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Reply #120 posted 05/15/19 9:05pm

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Here is an excellent article! https://medium.com/s/can-...pL-6mshTRU


If you want to prevent abortion, you need to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Men seem unable (or unwilling) to admit that they cause 100% of them.


Let’s start with this: A woman’s egg is only fertile for about two days each month. Yes, there are exceptions, because nature. But one egg which is fertile two days each month is the baseline. And those fertile eggs are produced for a limited number of years. This means, on average, women are fertile for about 24 days per year.


But men are fertile 365 days a year. In fact, if you’re a man who ejaculates multiple times a day, you could cause multiple pregnancies daily. In theory, a man could cause 1000+ unwanted pregnancies in just one year. While it’s true that sperm gets crappier as men age, it doesn’t have a fertility expiration date; men can cause unwanted pregnancies from puberty until death. So, starting with basic fertility stats and the calendar, it’s easy to see that men are the issue here.



Great question. Modern birth control for women is possibly the most important invention of the last century, and I’m very grateful for it. It’s also brutal. The side effects for many women include migraines, mood swings, decreased libido, depression, severe cramps, heavy bleeding, aneurysm — and that’s just a small fraction of them. (My note: They can also kill by causing fatal blood clots. I can't take the pill because it could kill me. My daughter will never be able to take the pill.)


Discouragingly, a promising study on a new male contraceptive was canceled in large part due to… (wait for it)… side effects. To be clear, this list of side effects was about one-third as long as the known side effects for commonly used women’s contraception. There’s a lot to unpack in that story alone. I’ll simply point out that, as a society, we really don’t mind if women suffer, physically or mentally, as long as it makes things easier for men.



So why would there ever be unwanted pregnancies? Why don’t men just use condoms every time they have sex? Seems so simple, right?


Oh. I remember. Men don’t love condoms. In fact, it’s very, very common for men to pressure women to have sex without a condom. It’s also not unheard of for men to remove the condom during sex without the women’s permission or knowledge. (Pro tip: That’s assault.)


Why would men want to have sex without a condom? Because, for the precious minutes when they’re penetrating their partner, not wearing a condom gives them more pleasure. So… that would mean some men are willing to risk getting a woman pregnant — which means literally risking her life, her health, her social status, her relationships, and her career — so they can experience a few minutes of slightly increased pleasure. Is this for real?



If we’re discussing abortion law — and not how to hold men accountable for irresponsible ejaculations, and the unwanted pregnancies caused by them — we’re wasting our time. Shift the conversation. Stop protesting at clinics. Stop shaming women. Stop debating whether or not to overturn abortion laws. If you actually care about reducing or eliminating the number of abortions in our country, simply hold men accountable for their actions.

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Reply #121 posted 05/15/19 9:07pm

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And now MISSOURI is debating a bill just like these others, at this very minute. They have been in closed session for 7 hours now.

Fuck this shit.


South Carolina is too. (I currently live in South Carolina.) *sigh* I'm about done with these men and their misogyny.

These men have decided that their seed is more important than the woman they put it in.

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Reply #122 posted 05/15/19 9:14pm

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PennyPurple said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:




PennyPurple said:



And a female Gov. who signed it. sad





why would a person's gender have anything to do with how they feel about a moral issue? Do you expect a woman to agree with you on this issue just becasue she is a woman?


(and LOOK up said 6 weeks was too early...and this seems to be at conception...so yeah this law is bad)



Because being female she at one time had a uterus and I don't know her history on if she has kids or not, but SHE was able to make that choice whether she wanted to have them or not. Why not give the rest of the women a choice?



Women are the ones who have to carry the child, in their body for 9 months 95% of the time the woman is always responsible for that child til the day she dies. Men can get a woman pregnant and walk away, and they do. If the child is not wanted, the woman should be able to make her choice on whether to have it or not.



How dare these States and these men and this woman Gov. try to take away women's right to choose?



Morally? There is a seperation of Church and State for a reason. These people were not elected to dictate their morals upon anyone else but theirselves.



How dare they take it back to the coat hanger days.



It's not over, and I will fight every day for the rest of my life to uphold women's right for choice.


Vote those sickos out of office.
The abortion ban issue...any relation to 2045?
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Reply #123 posted 05/15/19 9:17pm

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poppys said:



PennyPurple said:


And now MISSOURI is debating a bill just like these others, at this very minute. They have been in closed session for 7 hours now.


Fuck this shit.



disbelief


There’s definitely something deeper behind this sudden rush to ban abortions. The elected officials who support banning abortions better be prepared to be voted out of office. They also better be damn prepared to find money to help women who will end up having extra babies because of that ban. I find it odd that the Repub party, who have always been the party that trashes poor women for having babies, and accusing them of being on welfare, now suddenly have no problem banning abortions. This action seems to be a way of either keeping more women out of the workforce or some mission to increase the birth rate, within a specific portion of the population, but that just might backfire, because this law just may increase the use of birth control, less birth.

Don’t be surprised if they try to ban birth control too.
[Edited 5/15/19 21:30pm]
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Reply #124 posted 05/15/19 9:43pm

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2elijah said:

poppys said:

disbelief

There’s definitely something deeper behind this sudden rush to ban abortions. The elected officials who support banning abortions better be prepared to be voted out of office. They also better be damn prepared to find money to help women who will end up having extra babies because of that ban. I find it odd that the Repub party, who have always been the party that trashes poor women for having babies, and accusing them of being on welfare, now suddenly have no problem banning abortions. This action seems to be a way of either keeping more women out of the workforce or some mission to increase the birth rate, within a specific portion of the population, but that just might backfire, because this law just may increase the use of birth control, less birth. Don’t be surprised if they try to ban birth control too. [Edited 5/15/19 21:30pm]



They are already trying to make it impossible to get birth control, especially for poor, by defunding Planned Parenthood, and by stating insurance should not cover a woman's contraceptive.

Keep in mind that they know women will find ways to abort an unwanted pregnancy. The history is there already. In Georgia, they want to jail the woman. Who do you think this will target more? Poor women, of course, but more than that, women of color will be harmed by this law in disproportionate ways. If a black woman miscarries, how much do you want to bet that they will investigate the hell out of that and decide that she is at fault for that miscarriage? A black woman will receive a much stiffer sentence than a white woman who miscarries. I can almost guarantee it.

And guess what? Who does not have the right to vote? Convicted felons. This is also a way to remove the vote from women who get abortions and are found to be guilty of a felony.

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Reply #125 posted 05/15/19 10:04pm

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jjhunsecker said:

maplenpg said:



jjhunsecker said:


maplenpg said:
It's an awful thing to say, but sadly i agree. [Edited 5/14/19 22:30pm]

Because I believe that the very worst thing- worse than having an abortion - is bringing an unwanted child into the world

Absolutely. And having seen first hand the amount of prisoners who spent their childhood in the care system, and how fucked up they are as a result of it, I simply cannot see how these states think this is a good idea.



True. How many people are criminals or drug addicts or have other issues that all stem from being an unwanted or mistreated child?

In high security UK prisons, about 30% of the prison population have been in care during their childhood. They are also (mostly) the ones who don't have anyone visit them whilst they are inside. They are also often the ones you feel most sorry for. They don't know basic love from a parent.
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Reply #126 posted 05/15/19 10:09pm

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2elijah said:

poppys said:

disbelief

There’s definitely something deeper behind this sudden rush to ban abortions. The elected officials who support banning abortions better be prepared to be voted out of office. They also better be damn prepared to find money to help women who will end up having extra babies because of that ban. I find it odd that the Repub party, who have always been the party that trashes poor women for having babies, and accusing them of being on welfare, now suddenly have no problem banning abortions. This action seems to be a way of either keeping more women out of the workforce or some mission to increase the birth rate, within a specific portion of the population, but that just might backfire, because this law just may increase the use of birth control, less birth. Don’t be surprised if they try to ban birth control too. [Edited 5/15/19 21:30pm]

The GOP is being so brazen because they know that Gerrymandering, Voter Suppression and Putin's Help will keep them in office.

[Edited 5/15/19 22:09pm]

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Reply #127 posted 05/15/19 10:12pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



jjhunsecker said:


Basic science 101- (taught most places though maybe not in Texas) : An embryo and a sentient human being are two different things


Do you not agree that at some point a fetus becomes sentient? and if not when? What means might we use to determine being sentient?


I'm not even sure why you're making this argument when you've already stated it's only late abortions you disagree with. Do you agree that at conception the cells are not sentient? Do you agree that at six weeks the embryo is not sentient? I genuinely don't understand why you make dumbfuck comments when this is a topic we all (I think) mostly agree on. Would you have signed this bill? At conception, or six weeks, or would you have kept pro choice until 24 weeks? Do you agree that aborting a fetus at 12 weeks is different to euthanasing a 20 year old?
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Reply #128 posted 05/15/19 10:12pm

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and the packing of the federal courts with Conservative right wing christian judges. Fuck You McConnell.

[Edited 5/15/19 22:13pm]

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Reply #129 posted 05/15/19 10:16pm

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benni said:

Here is an excellent article! https://medium.com/s/can-...pL-6mshTRU


If you want to prevent abortion, you need to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Men seem unable (or unwilling) to admit that they cause 100% of them.



Let’s start with this: A woman’s egg is only fertile for about two days each month. Yes, there are exceptions, because nature. But one egg which is fertile two days each month is the baseline. And those fertile eggs are produced for a limited number of years. This means, on average, women are fertile for about 24 days per year.



But men are fertile 365 days a year. In fact, if you’re a man who ejaculates multiple times a day, you could cause multiple pregnancies daily. In theory, a man could cause 1000+ unwanted pregnancies in just one year. While it’s true that sperm gets crappier as men age, it doesn’t have a fertility expiration date; men can cause unwanted pregnancies from puberty until death. So, starting with basic fertility stats and the calendar, it’s easy to see that men are the issue here.




Great question. Modern birth control for women is possibly the most important invention of the last century, and I’m very grateful for it. It’s also brutal. The side effects for many women include migraines, mood swings, decreased libido, depression, severe cramps, heavy bleeding, aneurysm — and that’s just a small fraction of them. (My note: They can also kill by causing fatal blood clots. I can't take the pill because it could kill me. My daughter will never be able to take the pill.)



Discouragingly, a promising study on a new male contraceptive was canceled in large part due to… (wait for it)… side effects. To be clear, this list of side effects was about one-third as long as the known side effects for commonly used women’s contraception. There’s a lot to unpack in that story alone. I’ll simply point out that, as a society, we really don’t mind if women suffer, physically or mentally, as long as it makes things easier for men.




So why would there ever be unwanted pregnancies? Why don’t men just use condoms every time they have sex? Seems so simple, right?



Oh. I remember. Men don’t love condoms. In fact, it’s very, very common for men to pressure women to have sex without a condom. It’s also not unheard of for men to remove the condom during sex without the women’s permission or knowledge. (Pro tip: That’s assault.)



Why would men want to have sex without a condom? Because, for the precious minutes when they’re penetrating their partner, not wearing a condom gives them more pleasure. So… that would mean some men are willing to risk getting a woman pregnant — which means literally risking her life, her health, her social status, her relationships, and her career — so they can experience a few minutes of slightly increased pleasure. Is this for real?



If we’re discussing abortion law — and not how to hold men accountable for irresponsible ejaculations, and the unwanted pregnancies caused by them — we’re wasting our time. Shift the conversation. Stop protesting at clinics. Stop shaming women. Stop debating whether or not to overturn abortion laws. If you actually care about reducing or eliminating the number of abortions in our country, simply hold men accountable for their actions.


Yup, and for parents like myself (who I hope is reasonably sensible), it's a reminder that parents have a duty to discuss condoms with their sons and daughters, and to try to dispel the stigma surrounding them. Men do have a responsibility in all of this.
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Reply #130 posted 05/15/19 10:32pm

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Alabama: Chambliss was likewise stumped when questioned about how doctors would be able to tell a miscarriage from a medication abortion, since the two would present indistinguishably to a doctor. “The burden of proof would be on the prosecution,” he shrugged—implying, as if he’d just considered it for the first time, that all women who miscarry in an Alabama with an abortion ban should be investigated as criminal suspects.


https://slate.com/news-an...ction.html

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Reply #131 posted 05/16/19 4:18am

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benni said:

Alabama: Chambliss was likewise stumped when questioned about how doctors would be able to tell a miscarriage from a medication abortion, since the two would present indistinguishably to a doctor. “The burden of proof would be on the prosecution,” he shrugged—implying, as if he’d just considered it for the first time, that all women who miscarry in an Alabama with an abortion ban should be investigated as criminal suspects.


https://slate.com/news-an...ction.html


This will keep women from seeking medical attention during miscarriage and doctors from wanting to treat them.

It's happening in the Louisiana legislature right now too. Can't help but think Republicans planned to roll this out and just kept it on the down low.

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Reply #132 posted 05/16/19 4:36am

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...If we’re discussing abortion law — and not how to hold men accountable for irresponsible ejaculations, and the unwanted pregnancies caused by them — we’re wasting our time. Shift the conversation. Stop protesting at clinics. Stop shaming women. Stop debating whether or not to overturn abortion laws. If you actually care about reducing or eliminating the number of abortions in our country, simply hold men accountable for their actions.


I agree with eveything in your post benni, except who exactly is shaming women? There are very few clinics left to protest at anyway. The protesters there are to keep women coming for services from being shamed and even physically harmed. We should NEVER stop debating whether or not to overturn abortion laws.

Just taking the route of holding men accountable (which I do agree with but it's not simple) is not going to work. This is an onslaught against us. Stopping protests is a huge mistake. It's how women can identify and band together. Our civil rights are being taken away at an alarming rate. We have to fight with everything we've got, AND add more strategies.

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Reply #133 posted 05/16/19 5:00am

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2elijah said:

poppys said:

disbelief


There’s definitely something deeper behind this sudden rush to ban abortions. The elected officials who support banning abortions better be prepared to be voted out of office. They also better be damn prepared to find money to help women who will end up having extra babies because of that ban.

I find it odd that the Repub party, who have always been the party that trashes poor women for having babies, and accusing them of being on welfare, now suddenly have no problem banning abortions. This action seems to be a way of either keeping more women out of the workforce or some mission to increase the birth rate, within a specific portion of the population, but that just might backfire, because this law just may increase the use of birth control, less birth.

Don’t be surprised if they try to ban birth control too.


Agree. Maybe this is how these mouth breathers have figured out how they think they're going to make more white people. And prosecute the ones they want just like they do now with minorities.

I really hope women vote them out. Some women are so stupid. How else can you figure half of the voting population gets such a shitty deal in this country?

They can still trash poor women and keep more of us out of the workforce, just adding the clout of being able to prosecute and run more of us through the for profit justice system - including doctors. But they'll keep a few of them around for when they get their girlfriends pregnant because they refuse to use condoms. Because they do not want to pay for unwanted children - even their own.

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Reply #134 posted 05/16/19 5:16am

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2elijah said:

poppys said:

disbelief

There’s definitely something deeper behind this sudden rush to ban abortions. The elected officials who support banning abortions better be prepared to be voted out of office. They also better be damn prepared to find money to help women who will end up having extra babies because of that ban. I find it odd that the Repub party, who have always been the party that trashes poor women for having babies, and accusing them of being on welfare, now suddenly have no problem banning abortions. This action seems to be a way of either keeping more women out of the workforce or some mission to increase the birth rate, within a specific portion of the population, but that just might backfire, because this law just may increase the use of birth control, less birth. Don’t be surprised if they try to ban birth control too. [Edited 5/15/19 21:30pm]

They are already trying. sad

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Reply #135 posted 05/16/19 5:18am

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I don't know if having women hashtag that they've had an abortion is needed.

I think that kind of 'awareness' is very different from a woman/man who has been raped/molested

Abortion is too polarizing a debate, most people don't see a middle ground.

Busy Philipps counters anti-abortion laws with #YouKnowMe; Lady Gaga, others speak out

-Bill Keveney

Actress and talk show host Busy Philipps is asking women who have had abortions to tell their stories as part of a push against anti-abortion legislation being considered and enacted in a number of states.

Philipps' effort comes as Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey Wednesday signed a near-total abortion ban. The state is one of a dozen that have passed or attempted to pass stricter abortion legislation this year.

Philipps, who recently shared her story about having an abortion at 15, reached out to other women on social media as part of the launch of her #YouKnowMe campaign, saying one in four have had abortions. Sharing stories will help to end the shame often associated with abortion, she wrote.

"There is an attack on women happening in this country right now. I won't be silent and I have no shame about my personal choice. I am 1 in 4. #youknowme ❤️ I know there is power in sharing our stories. I know it," she wrote in an Instagram post that has attracted nearly 120,000 likes since being posted earlier Wednesday.

Philipps, who also advocates donations to organizations fighting "these draconian laws," doesn't cite a source for her statistic. However, a 2017 analysis by the Guttmacher Institute, which focuses on issues relating to reproductive health and rights, cites the same statistic and says 23.7% of women in the U.S. will have an abortion by the age of 45.

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Reply #136 posted 05/16/19 5:23am

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Isn't it amazing how fast they can pass these abortion bills, and yet we still have nothing on assault rifles? Bastards.

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...If we’re discussing abortion law — and not how to hold men accountable for irresponsible ejaculations, and the unwanted pregnancies caused by them — we’re wasting our time. Shift the conversation. Stop protesting at clinics. Stop shaming women. Stop debating whether or not to overturn abortion laws. If you actually care about reducing or eliminating the number of abortions in our country, simply hold men accountable for their actions.


I agree with eveything in your post benni, except who exactly is shaming women? There are very few clinics left to protest at anyway. The protesters there are to keep women coming for services from being shamed and even physically harmed. We should NEVER stop debating whether or not to overturn abortion laws.

Just taking the route of holding men accountable (which I do agree with but it's not simple) is not going to work. This is an onslaught against us. Stopping protests is a huge mistake. It's how women can identify and band together. Our civil rights are being taken away at an alarming rate. We have to fight with everything we've got, AND add more strategies.


"...except who exactly is shaming women?" Every Republican who tries to tell a woman that she should be ashamed of getting an abortion, or tells a woman she is "killing" an innocent life. They think that by telling a woman that, they are in essence trying to shame her into compliance.

You have an excellent point about the clinics.

That statement is from the article I posted, and while I may not agree with everything she suggests, I do agree with the overall statement.

And we should hold men accountable, period. They should be making laws related to a man's penis, not a woman's uterus. If they truly want to stop abortions, then they have to get to the root cause of those abortions, which is not a woman's fault, but rather the fault of the man who recklessly ejaculated his seed into the woman and caused an unwanted pregnancy. If men were to have to have a vasectomy from age 16 until they are married and decide they want to have kids (and their wife agrees), then they can have it reversed. It is an outpatient procedure and much more simpler, safer, and cost effective than to force a woman to carry a baby for 9 months, give birth to that baby (and probably have to have a major surgery - C-section - to have the baby because I think stress can play a part in how smoothly the woman is able to birth that baby), risk her life to give birth (we have a high rate of maternal death in the United States - especially women of color), then use tax dollars to help her raise that child (especially if the reason she sought an abortion to begin with was because she was not financially able to care for that child), not to mention the possible abuse investigations of an unwanted child who may be abused because they were unwanted, possible higher incarceration rates of unwanted children, etc. So the cost of forcing a woman to have an unwanted pregnancy is much higher than a little *snip snip* at 16 and an undoing of that vasectomy when the man is ready enough and responsible to get a woman pregnant that wants to be pregnant. It saves the states money, the tax payers money, the federal government money.

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Add Missouri to the list. The bastards.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/missouri-senate-passes-bill-outlaw-abortion-8-weeks-n1006296



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Reply #139 posted 05/16/19 6:26am

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...If we’re discussing abortion law — and not how to hold men accountable for irresponsible ejaculations, and the unwanted pregnancies caused by them — we’re wasting our time. Shift the conversation. Stop protesting at clinics. Stop shaming women. Stop debating whether or not to overturn abortion laws. If you actually care about reducing or eliminating the number of abortions in our country, simply hold men accountable for their actions.


I agree with eveything in your post benni, except who exactly is shaming women? There are very few clinics left to protest at anyway. The protesters there are to keep women coming for services from being shamed and even physically harmed. We should NEVER stop debating whether or not to overturn abortion laws.

Just taking the route of holding men accountable (which I do agree with but it's not simple) is not going to work. This is an onslaught against us. Stopping protests is a huge mistake. It's how women can identify and band together. Our civil rights are being taken away at an alarming rate. We have to fight with everything we've got, AND add more strategies.


"...except who exactly is shaming women?" Every Republican who tries to tell a woman that she should be ashamed of getting an abortion, or tells a woman she is "killing" an innocent life. They think that by telling a woman that, they are in essence trying to shame her into compliance.

You have an excellent point about the clinics.

That statement is from the article I posted, and while I may not agree with everything she suggests, I do agree with the overall statement.

And we should hold men accountable, period. They should be making laws related to a man's penis, not a woman's uterus. If they truly want to stop abortions, then they have to get to the root cause of those abortions, which is not a woman's fault, but rather the fault of the man who recklessly ejaculated his seed into the woman and caused an unwanted pregnancy. If men were to have to have a vasectomy from age 16 until they are married and decide they want to have kids (and their wife agrees), then they can have it reversed. It is an outpatient procedure and much more simpler, safer, and cost effective than to force a woman to carry a baby for 9 months, give birth to that baby (and probably have to have a major surgery - C-section - to have the baby because I think stress can play a part in how smoothly the woman is able to birth that baby), risk her life to give birth (we have a high rate of maternal death in the United States - especially women of color), then use tax dollars to help her raise that child (especially if the reason she sought an abortion to begin with was because she was not financially able to care for that child), not to mention the possible abuse investigations of an unwanted child who may be abused because they were unwanted, possible higher incarceration rates of unwanted children, etc. So the cost of forcing a woman to have an unwanted pregnancy is much higher than a little *snip snip* at 16 and an undoing of that vasectomy when the man is ready enough and responsible to get a woman pregnant that wants to be pregnant. It saves the states money, the tax payers money, the federal government money.


Yes, men shame women, and they're not all Republicans either. And unfortunately other women shame women too, and don't vote for women's rights. How did half the population get in this mess in the first place? The way that part is written has mixed messages that don't go together so I needed to clarify. This is my breakdown.

Stop shaming women - Yes

Stop protesting at clinics - Not if you're helping the women who need services there and raising awareness.

Stop debating whether to overturn abortion laws - Hell no.

Hold men accountable for their actions - Hell yes (but it's not simple)

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^^ Exactly.

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Reply #142 posted 05/16/19 9:32am

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According to CNN exit polling, 70% of white women voted for Trump in Georgia.

I don't know the numbers for Alabama, but 63% of white women voted for Roy Moore, the Republican, in the last statewide race, and 53% of all white women voted for Trump nationwide.

The reason I focus on white women is because as of 2011 they made up nearly 2/3 of the overall female population in this country.

None of those male legislators who passed these bills or governors who signed them (one of whom was a white female) get that power without the majority-female vote.


All the points about male-dominated legislatures, White Houses, and courts deciding the fates of women's rights are valid. But the men in these positions were clear on their intentions, and a majority of women voted for them knowing those intentions, perhaps prioritizing other things.

So the political conversation starts and ends with women voters.

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Reply #143 posted 05/16/19 10:34am

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According to CNN exit polling, 70% of white women voted for Trump in Georgia.

I don't know the numbers for Alabama, but 63% of white women voted for Roy Moore, the Republican, in the last statewide race, and 53% of all white women voted for Trump nationwide.

The reason I focus on white women is because as of 2011 they made up nearly 2/3 of the overall female population in this country.

None of those male legislators who passed these bills or governors who signed them (one of whom was a white female) get that power without the majority-female vote.


All the points about male-dominated legislatures, White Houses, and courts deciding the fates of women's rights are valid. But the men in these positions were clear on their intentions, and a majority of women voted for them knowing those intentions, perhaps prioritizing other things.

So the political conversation starts and ends with women voters.

The problem is getting everyone to show up at the polls. Everyone just can't sit home and twiddle their thumbs, that's how Trump got elected. sad

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PennyPurple said:

namepeace said:

According to CNN exit polling, 70% of white women voted for Trump in Georgia.

I don't know the numbers for Alabama, but 63% of white women voted for Roy Moore, the Republican, in the last statewide race, and 53% of all white women voted for Trump nationwide.

The reason I focus on white women is because as of 2011 they made up nearly 2/3 of the overall female population in this country.

None of those male legislators who passed these bills or governors who signed them (one of whom was a white female) get that power without the majority-female vote.


All the points about male-dominated legislatures, White Houses, and courts deciding the fates of women's rights are valid. But the men in these positions were clear on their intentions, and a majority of women voted for them knowing those intentions, perhaps prioritizing other things.

So the political conversation starts and ends with women voters.

The problem is getting everyone to show up at the polls. Everyone just can't sit home and twiddle their thumbs, that's how Trump got elected. sad


It won't matter if the Republicans get these abortion bills passed through the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court overturns Roe v Wade. They will not go back in and overturn it again under a Democratice Congress or President. It will then be the law of the land, until these Supreme Court Jutisces die out and new ones are nominated by a Democratic president.

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benni said:

PennyPurple said:

The problem is getting everyone to show up at the polls. Everyone just can't sit home and twiddle their thumbs, that's how Trump got elected. sad


It won't matter if the Republicans get these abortion bills passed through the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court overturns Roe v Wade. They will not go back in and overturn it again under a Democratice Congress or President. It will then be the law of the land, until these Supreme Court Jutisces die out and new ones are nominated by a Democratic president.

Yeah but I don't see how these States can just go in and change the Supreme Courts rulings. I still have hope that the Supreme Court will uphold Roe V Wade.

I understand that they are wanting to challenge the SC but States can't be allowed to laws to what they want them to be.

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Reply #146 posted 05/16/19 3:07pm

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benni said:


It won't matter if the Republicans get these abortion bills passed through the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court overturns Roe v Wade. They will not go back in and overturn it again under a Democratice Congress or President. It will then be the law of the land, until these Supreme Court Jutisces die out and new ones are nominated by a Democratic president.

Yeah but I don't see how these States can just go in and change the Supreme Courts rulings. I still have hope that the Supreme Court will uphold Roe V Wade.

I understand that they are wanting to challenge the SC but States can't be allowed to laws to what they want them to be.



Because they can argue that individual states are legalizing marijuana against Federal laws.

Now, that's different than a Supreme Court ruling, because we are talking about a Constitutional right. ACLU plans to take these states to court, which is going to push it in front of the Supreme Court. Our only hope is that Kavanaugh is still fresh from the grilling he took to be placed on SCOTUS and will want to show that he can be above partison judicial rulings.

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Reply #147 posted 05/16/19 3:20pm

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.....and there it is

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Reply #148 posted 05/16/19 4:38pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

.....and there it is


MIC DROP! boom!

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Reply #149 posted 05/16/19 5:06pm

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2elijah said:


poppys said:


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There’s definitely something deeper behind this sudden rush to ban abortions. The elected officials who support banning abortions better be prepared to be voted out of office. They also better be damn prepared to find money to help women who will end up having extra babies because of that ban. I find it odd that the Repub party, who have always been the party that trashes poor women for having babies, and accusing them of being on welfare, now suddenly have no problem banning abortions. This action seems to be a way of either keeping more women out of the workforce or some mission to increase the birth rate, within a specific portion of the population, but that just might backfire, because this law just may increase the use of birth control, less birth. Don’t be surprised if they try to ban birth control too. [Edited 5/15/19 21:30pm]

They are already trying. sad


It’s insane. This is 2019, why are they trying to go backwards on womens’ rights?
The abortion ban issue...any relation to 2045?
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