND ICE user name (and the profile info is cryptic too):

"OH PLEASE........ WE ALL KNOW WHO -IN MY HAIR- WAS ABOUT, AND IT WASN'T YOU. BUT, THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY... THE ONE HE STILL THINKS ABOUT... (YEAH, I KNOW, SO WHAT!!!! ) EVER BEEN INVITED TO AN EARTHQUAKE, IN LA.. ? JUST ONE THING, TO SAY TO HIM, YES, ..I HEAR YOU, I ALWAYS HEAR YOU, I'M JUST NOT ANSWERING. OVER THE YEARS, I QUESTION.. WILL WE BE LONG DEAD... COLD IN THE GROUND.. BEFORE YOU EVER LEARN THE MEANING, OF TRUE FRIENDSHIP, NOT SEX!!!? ..MAYBE SO. HEARTS AND GLITTER... ON THE FLOOR.....TIME ERASES EVERYTHING, ..BUT ITSELF. WHO'S GONNA PICK THAT MESS UP, HE SAID, ...ALL I COULD DO WAS LAUGH. SOME MEMORIES NEVER DIE... THEY JUST STAY LOCKED FOREVER, IN SOMEONES HEART."

** My response was meant for Strawberrylova123....crap! I keep responding to the wrong users...

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violetcrush said:

PennyPurple said:

What did Fire & Ice say?

Copied from FIRE AND ICE user name (and the profile info is cryptic too):

"OH PLEASE........ WE ALL KNOW WHO -IN MY HAIR- WAS ABOUT, AND IT WASN'T YOU. BUT, THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY... THE ONE HE STILL THINKS ABOUT... (YEAH, I KNOW, SO WHAT!!!! ) EVER BEEN INVITED TO AN EARTHQUAKE, IN LA.. ? JUST ONE THING, TO SAY TO HIM, YES, ..I HEAR YOU, I ALWAYS HEAR YOU, I'M JUST NOT ANSWERING. OVER THE YEARS, I QUESTION.. WILL WE BE LONG DEAD... COLD IN THE GROUND.. BEFORE YOU EVER LEARN THE MEANING, OF TRUE FRIENDSHIP, NOT SEX!!!? ..MAYBE SO. HEARTS AND GLITTER... ON THE FLOOR.....TIME ERASES EVERYTHING, ..BUT ITSELF. WHO'S GONNA PICK THAT MESS UP, HE SAID, ...ALL I COULD DO WAS LAUGH. SOME MEMORIES NEVER DIE... THEY JUST STAY LOCKED FOREVER, IN SOMEONES HEART."

Oh wow, that does sound like him. Thanks for sharing.

PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

Copied from FIRE AND ICE user name (and the profile info is cryptic too):

"OH PLEASE........ WE ALL KNOW WHO -IN MY HAIR- WAS ABOUT, AND IT WASN'T YOU. BUT, THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY... THE ONE HE STILL THINKS ABOUT... (YEAH, I KNOW, SO WHAT!!!! ) EVER BEEN INVITED TO AN EARTHQUAKE, IN LA.. ? JUST ONE THING, TO SAY TO HIM, YES, ..I HEAR YOU, I ALWAYS HEAR YOU, I'M JUST NOT ANSWERING. OVER THE YEARS, I QUESTION.. WILL WE BE LONG DEAD... COLD IN THE GROUND.. BEFORE YOU EVER LEARN THE MEANING, OF TRUE FRIENDSHIP, NOT SEX!!!? ..MAYBE SO. HEARTS AND GLITTER... ON THE FLOOR.....TIME ERASES EVERYTHING, ..BUT ITSELF. WHO'S GONNA PICK THAT MESS UP, HE SAID, ...ALL I COULD DO WAS LAUGH. SOME MEMORIES NEVER DIE... THEY JUST STAY LOCKED FOREVER, IN SOMEONES HEART."

Oh wow, that does sound like him. Thanks for sharing.

Here's the profile information - I guess the info you have to give before posting:

About me

Industry Investment Banking Occupation FILM / TV PRODUCER - ANGE...T WRITER - Location INTERNATIONAL Introduction Though you are still, a very skilled Wizard... You were NEVER ...more powerful, than a young girl, not impressed with Fame and Money. True Friendship...was the Treasure, you missed, but needed. Life went on... '' Horses couldn't drag my ass..? '' the end. Interests PEACE AND QUIET!!!! Shhhhh.... Extreme, Seclusive, behavior zone.. Be warned. Favorite Music Do Not Disturb... Unless, it's an apology, and then.. it's QUITE LATE!!! HUH. Favorite Books READ PREVIOUS EXCERPTS FROM, A LIFE WELL LIVED..

And the strangest thing is the last profile picture for this user is a "Happy New Year 2016" picture

Next to Occupation it should say "Film/TV Producer - Angel Investor - Ghost Writer. The text waqs cut off on the copy and paste

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violetcrush said:

I'm not a close friend but I've had great conversations with Jill ❤

violetcrush said:

PennyPurple said:

Oh wow, that does sound like him. Thanks for sharing.

Here's the profile information - I guess the info you have to give before posting:

About me

Industry Investment Banking Occupation FILM / TV PRODUCER - ANGE...T WRITER - Location INTERNATIONAL Introduction Though you are still, a very skilled Wizard... You were NEVER ...more powerful, than a young girl, not impressed with Fame and Money. True Friendship...was the Treasure, you missed, but needed. Life went on... '' Horses couldn't drag my ass..? '' the end. Interests PEACE AND QUIET!!!! Shhhhh.... Extreme, Seclusive, behavior zone.. Be warned. Favorite Music Do Not Disturb... Unless, it's an apology, and then.. it's QUITE LATE!!! HUH. Favorite Books READ PREVIOUS EXCERPTS FROM, A LIFE WELL LIVED..

And the strangest thing is the last profile picture for this user is a "Happy New Year 2016" picture

Next to Occupation it should say "Film/TV Producer - Angel Investor - Ghost Writer. The text waqs cut off on the copy and paste

[Edited 2/22/18 19:30pm]

Oh wow.

Strawberrylova123 said:

violetcrush said:

Sounds like you actually spoke to her, so you must know more than most, but I was thinking her ill will may also have been related to the fact that her album was put on the back burner. I read that recording started in '83, but it wasn't released until '87. Seems as though it was moved down the priority list once The Family and Sheila E projects were started. In an online interview in 2013 she stated she had not been aware that Sheila was recording for an album, and that Prince could have given her Glamorous Life and some of those songs for her record. I probably would have been a bit mad as well. She stated she wasted 10 years of her life. There was a comment from a user named "FIRE AND ICE" - almost seemed like a response from Prince - very intense response and cryptic. I'm sure it wasn't, but you never know....he was online all the time tracking everything

I'm not a close friend but I've had great conversations with Jill ❤

Well that response on the interview blog had to either be Prince or someone suffering from delusions of being Prince

Strawberrylova123 said:

Jill jones told me that she thinks that prince was on the autistic spectrum also

Wow, when I said the same before I was attacked. Interesting.

Strawberrylova123 said:

JJ has animosity towards susannah because they were in a love triangle...or square 😂

Of course since Prince was going to make her a mistress. Not the same stituation with Sheila E at all.

laurarichardson said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

JJ has animosity towards susannah because they were in a love triangle...or square 😂

Of course since Prince was going to make her a mistress. Not the same stituation with Sheila E at all.

Or, any love "triangle" that existed early on stopped as Prince became more involved with Susannah. Just a thought..

violetcrush said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

JJ has animosity towards susannah because they were in a love triangle...or square 😂

Sounds like you actually spoke to her, so you must know more than most, but I was thinking her ill will may also have been related to the fact that her album was put on the back burner. I read that recording started in '83, but it wasn't released until '87. Seems as though it was moved down the priority list once The Family and Sheila E projects were started. In an online interview in 2013 she stated she had not been aware that Sheila was recording for an album, and that Prince could have given her Glamorous Life and some of those songs for her record. I probably would have been a bit mad as well. She stated she wasted 10 years of her life. There was a comment from a user named "FIRE AND ICE" - almost seemed like a response from Prince - very intense response and cryptic. I'm sure it wasn't, but you never know....he was online all the time tracking everything

I think that is what it is about too.
It is easier to focus on Susannah (who actually never got her own name titled album) like Jill Jones did.

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Then she said that after she didn't want to promote the album further he told her she had no charisma and should get a boob job

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

Sounds like you actually spoke to her, so you must know more than most, but I was thinking her ill will may also have been related to the fact that her album was put on the back burner. I read that recording started in '83, but it wasn't released until '87. Seems as though it was moved down the priority list once The Family and Sheila E projects were started. In an online interview in 2013 she stated she had not been aware that Sheila was recording for an album, and that Prince could have given her Glamorous Life and some of those songs for her record. I probably would have been a bit mad as well. She stated she wasted 10 years of her life. There was a comment from a user named "FIRE AND ICE" - almost seemed like a response from Prince - very intense response and cryptic. I'm sure it wasn't, but you never know....he was online all the time tracking everything

I think that is what it is about too.
It is easier to focus on Susannah (who actually never got her own name titled album) like Jill Jones did.

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Then she said that after she didn't want to promote the album further he told her she had no charisma and should get a boob job

Right. I think things were on a different level with Susannah, and that's a hard pill to swallow when you've been with Prince, and still want his attention

laurarichardson said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

JJ has animosity towards susannah because they were in a love triangle...or square 😂

Of course since Prince was going to make her a mistress. Not the same stituation with Sheila E at all.

Prince was messy and he did not marry Susannah. He married twice and neither woman were from the 80s pool. Jill needs to get over it as does all the other women involved. It was long ago and Prince is gone.

Vashtix said:

laurarichardson said:

Of course since Prince was going to make her a mistress. Not the same stituation with Sheila E at all.

Prince was messy and he did not marry Susannah. He married twice and neither woman were from the 80s pool. Jill needs to get over it as does all the other women involved. It was long ago and Prince is gone.

Susannah left him - he did not leave her; however, that does not mean they would have married. I think he married Mayte because she was pregnant - just my opinion. He married Manuela during his deeper religious period, and thought she was not into the material side of celebrity (hence, "she loves me for me"), but she ended up fighting him for quite a settlement.

I don't think any of the women are still not "over" it with regard to Prince. They are just telling their stories, because they are being asked, and his fans are interested in learning about the more personal side of him. This is their history too, and they can share their experiences if they so choose. However, the result of that is discussions like this forum, because listeners/readers critique, question, or counter their accounts, but that is just human nature

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, I did read that Susan stepped out of the "harem" at a certain point. I read that she was dating Prince prior to when he first met Vanity, and Vanity was with Rick James at the time (1980). Prince and Vanity agreed to wait until they ended those attachments before becoming a "couple" - although, it seems Prince wanted to continue his relationship with Susan while dating Vanity.

Per Matt Thorne's book, and also Jill's statements - she met Prince while singing backup for Teena Marie. They were opening for Rick James along with Prince back in 79/80. When Prince left the Rick James tour he invited Jill to work for him at some point, and she left Teena Marie's camp. So that would have been just prior to, or at around the same time Lisa came into the fold.

If you listen to the lyrics of "Forever In My Life" Prince acknowledges juggling many women at one time - "juggling hearts in a three-ring circus, someday drive a body down to the ground". I think his actions spoke more than his lyrics as it seems he never stopped juggling for too long

Yep, Susan out of Vanity & Jill came from a more solid family background. I think that had a lot to do with her being able to remove herself from the Uptown harem and then go get a college education and start a family afterwards.

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Yep Jill met him on the Fire It Up tour. But she didn't come into the camp until sometime in 81. Then started doing session work for Prince on the What Time Is It? Hookers(Vanity 6) 1999 music.

She wasn't on the Controversy or the Time album music.

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Yep 'juggling hearts in a 3 ring circus'. That is such a great line though lol

Susannah's interview was insightful. It was nice to see a semblance of some of their time together, but don't use her interview to slight Vanity. It's no doubt that Susannah told us the better part of their relationship and left out the bad, some of the same bad that Vanity went through, so I don't understand the need for the subtle put down towards Vanity. I see it in the comments and implications made by camouflaged half quotes from Prince books.

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Susannah accepted the same type of behavior and stayed with him for a time too, even though her family was worried about her mental health after all the mess Prince was putting her through with a different version of a brand new harem. Susan Moonsie stayed in it too. She was one of the girls on that bus until she was fed up enough not to take it anymore. They ALL stayed for a time knowing that Prince was seeing a multitude of other women. It's just a matter of what pushed them over the edge. (AS per all the books you guys quote here)

^

Susan Moonsie dated Prince from 1980/81, yet she was still one of those girls on that bus in 1983 that Jill talked about. Susannah dated Prince from late 83 after Vanity left through 1987 yet Prince wasn't faithful to her either and she remained until then. Seems to me that Vanity was the one that really actually left the quickest and didn't put up with the crap for very long. Prince and Vanity were known for their tumultuous off and on again affair. She was always leaving Prince, but If you want to compare dysfunctions about Vanity and Susannah's time with him, quote the dysfunction told from those books about Susannah as well, not just Vanity. Prince was seeing Sheila E and Susannah at the same time, placing both of them in the same working environment on any given day - singing next to each other, all the while knowing he was seeing the other. I read in those same Prince books, that Prince told Karen Kattinger to move Susannah out of his apartment after realizing that he wasn't ready to live with anyone, and was openly seeing other women and was not being discreet about it. The point that I'm trying to make is that FOR A TIME, ALL of these ladies put up with Prince's questionable behavior, and yes, Susannah did eventually leave Prince because of his womanizing ways, (good on her) Susan left in her time too, but so did Vanity… The big difference is that Vanity left the soonest and when Vanity left, she had a lot more at stake, she walked away knowing that she would have been the female lead in a movie called Dreams/Purple Rain. Please be careful not to put her down. This was a brilliant interview by Susannah, feature Susannah on her own merits.

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luvgirl said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yep, Susan out of Vanity & Jill came from a more solid family background. I think that had a lot to do with her being able to remove herself from the Uptown harem and then go get a college education and start a family afterwards.

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Yep Jill met him on the Fire It Up tour. But she didn't come into the camp until sometime in 81. Then started doing session work for Prince on the What Time Is It? Hookers(Vanity 6) 1999 music.

She wasn't on the Controversy or the Time album music.

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Yep 'juggling hearts in a 3 ring circus'. That is such a great line though lol

Susannah's interview was insightful. It was nice to see a semblance of some of their time together, but don't use her interview to slight Vanity. It's no doubt that Susannah told us the better part of their relationship and left out the bad, some of the same bad that Vanity went through, so I don't understand the need for the subtle put down towards Vanity. I see it in the comments and implications made by camouflaged half quotes from Prince books.

^

Susannah accepted the same type of behavior and stayed with him for a time too, even though her family was worried about her mental health after all the mess Prince was putting her through with a different version of a brand new harem. Susan Moonsie stayed in it too. She was one of the girls on that bus until she was fed up enough not to take it anymore. They ALL stayed for a time knowing that Prince was seeing a multitude of other women. It's just a matter of what pushed them over the edge. (AS per all the books you guys quote here)

^

Susan Moonsie dated Prince from 1980/81, yet she was still one of those girls on that bus in 1983 that Jill talked about. Susannah dated Prince from late 83 after Vanity left through 1987 yet Prince wasn't faithful to her either and she remained until then. Seems to me that Vanity was the one that really actually left the quickest and didn't put up with the crap for very long. Prince and Vanity were known for their tumultuous off and on again affair. She was always leaving Prince, but If you want to compare dysfunctions about Vanity and Susannah's time with him, quote the dysfunction told from those books about Susannah as well, not just Vanity. Prince was seeing Sheila E and Susannah at the same time, placing both of them in the same working environment on any given day - singing next to each other, all the while knowing he was seeing the other. I read in those same Prince books, that Prince told Karen Kattinger to move Susannah out of his apartment after realizing that he wasn't ready to live with anyone, and was openly seeing other women and was not being discreet about it. The point that I'm trying to make is that FOR A TIME, ALL of these ladies put up with Prince's questionable behavior, and yes, Susannah did eventually leave Prince because of his womanizing ways, (good on her) Susan left in her time too, but so did Vanity… The big difference is that Vanity left the soonest and when Vanity left, she had a lot more at stake, she walked away knowing that she would have been the female lead in a movie called Dreams/Purple Rain. Please be careful not to put her down. This was a brilliant interview by Susannah, feature Susannah on her own merits.

I agree with most of your information with the exception of a few things - Susannah met Prince at the WB Christmas Party, which would have been December of '82 (assuming it was held prior to Christmas that year) or January of '83. Wendy joined the band in March?April '83, so Prince would have been staying with them in LA from that point, or possibly earlier, becuase Lisa joined the band in 1980. As she mentioned, the four of them were spending many days together. So, I'm sure Vanity would have started to realize something was brewing prior to Susannah arriving in MN that July of '83 - hence her comment, "oh, it's YOU again".

I believe it was either Alan Light's or Matt Thorne's book - or both - which stated that Vanity was approached by Martin Scorcese's camp to play the role of Mary Magdalene in his 1983 plan for The Last Temptation Of Christ - copied from Wikipedia:

Production[edit]

Scorsese had wanted to make a film version of Jesus' life since childhood. While directing Barbara Hershey in the 1972 film Boxcar Bertha, she gave him a copy of the Kazantzakis novel. Scorsese optioned the novel in the late 1970s, and he gave it to Paul Schrader to adapt. The Last Temptation was originally to be Scorsese's follow-up to The King of Comedy; production was slated to begin in 1983 for Paramount, with a budget of about $14 million and shot on location in Israel. The original cast included Aidan Quinn as Jesus, Sting as Pontius Pilate, Ray Davies as Judas Iscariot,^[6] and Vanity as Mary Magdalene. Management at Paramount and its then parent company,Gulf+Western grew uneasy due to the ballooning budget for the picture and protest letters received from religious groups. The project went into turnaround and was finally canceled in December 1983. Scorsese went on to makeAfter Hours instead.

At the time that Vanity left, no one knew how big Purple Rain was going to become - not even the executives at WB. It was an estremely low budget film, so it was low risk to WB. It has been widely discussed that the musicians and performers working for Prince were not paid much in comparison to the money being made. Im sure there were several reasons why Vanity left Prince's camp - wanting more than the "lingerie/sex symbol" role, more money, and pride - as she saw Prince moving on to another relationship. There's no question that Prince loved her at one time, and was no doubt infatuated with her beauty; however, I don't think it was a deep emotional connection for him. Just my opinion.

Yes, Susannah suffered the same monogamy issues as Vanity did with Prince. I think the difference is he wanted her to stay with him. He needed her on some deeper level. It's now becoming clear that he remained in contact with her. But again, who really knows for sure other than Prince? And we don't have his memoir, because he did not have a chance to finish it

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violetcrush said:

luvgirl said:

Susannah's interview was insightful. It was nice to see a semblance of some of their time together, but don't use her interview to slight Vanity. It's no doubt that Susannah told us the better part of their relationship and left out the bad, some of the same bad that Vanity went through, so I don't understand the need for the subtle put down towards Vanity. I see it in the comments and implications made by camouflaged half quotes from Prince books.

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OF4$: Susannah has never slighted Vanity or any of the other ladies.

I hope you did not read something that hinted I was putting down Vanity?

I'm not into putting any of the ladies down. I love them all.

Susannah accepted the same type of behavior and stayed with him for a time too, even though her family was worried about her mental health after all the mess Prince was putting her through with a different version of a brand new harem. Susan Moonsie stayed in it too. She was one of the girls on that bus until she was fed up enough not to take it anymore. They ALL stayed for a time knowing that Prince was seeing a multitude of other women. It's just a matter of what pushed them over the edge. (AS per all the books you guys quote here)

OF4$: Actually Susan Moonsie did remove herself from the harem. She saw what was happening and became a support for Vanity as a friend. Of course should would be on the bus into 1983 because she was still in the band Vanity 6. But she did remove herself from it. And was not romantic or sexual with Prince during the A6 period, and then left to get an education.

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Susan Moonsie dated Prince from 1980/81, yet she was still one of those girls on that bus in 1983 that Jill talked about. Susannah dated Prince from late 83 after Vanity left through 1987 yet Prince wasn't faithful to her either and she remained until then. Seems to me that Vanity was the one that really actually left the quickest and didn't put up with the crap for very long.

OF4$: Yes, Vanity left but that was the band/camp, but sadly there was some continued stuff with Prince after she left as well. Vanity wanted to be a star, and she probably knew that wasn't going to happen with Prince. She had to make the best call for her career.

Prince and Vanity were known for their tumultuous off and on again affair. She was always leaving Prince, but If you want to compare dysfunctions about Vanity and Susannah's time with him, quote the dysfunction told from those books about Susannah as well, not just Vanity. Prince was seeing Sheila E and Susannah at the same time, placing both of them in the same working environment on any given day - singing next to each other, all the while knowing he was seeing the other. I read in those same Prince books, that Prince told Karen Kattinger to move Susannah out of his apartment after realizing that he wasn't ready to live with anyone, and was openly seeing other women and was not being discreet about it. The point that I'm trying to make is that FOR A TIME, ALL of these ladies put up with Prince's questionable behavior, and yes, Susannah did eventually leave Prince because of his womanizing ways, (good on her) Susan left in her time too, but so did Vanity… The big difference is that Vanity left the soonest and when Vanity left, she had a lot more at stake, she walked away knowing that she would have been the female lead in a movie called Dreams/Purple Rain. Please be careful not to put her down. This was a brilliant interview by Susannah, feature Susannah on her own merits.

OF4$: Luvgirl. I know the ladies put up with Prince's questionable behavior.

I agree with most of your information with the exception of a few things - Susannah met Prince at the WB Christmas Party, which would have been December of '82 (assuming it was held prior to Christmas that year) or January of '83. Wendy joined the band in March?April '83, so Prince would have been staying with them in LA from that point, or possibly earlier, becuase Lisa joined the band in 1980. As she mentioned, the four of them were spending many days together. So, I'm sure Vanity would have started to realize something was brewing prior to Susannah arriving in MN that July of '83 - hence her comment, "oh, it's YOU again".

OF4$: You said you have exception to a few things - I don't follow? What are you quoting/disagreeing with. I don't see anything about me saying when Prince & Susannah met. This part in the red. I'm not following where the disagreement is.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

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OldFriends4Sale: Sorry! My response was to Luvgirl, but somehow it ended up showing as a response to you -even though my comments somehow attached to Luvgirl's thread. Not sure why, because I hit reply under the recent Luvgirl comment. Seems that you and I are in line with our thinking

PS... my response to Luvgirl started with "I agree with most of your thinking....still not sure how it ended up as part of Luvgirl's original comment...

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violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

[Edited 2/26/18 7:44am]

OldFriends4Sale: Sorry! My response was to Luvgirl, but somehow it ended up showing as a response to you -even though my comments somehow attached to Luvgirl's thread. Not sure why, because I hit reply under the recent Luvgirl comment. Seems that you and I are in line with our thinking

PS... my response to Luvgirl started with "I agree with most of your thinking....still not sure how it ended up as part of Luvgirl's original comment...

[Edited 2/26/18 9:40am]

LOL

@ ViolterCrush-

I think your theory is a little off. From what I've gathered, Susannah started seeing Prince after Vanity left... In another interview of hers, Susannah referenced Prince traveling back and forth to their home around the time she saw Vanity leaving the set for the last time in August, and she even marked the date with attending Dez Dickerson's Birthday party a few days later - the weekend of his Birthday August 7th, and It also coincides to Wendy's comment in Alan Lights book, where she acknowledged that it first became apparent that Prince was interested in Susannah at the benefit concert on August 3rd where Susannah flew in to see Wendy play with the band for the first time. By then, Prince and Vanity had already gone through some serious turmoil. Prince had already bumped into Vanity and Adam Ant, going "Ape-shit" at her in public for being with him, and by then, Prince had already known Vanity was in talks with Berry Gordy and planning to leave. Vanity had already given Prince an ultimatum for one million dollars to do the movie (a sum she knew was over the top and would not be forthcoming… They were over by then. Case in point, when she wasn't placed on the invitation list for that concert, though she was still in attendance. Susannah also said it started around the filming of Purple Rain which also connects to after Vanity leaving because filming started in September. I believe that when Vanity said "It's you again" it was due to remembering Susannah from that first meeting at the Christmas party or even the benefit show. I agree that we can only surmise what's been said, and will never know for certain.

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@OF4$ and VioletCrush-

I think it's a bit unperceptive to think that Vanity only left Prince for her career. There were a variety of reasons why she left. Her career and low pay was a factor, but you cannot deny that a huge motivation was Prince's unfaithfulness as well... "I needed one man to love me and Prince needed more" was one way Vanity explained her leaving in connection to his infidelity, and even though they might not have been able to break the ties completely with each other and re-connected later, Vanity left his oppressive environment under her circumstances and employed her own independence - that was an irrefutable departure from him.

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luvgirl said:

@ ViolterCrush-

I think your theory is a little off. From what I've gathered, Susannah started seeing Prince after Vanity left... In another interview of hers, Susannah referenced Prince traveling back and forth to their home around the time she saw Vanity leaving the set for the last time in August, and she even marked the date with attending Dez Dickerson's Birthday party a few days later - the weekend of his Birthday August 7th, and It also coincides to Wendy's comment in Alan Lights book, where she acknowledged that it first became apparent that Prince was interested in Susannah at the benefit concert on August 3rd where Susannah flew in to see Wendy play with the band for the first time. By then, Prince and Vanity had already gone through some serious turmoil. Prince had already bumped into Vanity and Adam Ant, going "Ape-shit" at her in public for being with him, and by then, Prince had already known Vanity was in talks with Berry Gordy and planning to leave. Vanity had already given Prince an ultimatum for one million dollars to do the movie (a sum she knew was over the top and would not be forthcoming… They were over by then. Case in point, when she wasn't placed on the invitation list for that concert, though she was still in attendance. Susannah also said it started around the filming of Purple Rain which also connects to after Vanity leaving because filming started in September. I believe that when Vanity said "It's you again" it was due to remembering Susannah from that first meeting at the Christmas party or even the benefit show. I agree that we can only surmise and will never know for certain.

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@OF4$ and VioletCrush-

I think it's a bit unperceptive to think that Vanity only left Prince for her career. There were a variety of reasons why she left. Her career and low pay was a factor, but you cannot deny that a huge motivation was Prince's unfaithfulness as well... "I needed one man to love me and Prince needed more" was one way Vanity explained her leaving in connection to his infidelity, and even though they might not have been able to break the ties completely with each other and re-connected later, Vanity left his oppressive environment under her circumstances and employed her own independence - that was an irrefutable departure from him.

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I know she did not only leave Prince for her career. But that was a big part of it. Before she met Prince (and like Prince) she wanted to be a star. And rightly so, if someone is holding you back, you have to keep it moving. Like so many people tell their daughters and nieces, not to get caught up in some boy when you have a future/life/career/eduction etc to achieve.

But of course the seeing other women intensified the decision to leave.

But we should leave off the Vanity discussion. There is another thread about Vanity in progress.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes, my thoughts exactly.

OldFriends4Sale said:

luvgirl said:

@ ViolterCrush-

I think your theory is a little off. From what I've gathered, Susannah started seeing Prince after Vanity left... In another interview of hers, Susannah referenced Prince traveling back and forth to their home around the time she saw Vanity leaving the set for the last time in August, and she even marked the date with attending Dez Dickerson's Birthday party a few days later - the weekend of his Birthday August 7th, and It also coincides to Wendy's comment in Alan Lights book, where she acknowledged that it first became apparent that Prince was interested in Susannah at the benefit concert on August 3rd where Susannah flew in to see Wendy play with the band for the first time. By then, Prince and Vanity had already gone through some serious turmoil. Prince had already bumped into Vanity and Adam Ant, going "Ape-shit" at her in public for being with him, and by then, Prince had already known Vanity was in talks with Berry Gordy and planning to leave. Vanity had already given Prince an ultimatum for one million dollars to do the movie (a sum she knew was over the top and would not be forthcoming… They were over by then. Case in point, when she wasn't placed on the invitation list for that concert, though she was still in attendance. Susannah also said it started around the filming of Purple Rain which also connects to after Vanity leaving because filming started in September. I believe that when Vanity said "It's you again" it was due to remembering Susannah from that first meeting at the Christmas party or even the benefit show. I agree that we can only surmise and will never know for certain.

^

@OF4$ and VioletCrush-

I think it's a bit unperceptive to think that Vanity only left Prince for her career. There were a variety of reasons why she left. Her career and low pay was a factor, but you cannot deny that a huge motivation was Prince's unfaithfulness as well... "I needed one man to love me and Prince needed more" was one way Vanity explained her leaving in connection to his infidelity, and even though they might not have been able to break the ties completely with each other and re-connected later, Vanity left his oppressive environment under her circumstances and employed her own independence - that was an irrefutable departure from him.

[Edited 2/27/18 5:25am]

I know she did not only leave Prince for her career. But that was a big part of it. Before she met Prince (and like Prince) she wanted to be a star. And rightly so, if someone is holding you back, you have to keep it moving. Like so many people tell their daughters and nieces, not to get caught up in some boy when you have a future/life/career/eduction etc to achieve.

But of course the seeing other women intensified the decision to leave.

@Luvgirl: What I got from the information was that Prince was flying out to LA frequently and staying with W, L, & S while he was recording the songs for PR. If you look at the timeline for most of the recording, it was done in the Spring of '83. This was done several months prior to starting rehearsals for the movie. When Susannah described spending time at Sunset Sound with Prince, and the day that he unexpectedly kissed her and told her he can't stop thinking about her I believe that was prior to the trip to MN for the 8/83 concert. I doubt that anyone knew what was brewing with them prior to that August concert and Dez's birthday party - even Wendy and Lisa. Regarding Vanity, I do agree - I had mentioned her comment about Prince needing more than one person to love on an earlier response. No question that she would no longer accept the other women. Seems to be a common thread with all or most of his relationships. Clearly Prince was complicated in relationships - he did not want them to leave, but his actions pushed them away

violetcrush said:

Listen to the Quest Love interview, Susannah herself marked the date of Prince’s back and forth traveling to her home after Dez’s birthday and Vanity’s departure, but I think we should abide by what OF4$ said and get off the topic of Vanity and focus on Susannah’s interview.

luvgirl said:

violetcrush said:

@Luvgirl: What I got from the information was that Prince was flying out to LA frequently and staying with W, L, & S while he was recording the songs for PR. If you look at the timeline for most of the recording, it was done in the Spring of '83. This was done several months prior to starting rehearsals for the movie. When Susannah described spending time at Sunset Sound with Prince, and the day that he unexpectedly kissed her and told her he can't stop thinking about her I believe that was prior to the trip to MN for the 8/83 concert. I doubt that anyone knew what was brewing with them prior to that August concert and Dez's birthday party - even Wendy and Lisa. Regarding Vanity, I do agree - I had mentioned her comment about Prince needing more than one person to love on an earlier response. No question that she would no longer accept the other women. Seems to be a common thread with all or most of his relationships. Clearly Prince was complicated in relationships - he did not want them to leave, but his actions pushed them away

Listen to the Quest Love interview, Susannah herself marked the date of Prince’s back and forth traveling to her home after Dez’s birthday and Vanity’s departure, but I think we should abide by what OF4$ said and get off the topic of Vanity and focus on Susannah’s interview.

I have listened to Questlove's interview (as I had mentioned it to another poster in an earlier commment), but again, while Susannah did talk about coming to MN and going to Dez's birthday party July/Aug '83, she also first talked about Prince flying out to LA early on, after Wendy had joined the band, to stay at their house and record at Sunset Sound. I think Dez's party was the first time Prince made it publicly obvious that he was pursuing Susannahm which makes sense because Vanity had officially left at that point. Again, that is my interpretation of her comments from both interviews. I could be wrong. I'm sure it is extremely difficult for her to discuss the history in an exact sequential timeline, as it was 30+ years ago. A good argument for keeping a Diary It's also very hard to include details under the time constraint of an interview setting - as Susannah stated at one point during the interview when asked what it was like being his girlfriend "this is probably information for "the book" - as in, it's too much to cover in this time frame. The Vanity discussion was initiated by another poster, but I agree, it's not really necessary here

PS. If you listen to the interview, when Susannah discusses coming to MN in July '83, Toure confirms that is when they had started rehearsals for the movie. He then says, "okay, go back to when the album was being recorded..." Susannah then states that Prince had been going back and forth from the studio to their apartment, and she found herself down at the studio all the time. She stated he would call Wendy and Lisa to come to the studio, and she would often go with them. This is all happening prior to the start of the rehearsals for filming the movie.

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violetcrush said:

Prince wasn’t done recording all the tracks for the album/movie at the time you are referring to. Notice, the songs she mentioned that she heard in the studio were all songs recorded in August or afterwards. Songs like Let’s go Crazy and The Beautiful Ones (which were all recorded around the time of Vanity’s departure) All her statements regarding the start of her venture with Prince aligns more solidly with July/August, around the time Vanity was on her way out.
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luvgirl said:

violetcrush said:

I have listened to Questlove's interview (as I had mentioned it to another poster in an earlier commment), but again, while Susannah did talk about coming to MN and going to Dez's birthday party July/Aug '83, she also first talked about Prince flying out to LA early on, after Wendy had joined the band, to stay at their house and record at Sunset Sound. I think Dez's party was the first time Prince made it publicly obvious that he was pursuing Susannahm which makes sense because Vanity had officially left at that point. Again, that is my interpretation of her comments from both interviews. I could be wrong. I'm sure it is extremely difficult for her to discuss the history in an exact sequential timeline, as it was 30+ years ago. A good argument for keeping a Diary It's also very hard to include details under the time constraint of an interview setting - as Susannah stated at one point during the interview when asked what it was like being his girlfriend "this is probably information for "the book" - as in, it's too much to cover in this time frame. The Vanity discussion was initiated by another poster, but I agree, it's not really necessary here

PS. If you listen to the interview, when Susannah discusses coming to MN in July '83, Toure confirms that is when they had started rehearsals for the movie. He then says, "okay, go back to when the album was being recorded..." Susannah then states that Prince had been going back and forth from the studio to their apartment, and she found herself down at the studio all the time. She stated he would call Wendy and Lisa to come to the studio, and she would I often go with them. This is all happening prior to the start of the rehearsals for filming the movie.

[Edited 2/27/18 10:05am]

Prince wasn’t done recording all the tracks for the album/movie at the time you are referring to. Notice, the songs she mentioned that she heard in the studio were all songs recorded in August or afterwards. Songs like Let’s go Crazy and The Beautiful Ones (which were all recorded around the time of Vanity’s departure) All her statements regarding the start of her venture with Prince aligns more solidly with July/August, around the time Vanity was on her way out. [Edited 2/28/18 8:55am]

She referenced "Let's Go Crazy" and "Beautiful Ones" with regard to his recording process (how he would be alone in the studio while doing his vocals), and how she felt about the songs he was recording. She clarified during the interview that most of the album was done by the time they started rehearsals for the movie. He was flying to LA prior to this time to record other tracks. We can go round and round on this one, but I guess the only one to clarify the time frame would be Susannah.

violetcrush said:

My point was that she was only referencing the songs recorded around the months of that time period because that is when she started to experience his work in the studio. As a side note, Dez Dickerson didn’t even leave the band until May. Anyway, we’ll agree to disagree. You are correct in that only Susannah can clarify at this point.
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luvgirl said:

violetcrush said:

She referenced "Let's Go Crazy" and "Beautiful Ones" with regard to his recording process (how he would be alone in the studio while doing his vocals), and how she felt about the songs he was recording. She clarified during the interview that most of the album was done by the time they started rehearsals for the movie. He was flying to LA prior to this time to record other tracks. We can go round and round on this one, but I guess the only one to clarify the time frame would be Susannah.

My point was that she was only referencing the songs recorded around that time period because that is when she started to experience his work in the studio. As a side note, Dez Dickerson didn’t even leave the band until May. Anyway, we’ll agree to disagree. You are correct in that only Susannah can clarify.

The last date for the 1999 tour was April 10th. Dez was done at that point, and Wendy was asked to join the band - from what I have read. The main reason I think that their connection happened before the July/Aug '83 time frame is due to Susannah describing the intimate contact from him when she went to the studio in LA, and then states, "that following Summer they had started the rehearsals for PR movie and I went to visit Wendy and Lisa...."

Okay, that's it....I promise

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