NPGMC shut down during trademark fight... that's the truth.

NPGMC was shut down the day that an opposition 2 it's trademark was filed. The opposing company HM Publishing filed trademark 4 everything under the sun... AFTER NPGMC and NPG records filed 4 trademark twice. It hasn't been said, but the club shut down the day the opposition was filed.


[Link http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=91171672&pty=OPP&eno=1 - luv4u]

I am just posting quotes of what I researched and posted on another website, read 4 yourself.

Synergy said:

Synergy said:

and the lesson iz

never fuck with a smart woman


" he would have done better to remain my guest "

sacredwarrior said:

and the lesson iz

never fuck with a smart woman


" he would have done better to remain my guest "

karma, anyone???

HoneymoonXpress said:

I have an idea on what we could do 2 help Prince... but I doubt that anyone here would b interested, am I correct?

Synergy said:

lol! I wasn't bad mouthing, I was baiting - begging U 2 bite and come help us... I am discussing my idea now and when I get it sound I will fill y'all in.

BTW, any lawyers in the house? Contact me, please?

Thank YOU!

It was time for Prince to get rid of that silly name anyhow, its beyond dated.

pwned!!!!!

Tom said:

Prince.org is a cemetery where folks mourn Prince instead of celebrate him and his music. Last time I checked, Prince isn't dead yet.

purplecam said:

Mailed: July 3, 2006
Opposition No 91171672
Serial No. 78586515, 78586548

DAVID G. SCHELZEL
BEST & FLANAGAN LLP
225 S 6TH ST STE 4000
MINNEAPOLIS, MN 55402-4690
dschelzel@bestlaw.com

HM PUBLISHERS HOLDINGS LIMITED
v.
Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.
Gary J. Pitzer
TAROLLI, SUNDHEIM, COVELL & TUMMINO LLP
1300 EAST NINTH STREET SUITE 1700
CLEVELAND, OH 44147
gpitzer@tarolli.com

ESTTA88258
A notice of opposition to the registration sought in the aboveidentified
application has been filed. The notice of opposition can be
viewed and printed at
http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?qs= 91171672
ANSWER IS DUE FORTY DAYS after the transmission date hereof. (See
Trademark Rule 2.196 for expiration date falling on Saturday, Sunday or
a holiday).

Proceedings will be conducted in accordance with the Trademark Rules of
Practice, set forth in Title 37, part 2, of the Code of Federal Regulations.
The parties are reminded of the recent amendments to the Trademark Rules that
affect the rules of practice before the TTAB. See Rules of Practice for
Trademark-Related Filings Under the Madrid Protocol Implementation Act, 68
Fed. R. 55,748 (September 26, 2003) (effective November 2, 2003);
Reorganization of Correspondence and Other Provisions, 68 Fed. Reg. 48,286
(August 13, 2003) (effective September 12, 2003). Notices concerning the
rules changes, as well as the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board Manual of
Procedure (TBMP), are available at www.uspto.gov/web/offices/dcom/ttab/.
The parties are particularly referred to Trademark Rule 2.126
pertaining to the form of submissions. Paper submissions, including
but not limited to exhibits and depositions, not filed in accordance
United States Patent and Trademark Office
Trademark Trial and Appeal Board
P.O. Box 1451
Alexandria, VA 22313-1451
with Trademark Rule 2.126 may not be given consideration or entered
into the case file.
Discovery and testimony periods are set as follows:

Discovery period to open: July 23, 2006
Discovery period to close: January 19, 2007
30-day testimony period for party
in position of plaintiff to close: April 19, 2007
30-day testimony period for party
in position of defendant to close: June 18, 2007
15-day rebuttal testimony period
for plaintiff to close: August 02, 2007
A party must serve on the adverse party a copy of the transcript of any
testimony taken during the party's testimony period, together with
copies of documentary exhibits, within 30 days after completion of the
taking of such testimony. See Trademark Rule 2.l25.
Briefs shall be filed in accordance with Trademark Rule 2.l28(a) and
(b). An oral hearing will be set only upon request filed as provided
by Trademark Rule 2.l29.
NOTE: The Board allows parties to utilize telephone conferences to
discuss or resolve many interlocutory matters that arise in inter
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Expansion of Telephone Conferencing on Interlocutory Matters in Inter
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(June 20, 2000). The notice is available at http://www.uspto.gov.
Interlocutory matters which the Board agrees to discuss or decide by
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proceedings involving related marks or, during the pendency of this
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New Developments at the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board
TTAB forms for electronic filing of extensions of time to oppose, notices of
opposition, and inter partes filings are now available at
http://estta.uspto.gov. Images of TTAB proceeding files can be viewed using
TTABVue at http://ttabvue.uspto.gov.

wow, *thats* what this is all about? once again, why not just come clean?


oh wait, that would have been too easy.

I wonder if this explains why the gray NPGMC logo has disappeared from the blank website, leaving just a black void now.

avah12 said:

Yes, it more than likely is the reason, because according 2 the above letter sent 2 the lawyers representing Prince and PPE, the "NPG" more than likely cannot b used until the very least August 2, 2007 - when all testimony and Discovery must b submitted. I seriously doubt that it would b that soon as they would have 2 await a judgement from the governing committee.

I am wondering, if "we" as the members of The "NPG" can throw some salt into Nature's game, in the 4m of a class action suit, if 4 nothing else, 2 tie their hands up as they have tied Prince's hands.

They have, by their lawsuit, infringed upon r memberships, causing undo stress 2 many members, loss of friendships, loss of access 2 music and merchandise and perks that as NPG members, we are entitled too.

I am serious, I don't expect it 2 go anywhere, but nothing will choke a lawsuit like another lawsuit? Get me... Prince/ has been calling fam NPG since the early 90's - we can claim that as a "community" HM is causing harm.

So, is this possible? Or am I just evil?

Oh and U're welcome on thanks 4 my research... Cool

sosgemini said:

wow, *thats* what this is all about? once again, why not just come clean?


oh wait, that would have been too easy.

Maybe he thought that *we* would think he was an incompentent business man? Or that it wouldn't have gone this far and it would have been gone b4 having 2 close the club? There r a million reasons.

Synergy said:

sosgemini said:

wow, *thats* what this is all about? once again, why not just come clean?


oh wait, that would have been too easy.

Maybe he thought that *we* would think he was an incompentent business man? Or that it wouldn't have gone this far and it would have been gone b4 having 2 close the club? There r a million reasons.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Synergy said:

Maybe he thought that *we* would think he was an incompentent business man? Or that it wouldn't have gone this far and it would have been gone b4 having 2 close the club? There r a million reasons.

we think? change that--we know that he's an incompetent businessman. if he weren't, the majority of us definitely wouldn't be bitching about stuff he's done in the past.

For anyone who's interested, there's lots more discussion about this on a thread at HQ!

http://www.housequake.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69364

so who gets the webby award now ?

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Synergy said:

Maybe he thought that *we* would think he was an incompentent business man? Or that it wouldn't have gone this far and it would have been gone b4 having 2 close the club? There r a million reasons.

we think? change that--we know that he's an incompetent businessman. if he weren't, the majority of us definitely wouldn't be bitching about stuff he's done in the past.

sosgemini said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

we think? change that--we know that he's an incompetent businessman. if he weren't, the majority of us definitely wouldn't be bitching about stuff he's done in the past.

all he had to say was that due to pending letigation all future prince corresponandance would be handled via 3121...


but nooooo....he had to close things down without any warning or explenation.

sosgemini said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

we think? change that--we know that he's an incompetent businessman. if he weren't, the majority of us definitely wouldn't be bitching about stuff he's done in the past.

all he had to say was that due to pending letigation all future prince corresponandance would be handled via 3121...


but nooooo....he had to close things down without any warning or explenation.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

sosgemini said:

all he had to say was that due to pending letigation all future prince corresponandance would be handled via 3121...


but nooooo....he had to close things down without any warning or explenation.

e-fucking-xactly!

U want the TRUTH...Here is the TRUTH! U can choose 2 believe it or not!


This is what the e-mail from NPG says....


Tough Shit that I pulled the plug on the Club!

Tough Shit that I didn't give u all any notice!

Tough Shit that U didn't get the e-mail from US as there NO LONGER is an US!

Tough Shit that U didn't get ur downloads...U should have already bought them!

Tough Shit that U NOW want Merchandise!....U should have already bought it!

Tough Shit that U will not know if I'm going 2 go on tour and if I do U will have 2 pay (a higher price) Damn, I never told the Club what I was doing anyways. It always seemed 2 get leaked out on the "un-authorized" sites anyways, so why do I need 2 have a Club?

Are U REALLY gunna believe that this is a "hiatus"...PLEAZEEEEE read between the lines!


It's all there U just have 2 want 2 see the TRUTH!

And DON'T blame this on the folx @ NPG as they have a boss that decides ALL of these things and only HE makes the decisions and his name is PRINCE. So if u want 2 blame...blame him! And if U think he really gives a rat's ass about what U think ur livin in a dream world...just like him!

Whatever ppl, just passing on the news... do what U like with it.

HM Publishers Holding Ltd buy into india...

MACMILLAN INDIA LTD. H M PUBLISHERS HOLDINGS LTD. 04-May-98 03-Jun-98 564312 20 220 CONSOLIDATION OF HOLDINGS 70.98 IND GLOBAL FINANCIAL TRUST LTD MONDKAR COMPUTERS PVT. LTD.

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:y0Vp2J4FyjQJ:www.sebi.gov.in/takeover/takeoverrep9899.html+HM+PUBLISHERS+HOLDINGS+LIMITED&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1
[Edited 7/8/06 4:27am]

This is their companies registered public address (Oh they're MacMilan Publishers!)

H M Publishers Holdings Ltd. Brunel Road Houndmills Basingstoke RG21 6XS Tel: 01256-329242

They are one of the Top 500 Companies in Europe - Largest Companies in UK:

http://www.top500.de/g0031233.htm

And have heavily invested in Macmillian Publishers in India

http://www.macmillanindia.com/Shareholding_Patternason_31stDecember2005.doc

And have sued for copyright before online:

http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/decisions/html/2005/d2005-0741.html

and again:

http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/decisions/html/2002/d2002-0658.html

Karma is something else.Remember all the times Prince has sued other people?And why Lie?"You aint gotta lie craig"

Synergy said:

avah12 said:

I wonder if this explains why the gray NPGMC logo has disappeared from the blank website, leaving just a black void now.

Yes, it more than likely is the reason, because according 2 the above letter sent 2 the lawyers representing Prince and PPE, the "NPG" more than likely cannot b used until the very least August 2, 2007 - when all testimony and Discovery must b submitted. I seriously doubt that it would b that soon as they would have 2 await a judgement from the governing committee.

I am wondering, if "we" as the members of The "NPG" can throw some salt into Nature's game, in the 4m of a class action suit, if 4 nothing else, 2 tie their hands up as they have tied Prince's hands.

They have, by their lawsuit, infringed upon r memberships, causing undo stress 2 many members, loss of friendships, loss of access 2 music and merchandise and perks that as NPG members, we are entitled too.

I am serious, I don't expect it 2 go anywhere, but nothing will choke a lawsuit like another lawsuit? Get me... Prince/ has been calling fam NPG since the early 90's - we can claim that as a "community" HM is causing harm.

So, is this possible? Or am I just evil?

Oh and U're welcome on thanks 4 my research... Cool

sosgemini said:

wow, *thats* what this is all about? once again, why not just come clean?


oh wait, that would have been too easy.

Synergy said:

avah12 said:

I wonder if this explains why the gray NPGMC logo has disappeared from the blank website, leaving just a black void now.

Yes, it more than likely is the reason, because according 2 the above letter sent 2 the lawyers representing Prince and PPE, the "NPG" more than likely cannot b used until the very least August 2, 2007 - when all testimony and Discovery must b submitted. I seriously doubt that it would b that soon as they would have 2 await a judgement from the governing committee.

I am wondering, if "we" as the members of The "NPG" can throw some salt into Nature's game, in the 4m of a class action suit, if 4 nothing else, 2 tie their hands up as they have tied Prince's hands.

They have, by their lawsuit, infringed upon r memberships, causing undo stress 2 many members, loss of friendships, loss of access 2 music and merchandise and perks that as NPG members, we are entitled too.

I am serious, I don't expect it 2 go anywhere, but nothing will choke a lawsuit like another lawsuit? Get me... Prince/ has been calling fam NPG since the early 90's - we can claim that as a "community" HM is causing harm.

So, is this possible? Or am I just evil?

Oh and U're welcome on thanks 4 my research... Cool

Synergy said:

I am wondering, if "we" as the members of The "NPG" can throw some salt into Nature's game, in the 4m of a class action suit, if 4 nothing else, 2 tie their hands up as they have tied Prince's hands.

They have, by their lawsuit, infringed upon r memberships, causing undo stress 2 many members, loss of friendships, loss of access 2 music and merchandise and perks that as NPG members, we are entitled too.

I am serious, I don't expect it 2 go anywhere, but nothing will choke a lawsuit like another lawsuit? Get me... Prince/ has been calling fam NPG since the early 90's - we can claim that as a "community" HM is causing harm.

Or am I just evil?

RockNRoll said:

Synergy said:

I am wondering, if "we" as the members of The "NPG" can throw some salt into Nature's game, in the 4m of a class action suit, if 4 nothing else, 2 tie their hands up as they have tied Prince's hands.

They have, by their lawsuit, infringed upon r memberships, causing undo stress 2 many members, loss of friendships, loss of access 2 music and merchandise and perks that as NPG members, we are entitled too.

I am serious, I don't expect it 2 go anywhere, but nothing will choke a lawsuit like another lawsuit? Get me... Prince/ has been calling fam NPG since the early 90's - we can claim that as a "community" HM is causing harm.

Or am I just evil?

No, you're not evil... maybe just bored



Synergy, you have got to be kidding right? This is a joke?


Has it dawned on you YET that maybe Prince didn't care enough to stop this legal action?
With his money and lawyers, and his stubborn little self, I'm sure he would have did something before it had got to the point of where it has. My advice, not that you asked for it .. but mind your business. I'm sure if Prince wanted your or any other fans help he would have asked for it
[Edited 7/8/06 9:49am]

I say we let them know how we feel

Offices

NPG has offices worldwide. Our principal publishing offices are in London, Basingstoke (UK) and New York.
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SlamGlam said:

i do not know? maybe a few hundread emails a day will at least bug them some?

RockNRoll said:

SlamGlam said:

I say we let them know how we feel

I doubt they really care

If they don't care what your all mighty god Prince feels, they don't care what you "feel". .. sorry to be the one to break it to you


I think if they cared, they wouldn't have went so far to have had the NPGMC shut down.
Who knows? Maybe they lurked from time to time and felt they were doing some of you a favor.

RockNRoll said:

SlamGlam said:

i do not know? maybe a few hundread emails a day will at least bug them some?

RockNRoll said:

I doubt they really care

If they don't care what your all mighty god Prince feels, they don't care what you "feel". .. sorry to be the one to break it to you


I think if they cared, they wouldn't have went so far to have had the NPGMC shut down.
Who knows? Maybe they lurked from time to time and felt they were doing some of you a favor.

Some of you are still in denial. but hey man, I guess it's got to be understandable. You were all banished INTO THE REAL WORLD. And sometimes that real world don't make some of you all happy.

But really, wake up and smell the "purple" coffee.

If Prince wanted your help, he would have requested it at the NPGMC site. He had no problem asking for help with the W/B Lawsuit. Prince has genius thoughts


.

RockNRoll said:

RockNRoll said:

Some of you are still in denial. but hey man, I guess it's got to be understandable. You were all banished INTO THE REAL WORLD. And sometimes that real world don't make some of you all happy.

Prince has genius thoughts

but then again... you do have a great point.. IF this was JUST about the uses of NPG he could just do fast makeover and call it 3121... and just take out all the NPG references.

SlamGlam said:

RockNRoll said:

SlamGlam said:

but then again... you do have a great point.. IF this was JUST about the uses of NPG he could just do fast makeover and call it 3121... and just take out all the NPG references.

He had many options. He, for some reason, chose to close the website down. Simple as that

First of all, We have always *lived* in the real world... Stop the stupid, Sheep following their master shit, it's getting old... and tired. U don't know me... or else U'd know that I am no one's sheep, understand?

Prince is not a GOD, he is a Man... yes, there is MORE 2 the story - but if U took 2 seconds 2 read all that I put up, U will see that this is far more than a club. This could affect the NPG label eventually.

And maybe Prince is just dang tired of fighting people's stupid assinine lawsuits and he will go retire somewhere, but the thing is that whatever music would have,or has been published under the banner of "NPG" could b caput.

I have never seen such bitterness... and ppl thought those of us that played in the Member's Connection were screwy? Puh-leese!

Hey, I am not talking about a million member march - I am talking about giving a company a little hell 4 a minute... I am talking that MORE than likely the NPGMC probably had no choice 2 close the minute that letter was in their hands or face even bigger problems legally set forth in the letter..

GET me? The letter was mailed 2 them late on the eve of a National Holiday 2 force their hand and make them comply without any chance of asking 4 an extension of the use of the name NPG until the date of determination... it's a underhanded trick that A LOT of lawyers will readily admit 2 using.

I mean, Come on... U wanted a reason, U got one - whatever the hell else is going on, as it does NOT apply 2 us, is NONE of our business. And a little FYI, Most of us r out here in the real world working 2 make peoples lives BETTER - and that says a wrong is a WRONG. I don't care who the person wronged is... and a truly altruistic person doesn't distinguish between them.

Bottom line, what should any of the members' care what Prince or his legal team would like us 2 do? It's not about HIM - it's about the Music and the access that was taken away from us over a frivilous battle. Else, U explain 2 me how a confused affiliation with an International Superstar's Trademark hurts that business? We're talking an International superstar that is a vegetarian and has won awards 4 honoring nature and championing causes that r against cruelty 2 animals and pro-environment somehow being a detriment 2 A NATURE Publication, explain that?

His hands, the NPGMC's hands were tied - they had 2 shut down on reciept of that letter... and more than likely, advised by counsel, were told 2 NOT say EXACTLY what was going on due 2 pending litigation, thus the new direction BS.

it's nice to see peoples' concern over all this, but frankly, there are far worse things to put a stop to and take a stand for than a petty-assed lawsuit being aimed at a pop star.

Synergy said:

" Arrogant man thinks he can break the rules and get away with it. This is a Fools Game "


" Any Living Cell that fails to be self-cleansing - dies of its own pollution "



" Any specie that fails to evolve - is doomed to extinction "



" We don't use money in Heaven on Earth "





welcome to the dawn

sacredwarrior said:

" Arrogant man thinks he can break the rules and get away with it. This is a Fools Game "


" Any Living Cell that fails to be self-cleansing - dies of its own pollution "



" Any specie that fails to evolve - is doomed to extinction "



" We don't use money in Heaven on Earth "





welcome to the dawn

wonder505 said:

sacredwarrior said:

" Arrogant man thinks he can break the rules and get away with it. This is a Fools Game "


" Any Living Cell that fails to be self-cleansing - dies of its own pollution "



" Any specie that fails to evolve - is doomed to extinction "



" We don't use money in Heaven on Earth "





welcome to the dawn

Umm, the things you list are daily challenges that every human being on earth goes through, don't be a hyprocrite, that means you too.
[Edited 7/8/06 15:54pm]

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

wonder505 said:

Umm, the things you list are daily challenges that every human being on earth goes through, don't be a hyprocrite, that means you too.
[Edited 7/8/06 15:54pm]

wonder505 said:

sacredwarrior said:

" Arrogant man thinks he can break the rules and get away with it. This is a Fools Game "


" Any Living Cell that fails to be self-cleansing - dies of its own pollution "



" Any specie that fails to evolve - is doomed to extinction "



" We don't use money in Heaven on Earth "





welcome to the dawn

Umm, the things you list are daily challenges that every human being on earth goes through, [Edited 7/8/06 15:54pm]

wow. just wow.

co sign. wow.

be the change you wish to see in the world.....ghandi.

vi

I'm New Power Generation until the day I die!!! Fuckers.

i seen the cover of the book
the NPG wants to publish

it is gonna MESS YOUR MIND UP

it makes the Bible look PAST TENCE

the lawsuits are just a ploy to keep this book from being released

I Know the title.

thanks Syn, I had no idea what that man was thinking

" now spiritual wickedness in highplaces never turned me on..

cuz somethin bout the money and religion mixed "

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

electriclife said:

electriclife said:

Hmmm...look at the case of Apple Computers vs. Apple Records.
Apple Computers won the first case in 1991 because Apple Records thought the "Apple" name and logo infringed on their profits with The Beatles music (which by the way was owned by Michael Jackson and soon be owned by Sony). Now that Apple Computers have the iPod, Apple Records sued Apple Computers again for infringement in the music biz.

Here's a couple links about the Apple trademark case:
http://www.legalzoom.com/articles/article_content/article11325.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/29/technology/29cnd-apple.html?ex=1301288400&en=403106ab148b68c8&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
http://news.findlaw.com/nytimes/docs/apple/aclac100991tmagr.html

Hopefully, something positive will happen with NPGMC. Perhaps a new name and a new site will come...

Damn, now my "NPG" plate has lost its meaning. 2 bad.

pr1nce said:

coketa said:

i wouldn't touch anything unless asked to do so, you never know for sure if you are helping or hurting. i wouldn't want to cause waves and make something civil go bad.

personally i'm happy with little ol' 3121.com myself.
take care,
Jill
[Edited 7/8/06 20:06pm]

Tom said:

" If u really cared about helpin me, u wouldnt have posted my private biz .
if i'd wanted y'all 2 know, woulda told u myself. "

something he might say ?

now all the complainers can be quiet again....

but they should sue the real NPG...

http://www.npg.org/

pkidwell said:

So the problem is with NPGMC selling books.

I don't know whether it'd honestly be better to fight this or not. If it were me I'd not want to share the name with this company or any of the others using NPG, and wouldn't bother with going through the legal proceedings. 'New Power Generation' was already sounding dated in the early 90s, so why not use this as an opportunity for a new site, a new name and slogan, and some new funky music? He's still Prince, he still has his silly little symbol, and he likes a bit of reinvention and hype. He could weave a whole new story and pseudo-movement/collective. It sounds like something right up his alley to me.

sosgemini said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

we think? change that--we know that he's an incompetent businessman. if he weren't, the majority of us definitely wouldn't be bitching about stuff he's done in the past.

all he had to say was that due to pending letigation all future prince corresponandance would be handled via 3121...


but nooooo....he had to close things down without any warning or explenation.

sacredwarrior said:

and the lesson iz

never fuck with a smart woman


" he would have done better to remain my guest "

cinnamongirl24 said:

sacredwarrior said:

and the lesson iz

never fuck with a smart woman


" he would have done better to remain my guest "

what guy would want to fuck with a smart woman anyway, especially when the smarter they are, the uglier/nerdier they are.

cinnamongirl24 said:

sacredwarrior said:

and the lesson iz

never fuck with a smart woman


" he would have done better to remain my guest "

what guy would want to fuck with a smart woman anyway, especially when the smarter they are, the uglier/nerdier they are.

wonder505 said:

They should have shut it down TWICE!

cinnamongirl24 said:

sacredwarrior said:

and the lesson iz

never fuck with a smart woman


" he would have done better to remain my guest "

what guy would want to fuck with a smart woman anyway,

Attorneys r fuckin snakes.

PRINCE SHOULD USE THE SITE I ONCE OWNED.... WWW.GAMILLAH.COM

Fauxie said:

cinnamongirl24 said:

what guy would want to fuck with a smart woman anyway, especially when the smarter they are, the uglier/nerdier they are.

You must be stunning!

...
[Edited 7/9/06 1:16am]

gamillah said:

I'm not sure... why any of you care about this. It isn't our business, or our problem. Unless someone with real insight into the minefield that is US copyright law can shed some light on the subject, I suggest it isn't worth worrying over. The NPG name has had its day anyway IMO; a change would be nice.

If the NPG Music Club needs to be re-named for legal reasons, it'll take some time to re-brand and re-launch the site. It'd be a pretty large task to do that, which is a likely explanation for the current downtime.

Sit tight. Prince needs a website to run his business - you can bet that they'll get back online in due course. In the meantime, go read a book or get some fresh air!

The Secret 2 life is 2 have MORE beginnings than Ending!!
[b][Edited 7/9/06 5:33am]

ian said:

FutureShock said:

Personal crises can fuel creativity, but mundane legal crises, and unitelligent ignorant criticism can stump it.

In terms of all the catty banter on here about him getting what was coming 2 him, and "OH... he should have told us what was really hapenening", and "couldn't he have given us more notice"...

Y'all R some serious backstabbers. I dedicate the classic O'Jays song 2 U.

If Prince would take my advice on just one thing, I'd tell him 2 stay clear away from the internet. I mean, criticism and opinions R both natural and acceptable, but an artist needs not 2 be reading this kind, if they wish 2 be an open channel 4 creativity.

I thought Synergy's idea was brilliant... it may not need 2 be implemented, but at least there's thought there, instead of whining.

... double PEACE 2 WONDER505 4 the above comment.

Peace.

ALSO... Prince may see this as a sign 4 change. Therefore, he was being honest in saying it was time 2 move on. If U have the perspective that everything happens 4 a reason, then this is more than just a problem or a fight... it's a sign. I was personally tired of NPG anyway.

G.
[Edited 7/9/06 6:00am]
[Edited 7/9/06 6:03am]

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

pwned!!!!!

The Lawsuit States Precedents on the following:

The Lanham Act; Title 15 of the U.S. Code: 15 USC 1052 (sec 2a, 2d)

Lanham (Trademark) Act (15 U.S.C.)


Trademarks registrable on the principal register; concurrent registration

§1052. Trademarks registrable on the principal register; concurrent registration
No trademark by which the goods of the applicant may be distinguished from the goods of others shall be refused registration on the principal register on account of its nature unless it—

Registration should be refused pursuant to Section 2(a) of the Lanham Act, 15 USC 1052 (2a)


(a)
Consists of or comprises immoral, deceptive, or scandalous matter; or matter which may disparage or falsely suggest a connection with persons, living or dead, institutions, beliefs, or national symbols, or bring them into contempt, or disrepute; or a geographical indication which, when used on or in connection with wines or spirits, identifies a place other than the origin of the goods and is first used on or in connection with wines or spirits by the applicant on or after one year after the date on which the WTO Agreement (as defined in section 2(9) of the Uruguay Round Agreements Act [19 USC §3501(9)]) enters into force with respect to the United States.

Registration should be refused pursuant to Section 2(a) of the Lanham Act, 15 USC 1052 (2d)


(d)
Consists of or comprises a mark which so resembles a mark registered in the Patent and Trademark Office, or a mark or trade name previously used in the United States by another and not abandoned, as to be likely, when used on or in connection with the goods of the applicant, to cause confusion, or to cause mistake, or to deceive: Provided, That if the Director determines that confusion, mistake, or deception is not likely to result from the continued use by more than one person of the same or similar marks under conditions and limitations as to the mode or place of use of the marks or the goods on or in connection with which such marks are used, concurrent registrations may be issued to such persons when they have become entitled to use such marks as a result of their concurrent lawful use in commerce prior to (1) the earliest of the filing dates of the applications pending or of any registration issued under this Act; (2) July 5, 1947, in the case of registrations previously issued under the Act of March 3, 1881, or February 20, 1905, and continuing in full force and effect on that date; or (3) July 5, 1947, in the case of applications filed under the Act of February 20, 1905, and registered after July 5, 1947. Use prior to the filing date of any pending application or a registration shall not be required when the owner of such application or registration consents to the grant of a concurrent registration to the applicant. Concurrent registrations may also be issued by the Director when a court of competent jurisdiction has finally determined that more than one person is entitled to use the same or similar marks in commerce. In issuing concurrent registrations, the Director shall prescribe conditions and limitations as to the mode or place of use of the mark or the goods on or in connection with which such mark is registered to the respective persons.


Supported by the following Documents: (they are claiming that they can add “NPG” 2 their original trademark on “Nature”), they didn’t file for a TM on “NPG” until a YEAR after the NPG-MC applied for their TM.

Exhibit A)

Typed Drawing
Word Mark NATURE
Goods and Services IC 016. US 038. G & S: TECHNICAL JOURNAL IN MAGAZINE FORM. FIRST USE: 18690000. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 18690000
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Design Search Code
Serial Number 73177309
Filing Date July 6, 1978
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Registration Number 1129966
Registration Date January 29, 1980
Owner (REGISTRANT) MACMILLAN JOURNALS LIMITED CORPORATION GREAT BRITAIN LITTLE ESSEX ST. LONDON ENGLAND W.C. 2
(LAST LISTED OWNER) HM PUBLISHERS HOLDINGS LIMITED LTD LIAB CO UNITED KINGDOM BRUNEL ROAD HOUNDMILLS, BASINGSTOKE HAMPSHIRE UNITED KINGDOM RG21 6XS
Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Attorney of Record RONALD E. SHAPIRO
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Affidavit Text SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR). SECTION 8(10-YR) 20000830.
Renewal 1ST RENEWAL 20000830
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE



Exhibit B)

Word Mark NPG MUSIC CLUB
Goods and Services IC 035. US 100 101 102. G & S: online retail store services featuring clothing, jewelry, wearable accessories, posters, concert programs, books, music recordings, video recordings, and related merchandise; promoting the sale of goods and services of others through the distribution of information online and promotional contests. FIRST USE: 20000626. (June 26, 2000) FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20010214 (January 14, 2001)
IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: providing online information in the field of music and entertainment. FIRST USE: 20000626. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20010214
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Design Search Code
Serial Number 78586515
Filing Date March 14, 2005
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Published for Opposition January 3, 2006
Owner (APPLICANT) Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc. CORPORATION MINNESOTA 7801 Audubon Road Chanhassen MINNESOTA 55317
Attorney of Record David G. Schelzel
Disclaimer NO CLAIM IS MADE TO THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE "MUSIC CLUB" APART FROM THE MARK AS SHOWN
Type of Mark SERVICE MARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

Exhibit C)



Word Mark NPG MUSIC CLUB
Goods and Services IC 035. US 100 101 102. G & S: online retail store services featuring clothing, jewelry, wearable accessories, posters, concert programs, books, music recordings, video recordings, and related merchandise; promoting the sale of goods and services of others through the distribution of information online and promotional contests. FIRST USE: 20000626. (June 26, 2000) FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20010214 (February 14, 2001)
IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: providing online information in the field of music and entertainment. FIRST USE: 20000626. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20010214
Mark Drawing Code (5) WORDS, LETTERS, AND/OR NUMBERS IN STYLIZED FORM
Design Search Code
Serial Number 78586548
Filing Date March 14, 2005
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Published for Opposition January 3, 2006
Owner (APPLICANT) Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc. CORPORATION MINNESOTA 7801 Audubon Road Chanhassen MINNESOTA 55317
Attorney of Record David G. Schelzel
Disclaimer NO CLAIM IS MADE TO THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE "MUSIC CLUB" APART FROM THE MARK AS SHOWN
Type of Mark SERVICE MARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE


Letter of Intention Mailed 2 NPGMC on July 3, 2006:

Mailed: July 3, 2006
Opposition No 91171672
Serial No. 78586515, 78586548

DAVID G. SCHELZEL
BEST & FLANAGAN LLP
225 S 6TH ST STE 4000
MINNEAPOLIS, MN 55402-4690
dschelzel@bestlaw.com

HM PUBLISHERS HOLDINGS LIMITED
v.
Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.
Gary J. Pitzer

TAROLLI, SUNDHEIM, COVELL & TUMMINO LLP
1300 EAST NINTH STREET SUITE 1700
CLEVELAND, OH 44147
gpitzer@tarolli.com

ESTTA88258
A notice of opposition to the registration sought in the above identified application has been filed. The notice of opposition can be viewed and printed at
http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?qs= 91171672

ANSWER IS DUE FORTY DAYS after the transmission date hereof. (See Trademark Rule 2.196 for expiration date falling on Saturday, Sunday or a holiday).

Proceedings will be conducted in accordance with the Trademark Rules of Practice, set forth in Title 37, part 2, of the Code of Federal Regulations.
The parties are reminded of the recent amendments to the Trademark Rules that affect the rules of practice before the TTAB. See Rules of Practice for Trademark-Related Filings Under the Madrid Protocol Implementation Act, 68
Fed. R. 55,748 (September 26, 2003) (effective November 2, 2003); Reorganization of Correspondence and Other Provisions, 68 Fed. Reg. 48,286 (August 13, 2003) (effective September 12, 2003). Notices concerning the
rules changes, as well as the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board Manual of Procedure (TBMP), are available at www.uspto.gov/web/offices/dcom/ttab/.

The parties are particularly referred to Trademark Rule 2.126
pertaining to the form of submissions. Paper submissions, including but not limited to exhibits and depositions, not filed in accordance United States Patent and Trademark Office

Trademark Trial and Appeal Board
P.O. Box 1451
Alexandria, VA 22313-1451
with Trademark Rule 2.126 may not be given consideration or entered
into the case file.

Discovery and testimony periods are set as follows:

Discovery period to open: July 23, 2006
Discovery period to close: January 19, 2007
30-day testimony period for party
in position of plaintiff to close: April 19, 2007
30-day testimony period for party
in position of defendant to close: June 18, 2007
15-day rebuttal testimony period
for plaintiff to close: August 02, 2007

A party must serve on the adverse party a copy of the transcript of any testimony taken during the party's testimony period, together with copies of documentary exhibits, within 30 days after completion of the
taking of such testimony. See Trademark Rule 2.l25.
Briefs shall be filed in accordance with Trademark Rule 2.l28(a) and (b). An oral hearing will be set only upon request filed as provided by Trademark Rule 2.l29.

NOTE: The Board allows parties to utilize telephone conferences to discuss or resolve many interlocutory matters that arise in inter partes cases. See the Official Gazette notice titled "Permanent Expansion of Telephone Conferencing on Interlocutory Matters in Inter
Partes Cases Before the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board," 1235 TMOG 68 (June 20, 2000). The notice is available at http://www.uspto.gov.

Interlocutory matters which the Board agrees to discuss or decide by phone conference may be decided adversely to any party which fails to participate.

If the parties to this proceeding are also parties to other Board proceedings involving related marks or, during the pendency of this proceeding, they become parties to such proceedings, they should notify the Board immediately, so that the Board can consider consolidation of proceedings.

New Developments at the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board TTAB forms for electronic filing of extensions of time to oppose, notices of opposition, and inter partes filings are now available at http://estta.uspto.gov. Images of TTAB proceeding files can be viewed using TTABVue at http://ttabvue.uspto.gov.


Basically, the "NPG" in NPGMC is off limits at the very least until August 2nd, 2007 - at which time testimony and discovery ends - that means if Prince fights this, it will B a LOOOOONG fight.


HM Publishing, NPG - filed 4 their trademark AFTER NPG Music Club, who first tried filing in 1993 - according to the trademark office. But if U look at the scope of the HM filing, it covers EVERYTHING that Prince basically sells - or might sell.

Word Mark NPG
Goods and Services IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: Media bearing sound and/or video and/or data and/or information; magnetic recordings; optical recordings; magneto-optical recordings; digital recordings; electronic books; electronic publications (downloadable) provided on-line from databases or the Internet; multi-media discs and publications; multi-media recordings; pre-recorded CD-ROMs, compact discs, laser-readable discs, video discs and publications, audio tape cassettes, video tape cassettes, floppy disks, sound recordings; digital video discs (DVD); computer software; computer software supplied from the Internet; computer programs; parts and fittings for all of the aforesaid goods
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Design Search Code
Serial Number 78826402
Filing Date March 1, 2006
Current Filing Basis 44D
Original Filing Basis 44D
Owner (APPLICANT) HM PUBLISHERS HOLDINGS LIMITED LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY UNITED KINGDOM HOUNDMILLS BASINGSTOKE ENGLAND RG21 6XS
Attorney of Record GARY J. PITZER
Priority Date September 2, 2005
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

Here they r trade marking every 4m of marketing:

Word Mark NPG
Goods and Services IC 035. US 100 101 102. G & S: The bringing together for the benefit of others, of a variety of goods, enabling customers to conveniently view and purchase those goods in a book store; the bringing together for the benefit of others, of a variety of goods, enabling customers to conveniently view and purchase those goods from a publications catalogue by mail order or by means of telecommunications
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Design Search Code
Serial Number 78826426
Filing Date March 1, 2006
Current Filing Basis 44D
Original Filing Basis 44D
Owner (APPLICANT) HM PUBLISHERS HOLDINGS LIMITED LTD LIAB CO UNITED KINGDOM HOUNDMILLS BASINGSTOKE ENGLAND RG21 6XS
Attorney of Record GARY J. PITZER
Priority Date September 2, 2005
Type of Mark SERVICE MARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

Here is another app. 4 trademark by HM Publishing that again, is filed AFTER the NPG, filing 4 everything under the sun.

Word Mark NPG
Goods and Services IC 016. US 002 005 022 023 029 037 038 050. G & S: Printed matter; printed publications; books; dictionaries; publications; magazines; newsletters; newspapers; periodicals; journals; catalogues; manuals; pamphlets; reference books; leaflets; posters; stationary; labels; instructional and teaching materials, apparatus and instruments; book covers; book marks; drawings; paintings; photographs; prints; pictures; parts and fittings for all of the aforesaid goods
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Design Search Code
Serial Number 78826415
Filing Date March 1, 2006
Current Filing Basis 44D
Original Filing Basis 44D
Owner (APPLICANT) HM PUBLISHERS HOLDINGS LIMITED LTD LIAB CO UNITED KINGDOM HOUNDMILLS BASINGSTOKE ENGLAND RG21 6XS
Attorney of Record GARY J. PITZER
Priority Date September 2, 2005
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

Here we have more:

Word Mark NPG
Goods and Services IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: Education services; entertainment services; publishing services; publication of books, magazines; electronic publishing; multi-media publishing; organizing and arranging of conferences
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Design Search Code
Serial Number 78826436
Filing Date March 1, 2006
Current Filing Basis 44D
Original Filing Basis 44D
Owner (APPLICANT) HM PUBLISHERS HOLDINGS LIMITED LTD LIAB CO UNITED KINGDOM HOUNDMILLS BASINGSTOKE ENGLAND RG21 6XS
Attorney of Record GARY J. PITZER
Priority Date September 2, 2005
Type of Mark SERVICE MARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE


NPG Records and the NPG Music Club reapplied 4 trademarks (Exhibit B & C above) in February 2005 with new counsel, all petitions started in 1993 were abandoned - I am thinking someone dropped the ball on that one BIG TIME.

These trademarks were filed 4 or by Prince in 1993 - but someone seriously dropped the ball. The NPG Music Club could have been registered as an addition to the NPG Records Label, as stated in the The Lanham Act; Title 15 of the U.S. Code, Section 15 USC 1052 (2d) if whoever was in charge had followed through on these TM apps.

Word Mark NPG RECORDS
Goods and Services (ABANDONED) IC 041. US 107. G & S: entertainment services; namely, providing a series of live theatrical performances featuring musical, dance, dramatic, and comedic presentations; film, video, and television production and distribution services; entertainment services; namely, live performances by a musical group
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Design Search Code
Serial Number 74458350
Filing Date November 15, 1993
Current Filing Basis 1B
Original Filing Basis 1B
Published for Opposition September 27, 1994
Owner (APPLICANT) Paisley Park Enterprises CORPORATION MINNESOTA 7801 Audubon Road Chanhassen MINNESOTA 55317
Attorney of Record Avis Frazier-Thomas
Disclaimer NO CLAIM IS MADE TO THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE "RECORDS" APART FROM THE MARK AS SHOWN
Type of Mark SERVICE MARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator DEAD
Abandonment Date December 21, 1995


Word Mark NPG RECORDS
Goods and Services (ABANDONED) IC 009. US 036. G & S: series of sound recordings; namely, phonograph records, pre-recorded compact discs, and videos featuring music and entertainment
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Design Search Code
Serial Number 74458349
Filing Date November 15, 1993
Current Filing Basis 1B
Original Filing Basis 1B
Published for Opposition September 20, 1994
Owner (APPLICANT) Paisley Park Enterprises CORPORATION MINNESOTA 7801 Audubon Road Chanhassen MINNESOTA 55317
Attorney of Record Avis Frazier-Thomas
Disclaimer NO CLAIM IS MADE TO THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE "RECORDS" APART FROM THE MARK AS SHOWN
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator DEAD
Abandonment Date December 28, 1995

ian said:

thank u synergy for all ur time, loyalty and information to the current topic.

you deserve a "thank you"...

i love you for who you are, not the one u feel u need to be.
My star shines bright ....even in the darkest night...

Tom said:

Synergy said:

electriclife said:

wonder505 said:

VenusDeMilo9999 said:

ian said:

VenusDeMilo9999 said:

Giovanni777 said:

sosgemini said:

VenusDeMilo9999 said:

I would gladly sign a petition claming I've been a NPG family member ever since Prince had a catalog, I may make matters worst if Prince has been using NPG illegically 4 that long, but I know this is causing my program and networking 2 shutdown, and hell i feel I'm just as important as those Nature bastards!

umm, whats causing your network and program to shutdown?
[Edited 7/9/06 7:56am]

I would think tha opposite if I saw a book published under NPG. I "wouldnt" think it was tha Nature group published it. I would think it was Published by Prince, and b really pissed off 2 find out it wasnt after I b done bought it!

CalhounSq said:

cinnamongirl24 said:

what guy would want to fuck with a smart woman anyway, especially when the smarter they are, the uglier/nerdier they are.

Oh my

VenusDeMilo9999 said:

sosgemini said:

umm, whats causing your network and program to shutdown?
[Edited 7/9/06 7:56am]

Tha lawsuite. I cant logg on, that's my program, and I lost all my connections, that's my network. dam did u really have 2 ask that question,lol and u knew what I was gonna say.

sosgemini said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Prince has been using NPG 4 along time and I know I was a member before websites. When we ordered all this stuff out of the NPG catalog.It's so hard 4 me 2 believe He didnt get tha trademaked, just unbelievable some1 can go and get one later and make him dropp it like it was hot. Dam first they take his name his dear mother gave him, now they take New Power Generation. Mother Fuckers.

People are reading too much into it. Let's wait and see what happens. Hopefully the next site Prince puts up will be more improved and exciting.

Edmonton, AB - - If you're happy and you know it your hands, if you're happy and you know it do a

tamaranow said:

VenusDeMilo9999 said:

Well from all the legal papers I have uncovered 2day, THIS IS NOT GOOD at ALL.

They have sued twice 2 make Prince stop using NPG RECORDS... and they keep suing over NPGMC. They will just keep doing it over and over.

ian said:

OMFG!!!!! You all are NOT going to beleive this, but I used to work for the law firm Tarolli, Sundheim & Covell, and that is not a lie. I really did during the late 80's early 90's. Damn, this is unbelievable in that Prince would lose due to a trademark fight and that the law firm involved was one where I was employed at one time. Unfuckingbelievable!!!!

Irish Diplomacy: The art of telling someone to go to hell, and having them look forward to the trip.

My give a damn is busted.

I didn't know Prince was so attached to the NPG. The first time I remember it being abbreviated and stylized was on the walls of the bedroom in the "Interactive" CD-ROM game -- when was that, 1993? I doubt Nature Publishing Group uses the same stylization for their NPG trademark. Anyway, hard to believe that people can own abbreviations when there are so few letters in the alphabet. I mean, look at how many businesses go by the name AAA or ABC just so they can have top billing in the phone book. Why couldn't Prince do what he did on the cover of the 1991 "Gett Off" 12-inch single and spell it out, making NPG larger than the rest of the letters? If Nature Publishing Group were smart, they'd wait until the NPG was a real threat to them and then sue Prince for possible lost monies. Not that I agree with that, but I don't understand why they're picking on him now.

I don't know... New Power Generation meant something much different back in '88 anyways. He probably should drop it. He's a creative guy. He can come up with something else. "Maybe God is tryin' to tell ya something!"

sosgemini said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

we think? change that--we know that he's an incompetent businessman. if he weren't, the majority of us definitely wouldn't be bitching about stuff he's done in the past.

all he had to say was that due to pending letigation all future prince corresponandance would be handled via 3121...


but nooooo....he had to close things down without any warning or explenation.

Perhaps people who are confused should check out the thread on the HQ. It seems less muddled than this thread!

Basically all it is is that the Nature Publishing Group want to stop Prince 'selling books' which they believe would infringe on their 'NPG' and possibly confuse people into believing princes NPG was in fact the Nature Publishing Group. Hence why he can still sell NPG music, clothes and gear. Any lawsuit against NPG Records would flop entirely I'm sure and I thought they'd pulled out of that one anyway.

As for why the site has closed down, well maybe he just decided to close it down after that and was thinking about a change anyway? Who knows! I doubt we'll fully find out I suppose.

laurarichardson said:

sosgemini said:

all he had to say was that due to pending letigation all future prince corresponandance would be handled via 3121...


but nooooo....he had to close things down without any warning or explenation.

----
Maybe he was advised to do so by his lawyers. You guys always find something to bitch about and seem to think that P does not have lawyers. Besides the notice said the shut down was temporary.

softandwet said:

The question for me is: since the npgmc has been around for years, why is this suit being filed now?

This is all very curious. On one hand, "New Power Generation" does sound really dated (and I've never been a fan of that name anyway); but on the other hand, why should Prince just give in to them when it's clear that he had been using that for several years before HM Publishing created their NPG division? Additionally, if people are stupid enough to buy a book without looking at it or reading the description of it (i.e. confusing the two NPGs) then that's on them. I can't imagine there's much of a cross-over market for Prince magazines/books and physical science journals.

But what I wanna know is when's the gotdayum tour and where will I be able to buy my pre-sale tixs (e.g. 3121.com or somewhere else)?

What is a trademark or a servicemark?

A trademark includes any word, name, symbol, or device, or any combination, used, or intended to be used, in commerce to identify and distinguish the goods of one manufacturer or seller from goods manufactured or sold by others, and to indicate the source of the goods. In short, a trademark is a brand name.
A service mark is simply a trademark used to refer to services rather than products. The term "trademark" is often used to refer to both service marks and trademarks for goods.


What are common law rights?

Federal registration is not required to establish rights in a trademark. Common law rights arise from actual use of a mark. Generally, the first to either use a mark in commerce or file an intent to use application with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office has the ultimate right to use and registration. However, there are many exceptions to this general rule.

Must a trademark be registered?

No. However, federal registration has several advantages including notice to the public of the registrant's claim of ownership of the mark, a legal presumption of ownership nationwide, and the exclusive right to use the mark on or in connection with the goods or services set forth in the registration.

Source: http://www.tarolli.com/faq.htm (the firm that is suing Prince)

Common Law Rights - Property or other legal rights that do not absolutely require formal registration in order to enforce them. Proving such rights for a trademark in court can be very difficult, requires meticulous documentation, and places a heavy burden on the individual. Active Federal registration of trademark can provide a higher degree of legal protection and readily-demonstrated evidence of ownership of a mark.

Source: http://www.uspto.gov/main/glossary/index.html#c


HERE ARE ALL THE MOTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED SO FAR:


TTABVUE. Trademark Trial and Appeal Board Inquiry System



Summary
Query: Party Name contains all words: PAISLEY PARK ENTERPRISES, INC.
Number of results: 4
Proceeding
Filing Date
Defendant(s),
Property(ies)
Plaintiff(s),
Property(ies)

91171672
07/03/2006
Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.
Mark: NPG MUSIC CLUB S#:78586515
Mark: NPG MUSIC CLUB S#:78586548

HM PUBLISHERS HOLDINGS LIMITED


78576551
01/30/2006
Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.
Mark: NPG RECORDS S#:78576551

HM Publishers Holdings Limited


78586548
01/30/2006
Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.
Mark: NPG MUSIC CLUB S#:78586548

HM PUBLISHERS HOLDINGS LIMITED


78586515
01/30/2006
Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.
Mark: NPG MUSIC CLUB S#:78586515

HM PUBLISHERS HOLDINGS LIMITED





Results as of 07/09/2006 12:30 PM





TTABVUE. Trademark Trial and Appeal Board Inquiry System




Extension of Time
Number: 78586515 Filing Date: 01/30/2006
Status: Terminated Status Date: 07/03/2006
Opposition #:
Defendant
Name: Paisley Park Enterprises, Inc.

Correspondence: DAVID G. SCHELZEL
BEST & FLANAGAN LLP
225 S 6TH ST STE 4000
MINNEAPOLIS, MN 55402-4690
Serial #: 78586515

Application Status: Opposition Pending
Mark: NPG MUSIC CLUB
Potential Opposer
Name: HM PUBLISHERS HOLDINGS LIMITED

Correspondence: GARY J PITZER
TAROLLI, SUNDHEIM, COVELL & TUMMINO LLP
1300 EAST NINTH STREETSUITE 1700
CLEVELAND, OH 44114
gpitzer@tarolli.com
Granted To Date: 07/02/2006
Prosecution History
# Date History Text
4
05/03/2006 EXTENSION OF TIME GRANTED

3
05/03/2006 INCOMING - EXT TIME TO OPPOSE FILED

2
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BEST & FLANAGAN LLP
225 S 6TH ST 4000
MINNEAPOLIS, MN 55402
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Defendant
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Correspondence: DAVID G. SCHELZEL
BEST & FLANAGAN LLP
225 S 6TH ST STE 4000
MINNEAPOLIS, MN 55402-4690
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jone70 said:

This is all very curious. On one hand, "New Power Generation" does sound really dated (and I've never been a fan of that name anyway); but on the other hand, why should Prince just give in to them when it's clear that he had been using that for several years before HM Publishing created their NPG division? Additionally, if people are stupid enough to buy a book without looking at it or reading the description of it (i.e. confusing the two NPGs) then that's on them. I can't imagine there's much of a cross-over market for Prince magazines/books and physical science journals.

But what I wanna know is when's the gotdayum tour and where will I be able to buy my pre-sale tixs (e.g. 3121.com or somewhere else)?

Synergy said:

jone70 said:

This is all very curious. On one hand, "New Power Generation" does sound really dated (and I've never been a fan of that name anyway); but on the other hand, why should Prince just give in to them when it's clear that he had been using that for several years before HM Publishing created their NPG division? Additionally, if people are stupid enough to buy a book without looking at it or reading the description of it (i.e. confusing the two NPGs) then that's on them. I can't imagine there's much of a cross-over market for Prince magazines/books and physical science journals.

But what I wanna know is when's the gotdayum tour and where will I be able to buy my pre-sale tixs (e.g. 3121.com or somewhere else)?

tour with what? The album was not produced under a "3121" label, it was produced under the label of "NPG RECORDS". He's supposed 2 do what exactly, tour with an album labeled with the letters that he cannot USE? Selling T-shirts and other crap with Initials 4 the club that he no longer has because he cant USE N-P-G on anything?

This affects ALL of Prince's ownership under NPG, if they win on the club, the record label will go next - because they, as the opposing counsel, will have set a precedent by winning a judgement in their favor with the club, Period. End of story.

Sell tickets 2 whom? Can't sell 'em 2 NPG members, because Nature's PG believes it is the only ONE that rights 2 hold conventions, get togethers under the initials of "NPG" or sell anything online under the umbrella of "NPG". There will b NO presale tickets, because the club can no longer operate - it can no longer sell anything via the internet, because Nature's PG believes that Prince's online NPG site will b confused with their Nature's brand,period.

Synergy said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

sosgemini said:

all he had to say was that due to pending letigation all future prince corresponandance would be handled via 3121...


but nooooo....he had to close things down without any warning or explenation.

e-fucking-xactly!

jone70 said:

Synergy said:

tour with what?

Umm, tour with a band that plays and sings music from his vast repetoire of songs.



Does Universal's involvement with 3121 make any difference (e.g. it wasn't solely an NPG release, but also Universal)?

Sell tickets 2 whom? Can't sell 'em 2 NPG members, because Nature's PG believes it is the only ONE that rights 2 hold conventions, get togethers under the initials of "NPG" or sell anything online under the umbrella of "NPG". There will b NO presale tickets, because the club can no longer operate - it can no longer sell anything via the internet, because Nature's PG believes that Prince's online NPG site will b confused with their Nature's brand,period.

Sell them to Prince fans, of course. (I doubt many Nature Publishing Group subscribers would want them ). Why can't "Paisley Park" start a "mailing list" which people could "sign up" for? Then those people who sign up could cross-referenced/checked against the membership records from NPGMC. (NPGMC still owns the information they collected from members of the club.) Now granted, this would very likely be somewhat chaotic since we all know how reliable the emails from NPGMC were... They can sell tickets through Ticketweb or something. The people on the "mailing list" could receive a unique code that would allow them to buy before non mailing list people at a "member" price. I'm just throwing out ideas--not sure of all the ligistics, but there's got to be a viable alternative; I guess it's just a matter of how much effort they (Paisley Park/Prince/NPGMC/whomever) would be willing to exert.

Terilicious said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

e-fucking-xactly!

Yeah. That seems simple enough to do. It would have been right to do so as well.
But then again if we're seen as outsiders or peons to his ROYAL MADNESTY ( a phrase that I coined) then I guess he didn't or doesn't feel the need to give us the heads up on what is strictly HIS business and NOT OURS.We just pay the money to fund his site, purchse his merchandise and attend his shows. WHy should he share anything with us?

sosgemini said:

you aint seriously trying to be rational, on this thread?

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

sosgemini said:

Terilicious said:

Yeah. That seems simple enough to do. It would have been right to do so as well.
But then again if we're seen as outsiders or peons to his ROYAL MADNESTY ( a phrase that I coined) then I guess he didn't or doesn't feel the need to give us the heads up on what is strictly HIS business and NOT OURS.We just pay the money to fund his site, purchse his merchandise and attend his shows. WHy should he share anything with us?

because in Pizzaro World...customers aint first.


[Edited 7/9/06 13:26pm]

radici27 said:

.....since my attention has been drawn here~allow B a moment 2 step on thru...

compassionate Synergy, truly U could not know how much hear & feel the passion U express on this as it seems U mayb tripping down a road this one knows all 2 well.....a great teacher told B once, "Everything is information, its all about how you attach yourself to it!"

...may B suggest U utilize your skills of research & indignation 2 reach out 2 the individuals within the (NPG) community that has been impacted rather than fruitlessly expend your precious benevolence on an individual who has YET 2 know the meaning of reciprocal action....

.....( will try my Best not 2 get personal) review his patterns of behavior N the past few years & perhaps recognize this is more of the same: litigation against fans who have the audacity 2 use his (name)symbol 2 set up websites devoted 2 support & expansion of his music/product/events/news N the wider world, establishing a website 2 sell 'product' 2 fans that they never receive or get refunded 4 (can any1 say 'Crystal Ball'), promote 2 NPGers preferential seating @ concerts-(any NPGers from the 3/2/02 soundcheck out there?)did Ticketmaster know? & any number of occasions U or any of the general public could know nothing about....


....speaking as 'shawdow 2 the sun' it has definately been painful (Spiritual) lessons that has garnered my discernment between Assistance & Enabling....let B assure U that this portion of the Madnesty ( Terilicious coined the phrase)is but a meager portion of the plethora of concerns on Prince's list having arrived 2 the season of 'reap what U sow'.....supporting him 2 continued N the same behavior WILL NOT promote the healing & growth so badly needed & guarantee expansion of the soul damage already incurred....

..... 4 one send petitions & energy 2 the universe 4 his healing, balance & growth that the Better man might emerge N the flesh & a new musical message may emanate from this one whom remember from B4 we were born

....snap, loveletter & scaredwarrior ~ hear ya'll 2 ~ without a doubt

yo Teri, thanks 4 telling B about this thread


B

theoriginalQueenB said:

.....since my attention has been drawn here~allow B a moment 2 step on thru...

compassionate Synergy, truly U could not know how much hear & feel the passion U express on this as it seems U mayb tripping down a road this one knows all 2 well.....a great teacher told B once, "Everything is information, its all about how you attach yourself to it!"

...may B suggest U utilize your skills of research & indignation 2 reach out 2 the individuals within the (NPG) community that has been impacted rather than fruitlessly expend your precious benevolence on an individual who has YET 2 know the meaning of reciprocal action....

.....( will try my Best not 2 get personal) review his patterns of behavior N the past few years & perhaps recognize this is more of the same: litigation against fans who have the audacity 2 use his (name)symbol 2 set up websites devoted 2 support & expansion of his music/product/events/news N the wider world, establishing a website 2 sell 'product' 2 fans that they never receive or get refunded 4 (can any1 say 'Crystal Ball'), promote 2 NPGers preferential seating @ concerts-(any NPGers from the 3/2/02 soundcheck out there?)did Ticketmaster know? & any number of occasions U or any of the general public could know nothing about....


....speaking as 'shawdow 2 the sun' it has definately been painful (Spiritual) lessons that has garnered my discernment between Assistance & Enabling....let B assure U that this portion of the Madnesty ( Terilicious coined the phrase)is but a meager portion of the plethora of concerns on Prince's list having arrived 2 the season of 'reap what U sow'.....supporting him 2 continued N the same behavior WILL NOT promote the healing & growth so badly needed & guarantee expansion of the soul damage already incurred....

..... 4 one send petitions & energy 2 the universe 4 his healing, balance & growth that the Better man might emerge N the flesh & a new musical message may emanate from this one whom remember from B4 we were born

....snap, loveletter & scaredwarrior ~ hear ya'll 2 ~ without a doubt

yo Teri, thanks 4 telling B about this thread


B

Shavanti said:

HORNS!!! Play!!!


TUFF SHIT!!!

sosgemini said:

sacredwarrior said:

theoriginalQueenB said:

.....since my attention has been drawn here~allow B a moment 2 step on thru...

compassionate Synergy, truly U could not know how much hear & feel the passion U express on this as it seems U mayb tripping down a road this one knows all 2 well.....a great teacher told B once, "Everything is information, its all about how you attach yourself to it!"

...may B suggest U utilize your skills of research & indignation 2 reach out 2 the individuals within the (NPG) community that has been impacted rather than fruitlessly expend your precious benevolence on an individual who has YET 2 know the meaning of reciprocal action....

.....( will try my Best not 2 get personal) review his patterns of behavior N the past few years & perhaps recognize this is more of the same: litigation against fans who have the audacity 2 use his (name)symbol 2 set up websites devoted 2 support & expansion of his music/product/events/news N the wider world, establishing a website 2 sell 'product' 2 fans that they never receive or get refunded 4 (can any1 say 'Crystal Ball'), promote 2 NPGers preferential seating @ concerts-(any NPGers from the 3/2/02 soundcheck out there?)did Ticketmaster know? & any number of occasions U or any of the general public could know nothing about....


....speaking as 'shawdow 2 the sun' it has definately been painful (Spiritual) lessons that has garnered my discernment between Assistance & Enabling....let B assure U that this portion of the Madnesty ( Terilicious coined the phrase)is but a meager portion of the plethora of concerns on Prince's list having arrived 2 the season of 'reap what U sow'.....supporting him 2 continued N the same behavior WILL NOT promote the healing & growth so badly needed & guarantee expansion of the soul damage already incurred....

..... 4 one send petitions & energy 2 the universe 4 his healing, balance & growth that the Better man might emerge N the flesh & a new musical message may emanate from this one whom remember from B4 we were born

....snap, loveletter & scaredwarrior ~ hear ya'll 2 ~ without a doubt

yo Teri, thanks 4 telling B about this thread


B

Hi QueenB,

Regarding Prince's " Healing "...

realistically - he's looking at having to UNDO every negative effect of fame

thats around 25 years worth...

every other time he has had the opportunity to do so

he has CHOSEN not to

as much as i believe in miracles

and as much as i wish for the same as you

i wont be holding my breath

now will i be 'waiting around' to see 'if he pulls through'



i have a damn fine life to live

and i learnt recently

not to think with the heart



all the compassion in the world aint gunna help that man

only he can

but can he - when he's "sitting in a prison cell surrounded by criminals" ?


we're talkin bout him goin to live in some remote hut somewhere and truly get engaged with what life is supposed to be about ...


if you can imagine Prince stripped of everything he has - and willingly relinquishing all of it...

then i guess he'll b ok... but i dont see it happening


the mental damage and psycholgical scars and heart wounds are way too deep.



but like i said - i do believe in miracles.



Realistically Pessimistic
and Constructively Impatient,


sacred.

This is a sign that Prince needs to get rid of that damned name, he's had it long enough...

B,

Why you always throwin' in my name? Didn't Morris and the Tenderlicious ordeal teach you anything!!!!
I got enough trouble here.


[Edited 7/9/06 15:55pm]

wonder505 said:

sacredwarrior said:

Hi QueenB,

Regarding Prince's " Healing "...

realistically - he's looking at having to UNDO every negative effect of fame

thats around 25 years worth...

every other time he has had the opportunity to do so

he has CHOSEN not to

as much as i believe in miracles

and as much as i wish for the same as you

i wont be holding my breath

now will i be 'waiting around' to see 'if he pulls through'



i have a damn fine life to live

and i learnt recently

not to think with the heart



all the compassion in the world aint gunna help that man

only he can

but can he - when he's "sitting in a prison cell surrounded by criminals" ?


we're talkin bout him goin to live in some remote hut somewhere and truly get engaged with what life is supposed to be about ...


if you can imagine Prince stripped of everything he has - and willingly relinquishing all of it...

then i guess he'll b ok... but i dont see it happening


the mental damage and psycholgical scars and heart wounds are way too deep.



but like i said - i do believe in miracles.



Realistically Pessimistic
and Constructively Impatient,


sacred.

With all due respect, what the fuck are you guys talking about????

HoneymoonXpress said:

Nevermind the money he has invested in NPG branding and the market he affects.

Synergy said:

Terilicious said:

wonder505 said:

With all due respect, what the fuck are you guys talking about????

Sounds like they're talking about a spiritual whoop ass.

Synergy said:

sacredwarrior said:

Terilicious said:

Sounds like they're talking about a spiritual whoop ass.

New

Power

Generation


in 2006

ya gotta be humble to use those words in a musical context

ya gotta leave money behind

ya gotta leave fame behind

ya gotta have a good firm grip on what those words actually mean

wonder505 said:

sacredwarrior said:

New

Power

Generation


in 2006

ya gotta be humble to use those words in a musical context

ya gotta leave money behind

ya gotta leave fame behind

ya gotta have a good firm grip on what those words actually mean

How do you know he doesn't?

if he did

he'd never have listened to a damn word any sleaze ass lawyer had to say

he'd never have let fanatics run his website

he'd never have ammassed more and more excessive wealth

he'd never have done so many things that 'fans' conveniently overlook because the facts challenge their sense of attachment and loyalty to him



once upon a time he knew the meaning of those words

those days are over

o p e n y o u r e y e s






and try not to get facts confused with 'judgement'


peace

sacredwarrior said:

wonder505 said:

How do you know he doesn't?

if he did

he'd never have listened to a damn word any sleaze ass lawyer had to say

Okay, he's a bad businessman, somebody dropped the ball, but he had invested a lot in NPG and I do believe he is still passionate about the music and what it stands for.

he'd never have let fanatics run his website
I agree with you there. That was out of control.

he'd never have ammassed more and more excessive wealth
What are you jealous? Don't be unrealistic. Prince is a celebrity and a superstar and celebrities and superstars are rich. If you have a problem with him being rich then you should have checked out 20 years ago. Why you are still here, I don't know. His wealth is none of your business and if it bothers you so much, then log off and don't support him anymore.

he'd never have done so many things that 'fans' conveniently overlook because the facts challenge their sense of attachment and loyalty to him.
Perhaps "fans" are like me and not you, he's a musician and I'm just along for the ride. I don't get caught up in all unnecessary stuff. I am here because I like his music, I buy his music and if I can afford his concerts I go. It's not like he committed a horrible crime.

once upon a time he knew the meaning of those words. All a matter of personal opinion.

those days are over

o p e n y o u r e y e s

I've openend my eyes to know Prince makes bad decision business wise, however unless I know a person and understand from their perspective why they did things, I'm not gonna get all up in their psyche and their minds and try to act like I know him personally to make that sort of judgement.

However I appreciate your opinion and this exchange and its good that we all have the power to express that here.

and try not to get facts confused with 'judgement'


peace


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sosgemini said:

Synergy said:

avah12 said:

I wonder if this explains why the gray NPGMC logo has disappeared from the blank website, leaving just a black void now.

Yes, it more than likely is the reason, because according 2 the above letter sent 2 the lawyers representing Prince and PPE, the "NPG" more than likely cannot b used until the very least August 2, 2007 - when all testimony and Discovery must b submitted. I seriously doubt that it would b that soon as they would have 2 await a judgement from the governing committee.

I am wondering, if "we" as the members of The "NPG" can throw some salt into Nature's game, in the 4m of a class action suit, if 4 nothing else, 2 tie their hands up as they have tied Prince's hands.

They have, by their lawsuit, infringed upon r memberships, causing undo stress 2 many members, loss of friendships, loss of access 2 music and merchandise and perks that as NPG members, we are entitled too.

I am serious, I don't expect it 2 go anywhere, but nothing will choke a lawsuit like another lawsuit? Get me... Prince/ has been calling fam NPG since the early 90's - we can claim that as a "community" HM is causing harm.

So, is this possible? Or am I just evil?

Oh and U're welcome on thanks 4 my research... Cool

Bearing in mind the comment on the other "NPGMC closes" thread about how
the website was bleeding money as Prince couldnt turn the NPGMC members into
regular customers effectively , it begs the question why was he even thinking
of selling books through the website when he couldnt sell all the other
gimmicky non-music stuff . Message to Prince : the only way you'll
effectively sell any books ( which most likely will be full of JW
propoganda anyway ) successfully through your website is if you provide a circular bookmark with them which , when inserted into CD players , plays some unreleased music on it , cos thats all that the vast majority of us are interested in purchasing from you , not candles , not jerseys , not perfume , just the music that attracted us to your kooky world in the first place .

theoriginalQueenB said:

.....since my attention has been drawn here~allow B a moment 2 step on thru...

compassionate Synergy, truly U could not know how much hear & feel the passion U express on this as it seems U mayb tripping down a road this one knows all 2 well.....a great teacher told B once, "Everything is information, its all about how you attach yourself to it!"

...may B suggest U utilize your skills of research & indignation 2 reach out 2 the individuals within the (NPG) community that has been impacted rather than fruitlessly expend your precious benevolence on an individual who has YET 2 know the meaning of reciprocal action....

.....( will try my Best not 2 get personal) review his patterns of behavior N the past few years & perhaps recognize this is more of the same: litigation against fans who have the audacity 2 use his (name)symbol 2 set up websites devoted 2 support & expansion of his music/product/events/news N the wider world, establishing a website 2 sell 'product' 2 fans that they never receive or get refunded 4 (can any1 say 'Crystal Ball'), promote 2 NPGers preferential seating @ concerts-(any NPGers from the 3/2/02 soundcheck out there?)did Ticketmaster know? & any number of occasions U or any of the general public could know nothing about....


....speaking as 'shawdow 2 the sun' it has definately been painful (Spiritual) lessons that has garnered my discernment between Assistance & Enabling....let B assure U that this portion of the Madnesty ( Terilicious coined the phrase)is but a meager portion of the plethora of concerns on Prince's list having arrived 2 the season of 'reap what U sow'.....supporting him 2 continued N the same behavior WILL NOT promote the healing & growth so badly needed & guarantee expansion of the soul damage already incurred....

..... 4 one send petitions & energy 2 the universe 4 his healing, balance & growth that the Better man might emerge N the flesh & a new musical message may emanate from this one whom remember from B4 we were born

....snap, loveletter & scaredwarrior ~ hear ya'll 2 ~ without a doubt

yo Teri, thanks 4 telling B about this thread


B

Watchman said:

theoriginalQueenB said:

.....since my attention has been drawn here~allow B a moment 2 step on thru...

compassionate Synergy, truly U could not know how much hear & feel the passion U express on this as it seems U mayb tripping down a road this one knows all 2 well.....a great teacher told B once, "Everything is information, its all about how you attach yourself to it!"

...may B suggest U utilize your skills of research & indignation 2 reach out 2 the individuals within the (NPG) community that has been impacted rather than fruitlessly expend your precious benevolence on an individual who has YET 2 know the meaning of reciprocal action....

.....( will try my Best not 2 get personal) review his patterns of behavior N the past few years & perhaps recognize this is more of the same: litigation against fans who have the audacity 2 use his (name)symbol 2 set up websites devoted 2 support & expansion of his music/product/events/news N the wider world, establishing a website 2 sell 'product' 2 fans that they never receive or get refunded 4 (can any1 say 'Crystal Ball'), promote 2 NPGers preferential seating @ concerts-(any NPGers from the 3/2/02 soundcheck out there?)did Ticketmaster know? & any number of occasions U or any of the general public could know nothing about....


....speaking as 'shawdow 2 the sun' it has definately been painful (Spiritual) lessons that has garnered my discernment between Assistance & Enabling....let B assure U that this portion of the Madnesty ( Terilicious coined the phrase)is but a meager portion of the plethora of concerns on Prince's list having arrived 2 the season of 'reap what U sow'.....supporting him 2 continued N the same behavior WILL NOT promote the healing & growth so badly needed & guarantee expansion of the soul damage already incurred....

..... 4 one send petitions & energy 2 the universe 4 his healing, balance & growth that the Better man might emerge N the flesh & a new musical message may emanate from this one whom remember from B4 we were born

....snap, loveletter & scaredwarrior ~ hear ya'll 2 ~ without a doubt

yo Teri, thanks 4 telling B about this thread


B

The outWord ripple affectINg
the + sign wav's resip proCreating
liv2luv & luv2liv
then drink again, B
He saved the best 4 Last

OMG...this thread is getting more bizarre by the hour.

sacredwarrior said:

wonder505 said:

How do you know he doesn't?

if he did

he'd never have listened to a damn word any sleaze ass lawyer had to say

he'd never have let fanatics run his website

he'd never have ammassed more and more excessive wealth

he'd never have done so many things that 'fans' conveniently overlook because the facts challenge their sense of attachment and loyalty to him



once upon a time he knew the meaning of those words

those days are over

o p e n y o u r e y e s






and try not to get facts confused with 'judgement'


peace

How come after Prince played "I feel for you" on the BET awards 06 I almost lost my mind because I thought they were going straight into controversy!!!!!
[Edited 7/9/06 19:14pm]

Watchman said:

theoriginalQueenB said:

.....since my attention has been drawn here~allow B a moment 2 step on thru...

compassionate Synergy, truly U could not know how much hear & feel the passion U express on this as it seems U mayb tripping down a road this one knows all 2 well.....a great teacher told B once, "Everything is information, its all about how you attach yourself to it!"

...may B suggest U utilize your skills of research & indignation 2 reach out 2 the individuals within the (NPG) community that has been impacted rather than fruitlessly expend your precious benevolence on an individual who has YET 2 know the meaning of reciprocal action....

.....( will try my Best not 2 get personal) review his patterns of behavior N the past few years & perhaps recognize this is more of the same: litigation against fans who have the audacity 2 use his (name)symbol 2 set up websites devoted 2 support & expansion of his music/product/events/news N the wider world, establishing a website 2 sell 'product' 2 fans that they never receive or get refunded 4 (can any1 say 'Crystal Ball'), promote 2 NPGers preferential seating @ concerts-(any NPGers from the 3/2/02 soundcheck out there?)did Ticketmaster know? & any number of occasions U or any of the general public could know nothing about....


....speaking as 'shawdow 2 the sun' it has definately been painful (Spiritual) lessons that has garnered my discernment between Assistance & Enabling....let B assure U that this portion of the Madnesty ( Terilicious coined the phrase)is but a meager portion of the plethora of concerns on Prince's list having arrived 2 the season of 'reap what U sow'.....supporting him 2 continued N the same behavior WILL NOT promote the healing & growth so badly needed & guarantee expansion of the soul damage already incurred....

..... 4 one send petitions & energy 2 the universe 4 his healing, balance & growth that the Better man might emerge N the flesh & a new musical message may emanate from this one whom remember from B4 we were born

....snap, loveletter & scaredwarrior ~ hear ya'll 2 ~ without a doubt

yo Teri, thanks 4 telling B about this thread


B

The outWord ripple affectINg
the + sign wav's resip proCreating
liv2luv & luv2liv
then drink again, B
He saved the best 4 Last

This is when I hate Prince fans. Seriously, what the FUCK does that mean? Nothing worse than a Prince fam who tries to be deep by creating his own lame Princely poetic ramblings.

saw u in the stream of CONsciousness n the rainbow spoke 2 me
a dream neverending like the tears n ur s
could u b GOD 2 me as am 2 the stars n c?

It's just annoying.

Look at this ironic post from the first thread "NPGMC NO MORE!!!"

CinisterCee said:

Babes, it's not like NPG Ltd. has been written off.

So what would be a good name for the New Club?

How about the TFS MUSIC CLUB..... True Funk Soliders Music Club.....TFSMC
no 3121
no more NPG.. Jus' True Funk Soliders.....Unite!!!!
[Edited 7/9/06 20:42pm]

PurpleKnight said:

Watchman said:

The outWord ripple affectINg
the + sign wav's resip proCreating
liv2luv & luv2liv
then drink again, B
He saved the best 4 Last

This is when I hate Prince fans. Seriously, what the FUCK does that mean? Nothing worse than a Prince fam who tries to be deep by creating his own lame Princely poetic ramblings.

saw u in the stream of CONsciousness n the rainbow spoke 2 me
a dream neverending like the tears n ur s
could u b GOD 2 me as am 2 the stars n c?

It's just annoying.

funkydiva said:

RockNRoll said:

funkydiva said:

So what would be a good name for the New Club?

How about TNPSC. The New Power Sheep Club


Okay OKay, I just had to

softandwet said:

You know Prince; he will prevail as he always does

Fauxie said:

sacredwarrior said:

if he did

he'd never have listened to a damn word any sleaze ass lawyer had to say

he'd never have let fanatics run his website

he'd never have ammassed more and more excessive wealth

he'd never have done so many things that 'fans' conveniently overlook because the facts challenge their sense of attachment and loyalty to him



once upon a time he knew the meaning of those words

those days are over

o p e n y o u r e y e s






and try not to get facts confused with 'judgement'


peace

w o w !

every stylised post a work of art

u n t i l y o u r e a d t h e m

funkydiva said:

sosgemini said:

theoriginalQueenB said:

.....since my attention has been drawn here~allow B a moment 2 step on thru...

compassionate Synergy, truly U could not know how much hear & feel the passion U express on this as it seems U mayb tripping down a road this one knows all 2 well.....a great teacher told B once, "Everything is information, its all about how you attach yourself to it!"

...may B suggest U utilize your skills of research & indignation 2 reach out 2 the individuals within the (NPG) community that has been impacted rather than fruitlessly expend your precious benevolence on an individual who has YET 2 know the meaning of reciprocal action....

.....( will try my Best not 2 get personal) review his patterns of behavior N the past few years & perhaps recognize this is more of the same: litigation against fans who have the audacity 2 use his (name)symbol 2 set up websites devoted 2 support & expansion of his music/product/events/news N the wider world, establishing a website 2 sell 'product' 2 fans that they never receive or get refunded 4 (can any1 say 'Crystal Ball'), promote 2 NPGers preferential seating @ concerts-(any NPGers from the 3/2/02 soundcheck out there?)did Ticketmaster know? & any number of occasions U or any of the general public could know nothing about....


....speaking as 'shawdow 2 the sun' it has definately been painful (Spiritual) lessons that has garnered my discernment between Assistance & Enabling....let B assure U that this portion of the Madnesty ( Terilicious coined the phrase)is but a meager portion of the plethora of concerns on Prince's list having arrived 2 the season of 'reap what U sow'.....supporting him 2 continued N the same behavior WILL NOT promote the healing & growth so badly needed & guarantee expansion of the soul damage already incurred....

..... 4 one send petitions & energy 2 the universe 4 his healing, balance & growth that the Better man might emerge N the flesh & a new musical message may emanate from this one whom remember from B4 we were born

....snap, loveletter & scaredwarrior ~ hear ya'll 2 ~ without a doubt

yo Teri, thanks 4 telling B about this thread


B

ZsaZsaZsu said:

Snap said:

wonder505 said:

I'm not gonna read all these but apparently it's cryptic muthafucka time on the Org

So that whole "cos of the webby awards we want to revamp" e-mail was complete and utter bullshit...

how about just once he tells us the truth.. remember that song??? after all.. it is our money that he is playing with...

how about.. "we are having some issues.. and appreicate your support and patience during this time.. the site may be back up under a different name yada yada yada...

not making us think they are doing us a favor.. 2 much deception.. brings about what comes around when you constantly fuck up.. and he does.

thanx for letting me vent.. im so pissed off.. feel used and abused.. but hey.. if im gonna stay a prince fam.. i better get used to that eh?

Man it's so obvious what Prince should do (isn't it?).

a) Use this as an opportunity to "retire" the tired NPG moniker (it became tired around the mid 90s)*

b) The music club was 95% about Prince's music (with some "friends") so what is so wrong with having the "PrinceMusicClub"?

c) Use this as an opportunity to finally give Prince (and us) the online presence he really deserves...open The Vault!

* I am sure there is $$$ worth of unsold merchandise with the NPGMC logos on it so this might be something he has to swallow destroying?

Maybe he should have spoken to Vince McMahon...


( WWF for years, a trademark for the World Wrestling Federation, millions of dollars in merchandise, prominently featured on various broadcasts in millions of homes, is contested by the World Wildlife Fund.

The WWF then becomes WWE, with an emphasis on "E"ntertainment, and the money machine rolls on.)

Some people tell me I've got great legs...

PurpleKnight said:

Watchman said:

The outWord ripple affectINg
the + sign wav's resip proCreating
liv2luv & luv2liv
then drink again, B
He saved the best 4 Last

This is when I hate Prince fans. Seriously, what the FUCK does that mean? Nothing worse than a Prince fam who tries to be deep by creating his own lame Princely poetic ramblings.

saw u in the stream of CONsciousness n the rainbow spoke 2 me
a dream neverending like the tears n ur s
could u b GOD 2 me as am 2 the stars n c?

It's just annoying.

Alasseon said:

thats funny, cos when I type in www.wwf.com it comes up with a search engine type website, and nothing at all to do with the WWF or the WWE. Telling porkies are we? Or did you end up selling to a weird search engine! I'd be glad if you did, the thought of taking thousands off of a charity doesn't appeal to me!

funkydiva said:

softandwet said:

So can I get a load of free books now that I am a lifetime member of the NPG? I'm going to basingstoke.....

PurpleKnight said:

This is when I hate Prince fans. Seriously, what the FUCK does that mean? Nothing worse than a Prince fam who tries to be deep by creating his own lame Princely poetic ramblings.

saw u in the stream of CONsciousness n the rainbow spoke 2 me
a dream neverending like the tears n ur s
could u b GOD 2 me as am 2 the stars n c?

It's just annoying.

MamaLisa said:

Synergy said:

theoriginalQueenB said:

.....since my attention has been drawn here~allow B a moment 2 step on thru...

compassionate Synergy, truly U could not know how much hear & feel the passion U express on this as it seems U mayb tripping down a road this one knows all 2 well.....a great teacher told B once, "Everything is information, its all about how you attach yourself to it!"

...may B suggest U utilize your skills of research & indignation 2 reach out 2 the individuals within the (NPG) community that has been impacted rather than fruitlessly expend your precious benevolence on an individual who has YET 2 know the meaning of reciprocal action....

.....( will try my Best not 2 get personal) review his patterns of behavior N the past few years & perhaps recognize this is more of the same: litigation against fans who have the audacity 2 use his (name)symbol 2 set up websites devoted 2 support & expansion of his music/product/events/news N the wider world, establishing a website 2 sell 'product' 2 fans that they never receive or get refunded 4 (can any1 say 'Crystal Ball'), promote 2 NPGers preferential seating @ concerts-(any NPGers from the 3/2/02 soundcheck out there?)did Ticketmaster know? & any number of occasions U or any of the general public could know nothing about....


....speaking as 'shawdow 2 the sun' it has definately been painful (Spiritual) lessons that has garnered my discernment between Assistance & Enabling....let B assure U that this portion of the Madnesty ( Terilicious coined the phrase)is but a meager portion of the plethora of concerns on Prince's list having arrived 2 the season of 'reap what U sow'.....supporting him 2 continued N the same behavior WILL NOT promote the healing & growth so badly needed & guarantee expansion of the soul damage already incurred....

..... 4 one send petitions & energy 2 the universe 4 his healing, balance & growth that the Better man might emerge N the flesh & a new musical message may emanate from this one whom remember from B4 we were born

....snap, loveletter & scaredwarrior ~ hear ya'll 2 ~ without a doubt

yo Teri, thanks 4 telling B about this thread


B

First, my time and energy is spent serving r radio station and the artists that we feature there on a daily basis. Second, Emancipation Radio stands 4 freedom 4 all ppl, including Prince's right 2 use the "NPG" - which patent was filed 4 b4 the other company and there4 governed under "Common Law".

I haven't played Dr. Suess in a while, so U will excuse me if I am of the mind that U'r reply - while in appearance seems directed at me - r words meant 4 someone else's ears.

Again, we have through The Holy River and Emancipation Radio been seeing 2 all the NPGMC members that have come 2 us hurt.We have been working on overdrive since the closing of the club.

And, while I am grateful U recognize my passion in helping others, I must leave U rest assured that I help all my fellow NPGMC members, my friends, family, loved ones that come 2 me in need - no one is discluded.

R meetups have been wonderful and fun; something I missed... and it will only get better - that will bring a healing 2 some... We have posted links here 4 an "NPGMC Meet" up 2 b held on every Monday, Thursday and Saturday and we have broadcasted many shows 4 the NPG MC Members 2 get them through this time. We r doing r part.

2 me, we r a community - a family - if confusion reigns then we have all failed one another, haven't we? It's better that the truth of the situation b out there and clear - AND that is what I am doing here.

Lastly, life is 2 short 2 spend it thinking about the past wrongs of anyone, U 4give and move on. It lightens U'r soul and keeps U freer and happier... the past is the past, it's better left there. I was a part of all the things U mentioned, the failed delivery of CB - 1800NewFunk - L4OA - I know... But THIS, is an entirely different matter.

MamaLisa said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Blue

wonder505 said:

PurpleCharm said:

Giovanni777 said:

Personal crises can fuel creativity, but mundane legal crises, and unitelligent ignorant criticism can stump it.

In terms of all the catty banter on here about him getting what was coming 2 him, and "OH... he should have told us what was really hapenening", and "couldn't he have given us more notice"...

Y'all R some serious backstabbers. I dedicate the classic O'Jays song 2 U.

If Prince would take my advice on just one thing, I'd tell him 2 stay clear away from the internet. I mean, criticism and opinions R both natural and acceptable, but an artist needs not 2 be reading this kind, if they wish 2 be an open channel 4 creativity.

I thought Synergy's idea was brilliant... it may not need 2 be implemented, but at least there's thought there, instead of whining.

... double PEACE 2 WONDER505 4 the above comment.

Peace.

ALSO... Prince may see this as a sign 4 change. Therefore, he was being honest in saying it was time 2 move on. If U have the perspective that everything happens 4 a reason, then this is more than just a problem or a fight... it's a sign. I was personally tired of NPG anyway.

G.
[Edited 7/9/06 6:00am]
[Edited 7/9/06 6:03am]

Synergy said:

Everytime you get some, people wanna take it back!!!!!

I'm sure Prince has enough fight in him to crush this pathetic claim to his trading rights. Have faith, because this will not stop him. It can't be easy when you are that talented, there's ALWAYS someone lurking behind you wanting to take credit.

If that was your father, tell me would you dogg him then?

How ironic. Isn't karma a bi...

I hate bureaucracy. HATE IT! I used to be big on trademarking things, copyrighting, and all of that, but as you see, there is so much bulls**t that goes down....I hate greed, I hate the shady behaviors, etc....people just need to get along and "do the work" and let others "do the work" without being so damn picky about everything.

NPGMC, I hope that you make it through this tribulation. The enemy is always trying to keep a good man down.

Lord have mercy!

welp....I just found out about the club closing today.... I will admit, I'm bummed out, shocked and left wondering but...hey what are ya gonna do? I actually hope he doesn't tour this year....I hate to think of going through ticketmaster again...ugh! Oh well, we'll have to wait and see what's the next thing to come I guess.

one man has toured giving us the gift of song and dance for over 28 years this man has lost a wife a baby both of his parents and still tours making and giving us a happy day with his music. I hope u realize how great and how much a gift to us he really is . never miss a good thing till its gone. and these people attacking him need to get a life. leave him alone . what more can he give us. he deserves every penny he has ever made.tell these npg wanna b's to back up get a drink sit down and come up with your own name.the man works hard as hell and makes its look easy but any educated person knows it takes hard work and practice to make it look easy.

tymechaser said:

tymechaser said:

sosgemini said:

tymechaser said:

one man has toured giving us the gift of song and dance for over 28 years this man has lost a wife a baby both of his parents and still tours making and giving us a happy day with his music. I hope u realize how great and how much a gift to us he really is . never miss a good thing till its gone. and these people attacking him need to get a life. leave him alone . what more can he give us. he deserves every penny he has ever made.tell these npg wanna b's to back up get a drink sit down and come up with your own name.the man works hard as hell and makes its look easy but any educated person knows it takes hard work and practice to make it look easy.

any educated person should also understand that the key to any relationship (busines or personal) is communication.

tymechaser said:

I just skimmed through this thread and Synergy your hearts in the right place but I wouldn't spend too much free time trying to solve this problem for P. Thanks for posting the info though.

Ian- good point. I'm not attached to NPG name either so I could care less what he calls his club. I just want first crack at good concert tickets and music that won't see the light of day via a record store.


The rest ya' complainers and those posting what you think is prophetic poetic prose who only come out of the woodwork when something happens (good or bad) please go back to posting or trolling where ever you were prior to the 4th of July weekend. And shut the p.org gate behind you.


Thanks, oh and

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Snap said:

Yea, lets all file a class lawsuit. Let's file a class lawsuit who a anal retentive guy for years has been handing out cease and desist letters to fans pathetically trying to bully any person who had his pseudo new age symbol. Even going as far to stop people on geocities free sites. Wait let me ask my legal counsel what they think of this idea. Let's help a guy who has stiffed businesses from here to timbuktu on not receiving payment and just being a 100 percento el flako. Sounds like a good idea to me....BUT before we engage in this expedition. Let me ask my trusted Legal Consultation.

What say you, Legal Counsel?










The legal counsel has spoken. They don't seem enthused. Either that or they are heavily sedated on Ludes and Sizzurp. Now if you excuse me I have to cackle really loud like the sound of thunder at this turn of events.

wonder505 said:

Thought y;all might like to hear this lil true story...



A 'friend' of mine was recently put in a maximum security remand prison for driving without a license - which he had done repeatedly.


The 'system' finally got fed up with him and threw him in the slammer for 10 weeks with murderers and rapists.


He spent the first two weeks of his sentence in a holding cell at the police station. He slept on the floor, received no fresh air or excercise, ate microwaved TV dinner-type food, was not allowed any visitors and wasnt allowed to make any phonecalls.. for two weeks.


I put a call through to the police station - told em I was in politics - and suggested they get my 'friend' out of the holding cell because his rights were being violated and I'm sure they wouldnt want any media heat over it.


The next morning he was sent to maximum security remand.


Now before he even had his court hearing - which he thought would turn out with him getting 'community service' or something mild like that - he told me..


" Well they're either gonna give me community service or throw me in the slammer for at least 8 weeks. I don't think they'll be that harsh.


I'm not a bad person. I've committed no horrible crime. I'm just stupid. "


I laughed and said..


" Darling Heart - you are far from stupid. In fact - you are a highly intelligent man. I've seen it with my own eyes.


What you are - is deliberately defiant. You think you can break the rules and get away with it "


He had nothing to say to that and just smiled.


I said " You know, when the Law comes a callin and says ' yo u need to wake the fuck up or their will be serious consequences'....THEY'RE NOT JOKING. "


Anyway, he was sentenced to 10 weeks hard time - for what he didnt think was a horrible crime.


Not so. I witnessed the horrible crime with my own eyes.


His children watched while their father went to prison.


His wife fell apart.


So did I.


His business shut down.


I had told him that I wouldnt dessert him - but upon second thought - I quit working with him.


His deliberate defiance - born of arrogance and egomania - led to events that ripped my heart out - ripped his family's heart out - and ripped out the heart of his business.


I now consider him a dangerous man.


A highly intelligent deliberately defiant arrogant egomaniac.


He had betrayed my trust. He had betrayed my friendship.


And this betrayal took place the second he got behind the wheel of his car without considering how his actions would affect others.


That is the crime. To presume to be so isolated from everyone else, to be superior to the law, to disregard his children and his wife, and selfishly get behind the wheel of his car just to go the fucking post office.


At first I felt sorry for him and thought about all the horrible ways he had been treated as a child and I blamed his parents for his adult behaviour.


Silly. As an adult who has had every opportunity to smell the really fucking strong coffee - he always CHOSE not to.


My last words to him were ..


"Only way I could ever work with you again is if you upgrade the quality of your soul"




Arrogance is probabaly one of the biggest crimes on this planet.

It is the cause of all wars, poverty, disease, famine, social injustice, sexism, every crime you think of - is in some way born from Arrogance in the Human Soul.

So to those of you who feel hurt by what has happened here - you have every right to.

It's time for arrogant little fuckers to face the Music and learn their lesson.






btw. my 'friend' was a very short really good guitarist.

umm someone help me out cause i sure don't understand all this, to compare shutting down a web site to committing a crime makes no sense to me.
i'm sorry am not trying to be rude, but i don't get the correlation? i think, like many have said, maybe just some business mistakes happened and after learning from those, things might come back bigger and better. who is to say he will loose the law suit anyway.

goodness,there just seems to be a lot of mental anguish over a web site.
(scratches head) maybe i just dunno what you are feeling? i have too many things in the world to worry/pray about than something as trivial as this. maybe that is my problem? humm... (sarcasm 101)

anyway,like i said before, i am already happy with 3121.com,as is, with it's drama-less little self.

take care everyone!
Jill(must go back to lurk status soon!)
[Edited 7/11/06 1:09am]

P.S. I don't really need anyone to explain.

take care all,
Jill

oh, www.one.org

I am so confused Are you saying that Prince has never been allowed to use the term NPG? It took this long for it to come out!?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I am so confused Are you saying that Prince has never been allowed to use the term NPG? It took this long for it to come out!?

sacredwarrior said:

some crazy parable was here

Ifsixwuz9 said:

I just skimmed through this thread and Synergy your hearts in the right place but I wouldn't spend too much free time trying to solve this problem for P. Thanks for posting the info though.

Ian- good point. I'm not attached to NPG name either so I could care less what he calls his club. I just want first crack at good concert tickets and music that won't see the light of day via a record store.


The rest ya' complainers and those posting what you think is prophetic poetic prose who only come out of the woodwork when something happens (good or bad) please go back to posting or trolling where ever you were prior to the 4th of July weekend. And shut the p.org gate behind you.


Thanks, oh and

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jone70 said:

sacredwarrior said:

some crazy parable was here

Please, just back slowly away from the keyboard before we all hurt ourselves from the pain of trying to dechiper what the fuck you're talking about...

Ifsixwuz9 said:

I just skimmed through this thread and Synergy your hearts in the right place but I wouldn't spend too much free time trying to solve this problem for P. Thanks for posting the info though.

Ian- good point. I'm not attached to NPG name either so I could care less what he calls his club. I just want first crack at good concert tickets and music that won't see the light of day via a record store.


The rest ya' complainers and those posting what you think is prophetic poetic prose who only come out of the woodwork when something happens (good or bad) please go back to posting or trolling where ever you were prior to the 4th of July weekend. And shut the p.org gate behind you.


Thanks, oh and

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Ifsixwuz9 said:

I just skimmed through this thread and Synergy your hearts in the right place but I wouldn't spend too much free time trying to solve this problem for P. Thanks for posting the info though.

Ian- good point. I'm not attached to NPG name either so I could care less what he calls his club. I just want first crack at good concert tickets and music that won't see the light of day via a record store.


The rest ya' complainers and those posting what you think is prophetic poetic prose who only come out of the woodwork when something happens (good or bad) please go back to posting or trolling where ever you were prior to the 4th of July weekend. And shut the p.org gate behind you.

Thanks, oh and

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[Edited 7/10/06 14:18pm]

this world attacks what it does not understand
still doesn't make it right

Watchman said:

What?

I don't get a super fantastic cryptic reply?

Nobody likes me...

Watchman said:

sacredwarrior -> I think you got issues.Bigtime.

To cancel a friendship because of driving without license and to call a person doing that "a dangerous man" is pretty ****ed up in my point of view.

With friends like that, who needs enemies...

Geez.

beatz01 said:

When I read what Sacredwarrior wrote, I go this out of it...and I GET it, as I CAN relate to it! Thanx for posting.
*****

" Darling Heart - you are far from stupid. In fact - you are a highly intelligent man. I've seen it with my own eyes.

What you are - is deliberately defiant. You think you can break the rules and get away with it "

I said " You know, when the Law comes a callin and says ' yo u need to wake the fuck up or their will be serious consequences'....THEY'RE NOT JOKING. "

His business shut down.

I quit working with him.

His deliberate defiance - born of arrogance and egomania - led to events that ripped my heart out - ripped his family's heart out - and ripped out the heart of his business.

A highly intelligent deliberately defiant arrogant egomaniac.

And this betrayal without considering how his actions would affect others.

Shavanti said:

Terilicious said:

What?

I don't get a super fantastic cryptic reply?

Nobody likes me...