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Thread started 02/22/04 9:35am

sumtymes

the inner view

the recent tavis smiley interview

of prince on pbs shed light

on more than music

although i found the interview

2 be respectfull,

some chose 2 criticize the well spoken

speech of tavis and question

whether or not prince was wearing

a hair piece

the bigger issue of prince saying

he wants to raise the level of his

listener's consciousness with his music

seemed 2 be lost in the mist

i applaud both tavis and prince

4 trying 2 spread positivity and empowerment

2 the people

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Reply #1 posted 02/22/04 10:21am

sosgemini

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is this from npgmc or are these your own words?

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Reply #2 posted 02/22/04 5:25pm

sumtymes

sosgemini said:

is this from npgmc or are these your own words?





i made no reference 2 the npgmc

i'm expressing my own views

although i know others agree

that the tavis interview

represented 2 intelligent men

courageous enough 2 want 2

encourage mental, spiritual

and economic growth among all

yet particularly aimed at their

own people who have been

oppressed 4 2 long

to trivialize the conversation

that took place between prince

and tavis would mean missing

the point

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Reply #3 posted 02/22/04 5:58pm

ThreadBare

That's interesting, Sumtymes.

I mean, the focus on Prince's wig is symbolic. Here's a man who has an honesty problem. I mean, we love his music, but he doesn't exactly have a track record that supports trusting his word, does he? I mean, look at all the cancelled projects over the years, or the justified grumblings of NPGMC members. Who's behind that? Prince, chasing his whimsy.

So, OK, he wants to raise his listeners' consciousness. Fine. But, first, a recap. He artfully dodged Tavis Smiley's question about his name change by discussing Anita Baker and her masters. But, his original explanation of a dream and such, a spiritual awakening, blah blah blah... All that was a smokescreen to cover the fact that dude just wanted out of his contract. Right? And, he said it would be forever. At best, I think the most honest summary might be this: It was an exercise in desperation and ego.

But, wait, he said Mayte was his soulmate, too, right? Remember all those grand declarations of past lives and peace and raised consciousness?

So, you have an artist who goes back on his word all the time, talking about how he wants to raise our consciousness. Well, he's spent the past decade raising our consciousness about the evils of the music industry, but he hasn't been so successful at melding a consistent string of melodies and chord progressions into anything approaching a HIT. And, please, don't raise Musicology as a return to form. Even that song's melody is nonexistent. How many times is he going to rehash James Brown?

So, there was the whole thing about the Moors. Family Name. I find more revelation in James Earl Jones' performance in "The Man" or in Herbie Hancock's soundtrack to "The Spook Who Sat by the Door." That made me look at musical keys vis-a-vis revolutionary art differently.

But, Prince? He's going to raise our consciousness again? I can hardly wait. He's been doing such a great job.




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[This message was edited Sun Feb 22 17:59:24 2004 by ThreadBare]

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Reply #4 posted 02/23/04 8:36am

Rhondab

ok..i know that this is wrong for me to ask...but Prince had on a wig?? eek

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Reply #5 posted 02/24/04 5:20am

butter

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Rhondab said:

ok..i know that this is wrong for me to ask...but Prince had on a wig?? eek



I was thinking the same confuse

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Reply #6 posted 02/24/04 9:50am

TheFrog

sumtymes said:

the recent tavis smiley interview

of prince on pbs shed light

on more than music

although i found the interview

2 be respectfull,

some chose 2 criticize the well spoken

speech of tavis and question

whether or not prince was wearing

a hair piece

the bigger issue of prince saying

he wants to raise the level of his

listener's consciousness with his music

seemed 2 be lost in the mist

i applaud both tavis and prince

4 trying 2 spread positivity and empowerment

2 the people


I hear what you're saying, but i don't think that this interview was particulary deep or insightful. The only part that really grabbed me, which I thought was very interesting, was when Prince was asked about politics and seemed to adhere to a very left-wing notion of re-distribution of wealth. Which both surprised and delighted me.

However, i think that what he said about his audience and his music was predictable - not bad or good - just what a great deal of artists would have said. I'm not sure that the interview reached the heights of empowering the people.

It was very good of him to give props to his fans for sticking with him though. I certainly respect the man more after seeing the interview (for the two points i've raised above), but i still disagree (and believe I have the perfect right to disagree) with some of his arguments (for example I think he generalises when he considers the reasoning behind disputing the lyric-changes in his music).

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Reply #7 posted 02/27/04 7:49pm

sumtymes

TheFrog said:

sumtymes said:

the recent tavis smiley interview

of prince on pbs shed light

on more than music

although i found the interview

2 be respectfull,

some chose 2 criticize the well spoken

speech of tavis and question

whether or not prince was wearing

a hair piece

the bigger issue of prince saying

he wants to raise the level of his

listener's consciousness with his music

seemed 2 be lost in the mist

i applaud both tavis and prince

4 trying 2 spread positivity and empowerment

2 the people


I hear what you're saying, but i don't think that this interview was particulary deep or insightful. The only part that really grabbed me, which I thought was very interesting, was when Prince was asked about politics and seemed to adhere to a very left-wing notion of re-distribution of wealth. Which both surprised and delighted me.

However, i think that what he said about his audience and his music was predictable - not bad or good - just what a great deal of artists would have said. I'm not sure that the interview reached the heights of empowering the people.

It was very good of him to give props to his fans for sticking with him though. I certainly respect the man more after seeing the interview (for the two points i've raised above), but i still disagree (and believe I have the perfect right to disagree) with some of his arguments (for example I think he generalises when he considers the reasoning behind disputing the lyric-changes in his music).






both prince and tavis

seem 2 want 2 move mountains

and plant seeds of wisdom

in the heart and soul of those

who thirst 4 the truth

they're building bridges across

oceans of turmoil

and paving paths of empowerment

over road blocks that stand

in the way of a better future

4 all

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Reply #8 posted 03/01/04 12:56am

Abrazo

sumtymes said:

TheFrog said:



I hear what you're saying, but i don't think that this interview was particulary deep or insightful. The only part that really grabbed me, which I thought was very interesting, was when Prince was asked about politics and seemed to adhere to a very left-wing notion of re-distribution of wealth. Which both surprised and delighted me.

However, i think that what he said about his audience and his music was predictable - not bad or good - just what a great deal of artists would have said. I'm not sure that the interview reached the heights of empowering the people.

It was very good of him to give props to his fans for sticking with him though. I certainly respect the man more after seeing the interview (for the two points i've raised above), but i still disagree (and believe I have the perfect right to disagree) with some of his arguments (for example I think he generalises when he considers the reasoning behind disputing the lyric-changes in his music).






both prince and tavis

seem 2 want 2 move mountains

and plant seeds of wisdom

in the heart and soul of those

who thirst 4 the truth

they're building bridges across

oceans of turmoil

and paving paths of empowerment

over road blocks that stand

in the way of a better future

4 all

Oh please. They are just trying to make a living and do something good while they are at it. They are no saints or anything. rolleyes

You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security.
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