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Thread started 07/13/03 12:51pm

Aerogram

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BUSH'S RECORD

FISCAL ACHIEVEMENT

"U.S. officials expect to announce this week that the federal budget deficit will exceed $400 billion — the largest in U.S. history, by a wide margin — for the fiscal
year ending Sept. 30."

Having squandered the Clinton surplus on tax cuts, GWB will now be running the highest deficit ever AND give more tax cuts, this time without a surplus to cover his back.

JOBS

Unemployment is higher than it,s been in over a decade, with some of the sharpest monthly increases in recent and not so recent memory.

Also...

"Teenagers facing worst summer job marke, with percentage of those holding summer jobs at its lowest in 55 years... Developing... "

IRAQ

"The cost of the war, about $50 billion so far, already represents a 14 per cent increase in military spending planned for this year. "

This figure is not yet part of the aformentionned deficit.

Meanwhile, the US faces an increasingly hostile population and cannot find the WMDs it used as a justification to invade amidst growing reports that Bush overplayed dubious and fragmentary intelligence.

So exasperated are the occupation forces that Rush and Rumsefeld's own people are hinting they should have seeked a greater role for NATO and the UN. Of course, that was out of the question in the glowing overconfidence that followed the fall of Saddam.

AFGHANISTAN

Despite pledges to rebuild Afghanistan, Bush quickly lost interest and the Taliban is now making a comeback. The reconstruction efforts are superficial and the country is still a dangerous conflict zone.

AFRICA

The bright spot on GWB's report card. His AIDS initiative is welcome if overdue.

MIDDLE EAST

A question mark... The administration's recent efforts seem to be paying off, but are extremely fragile due to the level of hostility that was allowed to increase while Bush neglected the file after all of Clinton's efforts. This has the potential to be GWB's greatest foreign policy accomplishment.
[This message was edited Sun Jul 13 16:17:18 PDT 2003 by Aerogram]

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Reply #1 posted 07/13/03 12:54pm

IceNine

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Fuck!

I thought that you were talking about a new Bush record and I was going to bust you for posting in the wrong forum.

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Reply #2 posted 07/13/03 1:01pm

Cloudbuster

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Oh! I thought this was going to be about Kate Bush. sad

"Think inside out." stoned
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Reply #3 posted 07/13/03 1:18pm

teller

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Aerogram said:

FISCAL ACHIEVEMENT

"U.S. officials expect to announce this week that the federal budget deficit will exceed $400 billion — the largest in U.S. history, by a wide margin — for the fiscal
year ending Sept. 30."

Having squandered the Clinton surplus on tax cuts, GWB will now be running the highest deficit ever AND give more tax cuts, this time without a surplus to cover his back.

This is just an outright lie. The surplus was toast before Bush ever showed up.

I say that tax-cuts will bring it down, you say otherwise, but that's beside the point--the surplus was very fleeting to begin with. I agree, however, that he sure is a big spender. You should like that, no?

JOBS

Unemployment is higher than it,s been in over a decade, with some of the sharpest monthly increases in recent and not so recent memory.

Jobs are a lagging indicator. The leading indicators on the economy look good. Hires of temps are up, as companies are still cautious, but hiring temps is a sign that demand is picking up.




As for foreign policy, well...can't argue with ya there. smile

Fear is the mind-killer.
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Reply #4 posted 07/13/03 1:19pm

Aerogram

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IceNine said:

Fuck!

I thought that you were talking about a new Bush record and I was going to bust you for posting in the wrong forum.

sad


You're right, a new country record is coming out. Check this out :

GEORGE AND THE BUSHIES
"Beat Around The Bush"

1, We Will Find' Em
2, State of the Union's Blues
3. Bin Lad' and The Jets
4. My Darlin' Laura
5. Tony The Tiger
6. Goddam Saddam
7. Rummie's Song
8. Do I Have Twin Daughters or Am I Seeing Double Again?
9. Barbara Thank God You're Not Barbra

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Reply #5 posted 07/13/03 1:23pm

Aerogram

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teller said:

Aerogram said:

FISCAL ACHIEVEMENT

"U.S. officials expect to announce this week that the federal budget deficit will exceed $400 billion — the largest in U.S. history, by a wide margin — for the fiscal
year ending Sept. 30."

Having squandered the Clinton surplus on tax cuts, GWB will now be running the highest deficit ever AND give more tax cuts, this time without a surplus to cover his back.

This is just an outright lie. The surplus was toast before Bush ever showed up.

I say that tax-cuts will bring it down, you say otherwise, but that's beside the point--the surplus was very fleeting to begin with. I agree, however, that he sure is a big spender. You should like that, no?

JOBS

Unemployment is higher than it,s been in over a decade, with some of the sharpest monthly increases in recent and not so recent memory.

Jobs are a lagging indicator. The leading indicators on the economy look good. Hires of temps are up, as companies are still cautious, but hiring temps is a sign that demand is picking up.




As for foreign policy, well...can't argue with ya there. smile


You're always ready with your excuses. Bush didn't have to squander the surplus like he did and it was still there no matter what you say. As for him being a big spender, no I don't approve of spending just for spending. Most of it went to defence and security.

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Reply #6 posted 07/13/03 1:25pm

teller

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Aerogram said:

You're always ready with your excuses.
Excuses?! Dude, the surplus was gone! You can't change history.

Fear is the mind-killer.
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Reply #7 posted 07/13/03 1:38pm

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Aerogram said:

You're right, a new country record is coming out. Check this out :

GEORGE AND THE BUSHIES
"Beat Around The Bush"

1, We Will Find' Em
2, State of the Union's Blues
3. Bin Lad' and The Jets
4. My Darlin' Laura
5. Tony The Tiger
6. Goddam Saddam
7. Rummie's Song
8. Do I Have Twin Daughters or Am I Seeing Double Again?
9. Barbara Thank God You're Not Barbra


lol

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Reply #8 posted 07/13/03 2:25pm

DavidEye

No surprises here.I knew this was gonna happen if Bush was elected.Bush is simply a lousy President when it comes to economic policies.The only reason he has high job approval ratings (which are now beginning to drop) is because of 9/11.You never hear anybody praising his economic policies.

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Reply #9 posted 07/13/03 2:35pm

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DavidEye said:

No surprises here.I knew this was gonna happen if Bush was elected.Bush is simply a lousy President when it comes to economic policies.The only reason he has high job approval ratings (which are now beginning to drop) is because of 9/11.You never hear anybody praising his economic policies.

After a few false starts, his latest tax-cut is a winner. I know many of you liberals, in all your loving compassion, are hoping for the economy to crash so that the misery can continue, but in fact the economy is well on it's way to a full recovery after a healthy dose of just the right tax-cut medicine.

Fear is the mind-killer.
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Reply #10 posted 07/13/03 2:45pm

Aerogram

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teller said:

DavidEye said:

No surprises here.I knew this was gonna happen if Bush was elected.Bush is simply a lousy President when it comes to economic policies.The only reason he has high job approval ratings (which are now beginning to drop) is because of 9/11.You never hear anybody praising his economic policies.

After a few false starts, his latest tax-cut is a winner. I know many of you liberals, in all your loving compassion, are hoping for the economy to crash so that the misery can continue, but in fact the economy is well on it's way to a full recovery after a healthy dose of just the right tax-cut medicine.


Amazing.. the first set of tax cuts didn't work. Instead, there will be the highest deficit ever, and the "fiscal conservative" remedy is supposed to be giving away more tax revenue.

We'll certainly have a chance to see if those marvelous cuts will "pay for themselves". The first ones were paid by another administration's surplus.

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Reply #11 posted 07/13/03 2:47pm

Aerogram

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teller said:

Aerogram said:

You're always ready with your excuses.
Excuses?! Dude, the surplus was gone! You can't change history.


It wasn't. I remember that the new administration said it was much less, but there was still a healthy surplus.

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Reply #12 posted 07/13/03 4:18pm

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More accomplishments...

""Teenagers facing worst summer job marke, with percentage of those holding summer jobs at its lowest in 55 years... Developing... ""

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Reply #13 posted 07/13/03 7:04pm

AnotherLoverTo
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I read in USA Today's financial section Friday that unemployment claims were up this month (it had been predicted that they'd be down by this point, indicating a recovering economy). They interviewed several finance houses, who all expressed reservations at the initial projections of how quickly things were going to turn around.

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Reply #14 posted 07/13/03 7:15pm

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AnotherLoverToo said:

I read in USA Today's financial section Friday that unemployment claims were up this month (it had been predicted that they'd be down by this point, indicating a recovering economy). They interviewed several finance houses, who all expressed reservations at the initial projections of how quickly things were going to turn around.

Unemployment is a lagging indicator, one of the last to turn around. The stock market is a leading indicator and it indicates that recovery is underway.

Fear is the mind-killer.
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Reply #15 posted 07/13/03 7:38pm

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AnotherLoverToo said:

I read in USA Today's financial section Friday that unemployment claims were up this month (it had been predicted that they'd be down by this point, indicating a recovering economy). They interviewed several finance houses, who all expressed reservations at the initial projections of how quickly things were going to turn around.

Unemployment is a lagging indicator, one of the last to turn around. The stock market is a leading indicator and it indicates that recovery is underway.


I guess last year's tax cuts are lagging stimulators, eh?

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Reply #16 posted 07/13/03 7:44pm

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Regarding predictions and forecasts, check this out...

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Bush's Data Dump
The administration is hiding bad economic news. Here's how.
By Russ Baker
Posted Friday, July 11, 2003, at 12:56 PM PT

http://slate.msn.com/id/2085481/



Slight of hand?

The Bush administration is finally facing tough questions about its selective use of intelligence in selling war with Iraq. But Americans shouldn't just be skeptical of what the president says about WMD. They should be skeptical of what he says about GDP. In economic policy even more than in war policy, the Bushies have successfully suppressed, manipulated, and withheld evidence to serve their policy purposes.


Of course every administration likes to trumpet its good news and hide its bad, but what's remarkable about the Bush team is its willingness to stifle data that had been widely released and to politicize data that used to be nonpartisan.

The administration muzzles routine economic information that's unfavorable. Last year, for example, the administration stopped issuing a monthly Bureau of Labor Statistics report, known as the Mass Layoff Statistics program, that tracked factory closings throughout the country. The cancellation was made known on Christmas Eve in a footnote to the department's final report—a document that revealed 2,150 mass layoffs in November, cashiering nearly a quarter-million workers. The administration claimed the report was a victim of budget cuts. After the Washington Post happened to catch this bit of data suppression, the BLS report was reinstated. (Interestingly, President George H.W. Bush buried these same statistics in '92, also during a period of job losses. They were revived by President Clinton.)

The Bush economic team has snuffed its own reports when they reach conclusions that don't match the administration's rosy scenarios. The administration deep-sixed a study commissioned by then Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill that predicts huge budget deficits well into the future. As noted by the Financial Times in late May, this survey, which asserted that the baby-boom generation's future health care and retirement costs would swamp U.S. coffers, was dropped from a 2004 budget summary published in February 2003—at the same time the White House was campaigning for a tax-cut package that critics warned would greatly expand future deficits. "The study's [analysis of future deficits] dwarfs previous estimates of the financial challenge facing Washington," wrote the FT. According to the FT, a Bush official said the study was merely a thought exercise.

The administration also muffled a customary report whose findings would have forced key corporate supporters to pay more to their employees. The annual Adverse Effect Wage Rate establishes the minimum wage that can be paid each year to about 50,000 agricultural "guest workers" in the H2A Program. From AEWR's 1987 inception until 2000, the Department of Labor released the report in February. But in 2001, DOL withheld the wage figure until August, and only published it after the Farmworker Justice Fund threatened a lawsuit. In 2002, the DOL held up the report until May, again releasing it only after the prospect of legal action. The delays helped big agricultural firms, largely in the tobacco states and the South, by allowing them to pay their field workers last year's lower wages, saving the employers millions of dollars. Among those benefiting politically were Labor Secretary Elaine Chao's husband, Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, whose state relies on several thousand guest workers in its tobacco fields and who receives large contributions from agricultural interests.

Another administration trick is playing with the length of its economic forecast periods, which puts the best possible face on bad news while exaggerating the projected benefits of its own initiatives. For example, to heighten the impression that Social Security is running out of money (thereby strengthening the case for allowing workers to divert money from the system into private retirement accounts), the administration has predicted shortfalls far in the future by relying on preposterously long forecast periods. In a superb analysis of the budget in the June Harper's, Thomas Frank noted that in 2002 the administration declared an $18 trillion shortfall in Social Security and Medicare—about five times the current national debt. Frank notes that in order to arrive at the $18 trillion figure—since Social Security is currently in surplus—the administration used a "cumulative seventy-five-year estimate [Frank's itals] based on extreme long-term projections ... ." Meanwhile, even as it relies on 75-year projections for Social Security, the same document replaces traditional 10-year budget projections with five-year ones, claiming the longer-term numbers were unreliable.

President Bush also politicized the Council of Economic Advisers, which is supposed to produce straight analysis, not administration spin. CEA staffers complained that top Bush economic adviser Larry Lindsey, not even a member of the council, encouraged them to produce data supporting the president's controversial tax cut initiatives. CEA chairman Glen Hubbard also pushed staffers to find literature supporting the questionable argument that tax cuts created job growth.

On other occasions, the administration has punished economic officials who didn't follow the company line. Treasury Secretary O'Neill left the administration after, among other fits of candor, he expressed skepticism about economic figures the White House had released and suggested that the tax cut could be better used to buttress Social Security. And before Lindsey was made to take a dive, he predicted that the war in Iraq could cost upwards of $200 billion, a figure that infuriated the White House, which was selling the anti-Saddam campaign as a comparatively cheap victory.

Important economic data that casts a bad light on administration policies has been expunged from government Web sites. The Department of Labor removed a report showing the real value of the minimum wage over time, claiming it was "outdated." With no minimum wage hike since 1997, the Web site would have shown minimum-wage workers faring increasingly poorly under the Bush administration, while their real income went up under Clinton. (Some subheadings from the report: "Real Value of the Minimum Wage Continues Decline"; "Minimum Wage Falls Relative to Average Hourly Earnings"; "Minimum Wage Falls Below 2-Person Family Poverty Threshold.")

Earlier this year, a study predicting mediocre job growth from Bush's proposed $674 billion economic stimulus plan disappeared from the Council of Economic Advisers' Web site. The study forecast an average increase of only 170,000 jobs—0.1 percent of the workforce—every year through 2007. The study was pulled just after a major Jan. 7 Bush budget speech to the Economic Club of Chicago. "In the out years, by their own estimate, their plan is a job and growth killer," says Jared Bernstein, economist at the Economic Policy Institute. "Instead of doing what serious analysts would do and going to the drawing board to re-evaluate, they just took the offending document off the Web site."

Certainly, each one of these Bush team moves can be explained: administrative concerns, government paperwork reduction, outdated material, etc. Cumulatively, however, they certainly look suspect. We've seen the future, and it's been deleted.

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Reply #17 posted 07/13/03 8:03pm

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Aerogram said:

teller said:

AnotherLoverToo said:

I read in USA Today's financial section Friday that unemployment claims were up this month (it had been predicted that they'd be down by this point, indicating a recovering economy). They interviewed several finance houses, who all expressed reservations at the initial projections of how quickly things were going to turn around.

Unemployment is a lagging indicator, one of the last to turn around. The stock market is a leading indicator and it indicates that recovery is underway.


I guess last year's tax cuts are lagging stimulators, eh?

I give up Aero...I've posted the difference between the two tax-cuts repeatedly. I think it's important that people understand. But it's all just an abstract chess-game to you.

tp

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Reply #18 posted 07/13/03 8:33pm

Aerogram

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teller said:

Aerogram said:

teller said:

AnotherLoverToo said:

I read in USA Today's financial section Friday that unemployment claims were up this month (it had been predicted that they'd be down by this point, indicating a recovering economy). They interviewed several finance houses, who all expressed reservations at the initial projections of how quickly things were going to turn around.

Unemployment is a lagging indicator, one of the last to turn around. The stock market is a leading indicator and it indicates that recovery is underway.


I guess last year's tax cuts are lagging stimulators, eh?

I give up Aero...I've posted the difference between the two tax-cuts repeatedly. I think it's important that people understand. But it's all just an abstract chess-game to you.

tp


Didn't you support this first set of tax cuts? I remember you found them less than ideal, but still... there's 0 evidence that they helped.

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Reply #19 posted 07/14/03 12:20am

DavidEye

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DavidEye said:

No surprises here.I knew this was gonna happen if Bush was elected.Bush is simply a lousy President when it comes to economic policies.The only reason he has high job approval ratings (which are now beginning to drop) is because of 9/11.You never hear anybody praising his economic policies.

After a few false starts, his latest tax-cut is a winner. I know many of you liberals, in all your loving compassion, are hoping for the economy to crash so that the misery can continue, but in fact the economy is well on it's way to a full recovery after a healthy dose of just the right tax-cut medicine.




Funny how conservatives are the only ones convinced that things are going well...lol...spin this any way you want,but there is still no denying that the federal budget deficit "will exceed $400 billion---the largest in U.S. history,by a wide margin---for the fiscal year ending September 30".Are you gonna try to dispute those figures too? And when you factor in the fact there are nearly 10 million Americans who are unemployed,things don't look so great,after all.

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