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Middle Eastern Policy I have an honest question. Not a flame.
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chemmie said: ...Instead, the push is for hydrogen automobiles which have been "10 years away" for the past 10 years.
Hmmm.. and who's interest may that be ? Anyhow... you need energy to get the H2 from water. Fuel cells are a liitle step foreward. On long term I guess cold fusion will solve many problems. The oil won't be there forever. chemmie said: on the other hand. it would be best to take an exclusionist policy towards the middle east. if we do that, our oil interests might be compromised and our allied interest with Israel might be compromised if the arab groups surrounding Israel decide to attempt to destroy it.
I guess America should care a bit less about Israel. Having plenty nukes, they can defend themselves better than any other country in the M.E. [This message was edited Mon Jul 14 5:54:47 PDT 2003 by TweetyV6] ___________________________________________________________________________________
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TweetyV6 said: Hmmm.. and who's interest may that be ? True Anyhow... you need energy to get the H2 from water. Fuel cells are a liitle step foreward. On long term I guess cold fusion will solve many problems. The oil won't be there forever. Supporting fuel cells and hydrogen cars is just as much supporting the oil industry because the technology isnt here yet. BioDiesel fuel is here. Already being produced and can be used in most any Diesel vehicle. It is made in America and emission free. Currently the Volkswagen Jetta with a diesel engine gets around 50MPG. If a combination of diesel fuel and hybrid technology can be made (wouldnt be hard) then cars would be getting around 80-90MPG. All of this on a clean, american made and cheap fuel. Supposedly Volkswagen is coming out with a couple more Deisel vehicles next year, Jeep is going to make their Liberty in a diesel model and ford is making their Escape a hybrid. Just combine the technologies, make biodiesel easier to obtain (and stop taxing it so high!) and we will see our middle eastern oil dependence go down, air quality go up and MPG go up! "I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum"
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The US has made gigantic investments in Israel's hi-tech sector.. so much that if you lived here most of the workers along the coast call this the 51st state. And almost all of these workers have family members living in the USA.
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chemmie said: Supporting fuel cells and hydrogen cars is just as much supporting the oil industry because the technology isnt here yet. BioDiesel fuel is here. Already being produced and can be used in most any Diesel vehicle. It is made in America and emission free. BioDiesel is widely available in Germany as well. For a few years now. It's oil from plants, suitable for (adapted) Diesel engines. But there is no combustion engine that's emission free As long as you're burning hydrocarbons, you will have, amongst other gasses, CO2 emissions. That's a chemical fact. Only real emission free engines are electrical ones whereby the electrical current is generated by solar cells. chemmie said: Currently the Volkswagen Jetta with a diesel engine gets around 50MPG. If a combination of diesel fuel and hybrid technology can be made (wouldnt be hard) then cars would be getting around 80-90MPG. All of this on a clean, american made and cheap fuel. Supposedly Volkswagen is coming out with a couple more Deisel vehicles next year, Jeep is going to make their Liberty in a diesel model and ford is making their Escape a hybrid. Just combine the technologies, make biodiesel easier to obtain (and stop taxing it so high!) and we will see our middle eastern oil dependence go down, air quality go up and MPG go up!
American made fuel... dude it's just oil they squeeze out of different plants. Or do you mean Produced in the US ? Anyhow. Biodiesel pollutes. Not as much as regular diesel or other fuel engines, but more than LPG engines (liquified petroleum gasses). They are cleaner, but then again, they come from oil. ___________________________________________________________________________________
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chemmie said: I have an honest question. Not a flame.
What kind of policy is needed in the middle east to protect americans from terrorism and to protect american interests? Face it, Americans need Middle Eastern oil. Thanks to tree hugging groups, we cant drill for our own in the frozen tundra or the middle of the gulf and money is being put into the wrong places for researching alternative fuels. BioDiesel technology is already availible yet it isnt being embraced. A non-emmission fuel source made from soybeans grown right in America. Instead, the push is for hydrogen automobiles which have been "10 years away" for the past 10 years. on the other hand. it would be best to take an exclusionist policy towards the middle east. if we do that, our oil interests might be compromised and our allied interest with Israel might be compromised if the arab groups surrounding Israel decide to attempt to destroy it. There are so many factors involved that it is clear that our current policy might be an excuse for more terrorism. An exclusionist policy might compromise other interests. Sounds like a catch 22 to me. Damned if we do, Damned if we dont. Not meaning to react in a hostile manner, so please dont take this as an attack on you. The reason why the push for more cleaner, efficient fuels is not progressing is because the US doesn't want it. One major move in the right direction was the Kyoto Protocol, signed by the US in 1997 - however as soon as G.Bush gets into power he opposed the treaty and withdrew US support. http://www.nrdc.org/globa...yotoqa.asp There isn't enough money in it!! The big US companies don't want it and so put pressure on the Government (not that they needed much pressure)!! There are cars using Gas being driven in the UK - and there are more garages selling it. And you can convert about 90% of cars for about £1500. By the way - any diesel engine will run on cooking oil! There are businesses in the UK that go around collecting the used oil from fast food places and use it to power their vehicles. But it will never take off properly as the big oil companies won't allow it!! Plus if you make your own and don't tell the government you are doing something illegal as you are not paying tax on it!! ----------------------------------------------
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Controversy1976 said: By the way - any diesel engine will run on cooking oil! There are businesses in the UK that go around collecting the used oil from fast food places and use it to power their vehicles. But it will never take off properly as the big oil companies won't allow it!! Plus if you make your own and don't tell the government you are doing something illegal as you are not paying tax on it!!
That is the same thing as BioDiesel. There are many ways to make it. Either by refining used cooking oil (your exaust will smell like French Fries or Chips or whatever you call them) or by using soybean oil. There is also a way to make it with an algae that can be cultivated pretty easilly and pretty much endlessly (not too sure about those particulars with that though). BioDiesel is pretty popular in Europe and it is slowly catching on in the US. Volkswagen has started a push to promote their Diesel engines but they often say that BioDiesel voids the warrentee. If they would start selling BioDiesel at their dealerships in the US, it would be easier to find and I think it would become the proverbial "hit". "I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum"
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Savannah said: Heres what you need...
end of problem... ahhh... the Godzirra effect. "I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum"
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chemmie said: I have an honest question. Not a flame.
What kind of policy is needed in the middle east to protect americans from terrorism and to protect american interests? Face it, Americans need Middle Eastern oil. Thanks to tree hugging groups, we cant drill for our own in the frozen tundra or the middle of the gulf and money is being put into the wrong places for researching alternative fuels. BioDiesel technology is already availible yet it isnt being embraced. A non-emmission fuel source made from soybeans grown right in America. Instead, the push is for hydrogen automobiles which have been "10 years away" for the past 10 years. on the other hand. it would be best to take an exclusionist policy towards the middle east. if we do that, our oil interests might be compromised and our allied interest with Israel might be compromised if the arab groups surrounding Israel decide to attempt to destroy it. There are so many factors involved that it is clear that our current policy might be an excuse for more terrorism. An exclusionist policy might compromise other interests. Sounds like a catch 22 to me. Damned if we do, Damned if we dont. Good points. I'm no expert on American economics, but I'd have to agree with the posts that suggest its simply about money. The businesses that really run American (not the the people) can not afford the change. Thats why Bush backed out a one of the worlds truely most "Green" policies, the moment he came to power. He wanted America to be able to buy their way out of the problem by offering to buy lesser developed countries "quota" of greenhouse gassed. If everyone took that view, we'd simply increase global warming. I wasn't in the States at the time, so I don't know how much of a deal the US media made of it, but this act started off the "Anti Bush/American" thing abroad in a big way. I think it would be a great move for the Americans to take the bull by the horns and go into mass bio fuel production early. You have the space and resources to become the world leader and become more independent, helping your own people and ecomomy directly. But it looks like the the rest of the world are going to steal the thunder. I fear that the big companies are too corrupt and self centred around the people on the main board now, and their retirements to worry about the next generation. They stop Bush making major change, and everyone else is going to steal a bit of the market. Sound familiar? Just look what is happening to the music and film industry. They are in the shit because the previous execs failed to plan ahead. The Music and film industy problems are the same as the oil industries, only 20 years ahead. But while the people are currently the theives, next time it will be the lesser countries. Which is good news for the world in general, but not the USA. . | |
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Private cars! They're the problem. If more emphasis was placed on public transportation, cycling and pedestrian planning, the world would need far less fuel, period. Of any kind. You could be a part-time model, but you'd probably have to keep your normal job | |
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wasitgood4u said: Private cars! They're the problem. If more emphasis was placed on public transportation, cycling and pedestrian planning, the world would need far less fuel, period. Of any kind.
hmmm... i dont really buy that. Far too often, in America, public transportation systems have been a hotbed for crime. A lot of people fear riding the subway in many cities. Also, many more modern American cities are very spread out. This makes public transportation hard also. It is great to promote car pooling and public transportation. I just dont think it is going to catch on in America. (unless you are in cities like New York, Philly, Chicago and Washington DC where it is already large) America's best bet, like SquirrelMeat said, is to promote BioFuel. We have the best resources in the world for it and with the great gas mileage, it will catch on easilly. We just need a company like Volkswagen or Jeep (both making diesel vehicles) to promote the BioFuel at their dealerships. The rest will be history! "I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum"
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chemmie said: wasitgood4u said: Private cars! They're the problem. If more emphasis was placed on public transportation, cycling and pedestrian planning, the world would need far less fuel, period. Of any kind.
hmmm... i dont really buy that. Far too often, in America, public transportation systems have been a hotbed for crime. A lot of people fear riding the subway in many cities. Also, many more modern American cities are very spread out. This makes public transportation hard also. It is great to promote car pooling and public transportation. I just dont think it is going to catch on in America. (unless you are in cities like New York, Philly, Chicago and Washington DC where it is already large) America's best bet, like SquirrelMeat said, is to promote BioFuel. We have the best resources in the world for it and with the great gas mileage, it will catch on easilly. We just need a company like Volkswagen or Jeep (both making diesel vehicles) to promote the BioFuel at their dealerships. The rest will be history! U missed my point. i was talking about PLANNING. In the fifties, the motor and oil industries hijacked the US decision-making processes, and the result was cities PLANNED around the private car. Suburban sprawl, strip malls, dead and dangerous city centers. Subways are not the most effective form of public transport - they are simply the only one that doesn't disturb the cars' above-ground monopoly. Of course being shunted away underground can be threatening. Remember, also, that crime on public transport is related to the population that uses it. When planning encourages private car use, ONLY people who can't afford a car use public transport. Confining the needy and dissatisfied to a confined area is not a healthy scenario. There are alternatives. I talked about planning for PEDESTRIANS and CYCLISTS as well as public transport. Many European cities are designed this way, and some US cities are trying to make the change. Light rail is a start. Not only can US cities chanbge the way they're structured. THey have to. The world cannot support the US' addiction to oil. You could be a part-time model, but you'd probably have to keep your normal job | |
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wasitgood4u said: U missed my point. i was talking about PLANNING. In the fifties, the motor and oil industries hijacked the US decision-making processes, and the result was cities PLANNED around the private car. Suburban sprawl, strip malls, dead and dangerous city centers. Subways are not the most effective form of public transport - they are simply the only one that doesn't disturb the cars' above-ground monopoly. Of course being shunted away underground can be threatening. Remember, also, that crime on public transport is related to the population that uses it. When planning encourages private car use, ONLY people who can't afford a car use public transport. Confining the needy and dissatisfied to a confined area is not a healthy scenario. There are alternatives. I talked about planning for PEDESTRIANS and CYCLISTS as well as public transport. Many European cities are designed this way, and some US cities are trying to make the change. Light rail is a start. Not only can US cities chanbge the way they're structured. THey have to. The world cannot support the US' addiction to oil. no. i understood. i just feel that the damage is done. Planning cant happen because the lack of planning in the past has already created the problem. we have to find, or plan, for a way to reduce the current stress. cars are here and they are here to stay. we must figure out a way to utilize cars to make issues like polution, foreign oil, etc. to become less of an issue. incentives for use of public transportation or carpooling are always good ideas but most will still resist because of the conveniece that personal cars have over other methods. "I'm here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum"
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Don't worry, Dick Cheney has a plan, and it's called the "New Iraq". He may not know where the heck are the WMD, but he had Iraq's oil resources charted, mapped and forecasted shortly after he took office in 2001, including the location of "supergiant" oil fields.
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