Stymie said:

Tremolina said:

And yet another wanker making shit personal without having any arguments.

I agree. It's sad.

bellends

honer said:

Stymie said:

Tremolina said: I agree. It's sad.

bellends

You really must have no argument.

Stymie said:

honer said:

bellends

You really must have no argument.

I gave you my argument 2 days ago, you've got too much time on your hands.

honer said:

^ Exactly having no argument whatsoever. Only shit about how much time I supposedly have on my hands, and then look at how much time he is wasting here.

That's just 'normal' behaviour for some people.

Your 2's dinner parties must be AMAZING!

[Edited 6/28/13 2:54am]

honer said:

Your 2's dinner parties must be AMAZING!

[Edited 6/28/13 2:54am]

Still not smart enough to make an argument and still wasting you time on this thread, trolling. It must be nice to have that much time on your hands!

New version of the website but not of the terms and conditions. They are still saying you can't copy any of the material, not even a copy for personal, non-commerical use on another device than your laptop or desktop. And they are still saying they can terminate your "license" AT ANY TIME, even in the case you haven't "violated" the terms.

2. Use License

Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on NPG Records’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

• 1) modify or copy the materials;

• 2) use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);

• 3) attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on NPG Records’s web site;

• 4) remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or

• 5) transfer the materials to another person or “mirror” the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by NPG Records at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

Tremolina said:

New version of the website but not of the terms and conditions. They are still saying you can't copy any of the material, not even a copy for personal, non-commerical use on another device than your laptop or desktop. And they are still saying they can terminate your "license" AT ANY TIME, even in the case you haven't "violated" the terms.

2. Use License

Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on NPG Records’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

• 1) modify or copy the materials;

• 2) use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);

• 3) attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on NPG Records’s web site;

• 4) remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or

• 5) transfer the materials to another person or “mirror” the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by NPG Records at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

Shit, stop the press!

honer said:

Tremolina said:

New version of the website but not of the terms and conditions. They are still saying you can't copy any of the material, not even a copy for personal, non-commerical use on another device than your laptop or desktop. And they are still saying they can terminate your "license" AT ANY TIME, even in the case you haven't "violated" the terms.

Shit, stop the press!

Why don't you stop trolling?

I'm not, I'm a massive Prince fan and like 1000's of other people I bloused past the terms and conditions, downloaded the tunes and got on with my life.

honer said:

I'm not, I'm a massive Prince fan and like 1000's of other people I bloused past the terms and conditions, downloaded the tunes and got on with my life.

You are free to do that. You are free to sing away whatever right you may have in a heartbeat, not caring about what you do and falsely believing it doesn't matter one iota.


And you are free not to. As am I and everybody else.



Doesn't mean that I nor you, nor anybody else should sign away rights, let alone for you or anyone else to pile on me when I try to bring it to the attention, "to whom it may concern".

If you feel it doesn't concern you, you shouldn't be here.


This thread is about how to use your freedom when the party you are closing a contract with is taking that exact freedom away from you. If you don't want to know, step aside.


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[Edited 7/2/13 6:59am]

Tremolina said:

BobGeorge909 said:

Tremolina said:

Still not smart enough to make an argument and still wasting you time on this thread, trolling. It must be nice to have that much time on your hands!

Above the little box where what we type appears ...it says "message"....not "argument". Can i just type a message, or is it in the org's terms or service or whateer its called that we all have to argue....and do your terms supersede the orgs terms?

Have you read the terms of the org?

Obviously not either. Figures, another personal knee jerk response.

Tremolina said:

Tremolina said:

I am "prohibited" from using or accessing 3reygirl.com. Simply because I do not agree with all the website's terms and conditions of use, or terms of service.

The terms say:

Web Site Terms and Conditions of Use

1. Terms

By accessing this web site, you are agreeing to be bound by these web site Terms and Conditions of Use, all applicable laws and regulations, and agree that you are responsible for compliance with any applicable local laws. If you do not agree with any of these terms, you are prohibited from using or accessing this site.

The fact of the matter is, that by accessing the website, I do agree to be bound by all applicable law and regulations, and also that I am responsible for compliance with any applicable local laws. But I do not agree with all the site terms and conditions of use that are set on me by the website.

So, now I am prohibited from using or accessing this site, says the terms.

Why do I not agree with the terms? Well for one, beause they prohibit me from using or even accessing the site when I do not agree with any and all conditions it sets.

But there are several more terms and conditions of use that I do not agree with. Let me pick out just one for now, for the sake of simplicity.

Under paragraph 2 of the terms it says:

2. Use License

1. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on NPG Records’s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:
   1. modify or copy the materials;
   2. use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
   3. attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on NPG Records’s web site;
   4. remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
   5. transfer the materials to another person or “mirror” the materials on any other server.
2. This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by NPG Records at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

What this simply put says is, that when I buy a song on 3rdeyegirl.com, I do not own the copy of the song that I pay for to download. It's not like when I go into a record store when I buy a copy and own it, and therefore can sell it or lend it or make copies for personal, non commercial use of it. On 3rdeyegirl.com I only buy a "license" or conditional permission to "temporarily download one copy".

That one copy is "for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only". Transitory meaning only temporarily, meaning one day, who knows when, I might not be allowed to view or listen to my legally purchased copy any longer. Moreover, I am also not allowed to make any copies of the material, not even for personal, non-commercial purposes. Since I may only make one copy and not make any copies of that copy.

Strictly and all lawyery speaking this means that when I buy a song from 3rdeyegirl , I may only listen to it on the device that I download it on. Since I am only allowed to make one copy. That means that if I download it on my computer, I am not in my rights to transfer a copy to my Ipod for example, or make a CD of it and listen to it on my stereo, or in the car, or wherever. Let alone sell my legally purchased copy to anyone.

Since I only bought a "license", a permission to make and listen to only one copy. But in my country, the Netherlands, the law says that I am allowed to make a copy for my personal use. That's "my applicable local law". So why would I sign that away? They even ask me to comply with my local laws, but this way they are not complying with mine. So I simply don't agree with doing that.

Of course I could say: who cares? Copy away! But I would ask then: what are these terms of service really worth then and why do you force me to agree with them? For sure, if hypothetically speaking, there were ever any lawsuit about it (you never know with Prince), these terms would be worth a lot. But would a lawsuit be worth it in the first place? I don't think so.

Then why still force your customers to agree to such draconic terms? Why not be just a little bit more fair and realistic, less controlling and most of all more practical.

No, no go for me. And I am not going to download it illegally either. I think I will just PASS (again).

__

[Edited 6/22/13 5:20am]

Yeah, I agree...would be the silliest thing he could do or has ever done. What would he gain?

BobGeorge909 said:

Stymie said:

Stymie said:

BobGeorge909 said:

At the end of the day, if this was legalese.com, lawyerslunch.org or legaldiscussions.com...i could understand why you are all up in arms....however, the reality is that his is PRINCE.ORG. implied is a biased demographic...a degree of "appropriate terms or not, im getting this song, and a whole lot of who gives a fuck...or apathy i should say. So like someone selse said...calming down would/could/is a great idea... and taking the discussion to a domain name where the discusion you wanted would be more apt to happen would/could/is a great idea

tremolina is free to discuss whatever he chooses to. Why you and others think he is riled up and needs to calm down or get a life is beyond me. Just as he chose to post this, you and the others could have chosen not to read it and could have kept your nasty and personal or smartassed comments to yourselves.

Really?

You don't think discussing the minutiae of terms and conditions on a website, terms and conditions that no frigger ever reads or cares about is not worthy of telling someone to get a life?

honer said:

nursev said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Tremolina > It seems like you are getting too caught up in legalese! I mean if you followed all the laws you couldn't live!!! We still have some laws in this country that say it's OK to kill a Welshman in a certain town! Who does it though!?

I bet you used to copy tapes from vinyl records so you've done it already!!!

[Edited 6/20/13 14:12pm]

Damn I think we all did that

I'm guiltly of this as any of ya'all are back in the day Heck!, even I would tape songs off the radio

Ohhhhh now........... back on topic.

luv4u said:

nursev said:

Damn I think we all did that

I'm guiltly of this as any of ya'all are back in the day Heck!, even I would tape songs off the radio

Ohhhhh now........... back on topic.

But you see now, THAT is NOT "illegal" in MY country, and it shouldn't be in yours either, but it IS what Prince MAKES illegal with his terms.

Actually there is a law in the USA also that allows for "hometaping", it's called the Audio Home Recording Act.

It allows you to make copies of audio recordings for your personal non-commercial use. However, it was enacted in 1992 and the US Congress hasn't quite made sure this law is also applicable to the internet.

However MY law to make copies for personal, non-commercial use does apply to the internet and yours SHOULD also, but when you agree to the 3rdeye girl terms you do NOT have those rights!

Audio Home Recording Act

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(Redirected from Home Recording Act)

The Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 (AHRA) amended the United States copyright law by adding Chapter 10, "Digital Audio Recording Devices and Media". The act enabled the release of recordable digital formats such as Sony and Philips'Digital Audio Tape without fear of contributory infringement lawsuits.

The RIAA and music publishers, concerned that consumers' ability to make perfect digital copies of music would destroy the market for audio recordings, had threatened to sue companies and had lobbied Congress to pass legislation imposing mandatory copy protection technology and royalties on devices and media.

The AHRA establishes a number of important precedents in US copyright law that defined the debate between device makers and the content industry for the ensuing two decades. These include:

• the first government technology mandate in the copyright law, requiring all digital audio recording devices sold, manufactured or imported in the US (excluding professional audio equipment) to include the Serial Copy Management System (SCMS).
• the first anti-circumvention provisions in copyright law, later applied on a much broader scale by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
• the first government-imposed royalties on devices and media, a portion of which is paid to the record industry directly.

The Act also includes blanket protection from infringement actions for private, non-commercial analog audio copying, and for digital audio copies made with certain kinds of digital audio recording technology.

....

By using the terms "digital audio recording device" and "digital audio recording medium", which have specific meanings in this legislation, Congress required that in order to be exempt from copyright infringement actions, digital copies must be made to a device or medium marketed specifically for recording audio. Though there are no reliable figures on the subject, the meager returns to the Copyright Office's DART fund amidst widespread copying and dissemination of digital music suggests that a great deal of copying, noncommercial or otherwise, is accomplished using devices not covered by the AHRA, such as portable MP3 players, computer hard drives, and most CD burners and CD-Rs.

[Edited 7/8/13 14:46pm]

Stymie said:

honer said:

Really?

You don't think discussing the minutiae of terms and conditions on a website, terms and conditions that no frigger ever reads or cares about is not worthy of telling someone to get a life?

No I don't. Getting personal with someone who chooses to discuss that minutiae is worthy of such. So........

It's funny you know, this is prince.org and there's even a forum on it dedicated to prince's past, present and future websites. That's the forum even where this thread got banned to, but I'm STILL not allowed to make my comments!

Stymie said:

honer said:

Really?

You don't think discussing the minutiae of terms and conditions on a website, terms and conditions that no frigger ever reads or cares about is not worthy of telling someone to get a life?

No I don't. Getting personal with someone who chooses to discuss that minutiae is worthy of such. So........

Do you wear a lot of beige?

luv4u said:

nursev said:

Damn I think we all did that

I'm guiltly of this as any of ya'all are back in the day Heck!, even I would tape songs off the radio

Ohhhhh now........... back on topic.

Even my grandparents taped music off the radio...