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Thread started 11/17/03 8:08am

DigitalLisa

2 the believers & unbelievers, let's dig deep 4 one sec

I don't have a problem with folks who choose not believe, because you have a right to choose to believe in whatever you want. It's all on you, but what I do have a problem with those who choose not to believe and they feel as if they have a right to disrespect & ridicule those who choose to believe. I've seen it many done many times on this site. I think some people believe they have a right to do this, because of their lack of respect for religion, but my question is, if you are a atheist who ridicules Christians (or any other religion) for believing then , what makes you so different from the religious leaders who ridicules others 4 living a alternative lifestyle? See What I’m saying ?

Conclusion, respect comes from both end, rather you choose to believe or not and just because you don’t believe, there still is a such thing of knowing the difference between wrong & right.

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Reply #1 posted 11/17/03 8:17am

DigitalLisa

DigitalLisa said:

I don't have a problem with folks who choose not believe, because you have a right to choose to believe in whatever you want. It's all on you, but what I do have a problem with those who choose not to believe and they feel as if they have a right to disrespect & ridicule those who choose to believe. I've seen it many done many times on this site. I think some people believe they have a right to do this, because of their lack of respect for religion, but my question is, if you are a atheist who ridicules Christians (or any other religion) for believing then , what makes you so different from the religious leaders who ridicules others 4 living a alternative lifestyle? See What I’m saying ?

Conclusion, respect comes from both end, rather you choose to believe or not and just because you don’t believe, there still is a such thing of knowing the difference between wrong & right.

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Some of u Atheist seems just as self righteous as some preahcers I know, so is there really a difference ?

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Reply #2 posted 11/17/03 8:49am

SquirrelMeat

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Because athiests don't go around starting wars in the name of imaginary characters.

Religions do.

Thats the difference.

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Reply #3 posted 11/17/03 8:57am

mdiver

SquirrelMeat said:

Because athiests don't go around starting wars in the name of imaginary characters.

Religions do.

Thats the difference.


No they have proper reasons like money or oil

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Reply #4 posted 11/17/03 9:00am

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mdiver said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Because athiests don't go around starting wars in the name of imaginary characters.

Religions do.

Thats the difference.


No they have proper reasons like money or oil


Actually, athiest couldn't claim exclusivity on that one. Religions want a piece of that too. Reverend George Bush is a good expample.


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Reply #5 posted 11/17/03 9:08am

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DigitalLisa said:

I think some people believe they have a right to do this, because of their lack of respect for religion, but my question is, if you are a atheist who ridicules Christians (or any other religion) for believing then , what makes you so different from the religious leaders who ridicules others 4 living a alternative lifestyle?



I get your point, and I agree, every faith should be respected. But atheism should be respected by the believers as well. But it isnt.
Some non-believers laugh at believers. But some believers are openly declaring the non-believers as devils and wish them torture and eternity in hell. I wonder whats worth...

There is always two sides to it, ya know..

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Reply #6 posted 11/17/03 9:23am

DigitalLisa

soulpower said:

DigitalLisa said:

I think some people believe they have a right to do this, because of their lack of respect for religion, but my question is, if you are a atheist who ridicules Christians (or any other religion) for believing then , what makes you so different from the religious leaders who ridicules others 4 living a alternative lifestyle?



I get your point, and I agree, every faith should be respected. But atheism should be respected by the believers as well. But it isnt.
Some non-believers laugh at believers. But some believers are openly declaring the non-believers as devils and wish them torture and eternity in hell. I wonder whats worth...

There is always two sides to it, ya know..

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yeah I know ... which is the point I'm trying to make.

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Reply #7 posted 11/17/03 9:24am

DigitalLisa

SquirrelMeat said:

Because athiests don't go around starting wars in the name of imaginary characters.

Religions do.

Thats the difference.

correction... it's the republicans lol

but democrates aren't really that different either hrmph
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Reply #8 posted 11/17/03 9:52am

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SquirrelMeat said:

mdiver said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Because athiests don't go around starting wars in the name of imaginary characters.

Religions do.

Thats the difference.


No they have proper reasons like money or oil


Actually, athiest couldn't claim exclusivity on that one. Religions want a piece of that too. Reverend George Bush is a good expample.


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Reply #9 posted 11/17/03 10:06am

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You're being fooled if you think republicans and the religious-right are the only ones involved in this globalist agenda.

Also, be careful not to stereotype all people who follow a religion. It's really a shame what people have done in the name of religion, but if we look at the life of Jesus, he done none of those things. That's who I follow.

Peace.

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Reply #10 posted 11/17/03 10:26am

DigitalLisa

Jasziah said:

You're being fooled if you think republicans and the religious-right are the only ones involved in this globalist agenda.

Also, be careful not to stereotype all people who follow a religion. It's really a shame what people have done in the name of religion, but if we look at the life of Jesus, he done none of those things. That's who I follow.

Peace.


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Reply #11 posted 11/17/03 10:37am

butter

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DigitalLisa said:

Jasziah said:

You're being fooled if you think republicans and the religious-right are the only ones involved in this globalist agenda.

Also, be careful not to stereotype all people who follow a religion. It's really a shame what people have done in the name of religion, but if we look at the life of Jesus, he done none of those things. That's who I follow.

Peace.


true nod




can I ask a question...whats a republican?

And isnt what u just said the same as what squirrel meat said, just in different words.?

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Reply #12 posted 11/17/03 10:42am

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I read of a man who stood to speak
At the funeral of a friend
He referred to the dates on her tombstone
From the beginning...to the end.

He noted that first came her date of birth
And spoke the following date with tears,
But he said what mattered most of all
Was the dash between those years.
(1934-1998)

For that dash represents all the time
That she spent alive on earth...
And now only those who loved her
Know what that little line is worth.

For it matters not, how much we own;
The cars...the house...the cash,
What matters is how we live and love
And how we spend our dash.

So think about this long and hard...
Are there things you'd like to change?
For you never know how much time is left,
That can still be rearranged.

If we could just slow down enough
To consider what's true and real,
And always try to understand
The way other people feel.

And be less quick to anger,
And show appreciation more
And love the people in our lives
Like we've never loved before.

If we treat each other with respect,
And more often wear a smile..
Remembering that this special dash
May last only a little while.

So, when your eulogy's being read
With your life's actions to rehash...
Would you be proud of the things they say
About how you spent your dash?

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Reply #13 posted 11/17/03 10:56am

DigitalLisa

butter said:

DigitalLisa said:

Jasziah said:

You're being fooled if you think republicans and the religious-right are the only ones involved in this globalist agenda.

Also, be careful not to stereotype all people who follow a religion. It's really a shame what people have done in the name of religion, but if we look at the life of Jesus, he done none of those things. That's who I follow.

Peace.


true nod




can I ask a question...whats a republican?

And isnt what u just said the same as what squirrel meat said, just in different words.?


How can I explain this ?
hmmm

A republican is just a bunch of conservatives who likes 2 rule over the less unfornate... in other words democrats or liberals as some people like 2 call them lol, butlike I said before with 2day's day and age, there's really not a difference between a democrat or a republican cuz they all in it 4 money & power and will phuck over just about anybody 2 get it. that's just sad. that's just 2 my understanding.


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Reply #14 posted 11/17/03 11:10am

butter

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DigitalLisa said:

butter said:

DigitalLisa said:

Jasziah said:

You're being fooled if you think republicans and the religious-right are the only ones involved in this globalist agenda.

Also, be careful not to stereotype all people who follow a religion. It's really a shame what people have done in the name of religion, but if we look at the life of Jesus, he done none of those things. That's who I follow.

Peace.


true nod




can I ask a question...whats a republican?

And isnt what u just said the same as what squirrel meat said, just in different words.?


How can I explain this ?
hmmm

A republican is just a bunch of conservatives who likes 2 rule over the less unfornate... in other words democrats or liberals as some people like 2 call them lol, butlike I said before with 2day's day and age, there's really not a difference between a democrat or a republican cuz they all in it 4 money & power and will phuck over just about anybody 2 get it. that's just sad. that's just 2 my understanding.


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Just another greedy politician then??

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Reply #15 posted 11/17/03 11:10am

namepeace

Actually, I believe atheism is a belief unto itself. Just like Neo said, "the problem is choice." We can choose to believe in God, or not to believe in him. Some on this board have advocated their non-beliefs with near-evangelical fervor. I think that, like evangelicals, atheists believe that they have found the "truth" and will shout it out so that others can know.

Atheists on this board are, indeed, quite religious.

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Reply #16 posted 11/17/03 11:21am

DigitalLisa

namepeace said:

Actually, I believe atheism is a belief unto itself. Just like Neo said, "the problem is choice." We can choose to believe in God, or not to believe in him. Some on this board have advocated their non-beliefs with near-evangelical fervor. I think that, like evangelicals, atheists believe that they have found the "truth" and will shout it out so that others can know.

Atheists on this board are, indeed, quite religious.

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Reply #17 posted 11/17/03 11:23am

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DigitalLisa said:

I don't have a problem with folks who choose not believe, because you have a right to choose to believe in whatever you want. It's all on you, but what I do have a problem with those who choose not to believe and they feel as if they have a right to disrespect & ridicule those who choose to believe. I've seen it many done many times on this site. I think some people believe they have a right to do this, because of their lack of respect for religion, but my question is, if you are a atheist who ridicules Christians (or any other religion) for believing then , what makes you so different from the religious leaders who ridicules others 4 living a alternative lifestyle? See What I’m saying ?

Conclusion, respect comes from both end, rather you choose to believe or not and just because you don’t believe, there still is a such thing of knowing the difference between wrong & right.

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[This message was edited Mon Nov 17 8:11:58 PST 2003 by DigitalLisa]

Very good point, DigitalLisa.

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Reply #18 posted 11/17/03 11:31am

talmuzic

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sometimes words can be cast to the swine

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Reply #19 posted 11/17/03 6:41pm

butter

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talmuzic said:

sometimes words can be cast to the swine


and the swine would be...?

What happened to treat thy neighbour...
turning the other cheek or

How about practicing what you preach?

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Reply #20 posted 11/17/03 7:07pm

talmuzic

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Butter,only a hit dog will holler...

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Reply #21 posted 11/17/03 7:37pm

butter

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talmuzic said:

Butter,only a hit dog will holler...



If a dog can holler then it must be pretty talented.

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Reply #22 posted 11/17/03 7:37pm

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I have no problem with believers who respect non-believers. I can't stand those who say what they believe is FACT, cuz they're too afraid they won't sound confident about their faith if they say they BELIEVE. They're all in fear of pissing off their God. When people follow religions, they're just following ancient ideas and stories. Why accept that as fact? I guess that'll continue until the real truth is revealed.

"You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "

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Reply #23 posted 11/17/03 7:52pm

namepeace

EvilWhiteMale said:

I have no problem with believers who respect non-believers. I can't stand those who say what they believe is FACT, cuz they're too afraid they won't sound confident about their faith if they say they BELIEVE. They're all in fear of pissing off their God. When people follow religions, they're just following ancient ideas and stories. Why accept that as fact? I guess that'll continue until the real truth is revealed.


EWM, I respect your choice tho I have made a different one. I firmly believe that none of us have it 100% right. And the last 6 words of your post constitute the biggest mystery of all.

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Reply #24 posted 11/17/03 8:09pm

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Tal, I've posted elsewhere that I neither believe nor disbelieve as I have not seen any proof, so I am pretty open to debate when it comes to discussing it. I've also said that I respect believers and that religion intrigues me...learning about other peoples beliefs and cultures rids society of ignorance from which things like bullying, racism etc stem from...education is the key.

If you regard your self as a child of god...then damn you had a shitty upbringing and I don't wanna be a part of your family if being part of it is gonna make me show animosity towards others with differing beliefs...which to me is no different to racism, homophobia etc

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Reply #25 posted 11/18/03 6:30am

SensualMelody

namepeace said:

Actually, I believe atheism is a belief unto itself. Just like Neo said, "the problem is choice." We can choose to believe in God, or not to believe in him. Some on this board have advocated their non-beliefs with near-evangelical fervor. I think that, like evangelicals, atheists believe that they have found the "truth" and will shout it out so that others can know.

Atheists on this board are, indeed, quite religious.


Boy do I agree with this!!!
The body of beliefs a person adheres to IS his religion.
So atheist have their beliefs and do expound them to others...

One thing we all hold in common is the NEED TO FIND ANSWERS.
Different people look to different sources.
No one is BORN with his body of beliefs in tact.
So no matter whether one is an athiest or a theist, he has built his faith
on what SOMEBODY told him or SOMETHING he read.
So there is no room for boasting on either side.

Again it comes down to what one chooses to believe.
I have noticed that many choose as if he were at a "buffet of life".
Whatever suits his personal lifestyle. Whatever pleases himself.
I personally search for something that makes me a better person.
I find the teachings of Jesus Christ make me a better person, more in touch
with the feelings of others, more concerned about others.
When I say "better person", I don't mean better than other people...
but better than I, myself, would be without those teachings.
I also find the ring of truth to what Jesus says.

heart Melody

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Reply #26 posted 11/18/03 6:33am

SensualMelody

butter said:

Tal, I've posted elsewhere that I neither believe nor disbelieve as I have not seen any proof, so I am pretty open to debate when it comes to discussing it. I've also said that I respect believers and that religion intrigues me...learning about other peoples beliefs and cultures rids society of ignorance from which things like bullying, racism etc stem from...education is the key.

If you regard your self as a child of god...then damn you had a shitty upbringing and I don't wanna be a part of your family if being part of it is gonna make me show animosity towards others with differing beliefs...which to me is no different to racism, homophobia etc


I like the poem u posted.
I will save it...very nice message...
heart Melody

So...how's everybody doing? smile
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Reply #27 posted 11/18/03 6:43am

SensualMelody

EvilWhiteMale said:

I have no problem with believers who respect non-believers. I can't stand those who say what they believe is FACT, cuz they're too afraid they won't sound confident about their faith if they say they BELIEVE. They're all in fear of pissing off their God. When people follow religions, they're just following ancient ideas and stories. Why accept that as fact? I guess that'll continue until the real truth is revealed.


U R right, in my opinion...lol

Even the Bible leaves room for further enlightenment...
It itself says that some things are left unknown
...until the appointed time for understanding...
so no one has room to boast that he is all-knowing.
At least no human.

I agree that we should all keep learning...until our last breath...

which is really why people have so many questions...because we are mortal,
and the wisest and richest among us die just as the simplest and poorest.

The mortality thing is just so hard to figure...why must we die?
Hence the search for satisfying answers.

heart Melody

So...how's everybody doing? smile
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Reply #28 posted 11/18/03 7:33am

stymie

Melody!!woot! hug

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Reply #29 posted 11/18/03 7:36am

stymie

My two cents:

Believe what you want. I have friends of all faiths and I don't sit back and judge them and wonder if what they believe if the 'truth' or not.

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