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Most Advanced Country Would it be safe to call America the most advanced and innovative country in the world in terms of technical, medical and all around innovation?
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There is no such thing as THE most innovative country.
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soulpower said: There is no such thing as THE most innovative country.
First of all, you need to clarify of which era you are talking about. Much of America`s accomplishments are based on other nations inventions. There was a time when the Arab countries were the most advanced, just like China, the Roman Empire, Greece, Egypt, Babylon.. and the USA didnt even exist and Europe was primitive and dull. If you are talking about today, America definenetly leads in many sectors, but not due to American accomplishment only. America today gathers an international pool of thinkers, scientists and wise people, they come from all over the world. Example: Space science. It was American capital, but German brain cells. Most of the rocket scientists of Nasa were German, and Wernher von Braun, the man who sent people to the moon, was a German V2-engineer and member of the SS (wonder why he didnt get prosecuted?? Right... he served the American cause, so his crimes and mass bombardments of London were easily forgiven...) All around innovation -- well, no, not America. I consider the living standard in some European countries much higher than in the US. In my country its definetely higher. But that doesnt make my country the most innovative country in the world... like I said, I believe you cant single one out. Only an ignorant, self-obsessed fool with no knowledge of other cultures could... you're so sweet. 
What does the living standard in some European countries have to do with their technical and medical innovations? You end up paying for this oh so great living standard. I, of course, have a point with all of this. There are far too many people out there who do not realize what the cause is for these effects. Why is America one of the world leaders in the technical and medical fields as well as all around financial? The answer is Capitalism. And far too often us capitalists are put down as being selfish, exploitive and cold hearted. They support these socialist medical plans, high regulation and taxes on businesses and more government influence, not ever realizing that the absence of these things it was has made our country a world leader in many fields. "I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum"
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chemmie said: Would it be safe to call America the most advanced and innovative country in the world in terms of technical, medical and all around innovation?
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chemmie said: What does the living standard in some European countries have to do with their technical and medical innovations? You end up paying for this oh so great living standard. It has all to do with it. A country that wants to be at the top needs to be advanced in its entirety. That includes technology, medical developments as well as the social advancement, justice system and the overall philoshophical structure (ergo "brains"). Of course somebody ends up paying for it. But let me ask you one thing: America`s medical science is as advanced as Germany`s, but its only accessible to few -- those with insurance. Here in Germany everybody is entitled to medicare -- thats a cultural advantage right there. I, of course, have a point with all of this. There are far too many people out there who do not realize what the cause is for these effects. Why is America one of the world leaders in the technical and medical fields as well as all around financial? The answer is Capitalism. I too believe that Capitalism is the only system that works in real life. I have never argues against capitalism in general. And far too often us capitalists are put down as being selfish, exploitive and cold hearted. They support these socialist medical plans, high regulation and taxes on businesses and more government influence, not ever realizing that the absence of these things it was has made our country a world leader in many fields. What I have a problem with is radical capitalism, which borders exploitation (the fact that you believe that the victims of such WANNA be exploited is proof for the bubble of irreality you live in). Once you force capitalism on non-capitalist-systems through force, you are destroying the chance of natural development and therefore damaging the idea of capitalism. Germany is a very capitalist country. But we have managed to create a system (ironically with the help of America) which leaves room for both capitalist fulfillment as well as social programs. Its a very fair system and also gives those a chance who are not smart or educated or maybe even tough enough for the hard capitalist market. Its a social democracy based on capitalism, and it has been working very well for the last 55 years, in spite of recent problems and need for reforms. You may quit with your arrogance now. You`d be less in your own ass about America if you actually had a clue about how other systems work. But if you only know yours, of course you will believe its the best and only one -- because in your little backyard, nothing else does exist. "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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chemmie said: The answer is Capitalism. so why not just create a thread asking people their opinion on capitalism? dude, your getting there but you still waltzing with the devil...give up the darkside and let your own self shine...  Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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A few things:
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i somewhat started this mostly thinking about medical innovation and how many people would like us to go to a nationally funded health care system. this is a huge example of the damage that could do. when you think of the american drug manufacturers and the countless innovations they have come up with in the past 10 years, then think of the money they would lose to a national health care system... it's a little scary.
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SpcMs said: A few things:
Mixing up 'advanced' and 'innovative' makes things complicated. I think your main point was innovation, so... let's talk about that. Then, what are we talking about here? Number of innovations per capita, per money unit invested, totals? In recent years? in recent history? over the last 2000 years? Also, true innovation is hard to measure. American companies today view innovation, or at least patents, as an important strategic asset. Of course Japan was first doing this, and Europe is slowly catching up. Recent studies showed however that the 'race for patents' in the US doesn't necessarely (sp?) equal true innovation. Also, the amount of 'imported' knowledge is bigger in the US than in any other country and it's difficult to attribute to a certain country (like nucleair power). Overall, in the last decades, i would say Japan has been the most innovative country. i would also agree on a technical level Japan is light years beyond. does anyone know their status as a free market? "I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum"
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butter said: Oh no…not a my country is better than yours thread?!?!…..well I gotta join in so…..
Since before the Industrial Revolution, Scots have been at the forefront of innovation and discovery across a wide range of spheres: the steam engine, the bicycle, tarmacadam roads, the telephone, television, the transistor, the motion picture, penicillin, electromagnetics, radar, insulin and calculus are only a few of the most significant products of Scottish ingenuity. As we start a new century, the technologies may have changed but the creative spark still burns brightly, seen most prominently perhaps in the creation of Dolly the sheep, the world's first cloned mammal. What made Scotland such a hotbed of creativity? It's difficult to point to any single factor although the Scots have always placed a high value on education. A prodigious work ethic, a self-confidence and vision, and perhaps even the weather, may also have played a role. Yet even when they left their native country, Scots took that creative impetus with them and continued to distinguish themselves in their adopted countries. Amazingly, for a country whose population has never been much in excess of 5 million, native Scots or those descended directly from them have been the recipients of some 11% of all the Nobel Prizes that have been awarded. Whatever its source, it's clear that the ingenuity and inventiveness of the Scots have shaped the world in which we live today. The following examples are by no means exhaustive but they do gives a flavour of just what the Scots have given the world. · A steam car: William Murdoch (1754-1839) · Tarmac roads: John Loudon McAdam (1756-1836) · Driving on the left: Determined by a Scottish-inspired Act of Parliament in 1772 · The pedal bicycle: Kirkpatrick Macmillan (1813-1878) · The pneumatic tyre: Robert William Thomson (1822-1873) and John Boyd Dunlop (1840-1921) · The speedometer: Sir Keith Elphinstone (1864-1944) · The motor lorry: John Yule in 1870 · The steam tricycle: Andrew Lawson in 1895 · Bridge design: Sir William Arrol (1838-1913), Thomas Telford (1757-1834) & John Rennie (1761-1821) · Suspension bridge improvements: Sir Samuel Brown (1776-1852) · Tubular steel: Sir William Fairbairn (1789-1874 · Canal design: Thomas Telford (1757-1834) · Dock design: John Rennie (1761-1821) · The patent slip for docking vessels: Thomas Morton (1781-1832) · Crane design: James Bremner (1784-1856) · Lighthouse design: Robert Stevenson (1772-1850) · The Drummond Light: Thomas Drummond (1797-1840 · Steam engine improvements: James Watt (1736-1819) · Coal-gas lighting: William Murdock (1754-1839) · The Stirling heat engine: Rev. Robert Stirling (1790-1878) · Electro-magnetic innovations: James Clerk Maxwell (1831-79) · Carbon brushes for dynamos: George Forbes (1849-1936) · The Clerk cycle gas engine: Sir Dugald Clerk (1854-1932) · Wireless transformer improvements: Sir James Swinburne (1858-1958) · Cloud chamber recording of atoms: Charles T. R. Wilson (1869-1959) · Wave-powered electricity generator: Stephen Salter in 1977 · The steamship paddle wheel: Patrick Miller (1731-1815) · The steam boat: William Symington (1763-1831) · Europe's first passenger steamboat: Henry Bell (1767-1830) · The first iron-hulled steamship: Sir William Fairbairn (1789-1874) · The first practical screw propeller: Robert Wilson (1803-1882) · Marine engine innovations: James Howden (1832-1913) · The first all-steel ship · The first steel ship to cross the Atlantic · The first paddle steamer to cross the Atlantic · The first ship to cross the Atlantic in less than a week · The first all-welded ship · The first merchant ship to run on oil · The first set of triple-expansion engines for a twin-screw steamer · The first ship to be fitted with two engines · The first steam whaler · The carronade cannon: Robert Melville (1723-1809) · Making cast steel from wrought iron: David Mushet (1772-1847) · Wrought iron sash bars for glass houses: John C. Loudon (1783-1865) · The hot blast oven: James Beaumont Neilson (1792-1865) · The steam hammer: James Nasmyth (1808-1890) · Wire rope: Robert Stirling Newall (1812-1889) · Steam engine improvements: William Mcnaught (1831-1881) · Narrow gauge, double-bogey railway engine: Robert Francis Fairlie (1831-1885) · Threshing machine improvements: James Meikle (c.1690-c.1780) & Andrew Meikle (1719-1811) · Hollow pipe drainage: Sir Hugh Dalrymple, Lord Drummore (1700-1753) · The 'Scotch Plough': James Anderson (1739-1808) · Deanstonisation soil-drainage system: James Smith (1789-1850) · The mechanical reaping machine: Rev. Patrick Bell (1799-1869) · The Tuley tree shelter: Graham Tuley in 1979 · Print stereotyping: William Ged (1690-1749) · The balloon post: John Anderson (1726-1796) · The adhesive postage stamp and the postmark: James Chalmers (1782-1853) · The post office · The mail-van service · Universal Standard Time: Sir Sandford Fleming (1827-1915) · Light signalling between ships: Philip H. Colomb (1831-1899) · The telephone: Alexander Graham Bell (1847-1922) · The teleprinter: Frederick G. Creed (1871-1957) · The television: John Logie Baird (1888-1946) · Radar: Robert Watson-Watt (1892-1973) · The first book translated from English into a foreign language · The first edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica (1768-81) · The first English textbook on surgery (1597) · The first modern pharmacopaedia, the Materia Medica Catalogue (1776) · The first textbook on Newtonian science · The first colour newspaper advertisement · The first postcards and picture postcards in the UK · Logarithms: John Napier (1550-1617) · The decimal point: John Napier (1550-1617) · The reflecting telescope: James Gregory (1638-1675) · The concept of Latent Heat: Joseph Black (1728-1799) · The pyroscope, atmometer and aethrioscope scientific instruments: Sir John Leslie (1766-1832) · Identifying the nucleus in living cells: Robert Browen (1773-1858) · Hypnosis: James Braid (1795-1860) · Colloid chemistry: Thomas Graham (1805-1869) · The Kelvin scale of temperature: William Thompson, Lord Kelvin (1824-1907) · Devising the diagramatic system of representing chemical bonds: Alexander Crum Brown (1838-1922) · Criminal fingerprinting: Henry Faulds (1843-1930) · The noble gases: Sir William Ramsay (1852-1916) · Pioneering work on nutrition and poverty: John Boyd Orr (1880-1971) · The ultrasound scanner: Ian Donald (1910-1987) · Ferrocene synthetic substances: Peter Ludwig Pauson in 1955 · The MRI body scanner: John Mallard in 1980 · The first cloned mammal: The Roslin Institute research centre in 1996 · Devising the cure for scurvy: James Lind (1716-1794) · Discovering quinine as the cure for malaria: George Cleghorn (1716-1794) · Pioneering the use of surgical anaesthesia: Sir James Young Simpson (1811-1870) · The hypodermic syringe: Alexander Wood (1817-1884) · Pioneering the use of anitseptics: Joseph Lister (1827-1912) · Identifying the mosquito as the carrier of malaria: Sir Patrick Manson (1844-1922) · Identifying the cause of brucellosis: Sir David Bruce (1855-1931) · Discovering the vaccine for typhoid fever: Sir William B. Leishman (1865-1926) · Discovering insulin: John J R Macleod (1876-1935) with others · Pencillin: Sir Alexander Fleming (1881-1955) · Discovering an effective treatment to eradicate TB: Sir John Crofton in the 1950s · Developing the first beta-blocker drugs: Sir James W. Black in 1964 · The piano with footpedals: John Broadwood (1732-1812) · The waterproof macintosh: Charles Macintosh (1766-1843) · Marmalade: James Keiller (1775-1839) · The kaleidoscope: Sir David Brewster (1781-1868) · The modern lawnmower: Alexander Shanks (1801-1845) · The Lucifer friction match: Sir Isaaac Holden (1807-1897) · Paraffin: James Young (1811-1883) · The fountain pen: Robert Thomson (1822-1873) · The vacuum flask: Sir James Dewar (1847-1932) · Cotton-reel thread: J & J Clark of Paisley · Marmalade with peel: James Robertson in 1850 · Cornflour: John Polson in 1854 · Lime Cordial: Lachlan Rose in 1867 · Bovril beef extract: John Lawson Johnston in 1874   Innovation? I vote for Scotland! I could list a hundred English inventions too, but I can't be bothered to type them out. So Chemmie, here's three things kicked off by the English I'd like you to consider... 1. The English Language. 2. The United States Of America. 3. The Internet (with good help from the Swiss) So before you answer (As an American, in English, on the Internet), please give us a list of US innovations which are simply that, innovations, not adaptations? We are waiting... . | |
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SquirrelMeat said: butter said: Oh no…not a my country is better than yours thread?!?!…..well I gotta join in so…..
Since before the Industrial Revolution, Scots have been at the forefront of innovation and discovery across a wide range of spheres: the steam engine, the bicycle, tarmacadam roads, the telephone, television, the transistor, the motion picture, penicillin, electromagnetics, radar, insulin and calculus are only a few of the most significant products of Scottish ingenuity. As we start a new century, the technologies may have changed but the creative spark still burns brightly, seen most prominently perhaps in the creation of Dolly the sheep, the world's first cloned mammal. What made Scotland such a hotbed of creativity? It's difficult to point to any single factor although the Scots have always placed a high value on education. A prodigious work ethic, a self-confidence and vision, and perhaps even the weather, may also have played a role. Yet even when they left their native country, Scots took that creative impetus with them and continued to distinguish themselves in their adopted countries. Amazingly, for a country whose population has never been much in excess of 5 million, native Scots or those descended directly from them have been the recipients of some 11% of all the Nobel Prizes that have been awarded. Whatever its source, it's clear that the ingenuity and inventiveness of the Scots have shaped the world in which we live today. The following examples are by no means exhaustive but they do gives a flavour of just what the Scots have given the world. · A steam car: William Murdoch (1754-1839) · Tarmac roads: John Loudon McAdam (1756-1836) · Driving on the left: Determined by a Scottish-inspired Act of Parliament in 1772 · The pedal bicycle: Kirkpatrick Macmillan (1813-1878) · The pneumatic tyre: Robert William Thomson (1822-1873) and John Boyd Dunlop (1840-1921) · The speedometer: Sir Keith Elphinstone (1864-1944) · The motor lorry: John Yule in 1870 · The steam tricycle: Andrew Lawson in 1895 · Bridge design: Sir William Arrol (1838-1913), Thomas Telford (1757-1834) & John Rennie (1761-1821) · Suspension bridge improvements: Sir Samuel Brown (1776-1852) · Tubular steel: Sir William Fairbairn (1789-1874 · Canal design: Thomas Telford (1757-1834) · Dock design: John Rennie (1761-1821) · The patent slip for docking vessels: Thomas Morton (1781-1832) · Crane design: James Bremner (1784-1856) · Lighthouse design: Robert Stevenson (1772-1850) · The Drummond Light: Thomas Drummond (1797-1840 · Steam engine improvements: James Watt (1736-1819) · Coal-gas lighting: William Murdock (1754-1839) · The Stirling heat engine: Rev. Robert Stirling (1790-1878) · Electro-magnetic innovations: James Clerk Maxwell (1831-79) · Carbon brushes for dynamos: George Forbes (1849-1936) · The Clerk cycle gas engine: Sir Dugald Clerk (1854-1932) · Wireless transformer improvements: Sir James Swinburne (1858-1958) · Cloud chamber recording of atoms: Charles T. R. Wilson (1869-1959) · Wave-powered electricity generator: Stephen Salter in 1977 · The steamship paddle wheel: Patrick Miller (1731-1815) · The steam boat: William Symington (1763-1831) · Europe's first passenger steamboat: Henry Bell (1767-1830) · The first iron-hulled steamship: Sir William Fairbairn (1789-1874) · The first practical screw propeller: Robert Wilson (1803-1882) · Marine engine innovations: James Howden (1832-1913) · The first all-steel ship · The first steel ship to cross the Atlantic · The first paddle steamer to cross the Atlantic · The first ship to cross the Atlantic in less than a week · The first all-welded ship · The first merchant ship to run on oil · The first set of triple-expansion engines for a twin-screw steamer · The first ship to be fitted with two engines · The first steam whaler · The carronade cannon: Robert Melville (1723-1809) · Making cast steel from wrought iron: David Mushet (1772-1847) · Wrought iron sash bars for glass houses: John C. Loudon (1783-1865) · The hot blast oven: James Beaumont Neilson (1792-1865) · The steam hammer: James Nasmyth (1808-1890) · Wire rope: Robert Stirling Newall (1812-1889) · Steam engine improvements: William Mcnaught (1831-1881) · Narrow gauge, double-bogey railway engine: Robert Francis Fairlie (1831-1885) · Threshing machine improvements: James Meikle (c.1690-c.1780) & Andrew Meikle (1719-1811) · Hollow pipe drainage: Sir Hugh Dalrymple, Lord Drummore (1700-1753) · The 'Scotch Plough': James Anderson (1739-1808) · Deanstonisation soil-drainage system: James Smith (1789-1850) · The mechanical reaping machine: Rev. Patrick Bell (1799-1869) · The Tuley tree shelter: Graham Tuley in 1979 · Print stereotyping: William Ged (1690-1749) · The balloon post: John Anderson (1726-1796) · The adhesive postage stamp and the postmark: James Chalmers (1782-1853) · The post office · The mail-van service · Universal Standard Time: Sir Sandford Fleming (1827-1915) · Light signalling between ships: Philip H. Colomb (1831-1899) · The telephone: Alexander Graham Bell (1847-1922) · The teleprinter: Frederick G. Creed (1871-1957) · The television: John Logie Baird (1888-1946) · Radar: Robert Watson-Watt (1892-1973) · The first book translated from English into a foreign language · The first edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica (1768-81) · The first English textbook on surgery (1597) · The first modern pharmacopaedia, the Materia Medica Catalogue (1776) · The first textbook on Newtonian science · The first colour newspaper advertisement · The first postcards and picture postcards in the UK · Logarithms: John Napier (1550-1617) · The decimal point: John Napier (1550-1617) · The reflecting telescope: James Gregory (1638-1675) · The concept of Latent Heat: Joseph Black (1728-1799) · The pyroscope, atmometer and aethrioscope scientific instruments: Sir John Leslie (1766-1832) · Identifying the nucleus in living cells: Robert Browen (1773-1858) · Hypnosis: James Braid (1795-1860) · Colloid chemistry: Thomas Graham (1805-1869) · The Kelvin scale of temperature: William Thompson, Lord Kelvin (1824-1907) · Devising the diagramatic system of representing chemical bonds: Alexander Crum Brown (1838-1922) · Criminal fingerprinting: Henry Faulds (1843-1930) · The noble gases: Sir William Ramsay (1852-1916) · Pioneering work on nutrition and poverty: John Boyd Orr (1880-1971) · The ultrasound scanner: Ian Donald (1910-1987) · Ferrocene synthetic substances: Peter Ludwig Pauson in 1955 · The MRI body scanner: John Mallard in 1980 · The first cloned mammal: The Roslin Institute research centre in 1996 · Devising the cure for scurvy: James Lind (1716-1794) · Discovering quinine as the cure for malaria: George Cleghorn (1716-1794) · Pioneering the use of surgical anaesthesia: Sir James Young Simpson (1811-1870) · The hypodermic syringe: Alexander Wood (1817-1884) · Pioneering the use of anitseptics: Joseph Lister (1827-1912) · Identifying the mosquito as the carrier of malaria: Sir Patrick Manson (1844-1922) · Identifying the cause of brucellosis: Sir David Bruce (1855-1931) · Discovering the vaccine for typhoid fever: Sir William B. Leishman (1865-1926) · Discovering insulin: John J R Macleod (1876-1935) with others · Pencillin: Sir Alexander Fleming (1881-1955) · Discovering an effective treatment to eradicate TB: Sir John Crofton in the 1950s · Developing the first beta-blocker drugs: Sir James W. Black in 1964 · The piano with footpedals: John Broadwood (1732-1812) · The waterproof macintosh: Charles Macintosh (1766-1843) · Marmalade: James Keiller (1775-1839) · The kaleidoscope: Sir David Brewster (1781-1868) · The modern lawnmower: Alexander Shanks (1801-1845) · The Lucifer friction match: Sir Isaaac Holden (1807-1897) · Paraffin: James Young (1811-1883) · The fountain pen: Robert Thomson (1822-1873) · The vacuum flask: Sir James Dewar (1847-1932) · Cotton-reel thread: J & J Clark of Paisley · Marmalade with peel: James Robertson in 1850 · Cornflour: John Polson in 1854 · Lime Cordial: Lachlan Rose in 1867 · Bovril beef extract: John Lawson Johnston in 1874 Innovation? I vote for Scotland! I could list a hundred English inventions too, but I can't be bothered to type them out. So Chemmie, here's three things kicked off by the English I'd like you to consider... 1. The English Language. 2. The United States Of America. 3. The Internet (with good help from the Swiss) So before you answer (As an American, in English, on the Internet), please give us a list of US innovations which are simply that, innovations, not adaptations? We are waiting... 
Lets also add that the population of Scotland is aprox 5,000 000...where as NY is 18, 000 000 so... Wha's Like Us The average Englishman in the home he calls his castle, slips into his national costume - a shabby raincoat - patented by Chemist Charles Macintosh from Glasgow, Scotland. En route to his office he strides along the english lane, surfaced by John Macadam of Ayr, Scotland. He drives an American car fitted with tyres invented by John Boyd Dunlop, Veterinary Surgeon of Dreghorn, Scotland. At the office he receives the mail bearing adhesive stamps invented by John Chalmers, Bookseller and Printer of Dundee, Scotland. During the day he uses the telephone invented by Alexander Graham Bell, born in Edinburgh, Scotland. At home in the evening his daughter pedals her bicycle invented by Kirkpatrick Macmillan, Blacksmith of Thornhill, Dumfriesshire, Scotland. He watches the news on T.V. an invention of John Logie Baird of Helensburgh, Scotland and hears an item about the U.S. Navy founded by John Paul Jones of Kirkbean, Scotland. He has now been reminded too much of Scotland and in desperation he picks up the bible, only to find that the first man mentioned in the good book is a Scot - King James V1 - who authorised its translation. He could take to drink but the Scots make the best in the world. He could take a rifle and end it all but the breach loading rifle was invented by Captain ferguson of Pitfours, Scotland. If he escaped death, he could find himself on an operating table injected with penicillan, discovered by Sir Alexander Fleming of darvel, Scotland and given Chloroform, an anaesthetic discovered by Sir james Young Simpson, Obstetrician and Gynaecologist of Bathgate, Scotland. Out of the anaesthetic he would find no comfort in learning that he was safe as the Bank of England founded by William paterson of Dumfries Scotland. Perhaps his only remaining hope would be to get a transfusion of guid Scottish blood which would entitle him to ask --- Wha's Like Us Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead, where there is no path and leave a trail
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SquirrelMeat said: chemmie said: The Cheeseburger.
And TV diners! you know the Europeans and Asians love them! "I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum"
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well the Scotts invented Radar. Which keeps me employed. They win. "I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum"
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Just in case you try to claim them (like the show at Epcot tries to do), he's a few English Highlights:
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chemmie said: SquirrelMeat said: chemmie said: The Cheeseburger.
And TV diners! you know the Europeans and Asians love them! The one invention I couldn't live without...that, and porn. Who invented porn? The chinese? . | |
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chemmie said: The Cheeseburger.
oh, and by the way, the cheeseburger is a minor adaptation of the hamburger. Invented by a German. . | |
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SquirrelMeat said: Who invented porn? The chinese?
Pornopians. From Pornopia. Long lost civilization that never go credit for being nekkid first. All hail the Pornopians. | |
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cynicalbastard said: SquirrelMeat said: Who invented porn? The chinese?
Pornopians. From Pornopia. Long lost civilization that never go credit for being nekkid first. All hail the Pornopians. Is Pornopia in current day Fuckikstan? . | |
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SquirrelMeat said: chemmie said: The Cheeseburger.
oh, and by the way, the cheeseburger is a minor adaptation of the hamburger. Invented by a German. if you are taking credit for America, Im taking credit for the cheeseburger. I wish we would have invented Bangers and Mashed though. mmm...  "I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum"
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butter said: · Devising the diagramatic system of representing chemical bonds: Alexander Crum Brown (1838-1922)
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cynicalbastard said: SquirrelMeat said: Who invented porn? The chinese?
Pornopians. From Pornopia. Long lost civilization that never go credit for being nekkid first. All hail the Pornopians. They all wanked themselves into an early grave, they went blind and didn't see danger anymore  | |
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chemmie said: when you think of the american drug manufacturers and the countless innovations they have come up with in the past 10 years, then think of the money they would lose to a national health care system... it's a little scary.
No, scary is the idea that your country would be so advanced in medical innovation, but only the rich would profit from it. The story about Scottland was pretty cool. But keep in mind, i didnt really want to turn this into a "my country is better than yours" thread. just a comparison of innovation vs. government involvement in private business. Bullshit. You have named this thread "Most advanced country" because you wanted to point out that its YOUR country that is the most advanced in your eyes, ergo its better than others. At least be honest about it. "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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chemmie said: The Cheeseburger.
The Cheeseburger is not quite an advanced innovation. Although quite tasty at times, its rather fattening and unhealthy and bad for your heart. Every country came up with crappy food, thats nothing to be proud of. "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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soulpower said: chemmie said: when you think of the american drug manufacturers and the countless innovations they have come up with in the past 10 years, then think of the money they would lose to a national health care system... it's a little scary.
No, scary is the idea that your country would be so advanced in medical innovation, but only the rich would profit from it. The story about Scottland was pretty cool. But keep in mind, i didnt really want to turn this into a "my country is better than yours" thread. just a comparison of innovation vs. government involvement in private business. Bullshit. You have named this thread "Most advanced country" because you wanted to point out that its YOUR country that is the most advanced in your eyes, ergo its better than others. At least be honest about it. I profit from the medical innovation in my country very much. The prescription drug I must take on a daily basis for the rest of my life just became availible over the counter. Drasticly reducing the price (if i didn have insurance). Now just imagine if the government wasnt so involved? The drug could have gotten to the masses much quicker and even cheaper. I could have saved a ton of money when I was unemployed last year. You are typically closedminded to the fact that people are profiting because they have made a product that has demand. There is nothing at all wrong with that. They are saving people's lives in the process (while making it cheaper) but all you think about is that they make more money than you. 
I doubt much of this is availible in the socialized systems. Not even to mention I had surgery almost 10 years ago for something that wasnt fatal. I was able to do that because I had the choice. I would still be waiting for a government employed doctor anywhere else. "I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum"
"Giving leaders enough power to create "social justice" is giving them enough power to destroy all justice, all freedom, and all human dignity." - Thomas Sowell | |
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chemmie said: Now just imagine if the government wasnt so involved? The drug could have gotten to the masses much quicker and even cheaper. I could have saved a ton of money when I was unemployed last year. Now then there is something very wrong with your government, because its a governments job to assure that medication is being made available as cheap as possible. At least thats how it works where I live. Many times you and I debate we share the same opinion, but chose a different approach because you simply dont have enough faith in your government. That should make you think if there is something very wrong with the system you live in. You are typically closedminded to the fact that people are profiting because they have made a product that has demand. No, I am not closeminded about that. But I consider it a crime if a drug is available but unaffordable for a poor person in need. Illnesses dont discriminate. Why should prescription drugs? There is nothing at all wrong with that. They are saving people's lives in the process (while making it cheaper) but all you think about is that they make more money than you.
You are implying something again that I did not say. I dont care how much pharma companies make, as long as they make the medication available to everybody. I doubt much of this is availible in the socialized systems. Not even to mention I had surgery almost 10 years ago for something that wasnt fatal. I was able to do that because I had the choice. I would still be waiting for a government employed doctor anywhere else. You doubt because you dont know. Germany has the best health care system in the world, and we are famous for that. The best doctors are available for EVERYBODY -- for free. General healthcare (from emergency rooms to a normal doctor) are much better accessible and free. What you are talking about above is the norm for people in my country. And that is exactly your problem. You are so much up America`s ass that you dont even KNOW that there are other countries who are doing a better job. Thats why you are left to believe that nothing can be better than your system. The US health care is considered a joke over here, and when people find out about the terrible circumstances in the US, they are really shocked. Even Cuba has a better health care system than the US. The child mortality rate is a lot lower, and all people have free medicare. Its time for you to open your mind and learn about other cultures, dude. You might actually profit from it. "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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Then you should understand my feelings.
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chemmie said: Then you should understand my feelings.
Currently the America spends more per capita than any other country in the world on Health Care and, to you, it is still a joke. In fact, everything the American Government spends money on is a joke and most likely a failure. Im sure if the American government made a major overhaul of our current system and implemented a system similar to Germany's, our health care would be fine. Thus the reason for this thread. If something like that would happen would pharmacutical companies and other medical technology companies still have the means for research and development. would they still be as innovative as they are now? Great that you have discovered that there is something wrong with your system. But that problem is not tied to a political party. The whole damn system needs to be reconsidered, and America can do that by looking at others and learn who they have mastered their problems. The American system is virtually unchanged since more than 200 years and really outdated. Its time to break with traditions and move on. Only like that, a government can act responsible. you do also know that as a percentage of GDP, Germany takes 37% of ones income on average in taxes vs. 28.9% in America. Germany is also one of the lowest in Europe. France is over 45% and the Swedes over 52%. Id rather have a better choice and less taxes than no choice and more taxes. The numbers are very correct. But you need to consider that here people make more money proportionally. We pay lots of taxes, but get amazing benefits and STILL have a choice. For example, I can chose between one dozen different major health insurances (all paid by the government) and if I want more, I can chose a private health insurance. Its all possible. A social democracy does NOT mean that the government blows shit in your ass and leaves you no choice. I have all choices I want, and even though I pay more taxes than you, I still come home with more money, vacation and chistmas benefits and 6 weeks of paid vacations as well as a full retirement plan and functioning social security. "Peace and Benz -- The future, made in Germany" | |
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