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teller said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: cborgman said: and the point still stands that comparing hitler and hillary clinton is completely off base, not to mention asinine.
and since you used the quote, i would think that you would have answered supa's question about the rest of the quote and who it was said to. Yes, if you are going to compare Hillary Clinton to Hitler, Mussolini and Nikkita please back up your slander with facts on what issue she was talking about when she said that statement. Without that, you sound like nothing more than paranoid. She's in favor of big and powerful government, it's no secret. Anti-individualist ideas all lead down the same road to different degrees. She may not be Hitler, but the ideologies are all the same, which I think was chemmie's original point. Socialists do not have good company in history. Don't skip out on the issue at hand. What was she speaking about when she said that? I'm curious to know. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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teller said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: cborgman said: and the point still stands that comparing hitler and hillary clinton is completely off base, not to mention asinine.
and since you used the quote, i would think that you would have answered supa's question about the rest of the quote and who it was said to. Yes, if you are going to compare Hillary Clinton to Hitler, Mussolini and Nikkita please back up your slander with facts on what issue she was talking about when she said that statement. Without that, you sound like nothing more than paranoid. She's in favor of big and powerful government, it's no secret. Anti-individualist ideas all lead down the same road to different degrees. She may not be Hitler, but the ideologies are all the same, which I think was chemmie's original point. Socialists do not have good company in history. and when was she established as an anti-9individualist? we have asked for the rest of the quote, because that qwuote can be taken so many different ways, and no one will show us the rest. and the idealiogies and actions of hitler are much much closer to the right wing. the left wing is the party of the minorities. i hardly think prosperity at the cost of the minorities is what the left wing has in mind i will be attending the DC/east coast org meetup the weekend of sept 25th, and so should you:
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cborgman said: and the idealiogies and actions of hitler are much much closer to the right wing. the left wing is the party of the minorities.
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teller said: cborgman said: and the idealiogies and actions of hitler are much much closer to the right wing. the left wing is the party of the minorities.
fascinating perceptions I see on here... hitlers political beliefs were very right wing if you do your research i will be attending the DC/east coast org meetup the weekend of sept 25th, and so should you:
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cborgman said: teller said: cborgman said: and the idealiogies and actions of hitler are much much closer to the right wing. the left wing is the party of the minorities.
fascinating perceptions I see on here... hitlers political beliefs were very right wing if you do your research fascism and communism are two sides of the same coin--taking away your freedoms. libertarians are just the opposite, and yet we're lumped in with the right along with the fascists. bottom line: the political spectrum is not this one-dimensional. Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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teller said: cborgman said: teller said: cborgman said: and the idealiogies and actions of hitler are much much closer to the right wing. the left wing is the party of the minorities.
fascinating perceptions I see on here... hitlers political beliefs were very right wing if you do your research fascism and communism are two sides of the same coin--taking away your freedoms. libertarians are just the opposite, and yet we're lumped in with the right along with the fascists. bottom line: the political spectrum is not this one-dimensional. whine about being lumped in, but you are defending the statement about hillary and hitler being too close for comfort? i will be attending the DC/east coast org meetup the weekend of sept 25th, and so should you:
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i mean, honestly, teller, i love ya, but that is so insanely hypocritical i will be attending the DC/east coast org meetup the weekend of sept 25th, and so should you:
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teller said: cborgman said: teller said: cborgman said: and the idealiogies and actions of hitler are much much closer to the right wing. the left wing is the party of the minorities.
fascinating perceptions I see on here... hitlers political beliefs were very right wing if you do your research fascism and communism are two sides of the same coin--taking away your freedoms. libertarians are just the opposite, and yet we're lumped in with the right along with the fascists. bottom line: the political spectrum is not this one-dimensional. The reason you are lumped in with the right is because you support the policies they are putting in place!. You, Ice and Chemmie (all Libs) have lauded many of the actions taken by the Bush administration. Nobody here who advocates any type of social morality and social justice wants a communistic or facsist society. You know we don't and you know that's not what we are fighting for. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: The reason you are lumped in with the right is because you support the policies they are putting in place!. You, Ice and Chemmie (all Libs) have lauded many of the actions taken by the Bush administration.
Nobody here who advocates any type of social morality and social justice wants a communistic or facsist society. You know we don't and you know that's not what we are fighting for. Yeah, but Hitlary is. Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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teller said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: The reason you are lumped in with the right is because you support the policies they are putting in place!. You, Ice and Chemmie (all Libs) have lauded many of the actions taken by the Bush administration.
Nobody here who advocates any type of social morality and social justice wants a communistic or facsist society. You know we don't and you know that's not what we are fighting for. Yeah, but Hitlary is. Prove it! Please provide the full background where she made that comment. Please provide facts about what her viewpoints are and how they can prove that she's a communist or a facist. I'll wait patiently while you back up your claims... 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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teller said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: The reason you are lumped in with the right is because you support the policies they are putting in place!. You, Ice and Chemmie (all Libs) have lauded many of the actions taken by the Bush administration.
Nobody here who advocates any type of social morality and social justice wants a communistic or facsist society. You know we don't and you know that's not what we are fighting for. Yeah, but Hitlary is. oh, you know it isn't. that is ridiculous. show me where hillary has ever said she feels the american governement should become communistic or facsistic. and i think in order to really prove it we will need a quote that involves more than 5 lines in total that can be taken wildly out of context i will be attending the DC/east coast org meetup the weekend of sept 25th, and so should you:
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Prove it! Please provide the full background where she made that comment. Please provide facts about what her viewpoints are and how they can prove that she's a communist or a facist. I'll wait patiently while you back up your claims... This Hillary we're talking about...she almost nationalized the health care system in 1992. That's pretty far left, and pretty fuckin' obvious. I have to convince you that she's pretty far out left?!Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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ahhh.. come on now. you guys are the best at taking quotes out of context. look at the recent retractions from the New York Times and even the latest bit with the famous "16 words" where it is often forgotten that he said "british intelligence has learned." not to mention Trent Lott wishing Strom a happy birthday and losing his job because of quote interpretation. i'm sorry, i thought we weren't lumping people into grouip since what you two were just complaining about. second of all, i am asking for proof fo this insane slander you are creating, and you refuse to provide it. i will be attending the DC/east coast org meetup the weekend of sept 25th, and so should you:
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teller said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Prove it! Please provide the full background where she made that comment. Please provide facts about what her viewpoints are and how they can prove that she's a communist or a facist. I'll wait patiently while you back up your claims... This Hillary we're talking about...she almost nationalized the health care system in 1992. That's pretty far left, and pretty fuckin' obvious. I have to convince you that she's pretty far out left?!no you have to convince us with direct quotes that your ridiculous statement of how she is trying to make this a communist or facist government. you made the comment, now back it up i will be attending the DC/east coast org meetup the weekend of sept 25th, and so should you:
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cborgman said: teller said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Prove it! Please provide the full background where she made that comment. Please provide facts about what her viewpoints are and how they can prove that she's a communist or a facist. I'll wait patiently while you back up your claims... This Hillary we're talking about...she almost nationalized the health care system in 1992. That's pretty far left, and pretty fuckin' obvious. I have to convince you that she's pretty far out left?!no you have to convince us with direct quotes that your ridiculous statement of how she is trying to make this a communist or facist government. you made the comment, now back it up i think he just did. not to mention their stance on gun control, taxes and other socialized programs. "I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum"
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ahhh.. come on now. you guys are the best at taking quotes out of context. look at the recent retractions from the New York Times and even the latest bit with the famous "16 words" where it is often forgotten that he said "british intelligence has learned." not to mention Trent Lott wishing Strom a happy birthday and losing his job because of quote interpretation. Excuse me. Bush left out anything to do with the Nigerian uranium connection in speaches BEFORE the state of the union address. Colin Powell also left it out the week after at his UN speach. Somehow, even though this crucial information was not backed up by the CIA itself and even though it was not included before or after the state of the union, it managed to make its way into the most important and most heavily vetted speach the President makes all year? Does that put it in context for you? As for Trent Lott, one of the explanations he gave for his praises of Strom was his support of states rights. Tell me, what were the states rights that Strom was fighting for? THE STATE'S RIGHT TO ENFORCE AND PROTECT SEGREGATION!!!. So if you think that Trent Lott's praises of a racist deserve no scrutiny, think again. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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you two make endless claims and claim that the libertarian party is the only solution to these problems that you refuse to provide documentation or proof of any kind of, reflects very very poorly on your party.
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chemmie said: cborgman said: teller said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Prove it! Please provide the full background where she made that comment. Please provide facts about what her viewpoints are and how they can prove that she's a communist or a facist. I'll wait patiently while you back up your claims... This Hillary we're talking about...she almost nationalized the health care system in 1992. That's pretty far left, and pretty fuckin' obvious. I have to convince you that she's pretty far out left?!no you have to convince us with direct quotes that your ridiculous statement of how she is trying to make this a communist or facist government. you made the comment, now back it up i think he just did. not to mention their stance on gun control, taxes and other socialized programs. no, i need more than that, and i need direct quotes that show beyond a shadow of a doubt that hillary clinton intends to dismantle congress and the senate i will be attending the DC/east coast org meetup the weekend of sept 25th, and so should you:
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teller said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Prove it! Please provide the full background where she made that comment. Please provide facts about what her viewpoints are and how they can prove that she's a communist or a facist. I'll wait patiently while you back up your claims... This Hillary we're talking about...she almost nationalized the health care system in 1992. That's pretty far left, and pretty fuckin' obvious. I have to convince you that she's pretty far out left?!Teller this is a national problem. Currently 41,000,000 people are uninsured. She was trying to tackle a national issue that affects millions and millions in extremeley adverse ways, not stripping all means of making wealth from individuals so that the state can dicate who needs what like Castro does in Cuba. It might be left but comes nowhere near facism or communism. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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cborgman said: teller said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Prove it! Please provide the full background where she made that comment. Please provide facts about what her viewpoints are and how they can prove that she's a communist or a facist. I'll wait patiently while you back up your claims... This Hillary we're talking about...she almost nationalized the health care system in 1992. That's pretty far left, and pretty fuckin' obvious. I have to convince you that she's pretty far out left?!no you have to convince us with direct quotes that your ridiculous statement of how she is trying to make this a communist or facist government. you made the comment, now back it up you haven't seen my endless postings that compare the liberal left in America to communism? i'm not reprinting everything here. she belongs in that category. now many liberals have argued with me that they are not as extreme as the communists, and i've heard and understood that from them. but hillary has consistently been a faithful extreme leftist and it's all out there. nationalizing health care was just the BIG ONE. when government takes over an entire industry, it is the communist way. it is the very essense of communism. look up communism in the dictionary. we've spit out endless documentation and argumentation; you probably wouldn't consider it "proof." it's no easy to prove one's political ideas, which is why there are so many debates. but you make it sound like we're just huffing and puffing. admittedly, the whole hillary thing is more fun than anything else. i simply hate her guts. [This message was edited Wed Jul 30 11:20:40 PDT 2003 by teller] Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: not stripping all means of making wealth from individuals so that the state can dicate who needs what like Castro does in Cuba. It might be left but comes nowhere near facism or communism.
that is exactly what she was trying to do! that is the democratic party's platform! rob from the rich and give to the poor. not quite communism but well on it's way! "I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum"
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teller said: cborgman said: teller said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Prove it! Please provide the full background where she made that comment. Please provide facts about what her viewpoints are and how they can prove that she's a communist or a facist. I'll wait patiently while you back up your claims... This Hillary we're talking about...she almost nationalized the health care system in 1992. That's pretty far left, and pretty fuckin' obvious. I have to convince you that she's pretty far out left?!no you have to convince us with direct quotes that your ridiculous statement of how she is trying to make this a communist or facist government. you made the comment, now back it up you haven't seen my endless postings that compare the liberal left in America to communism? i'm not reprinting everything here. she belongs in that category. now many liberals have argued with me that they are not as extreme as the communists, and i've heard and understood that from them. but hillary has consistently been a faithful extreme leftist and it's all out there. nationalizing health care was just the BIG ONE. when government takes over an entire industry, it is the communist way. it is the very essense of communism. look up communism in the dictionary. we've spit out endless documentation and argumentation; you probably wouldn't consider it "proof." it's no easy to prove one's political ideas, which is why there are so many debates. but you make it sound like we're just huffing and puffing. admittedly, the whole hillary thing is more fun than anything else. i simply hate her guts. [This message was edited Wed Jul 30 11:20:40 PDT 2003 by teller] Oh I forgot, the privatized system is working so well.  What should the solution be? Let private industry fuck it up even more so that we can move from 41,000,000 to 100,000,000 uninsured? Establishing some kind of control and order on the situation is the equivalent of gassing 6,000,000 jews? Come on now!
You are huffing and puffing. Put up or shut up. Give me real context, not some sentence pulled out of the air. You say you've spit out proof and documentation and I cannot recall even one instance where any of you did any such thing! I'm not dumb and I don't have short term memory loss. I would remember if you or Chemmie or any others provided actual documentation to back up your claims. All I ever hear from any of you is how Evil Hilary is. You spout it like a Mantra. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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teller said:[quote] cborgman said: teller said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Prove it! Please provide the full background where she made that comment. Please provide facts about what her viewpoints are and how they can prove that she's a communist or a facist. I'll wait patiently while you back up your claims... This Hillary we're talking about...she almost nationalized the health care system in 1992. That's pretty far left, and pretty fuckin' obvious. I have to convince you that she's pretty far out left?!no you have to convince us with direct quotes that your ridiculous statement of how she is trying to make this a communist or facist government. you made the comment, now back it up you haven't seen my endless postings that compare the liberal left in America to communism? i'm not reprinting everything here. she belongs in that category. i'm sorry, i thought you don't believe in lumping people in categories. is'n t that what you were talking about a minute ago? now many liberals have argued with me that they are not as extreme as the communists, and i've heard and understood that from them. but hillary has consistently been a faithful extreme leftist and it's all out there. nationalizing health care was just the BIG ONE. when government takes over an entire industry, it is the communist way. it is the very essense of communism. look up communism in the dictionary. a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably [b] now how does national health care cause ALL economic goods to be distrubited equally? how does it kill the state? also essential to communism is a single ruling body. show me where hillary has advocated the dismantling of the congress and senate? we've spit out endless documentation and argumentation; you probably wouldn't consider it "proof." it's no easy to prove one's political ideas, which is why there are so many debates. but you make it sound like we're just huffing and puffing. show me where hillary has advocated the dismantling of congress and senate, and end to the state, and equal distribution of everything, and i swear i will vote right wing for the rest of my life. admittedly, the whole hillary thing is more fun than anything else. i simply hate her guts. well, that is beacause you are scared of women, secretly hate them, and feel they should be enslaved and raped regularly. i would prove it, but it's so difficult to prove, so i guess i will just throw it out there and it will be true. well, that's because you are terrified of a woman in power. i will be attending the DC/east coast org meetup the weekend of sept 25th, and so should you:
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chemmie said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: not stripping all means of making wealth from individuals so that the state can dicate who needs what like Castro does in Cuba. It might be left but comes nowhere near facism or communism.
that is exactly what she was trying to do! that is the democratic party's platform! rob from the rich and give to the poor. not quite communism but well on it's way! but that's my point. most of the money that is supposedly "robbed from the rich" isn't given to the poor, it's given to corporations. and you know who set that up? the right wing. if we are gonna support corporations, why the hell shouldn't some of that pocket change go to the poor? i will be attending the DC/east coast org meetup the weekend of sept 25th, and so should you:
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cborgman said: and feel they should be enslaved and raped regularly. i would prove it, but it's so difficult to prove, so i guess i will just throw it out there and it will be true.
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hey, i admit that would be pretty cool. censentual of course. i have the right to do that in my house. "I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum"
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chemmie said: cborgman said: and feel they should be enslaved and raped regularly. i would prove it, but it's so difficult to prove, so i guess i will just throw it out there and it will be true.
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hey, i admit that would be pretty cool. censentual of course. i have the right to do that in my house. rape is not cosensual. and i hardly need point out that i said all women, not one in particular. i will be attending the DC/east coast org meetup the weekend of sept 25th, and so should you:
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