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Printable version (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)Sowhat said: mochalox said: .....i don't think anyone's questioning his musical genius. The problem comes when some people want him be the person he could be if he were 'boundary-free.' He's not anymore and some folx blame the JW.
This is the problem right here. What everyone else wants him to be. It's up to Prince and Prince alone to decide what religion to follow or not, what kind of lyrics to use or not, what kind of music to make or not, where to live, how to live, etc..... People act like Prince is some kind of possession that they own. "He should be this, he should be that, he should do this, he should do that". It's Prince's life...PERIOD! If you don't like an album he makes, don't buy it. If you don't like the songs he sings in concert or that he's changed some lyrics, don't go to the concert. If you don't like him preaching his beliefs to you, don't listen, don't buy, don't go. It's a free country. WOOOOORD!!!!! i feel ya. Kirk: "KHAAANNNN! KHAAANNNN!" | |
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MightBQueen said: XxAxX said: that's my point. 'what's true' is a matter of personal opinion, experience, spiritual background and definition. i think people resist the JWs doctrine because they would prefer not to be disturbed in the privacy of their homes and on the street by JWs who want to tell them why they're wrong for following their own beliefs the JWs do not follow a 'live and let live' philosophy at all. at the very heart of their doctrine is the push to convert others to their way of thinking. hence the term 'witnesses' naturally, those who adhere to different belief systems will resist, and maybe even 'gripe' as you put it. just my 3c. and now - i'm off to work. have a great friday! to quote Jesus: Matthew 28:19-20 - Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things. this should, thus, be at the heart of CHRISTIAN doctrine, in general, as these are Jesus' words... so, was Jesus pushy?  according to christian doctrine he was not. but what does the torah says? the koran? did buddha knock on doors? and for the followers of those messiahs why yes, jesus was pushy!  | |
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bigonez said: Sowhat said: This is the problem right here. What everyone else wants him to be. It's up to Prince and Prince alone to decide what religion to follow or not, what kind of lyrics to use or not, what kind of music to make or not, where to live, how to live, etc..... People act like Prince is some kind of possession that they own. "He should be this, he should be that, he should do this, he should do that". It's Prince's life...PERIOD! If you don't like an album he makes, don't buy it. If you don't like the songs he sings in concert or that he's changed some lyrics, don't go to the concert. If you don't like him preaching his beliefs to you, don't listen, don't buy, don't go. It's a free country. WOOOOORD!!!!! i feel ya. But its a different philosophy...he used to say "freedom" and be/say/think what u want. Now he's implying that its a good thing that people are trying to censor & clean up the airwaves. Some of that stuff that is supposely obscene was a direct rip off of Prince and anytime things are cenosored our civil liberities are in trouble. Ahhh....it's a philosophical thing... Whatever. Nero | |
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XxAxX said: MightBQueen said: to quote Jesus: Matthew 28:19-20 - Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things. this should, thus, be at the heart of CHRISTIAN doctrine, in general, as these are Jesus' words... so, was Jesus pushy? according to christian doctrine he was not. but what does the torah says? the koran? did buddha knock on doors? and for the followers of those messiahs why yes, jesus was pushy! XxAxX, You say, "according to christian doctrine he was not." Not, what? Im a little lost. Many Christmas' ago, I went to buy a doll for my son. I reached for the last one they had, but so did another man. As I rained blows upon him, I realized there had to be another way. | |
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ekalb101 said: XxAxX said: according to christian doctrine he was not. but what does the torah says? the koran? did buddha knock on doors? and for the followers of those messiahs why yes, jesus was pushy! XxAxX, You say, "according to christian doctrine he was not." Not, what? Im a little lost. he was not 'pushy', as MightbQueen asks, above. many non-christian religions do not focus on converting others - esPECially to the degree that the jehovah's witnesses focus on converting others - is my point. | |
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XxAxX said: ekalb101 said: XxAxX, You say, "according to christian doctrine he was not." Not, what? Im a little lost. he was not 'pushy', as MightbQueen asks, above. many non-christian religions do not focus on converting others - esPECially to the degree that the jehovah's witnesses focus on converting others - is my point. you think so? that may be true for a modern culture like ours but this pope has made huge efforts in converting people from third worlds into catholicism (sic?). And i see just as many of them cute white boys with white button up half-sleeve shirts (damn thats a fashion dont) on bikes preaching to the poor....Anyone know what religion those boys are spreading? ive also seen an increase of christian and catholic churches bussing people into church..anyone seen these? they buy an ole school bus and paint it "christian youth of blah blah blah)..then they pull up to a large poor apartment complex and try to pull as many people into going to church...its a very interesting thing to witnes... Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. | |
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its up to prince which religion he chooses to follow. but i do not like being preached to
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at the npgmc? really? thats not right...
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XxAxX said: MightBQueen said: there is a lot of griping on this thread & all over the org, and you know that. even if it's not you, personally, who has done it. it's easier to point out the false than talk about the true... at least, in one's own opinion. that's my point. 'what's true' is a matter of personal opinion, experience, spiritual background and definition. i think people resist the JWs doctrine because they would prefer not to be disturbed in the privacy of their homes and on the street by JWs who want to tell them why they're wrong for following their own beliefs the JWs do not follow a 'live and let live' philosophy at all. at the very heart of their doctrine is the push to convert others to their way of thinking. hence the term 'witnesses' naturally, those who adhere to different belief systems will resist, and maybe even 'gripe' as you put it. just my 3c. and now - i'm off to work. have a great friday! i guess that's another difference between us. JWs believe that what's true as regards religion is in the bible, nowhere else. | |
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sosgemini said: at the npgmc? really? thats not right...
its funny...as much as i am considered to have a "bias" opinion when prince first started preaching about being a witness i was one of the largest objectioners.....i even screamed something out during one of the shows.....i had a conversation about it with my grandmama (who is a witness) and she even agreed prince's preaching was inappropriate... but ive seen him at a couple shows since and he has mellowed with the rhetoric and seems to be bringing up god/jehovah in a much more inclusive fashion now...no? actually that happens alot, when people first learn all the truths from the bible, they are so eager to share it with everyone that they tend to come off as a little, um, inappropriate, in their manner of teaching. i heard of one witness who, when he was learning about the bible, actually threatened his wife to make her study with him. well, when the one who was studying with this certain one heard about it he explained that it wasn't right to do things like that, and the man changed. (not violent anymore) incidentally, his wife is now one of JWs as well, b/c she was impressed at all the changes he had made for the better, all b/c he studied the bible with JWs. | |
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fantasyislander said: sosgemini said: at the npgmc? really? thats not right...
its funny...as much as i am considered to have a "bias" opinion when prince first started preaching about being a witness i was one of the largest objectioners.....i even screamed something out during one of the shows.....i had a conversation about it with my grandmama (who is a witness) and she even agreed prince's preaching was inappropriate... but ive seen him at a couple shows since and he has mellowed with the rhetoric and seems to be bringing up god/jehovah in a much more inclusive fashion now...no? actually that happens alot, when people first learn all the truths from the bible, they are so eager to share it with everyone that they tend to come off as a little, um, inappropriate, in their manner of teaching. i heard of one witness who, when he was learning about the bible, actually threatened his wife to make her study with him. well, when the one who was studying with this certain one heard about it he explained that it wasn't right to do things like that, and the man changed. (not violent anymore) incidentally, his wife is now one of JWs as well, b/c she was impressed at all the changes he had made for the better, all b/c he studied the bible with JWs. Whats your name baby? Fantasyland? Oh I'm sorry, Fantasyislander... Man, that was a scary little anecdote nero | |
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I can tell you now that if Prince found Satanism, his music would improve dramatically. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: I can tell you now that if Prince found Satanism, his music would improve dramatically.
Ah man, we're gonna catch hell.... BUT I TOTALLY AGREE! nero | |
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neronava said: EvilWhiteMale said: I can tell you now that if Prince found Satanism, his music would improve dramatically.
Ah man, we're gonna catch hell.... BUT I TOTALLY AGREE! nero And it has nothing to do with rituals or anything else like that, but the general belief system would free him up to be more uncensored and interesting, not to mention maybe giving a darker edge to his music. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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neronava said: EvilWhiteMale said: I can tell you now that if Prince found Satanism, his music would improve dramatically.
Ah man, we're gonna catch hell.... BUT I TOTALLY AGREE! nero but as satanists, you want to catch hell, don't ya?  Welcome to the New World Odor and
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Prince is human just like everybody else.
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HiinEnkelte said: neronava said: Ah man, we're gonna catch hell.... BUT I TOTALLY AGREE! nero but as satanists, you want to catch hell, don't ya? Satanists don't believe in hell. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: Satanists don't believe in hell. What do Satanists believe in? . [This message was edited Sat May 22 23:40:09 2004 by Universaluv] | |
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Universaluv said: What do Satanists believe in?
Start with these: http://www.churchofsatan....ments.html "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: Universaluv said: What do Satanists believe in?
Start with these: http://www.churchofsatan....ments.html Oh those statements again. Well, whatever works for ya. | |
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Universaluv said: Oh those statements again.
Well, whatever works for ya. Seems it works for the general population, only most won't admit to it. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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fantasyislander said: XxAxX said: that's my point. 'what's true' is a matter of personal opinion, experience, spiritual background and definition. i think people resist the JWs doctrine because they would prefer not to be disturbed in the privacy of their homes and on the street by JWs who want to tell them why they're wrong for following their own beliefs the JWs do not follow a 'live and let live' philosophy at all. at the very heart of their doctrine is the push to convert others to their way of thinking. hence the term 'witnesses' naturally, those who adhere to different belief systems will resist, and maybe even 'gripe' as you put it. just my 3c. and now - i'm off to work. have a great friday! i guess that's another difference between us. JWs believe that what's true as regards religion is in the bible, nowhere else. i know. but there are millions of non-christian people in the world, did you know? | |
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sosgemini said: XxAxX said: he was not 'pushy', as MightbQueen asks, above. many non-christian religions do not focus on converting others - esPECially to the degree that the jehovah's witnesses focus on converting others - is my point. you think so? that may be true for a modern culture like ours but this pope has made huge efforts in converting people from third worlds into catholicism (sic?). And i see just as many of them cute white boys with white button up half-sleeve shirts (damn thats a fashion dont) on bikes preaching to the poor....Anyone know what religion those boys are spreading? ive also seen an increase of christian and catholic churches bussing people into church..anyone seen these? they buy an ole school bus and paint it "christian youth of blah blah blah)..then they pull up to a large poor apartment complex and try to pull as many people into going to church...its a very interesting thing to witnes... yes, most religious sects include missionary work as part of their doctrine. BUT not many go knocking on the doors of strangers, uninvited, to do so. the witnesses stand out of the crowd for this behavior. | |
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rainbowchild said: Do you think Prince will ever leave the Jehovah's Witnesses??
No | |
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It doesn't matter how many of these critical threads are created.
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Mr7 said: It doesn't matter how many of these critical threads are created.
The fact is, the over 6 and a half million baptised Jehovah's Witnesses all around the world will continue with their door-to-door ministry and continue to praise Jehovah. Jehovah's Witnesses are experiencing increased growth year on year. On average, 5,000 new one's are baptised worldwide each week. The persecution and the criticism fail. Some of the posters who are commenting on this thread have been on this site for years. However, Jehovah's Witnesses remain. Undaunted and unfaded. Peace Mr7 The truth is that its a shrinking and very insignificant cult of people with way too much free time on their hands So you can bet when Prince gets busy again - - - | |
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LarrytheGOD said: Mr7 said: It doesn't matter how many of these critical threads are created.
The fact is, the over 6 and a half million baptised Jehovah's Witnesses all around the world will continue with their door-to-door ministry and continue to praise Jehovah. Jehovah's Witnesses are experiencing increased growth year on year. On average, 5,000 new one's are baptised worldwide each week. The persecution and the criticism fail. Some of the posters who are commenting on this thread have been on this site for years. However, Jehovah's Witnesses remain. Undaunted and unfaded. Peace Mr7 The truth is that its a shrinking and very insignificant cult of people with way too much free time on their hands So you can bet when Prince gets busy again - - - It is amazing how people can look in the face of facts and refuse to see it. There is a witness baptized on the average ...one every 2 minutes...but so what? And Prince is busier than he has ever been. What are U talking about? So...how's everybody doing? | |
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Prince will do what Prince wants to do...
So...how's everybody doing? | |
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LarrytheGOD said: Mr7 said: It doesn't matter how many of these critical threads are created.
The fact is, the over 6 and a half million baptised Jehovah's Witnesses all around the world will continue with their door-to-door ministry and continue to praise Jehovah. Jehovah's Witnesses are experiencing increased growth year on year. On average, 5,000 new one's are baptised worldwide each week. The persecution and the criticism fail. Some of the posters who are commenting on this thread have been on this site for years. However, Jehovah's Witnesses remain. Undaunted and unfaded. Peace Mr7 The truth is that its a shrinking and very insignificant cult of people with way too much free time on their hands So you can bet when Prince gets busy again - - - a shrinking cult? i'm sorry, didn't you see the numbers above? how in the world can it shrink when 5,000 are baptized worldwide each week? i guess when i do the math that means it's growing, but maybe you see it as something different . . . . | |
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