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Are any of you people so called "fans"??? Because I see so much hate towards Prince! He was a musical genius BEFORE he was a JW, he's a STILL is, and he will ALWAYS be a musical genius. I mean I see more threads on this site about what's WRONG with Prince than appreciation for his music and talent. You know what....you people confuse me. Kirk: "KHAAANNNN! KHAAANNNN!" | |
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bigonez said: Are any of you people so called "fans"??? Because I see so much hate towards Prince! He was a musical genius BEFORE he was a JW, he's a STILL is, and he will ALWAYS be a musical genius. I mean I see more threads on this site about what's WRONG with Prince than appreciation for his music and talent. You know what....you people confuse me.
i don't think anyone's questioning his musical genius. The problem comes when some people want him be the person he could be if he were 'boundary-free.' He's not anymore and some folx blame the JW. "Pedro offers you his protection." | |
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mochalox said: bigonez said: Are any of you people so called "fans"??? Because I see so much hate towards Prince! He was a musical genius BEFORE he was a JW, he's a STILL is, and he will ALWAYS be a musical genius. I mean I see more threads on this site about what's WRONG with Prince than appreciation for his music and talent. You know what....you people confuse me.
i don't think anyone's questioning his musical genius. The problem comes when some people want him be the person he could be if he were 'boundary-free.' He's not anymore and some folx blame the JW. ----- not that long ago he was a vegan( possiblly still is) and married to mayte, shit happens and things change and he will, just let him get on wit it! You know ,if i want to listen to a machine id just go put my clothes in it!  P '98 | |
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rainbowchild said: How long has he been a witness anyway??
I really doubt if Prince will convert to JW longterm. This is one of the most strict religions there is and Prince has a huge ego that will eventually rub the JW's the wrong way, be it the way he performs, dresses, talks or whatever. At some point he will pass a threshold and JW's are so controlling and Prince like's to control others but does not like being controlled, it's definitely in the cards for him to either leave or get booted out. MJ left because he just didn't want to be bothered by them anymore and he knew they wouldn't leave his freaky ass alone. Already, Prince is getting away from his conservative style and dressing femininely again. He's conflicted like all the great rockers are, Little Richard, Elvis, Jerry Lee always had that great divide between the sacred and the profane that was too genuine to be an act. Crazy Injun' Music here:
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squirrelgrease said: I don't care what religion a bitch follows, as long as they keep their cakehole shut when they get the itch to preach to non-believers. Do all of Prince's songs have to have a fuckin' Bible reference now?
I agree with this comment. But personally, I wish he would. I'm glad he got God in his life cuz I do, but I'm not too keen on JWs | |
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bigonez said: Are any of you people so called "fans"??? Because I see so much hate towards Prince! He was a musical genius BEFORE he was a JW, he's a STILL is, and he will ALWAYS be a musical genius. I mean I see more threads on this site about what's WRONG with Prince than appreciation for his music and talent. You know what....you people confuse me.
naw, we don't hate him. he was the one who closed the doors in our faces. remember? there's only the one one 'truth' 1+1+1=3 ain't no room to disagree. which naturally caused some serious hurt/angry discussion amongst the japanese/jewish/hindu/mainstream christian sector of fans, yes real life-long fans and supporters, as to whether that meant he thinks their faith is all wrong? isn't the truth? wasn't valid? and if some stranger, even him, should barge into their lives on a sunday when they're privately at home, relaxing and celebrating their buddhist holy holiday, and after having accomplished this enormous rudeness the stranger oh so politely tells them they're wrong about their beliefs they should be GLAD?? turns out, it's so. not only that, but those buddhists/jews/muslims who don't answer the door, or who open it but don't listen to the 'truth' (1914?) quite the right way - why god will turn them away. as a matter of fact there's a second class and a first class in heaven, did you know? we do here on the ORG, now. 144,000 or some such number. what you see here ain't hate. it's. .. loneliness and disappointment crying out for reassurance. we want to know prince doesn't reallly believe we're all doomed JWs abstaining from politics? jesus was a political activist!@!!! remember? and jesus died to save us all. 144,000? no life-saving blood transfusion after being hit by the car of a drunk driver? really? mr. once upon a time lovesexy man? so it ain't hate. we just. .. miss him. ps: wrong forum? nevermind [This message was edited Thu May 20 17:46:50 2004 by XxAxX]  | |
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as a matter of fact there's a second class and a first class in heaven, did you know? we do here on the ORG, now. 144,000 or some such number.
I'm no JW, but at least get your facts right. What they actually believe is that 144,000 chosen ppl here on earth have a strong desire to live forever up in heaven, while the rest prefer it in their hearts to live in a perfect world here on earth. So the belief is that when the supposed day of Armageddon comes, those 144,000 will be angels in heaven and the rest of the good hearted ppl will live forever happily in a perfect version of this world. It's not really a class thing, it isn't meant to be interpreted that way. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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XxAxX said: bigonez said: Are any of you people so called "fans"??? Because I see so much hate towards Prince! He was a musical genius BEFORE he was a JW, he's a STILL is, and he will ALWAYS be a musical genius. I mean I see more threads on this site about what's WRONG with Prince than appreciation for his music and talent. You know what....you people confuse me.
naw, we don't hate him. he was the one who closed the doors in our faces. remember? there's only the one one 'truth' 1+1+1=3 ain't no room to disagree. which naturally caused some serious hurt/angry discussion amongst the japanese/jewish/hindu/mainstream christian sector of fans, yes real life-long fans and supporters, as to whether that meant he thinks their faith is all wrong? isn't the truth? wasn't valid? and if some stranger, even him, should barge into their lives on a sunday when they're privately at home, relaxing and celebrating their buddhist holy holiday, and after having accomplished this enormous rudeness the stranger oh so politely tells them they're wrong about their beliefs they should be GLAD?? turns out, it's so. I always tell this story but I got kicked out at one of the Celebrations (Rainbow CHildren one) because I said in the little mock bible study-"I'm athiest, and I like Prince's music...respect my beliefs. PLease stop handing my watchtowers, and your dogma...I didn't bring Nietzasche's The Anti-Christ for you to read because I respect everyones beliefs..." I was booed by the Prince sheep, and they took away my VIP pass the next day I tried to come in. Fuckers! Nero ps. I still love Prince....but I hate the way his people responded to me, and I have my own thoughts on "religious" people. not only that, but those buddhists/jews/muslims who don't answer the door, or who open it but don't listen to the 'truth' (1914?) quite the right way - why god will turn them away. as a matter of fact there's a second class and a first class in heaven, did you know? we do here on the ORG, now. 144,000 or some such number. what you see here ain't hate. it's. .. loneliness and disappointment crying out for reassurance. we want to know prince doesn't reallly believe we're all doomed JWs abstaining from politics? jesus was a political activist!@!!! remember? and jesus died to save us all. 144,000? no life-saving blood transfusion after being hit by the car of a drunk driver? really? mr. once upon a time lovesexy man? so it ain't hate. we just. .. miss him. ps: wrong forum? nevermind [This message was edited Thu May 20 17:46:50 2004 by XxAxX] | |
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PurpleKnight said: What they actually believe is that 144,000 chosen ppl here on earth have a strong desire to live forever up in heaven, while the rest prefer it in their hearts to live in a perfect world here on earth.
So the belief is that when the supposed day of Armageddon comes, those 144,000 will be angels in heaven and the rest of the good hearted ppl will live forever happily in a perfect version of this world. It's not really a class thing, it isn't meant to be interpreted that way.[/color] Nah it's just elitist and exclusionary | |
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PrimordialOoze said: PurpleKnight said: What they actually believe is that 144,000 chosen ppl here on earth have a strong desire to live forever up in heaven, while the rest prefer it in their hearts to live in a perfect world here on earth.
So the belief is that when the supposed day of Armageddon comes, those 144,000 will be angels in heaven and the rest of the good hearted ppl will live forever happily in a perfect version of this world. It's not really a class thing, it isn't meant to be interpreted that way.[/color] Nah it's just elitist and exclusionary He still got the facts wrong, plain and simple. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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PrimordialOoze said: PurpleKnight said: What they actually believe is that 144,000 chosen ppl here on earth have a strong desire to live forever up in heaven, while the rest prefer it in their hearts to live in a perfect world here on earth.
So the belief is that when the supposed day of Armageddon comes, those 144,000 will be angels in heaven and the rest of the good hearted ppl will live forever happily in a perfect version of this world. It's not really a class thing, it isn't meant to be interpreted that way.[/color] Nah it's just elitist and exclusionary I always tell this story but I got kicked out at one of the Celebrations (Rainbow CHildren one) because I said in the little mock bible study-"I'm athiest, and I like Prince's music...respect my beliefs. PLease stop handing my watchtowers, and your dogma...I didn't bring Nietzasche's The Anti-Christ for you to read because I respect everyones beliefs..." I was booed by the Prince sheep, and they took away my VIP pass the next day I tried to come in. Fuckers! Nero ps. I still love Prince....but I hate the way his people responded to me, and I have my own thoughts on "religious" people. | |
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neronava --- I would like to provide some comments below to your statements:
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Jesus said it best:
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Mr7 said: Jesus said it best:
'Love your neighbor' I have researched all of the worlds major (and not so major) religions and this is a precept of all of them. Before people here start critcising Jehovah's Witnesses, they should examine themselves. Look in the mirror. Peace Mr7 ya know, antony (i mean, mr7  ), people don't always realize that the hater hurts him/herself worse than the hated...
life should be about what you love - not what you hate. i personally don't understand this kind of ragging and griping - it's like babble from another planet, in another language.  | |
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keepinitreal said: [color=orange:36dc772a29]neronava --- I would like to provide some comments below to your statements:[/color]
[color=blue:36dc772a29]Statement #1 naw, we don't hate him. he was the one who closed the doors in our faces. remember? there's only the one one 'truth'. 1+1+1=3 ain't no room to disagree. which naturally caused some serious hurt/angry discussion amongst the japanese/jewish/hindu/mainstream christian sector of fans, yes real life-long fans and supporters, as to whether that meant he thinks their faith is all wrong? isn't the truth? wasn't valid? and if some stranger, even him, should barge into their lives on a sunday when they're privately at home, relaxing and celebrating their buddhist holy holiday, and after having accomplished this enormous rudeness the stranger oh so politely tells them they're wrong about their beliefs they should be GLAD??[/color] [color=orange:36dc772a29]Comment #1 Out of love and faith Witnesses of Jehovah, who are Christians, go door to door and preach God's good news as commanded by Jesus. Matthew 28:19 -"Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit. If anyone is not interested in having bible discussions Witnesses of Jehovah politely leave. And when bible discussions are held they are in a respectful and non-judgmental manner.[/color] [color=blue:36dc772a29]Statement #2 I always tell this story but I got kicked out at one of the Celebrations (Rainbow CHildren one) because I said in the little mock bible study-"I'm athiest, and I like Prince's music...respect my beliefs. PLease stop handing my watchtowers, and your dogma...I didn't bring Nietzasche's The Anti-Christ for you to read because I respect everyones beliefs..." I was booed by the Prince sheep, and they took away my VIP pass the next day I tried to come in. ps. I still love Prince....but I hate the way his people responded to me, and I have my own thoughts on "religious" people.[/color] [color=orange:36dc772a29]Comment #2 I also attended The Rainbow Children celebration and participated in two TRC listening session discussions, which were both attended by Prince and filmed. The discussion group contained people of various beliefs including an Atheist. The discussions regarding the bible and TRC were positive and everyone was openly discussing their beliefs and no Witness of Jehovah materials were distributed. I am sorry you had a bad experience. However, Paisley Park is one of Prince's homes/business locations and visitors are his guests. Any guest that did not want to participate in the discussions were free to leave.[/color] [color=blue:36dc772a29]Statement #3 not only that, but those buddhists/jews/muslims who don't answer the door, or who open it but don't listen to the 'truth' (1914?) quite the right way - why god will turn them away. as a matter of fact there's a second class and a first class in heaven, did you know? we do here on the ORG, now. 144,000 or some such number. what you see here ain't hate. it's. .. loneliness and disappointment crying out for reassurance. we want to know prince doesn't reallly believe we're all doomed [/color] [color=orange:36dc772a29]Comment #3 Witnesses of Jehovah are Christians and therefore believe the bible is Gods word and Jesus Christ is the ransom sacrifice for our sins and the only path to everlasting life. Acts 4:12 - Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved." Your reference to the 144,000 can be clarified if you read Revelation 14:1 - "And I saw, and look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. This scripture references the people that will be Kings and Priests ruling in Gods Kingdom with Jesus. And the scriptures also reference a great crowd that will live through the tribulation and never see death at all. Then of course there are people that have died and will be resurrected back to the earth during Jesus Christ reign. John 5:25 - "Most truly I say to you, the hours is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who have given heed will live." The scriptures show there are different ways in which people participate in Gods Kingdom. The scriptures do not reflect this as a "class" structure.[/color] [color=blue:36dc772a29]Statement #4 JWs abstaining from politics? jesus was a political activist!@!!! remember?[/color] [color=orange:36dc772a29]Comment #4 According to the scriptures Jesus did not participate in worldly politics. John 17:16 -"They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world. and John 6:15 - "Therefore, Jesus, knowing they were about to come and seize him to make him king, withdrew again into the mountain all alone." [/color] [color=blue:36dc772a29]Statement #5 and jesus died to save us all. 144,000?[/color] [color=orange:36dc772a29]Comment #5 Please see my comment #3; As I noted before according to the scriptures Jesus is the only path to salvation and everlasting life. However, based on the current understanding of the scriptures reflect that everyone who obtains salvation does not go to heaven. As to who is going where...only Jehovah knows.[/color] [color=blue:36dc772a29]Statement #6 no life-saving blood transfusion after being hit by the car of a drunk driver? really?[/color] [color=orange:36dc772a29]Comment #6 Acts 15:29 - "to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!" Abstaining from blood is based on the scriptures. The medical industry has Blood substitutes available, which are used. There have been numerous medical advances and many Witnesses of Jehovah have recovered more quickly by not taking blood and using substitutes. There is a very informative video on this which you can obtain from any hall in your area.[/color] [color=blue:36dc772a29]Statement #7 mr. once upon a time lovesexy man? so it ain't hate. we just. .. miss him.[/color] [color=orange:36dc772a29]Comment #7 Each person has to take his or her own spiritual journey and grow and learn. The fact that Prince has chosen his spiritual path...if you miss "him"...he hasn't gone anywhere. [/color] [color=orange:36dc772a29]So I hope you take a moment to review my comments. If you have any scriptures or feedback please let me know. I just wanted to provide clarification on the points so there is not any inaccurate information or stereotypes as to the Witnesses of Jehovah. Feel free to also send me an ORG Note if you have any questions or comments. Just KeepinItReal  [/color]ummmmm those were MY comments and i stand by them. your quotation of biblical scripture above only serves to prove my point that the jews, muslims, hindu and buddhists of the world are excluded by the doctrine prince now follows. in the end - god bless prince for finding happiness and a path that he's proud to follow. i'm happy to see him at peace. | |
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MightBQueen said: Mr7 said: Jesus said it best:
'Love your neighbor' I have researched all of the worlds major (and not so major) religions and this is a precept of all of them. Before people here start critcising Jehovah's Witnesses, they should examine themselves. Look in the mirror. Peace Mr7 ya know, antony (i mean, mr7 ), people don't always realize that the hater hurts him/herself worse than the hated...
life should be about what you love - not what you hate. i personally don't understand this kind of ragging and griping - it's like babble from another planet, in another language. no. this is the problem the 'idol' thread has run into in the P&R forum. just because someone comments on and questions doctrine of a faith DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE HATING ON IT. do you understand? just because people ask questions and openly disagree with, for example, the blood transfusion issue - DOES NOT EQUAL HATING. i did not make disparaging remarks above - i have not 'hated'. i have expressed my point of view in the same way that a witness would express his/hers to a non-believer. WHY is it ok for JWs to go door to door and tell people they are wrong about their beliefs, but not okay for me to say what i feel on this message board? double standard. | |
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XxAxX said: MightBQueen said: ya know, antony (i mean, mr7 ), people don't always realize that the hater hurts him/herself worse than the hated...
life should be about what you love - not what you hate. i personally don't understand this kind of ragging and griping - it's like babble from another planet, in another language. no. this is the problem the 'idol' thread has run into in the P&R forum. just because someone comments on and questions doctrine of a faith DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE HATING ON IT. do you understand? just because people ask questions and openly disagree with, for example, the blood transfusion issue - DOES NOT EQUAL HATING. i did not make disparaging remarks above - i have not 'hated'. i have expressed my point of view in the same way that a witness would express his/hers to a non-believer. WHY is it ok for JWs to go door to door and tell people they are wrong about their beliefs, but not okay for me to say what i feel on this message board? double standard. there is a lot of griping on this thread & all over the org, and you know that. even if it's not you, personally, who has done it. it's easier to point out the false than talk about the true... at least, in one's own opinion. | |
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MightBQueen said: XxAxX said: no. this is the problem the 'idol' thread has run into in the P&R forum. just because someone comments on and questions doctrine of a faith DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE HATING ON IT. do you understand? just because people ask questions and openly disagree with, for example, the blood transfusion issue - DOES NOT EQUAL HATING. i did not make disparaging remarks above - i have not 'hated'. i have expressed my point of view in the same way that a witness would express his/hers to a non-believer. WHY is it ok for JWs to go door to door and tell people they are wrong about their beliefs, but not okay for me to say what i feel on this message board? double standard. there is a lot of griping on this thread & all over the org, and you know that. even if it's not you, personally, who has done it. it's easier to point out the false than talk about the true... at least, in one's own opinion. that's my point. 'what's true' is a matter of personal opinion, experience, spiritual background and definition. i think people resist the JWs doctrine because they would prefer not to be disturbed in the privacy of their homes and on the street by JWs who want to tell them why they're wrong for following their own beliefs the JWs do not follow a 'live and let live' philosophy at all. at the very heart of their doctrine is the push to convert others to their way of thinking. hence the term 'witnesses' naturally, those who adhere to different belief systems will resist, and maybe even 'gripe' as you put it. just my 3c. and now - i'm off to work. have a great friday! | |
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XxAxX said: MightBQueen said: there is a lot of griping on this thread & all over the org, and you know that. even if it's not you, personally, who has done it. it's easier to point out the false than talk about the true... at least, in one's own opinion. that's my point. 'what's true' is a matter of personal opinion, experience, spiritual background and definition. i think people resist the JWs doctrine because they would prefer not to be disturbed in the privacy of their homes and on the street by JWs who want to tell them why they're wrong for following their own beliefs the JWs do not follow a 'live and let live' philosophy at all. at the very heart of their doctrine is the push to convert others to their way of thinking. hence the term 'witnesses' naturally, those who adhere to different belief systems will resist, and maybe even 'gripe' as you put it. just my 3c. and now - i'm off to work. have a great friday! to quote Jesus: Matthew 28:19-20 - Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things. this should, thus, be at the heart of CHRISTIAN doctrine, in general, as these are Jesus' words... so, was Jesus pushy? | |
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Do adulterers like Prince get to reside in Jehovah's Kingdom then? - Just wondering. "Don't hate the Black, don't hate the White. If you get bitten, just hate the bite." | |
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Marrk said: Do adulterers like Prince get to reside in Jehovah's Kingdom then? - Just wondering.
is he currently an adulterer? | |
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MightBQueen said: Marrk said: Do adulterers like Prince get to reside in Jehovah's Kingdom then? - Just wondering.
is he currently an adulterer? Are you serious? What's 'currently' got to do with anything? what if he did to Mani what he did to Mayte, what then? "Don't hate the Black, don't hate the White. If you get bitten, just hate the bite." | |
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Marrk said: MightBQueen said: is he currently an adulterer? Are you serious? What's 'currently' got to do with anything? what if he did to Mani what he did to Mayte, what then? what ever happened to forgiveness of sins? can't people change? | |
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keepinitreal said: [color=orange:36dc772a29]neronava --- I would like to provide some comments below to your statements:[/color]
[color=blue:36dc772a29]Statement #1 naw, we don't hate him. he was the one who closed the doors in our faces. remember? there's only the one one 'truth'. 1+1+1=3 ain't no room to disagree. which naturally caused some serious hurt/angry discussion amongst the japanese/jewish/hindu/mainstream christian sector of fans, yes real life-long fans and supporters, as to whether that meant he thinks their faith is all wrong? isn't the truth? wasn't valid? and if some stranger, even him, should barge into their lives on a sunday when they're privately at home, relaxing and celebrating their buddhist holy holiday, and after having accomplished this enormous rudeness the stranger oh so politely tells them they're wrong about their beliefs they should be GLAD??[/color] [color=orange:36dc772a29]Comment #1 Out of love and faith Witnesses of Jehovah, who are Christians, go door to door and preach God's good news as commanded by Jesus. Matthew 28:19 -"Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit. If anyone is not interested in having bible discussions Witnesses of Jehovah politely leave. And when bible discussions are held they are in a respectful and non-judgmental manner.[/color] [color=blue:36dc772a29]Statement #2 I always tell this story but I got kicked out at one of the Celebrations (Rainbow CHildren one) because I said in the little mock bible study-"I'm athiest, and I like Prince's music...respect my beliefs. PLease stop handing my watchtowers, and your dogma...I didn't bring Nietzasche's The Anti-Christ for you to read because I respect everyones beliefs..." I was booed by the Prince sheep, and they took away my VIP pass the next day I tried to come in. ps. I still love Prince....but I hate the way his people responded to me, and I have my own thoughts on "religious" people.[/color] [color=orange:36dc772a29]Comment #2 I also attended The Rainbow Children celebration and participated in two TRC listening session discussions, which were both attended by Prince and filmed. The discussion group contained people of various beliefs including an Atheist. The discussions regarding the bible and TRC were positive and everyone was openly discussing their beliefs and no Witness of Jehovah materials were distributed. I am sorry you had a bad experience. However, Paisley Park is one of Prince's homes/business locations and visitors are his guests. Any guest that did not want to participate in the discussions were free to leave.[/color] [color=blue:36dc772a29]Statement #3 not only that, but those buddhists/jews/muslims who don't answer the door, or who open it but don't listen to the 'truth' (1914?) quite the right way - why god will turn them away. as a matter of fact there's a second class and a first class in heaven, did you know? we do here on the ORG, now. 144,000 or some such number. what you see here ain't hate. it's. .. loneliness and disappointment crying out for reassurance. we want to know prince doesn't reallly believe we're all doomed [/color] [color=orange:36dc772a29]Comment #3 Witnesses of Jehovah are Christians and therefore believe the bible is Gods word and Jesus Christ is the ransom sacrifice for our sins and the only path to everlasting life. Acts 4:12 - Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved." Your reference to the 144,000 can be clarified if you read Revelation 14:1 - "And I saw, and look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. This scripture references the people that will be Kings and Priests ruling in Gods Kingdom with Jesus. And the scriptures also reference a great crowd that will live through the tribulation and never see death at all. Then of course there are people that have died and will be resurrected back to the earth during Jesus Christ reign. John 5:25 - "Most truly I say to you, the hours is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who have given heed will live." The scriptures show there are different ways in which people participate in Gods Kingdom. The scriptures do not reflect this as a "class" structure.[/color] [color=blue:36dc772a29]Statement #4 JWs abstaining from politics? jesus was a political activist!@!!! remember?[/color] [color=orange:36dc772a29]Comment #4 According to the scriptures Jesus did not participate in worldly politics. John 17:16 -"They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world. and John 6:15 - "Therefore, Jesus, knowing they were about to come and seize him to make him king, withdrew again into the mountain all alone." [/color] [color=blue:36dc772a29]Statement #5 and jesus died to save us all. 144,000?[/color] [color=orange:36dc772a29]Comment #5 Please see my comment #3; As I noted before according to the scriptures Jesus is the only path to salvation and everlasting life. However, based on the current understanding of the scriptures reflect that everyone who obtains salvation does not go to heaven. As to who is going where...only Jehovah knows.[/color] [color=blue:36dc772a29]Statement #6 no life-saving blood transfusion after being hit by the car of a drunk driver? really?[/color] [color=orange:36dc772a29]Comment #6 Acts 15:29 - "to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!" Abstaining from blood is based on the scriptures. The medical industry has Blood substitutes available, which are used. There have been numerous medical advances and many Witnesses of Jehovah have recovered more quickly by not taking blood and using substitutes. There is a very informative video on this which you can obtain from any hall in your area.[/color] [color=blue:36dc772a29]Statement #7 mr. once upon a time lovesexy man? so it ain't hate. we just. .. miss him.[/color] [color=orange:36dc772a29]Comment #7 Each person has to take his or her own spiritual journey and grow and learn. The fact that Prince has chosen his spiritual path...if you miss "him"...he hasn't gone anywhere. [/color] [color=orange:36dc772a29]So I hope you take a moment to review my comments. If you have any scriptures or feedback please let me know. I just wanted to provide clarification on the points so there is not any inaccurate information or stereotypes as to the Witnesses of Jehovah. Feel free to also send me an ORG Note if you have any questions or comments. Just KeepinItReal [/color]Just 2 say I loved ur response 2 the comments on this thread. One of my best friends, who is also my boss, is one of the brothers....and although I've don't subscribe 2 his spiritual and religious beliefs, I respect him far more than any other religious followers, whatever their particlar brand. The reason 4 this is that I have performed my own research in2 ancient civilisations and the source of modern religions, and discovered that many cornerstones of Mainstream Christianity are based on misinterpretation and false truths. It was only after independently discovering this from new translations of the original aremaic and hebrew texts, as well as the newly discovered scrolls and tablets and some of the 'unpublished' gospels, that many things were also corroborated by the witnesses. For me that gives them a greater standing amongst Christianity as they seek 'the truth', and are willing 2 re-translate these texts to paint a clearer picture of our religious heritage. So many mainstream religions were originally based on lies and deliberate mis-translation to suit the power of the church and the message 'they' wanted 2 portray - which was never directly related 2 the original teachings of Jesus. Things such as Jesus actually being crucified on a stake, and not a Cross (a symbol central to mainstream Christianity), as well as the holy trinity being of man-made origin. Obviously my personal studies have shown many more inconsitencies in western religious belief relating to the unorthodox and tainted translations of the original writings, many of which go against all Christian ideals, however much respect to the witnesses 4 at least attempting 2 ask some of the more difficult questions. That is why if Prince wishes to pursue this particular path in life, all power 2 him. I'd rather that than see him fall under the spell of the dogmatic half-truths of mainstream christianity. Who cares if he no longer curses or never sings Erotic City or Head again. Just look at the Rainbow Children - one of the most uplifting, education and powerful works he has, and will ever produce. Peace. ______________________________________
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MightBQueen said: Marrk said: Are you serious? What's 'currently' got to do with anything? what if he did to Mani what he did to Mayte, what then? what ever happened to forgiveness of sins? can't people change? Oh man...this is getting ugly. KeepinitReal-You added some insight with your quoting of the scriptures, BUT um I have no idea what some of your points were. I stand by my comments as well. I'm very, very familiar with the scriptures. And with the law of averages I'm willing to bet I've read the bible, and studied the bible more exstensively the the majority of people around. I grew up a Penecostal Christian. Several years ago it hit me like a ton of bricks-"I don't believe in this stuff....Its fake" & it seriously has been the greatest moment of my life. So in a nutshell: in our life we will all have our own spiritual experiences, even my experience was spiritual. And we are all free to share our story, but I think its wrong to alienate people because think differently from you. And alot of "religious" & "spiritual" people are that way. There is alot of good "believers" can do...but the bad has been some of the worst "bad" in history. From the "bad" that was done to the Native people of just about every continent, and so on and so on. When Constantine turned Rome into the super christian empire alot of blood was shed. I could go on & on....but I'm bored. Nero | |
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mochalox said: .....i don't think anyone's questioning his musical genius. The problem comes when some people want him be the person he could be if he were 'boundary-free.' He's not anymore and some folx blame the JW.
This is the problem right here. What everyone else wants him to be. It's up to Prince and Prince alone to decide what religion to follow or not, what kind of lyrics to use or not, what kind of music to make or not, where to live, how to live, etc..... People act like Prince is some kind of possession that they own. "He should be this, he should be that, he should do this, he should do that". It's Prince's life...PERIOD! If you don't like an album he makes, don't buy it. If you don't like the songs he sings in concert or that he's changed some lyrics, don't go to the concert. If you don't like him preaching his beliefs to you, don't listen, don't buy, don't go. It's a free country. "Always blessings, never losses......"
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chookalana said: rainbowchild said: How long has he been a witness anyway??
Who cares? It's his life, not yours. People really have a problem with individuals being spirtual. Get the fuck over it. [This message was edited Wed May 19 20:39:32 2004 by chookalana] I dont know why, but I love the name "Chookalana" Mutts!
What does it mean? (I know it is off of the subject!) [This message was edited Fri May 21 10:33:28 2004 by muttley] | |
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