oh yeah...plus, that is still putting the blame back on God after He told A & E not to eat from that tree. if he told them not and they did are the repercussions God's fault or A & E's fault? They were told in advance.

imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said:

But if they didn't "know" the difference between right and wrong UNTIL they ate from the tree of knowledge, then how can they be blamed for not understanding what they were told not to do?

Genesis 3:22 says:

22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever"

So man became just like god in that instance, knowing the difference between good and evil. This suggests that mankind was born into this state of sin all along. How else would the knowledge of good and evil be a sin for a mortal but a non sin for God? It says right there "the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil". If the knowledge of good and evil were the indicator of sin, then God is the original sin...

one2three said:

You missed his point entirely.

Now, do you have an answer to the question?

IceNine said:

Yes I actually do...but it would be a waste of my time to tell u or any non-believer because you would brush it off as if it was nothing, tell me that Im wrong because the Bible is a bunch of stories, and call me an idiot for thinking it wasn't. So Y bother?

one2three said:

Y bother? If the truth isn't worth defending, perhaps it isn't the truth. If the truth is the truth, then it can and should be explained.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

If u feel that what I feel is not the truth...then that's your bag, not mine. I can not convince you nor anyone else anything that they don't want to believe.

And yes, It is worth defending and worth explaining, but to whom? The same people who r so quick to criticise and bash it...I don't think so. The Jews were so "stiff-necked" and quick to criticise and bash Jesus for his beliefs, that he moved on and started preaching to the Gentiles and others who WANTED to listen. So why shouldnt I do the same?

Ok. so the george bush thing was FUNNY! My girlfriend thinks that some guy just made the whole god/bible thing up as well. She thinks he did it for world order.
I have to say you are one of the funniest people on this site so far. still laughing at the george bush thing.

I don't really believe in a god either. The whole "believing" population is insane imo as well.

BECAUSE GOD GIVE PEOPLE FREE WILL

FOLLOW POOK HERE

IF GOD STOP ALL BAD THING

THAT MEAN GOD TAKE FREE WILL

THIS MEAN NO FREE WILL FOR ANYONE

EVEN BAD PEOPLE

GOD COULD MAKE EVERYONE DO WHAT HE WANT

BUT THAT NOT FAIR

SO GOD LET PEOPLE HAVE CHOICE

AND BAD THING HAPPEN

POOK said:

and there you have it!

so simple, even a monkey can understand (no offense POOK )

one2three said:

So... you don't like Jews either?

What choices did the children make that made god punish them so severely?

If evolution were really true, we would have no problem finding millions of years worth of leftover life forms. But there are none to be found! The "transitional forms"

destruction could still occur subsequently (that is, post-deposition). For example, if ground waters permeating through the sediments (such as sandstone) contain sufficient oxygen, then the oxygen would probably oxidize the organic molecules in the buried bodies and so destroy them. (This could be regarded as a type of weathering.) Likewise, chemically active ground waters could also be capable of dissolving human bones, removing all trace of buried people.

Many Flood sediments have also undergone chemical and mineralogical changes due to the temperatures and pressures of burial, plus the presence of the water trapped in between the sediment grains. This process of change, known technically as metamorphism, eventually obliterates many fossils in the original sediments, whether they be fossils of shellfish, corals or mammals, particularly with increasing depth of burial, and higher temperatures and pressures.

Yet another process that could destroy buried human bodies would be the intrusion of molten (igneous) rock into the Flood sediments, and through them to the surface to form volcanoes and lava flows. Such processes involve heat intense enough to melt rocks and recrystallize them. As the hot molten rock rises through the sediments, the sediments are often baked by the heat, and again chemical and mineralogical changes occur that obliterate many contained fossils.

All of these factors greatly lengthen the odds of finding a human fossil today.

You r not stupid nor ignorant to know the point I am making.

POOK said:

But little babies and children don't do evil, nor do they know anything about believing in god... why are they punished?

POOK said:

But little babies and children don't do evil, nor do they know anything about believing in god... why are they punished?

IceNine said:

IT NOT ABOUT PUNISHMENT

DIG IT AGAIN

IF GOD TAKE AWAY EVERYTHING EVIL

AND NOTHING BAD HAPPEN

THEN PEOPLE HAVE NO OPTION

Since my other christian questions are kind of hard to answer... here is a new question for christians...

...I might have asked this one before, but it needs to be a new topic.

If god loves everyone and god is just and merciful, how can you reconcile the fact that many children die of horrible diseases? These children have never sinned, nor could they have done anything to anger god, so why do they have to die so horribly?

Would you allow innocent children to die horrible, painful deaths if you were god and loved your creations?

IceNine said:

That has to do with Adam and Eve and the fact of "free will" and the consequences of "us" being in charge of each other on earth instead of the original plan of God being in charge. If Adam and Eve would have not sinned against god and executed their free will all would have been perfect on earth with no diseases etc etc etc...

and now ur second question will be "why did god create free will?" and then the third question will be "why did God put this horrible responsibilty on two people who did not know what sin was in the first place? which are good questions too, but I am too lazy to type it all up LOOOL! go read the bible dude! all the answers are there.

RaneStarr said:

I got the whole bible part... what I don't understand is how a supposedly "supreme being" could torture EVERY single human that will ever live because of the actions of two.

By the way, welcome back.

IceNine said:

you do not "have" the bible part, you like to slice and dice scripture to fit ur needs and take everything out of context. btw, god paid for the sin of adam and eve on the cross. and now ur second queston will be well if he paid for it on the cross why is their still evil in the world? LOL great question, and again I aint typin' a page here to give u an answer that you will not accept anyways... waste of time... go to the bible, dont take things out of context and u will get what u need

RaneStarr said:

There is no proper context for the bible... it is just a bunch of stories... there are so many interpretations and re-interpretations that it is totally useless.

Damn, girl... when are we going to hook up?