independent and unofficial
Prince fan community site
Fri 22nd Mar 2019 3:23pm
Welcome! Sign up or enter username and password to remember me
Forum jump
Forums > Politics & Religion > Brexit
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Page 1 of 2 12>
Reply   New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
Author

Tweet     Share

Message
Thread started 03/14/19 2:13am

maplenpg

avatar

Brexit

Thoughts? It is only 15 days until we (the UK) are supposed to leave the EU. Will we leave? Will article 50 be extended? Will be be forced to take TM's crappy deal that no-one wants? How long will TM keep her job for (and who is going to replace her)?

I'm fairly sure from past threads that we're pretty much all in agreement that it has been an absolute mess, whether you are a brexiteer or a remainer (or couldn't care less). But whilst we can all agree the mess needs tidying up, how the fuck do we go about tidying it?



If love is the answer, what was the question? - Carter USM.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #1 posted 03/14/19 3:11am

jaawwnn

avatar

I see the lads down the road here in Ireland have taken to posting bombs to you again.

[Edited 3/14/19 3:15am]

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #2 posted 03/14/19 11:38am

maplenpg

avatar

Looks like it'll be delayed sad

If love is the answer, what was the question? - Carter USM.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #3 posted 03/14/19 11:52am

MoBettaBliss

maplenpg said:

Looks like it'll be delayed sad



that was my guess

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #4 posted 03/14/19 12:46pm

DiminutiveRock
er

avatar

disbelief what a mess!

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #5 posted 03/14/19 2:47pm

NorthC

There's this great English expression: "Have you taken leave of your senses?" Which is exactly what is going on here. Even if you're pro-brexit, you should at least have a plan. But nobody had a plan. Nobody even has a clue.
The big thing here, and what those clueless Brits in all their mixed up confusion are trying to tell us on mainland Europe is that the EU has gotten over our heads. It started out as a good idea, working together to stop war and create economic growth without borders, but it has become a big beaurocratic moloch with folks like Juncker and Timmermans going after well payed jobs. "Europe" has become an ideal for beaurocrats. It's got nothing to do with the people who live in Europe and the people know it. Unfortunately, the anti-EU crowd doesn't know what to do either. I don't really see a way out of this mess. The only way would be to downplay the role of those EU bigshots so that the EU becomes what it used to be: an orginization of countries working together. We don't need a European president (nonsense) or a European army (we have NATO). But it's the European bigshots who decide these things and they benefit from the system, so changing the system from within isn't going to happen either. I don't know. I think we're just going to keep messing up.
Never try to discourage thinking, for you are sure to succeed.
Bertrand Russell
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #6 posted 03/14/19 5:19pm

OnlyNDaUsa

avatar

I am hopeful that the will of the people will get their will honored and it will happen... it is concerning that the government can not get its act together....

What if half the things ever said
Turned out 2 be a lie
How will U know the Truth?
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #7 posted 03/14/19 5:20pm

SquirrelMeat

avatar

I'm not convinced the EU will grant an extension, or they will offer one in length that might not get agreed by UK Parliament. By not playing ball, the EU stand a better chance forcing May's awful deal (Which was drafted by the EU) through at the last minute.

.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #8 posted 03/15/19 1:58am

BombSquad

avatar

Trump turns from 'whining' grief to pathetic midterm sissy moaning and squealing.
weakest pussy crybaby ever to hold office LMFAO
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #9 posted 03/15/19 3:36am

TweetyV6

avatar

maplenpg said:

Thoughts? It is only 15 days until we (the UK) are supposed to leave the EU. Will we leave? Will article 50 be extended? Will be be forced to take TM's crappy deal that no-one wants? How long will TM keep her job for (and who is going to replace her)?

I'm fairly sure from past threads that we're pretty much all in agreement that it has been an absolute mess, whether you are a brexiteer or a remainer (or couldn't care less). But whilst we can all agree the mess needs tidying up, how the fuck do we go about tidying it?




I hope the Brexit will proceed.


The deal May has, was shoved down her throat by the EU crooks, Tusk, Verhofstad and Timmermans (Juncker is always too drunk to actually know what he's doing). They do whatever it takes to avoid/frustrate the Brexit because: a) the EU will loose one of it's big monetary contributers b) does not want a sucessfull Brexit, to keep other countries from doing the same.

I sincerely hope that the UK will leave the EU and will become more prosperous in the coming decennium, then it would have been under EU laws & regulations.

___________________________________________________________________________________

All thinking men are Atheists - Hemingway

P.s. If you find spelling errors, you may keep them
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #10 posted 03/15/19 7:25am

OnlyNDaUsa

avatar

BombSquad said:

LOL, are you mad they are leaving and taking away from the mess that is the EU?

What if half the things ever said
Turned out 2 be a lie
How will U know the Truth?
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #11 posted 03/15/19 7:45am

BombSquad

avatar

OnlyNDaUsa said:

BombSquad said:

Munich2017_crazy.jpg

LOL, are you mad they are leaving and taking away from the mess that is the EU?


so you didn't even get that simple pics meaning?

couldn't care care less if they leave or stay. but they way they do it is stupid beyond words, no matter on which side you stand. watched ANY news on this topic during the last several months? LOL


that was too complicated for you. no surprise


[Edited 3/15/19 7:47am]

Trump turns from 'whining' grief to pathetic midterm sissy moaning and squealing.
weakest pussy crybaby ever to hold office LMFAO
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #12 posted 03/15/19 7:57am

BombSquad

avatar

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I am hopeful that the will of the people will get their will honored and it will happen... it is concerning that the government can not get its act together....

[Snip - luv4u]

Trump turns from 'whining' grief to pathetic midterm sissy moaning and squealing.
weakest pussy crybaby ever to hold office LMFAO
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #13 posted 03/15/19 7:59am

OnlyNDaUsa

avatar

BombSquad said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

LOL, are you mad they are leaving and taking away from the mess that is the EU?


so you didn't even get that simple pics meaning?

couldn't care care less if they leave or stay. but they way they do it is stupid beyond words, no matter on which side you stand. watched ANY news on this topic during the last several months? LOL


that was too complicated for you. no surprise


[Edited 3/15/19 7:47am]

AGAIN you make up crazy things and make way off things about what I have said... but that is what you do. And I agree they should do it better... But how they do it will have way less impact on the EU as it will the UK... that is over and beyond one of the 2nd largest economic power leaving... that is going to hurt the EU... But I think Germany and France need to get out too...but they seem to be busy self-destructing in the fools name of political correctness....

What if half the things ever said
Turned out 2 be a lie
How will U know the Truth?
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #14 posted 03/15/19 8:00am

BombSquad

avatar

[Snip - luv4u]



Trump turns from 'whining' grief to pathetic midterm sissy moaning and squealing.
weakest pussy crybaby ever to hold office LMFAO
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #15 posted 03/15/19 8:02am

OnlyNDaUsa

avatar

BombSquad said:

[Snip - luv4u]

I am just wishing them well... not saying what the should do and not making up lies about how one got over on the other. there is a fine line and a nuance you missed.

What if half the things ever said
Turned out 2 be a lie
How will U know the Truth?
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #16 posted 03/15/19 8:04am

BombSquad

avatar

OnlyNDaUsa said:

AGAIN you make up crazy things and make way off things about what I have said...



if you look for crazy tings made up about what someone said, then look no furhter than this LOL:

"LOL, are you mad they are leaving and taking away from the mess that is the EU?"



FAIL

Trump turns from 'whining' grief to pathetic midterm sissy moaning and squealing.
weakest pussy crybaby ever to hold office LMFAO
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #17 posted 03/15/19 8:06am

BombSquad

avatar

OnlyNDaUsa said:

BombSquad said:

[Snip - luv4u]

I am just wishing them well... not saying what the should do and not making up lies about how one got over on the other. there is a fine line and a nuance you missed.


[Snip - luv4u]

Trump turns from 'whining' grief to pathetic midterm sissy moaning and squealing.
weakest pussy crybaby ever to hold office LMFAO
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #18 posted 03/16/19 5:21am

maplenpg

avatar

NorthC said:

There's this great English expression: "Have you taken leave of your senses?" Which is exactly what is going on here. Even if you're pro-brexit, you should at least have a plan. But nobody had a plan. Nobody even has a clue. The big thing here, and what those clueless Brits in all their mixed up confusion are trying to tell us on mainland Europe is that the EU has gotten over our heads. It started out as a good idea, working together to stop war and create economic growth without borders, but it has become a big beaurocratic moloch with folks like Juncker and Timmermans going after well payed jobs. "Europe" has become an ideal for beaurocrats. It's got nothing to do with the people who live in Europe and the people know it. Unfortunately, the anti-EU crowd doesn't know what to do either. I don't really see a way out of this mess. The only way would be to downplay the role of those EU bigshots so that the EU becomes what it used to be: an orginization of countries working together. We don't need a European president (nonsense) or a European army (we have NATO). But it's the European bigshots who decide these things and they benefit from the system, so changing the system from within isn't going to happen either. I don't know. I think we're just going to keep messing up.

I agree with some of this, not all of it (I can't agree I'm a 'clueless Brit' - sorry). I agree fully that the role of the EU got way too large and that those at the top were seen to be benefiting a little too much (well a lot actually). Yep, there should have been a plan, absolutely, but we were led to believe that there was one, and to be frank, the Tories have been worse than hopeless in the two years we've had since article 50 was triggered (I'd argue they were worse than hopeless using the referendum as a bargaining chip to stay in power as well). You're right though, there's a lot more messing up to be done yet.

If love is the answer, what was the question? - Carter USM.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #19 posted 03/16/19 5:26am

maplenpg

avatar

SquirrelMeat said:

I'm not convinced the EU will grant an extension, or they will offer one in length that might not get agreed by UK Parliament. By not playing ball, the EU stand a better chance forcing May's awful deal (Which was drafted by the EU) through at the last minute.

I disagree. I think May's third vote on the awful deal will be defeated again and I think this time she'll quit. I think then we'll ask for a two year extension and we'll have a general election (which I think the Tories are in a good position to win (boo-hiss). The Eu will grant it as they're hoping beyond hope that we decide to stay after all (which would in turn make other countries reluctant to follow our debacle). One thing's for sure, no-one really knows what will happen, not even those at the top it seems.

If love is the answer, what was the question? - Carter USM.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #20 posted 03/16/19 5:29am

maplenpg

avatar

TweetyV6 said:

maplenpg said:

Thoughts? It is only 15 days until we (the UK) are supposed to leave the EU. Will we leave? Will article 50 be extended? Will be be forced to take TM's crappy deal that no-one wants? How long will TM keep her job for (and who is going to replace her)?

I'm fairly sure from past threads that we're pretty much all in agreement that it has been an absolute mess, whether you are a brexiteer or a remainer (or couldn't care less). But whilst we can all agree the mess needs tidying up, how the fuck do we go about tidying it?




I hope the Brexit will proceed.


The deal May has, was shoved down her throat by the EU crooks, Tusk, Verhofstad and Timmermans (Juncker is always too drunk to actually know what he's doing). They do whatever it takes to avoid/frustrate the Brexit because: a) the EU will loose one of it's big monetary contributers b) does not want a sucessfull Brexit, to keep other countries from doing the same.

I sincerely hope that the UK will leave the EU and will become more prosperous in the coming decennium, then it would have been under EU laws & regulations.

I agree, but it seems the only option to avoid the dreadful deal was no deal. My personal choice would have been to go for no deal as it would have forced the EU out of their stubborn refusal to negotiate further, but that has now been voted down (and I do understand it would have been a disaster short-term, I just think long term we'd have ended up better off).

If love is the answer, what was the question? - Carter USM.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #21 posted 03/16/19 5:33am

maplenpg

avatar

OnlyNDaUsa said:

BombSquad said:

[Snip - luv4u]

I am just wishing them well... not saying what the should do and not making up lies about how one got over on the other. there is a fine line and a nuance you missed.

Only - you know I disagree with you most of the time, but thank you for wishing us well.

BombSquad - come on man, I usually enjoy your points, but your obsession with Only is wearing thin. It really has nothing to do with the topic of the thread. Please, I don't care where someone lives, I'm happy to hear everyone's view.

If love is the answer, what was the question? - Carter USM.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #22 posted 03/16/19 1:01pm

luv4u

Moderator

avatar

moderator

lurking

Edmonton, AB - canada

Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
"I kind of wish there was a reason for Prince to make the site crash more" ~~ Ben
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #23 posted 03/16/19 1:39pm

MoBettaBliss

luv4u said:

lurking



lurking


 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #24 posted 03/16/19 4:18pm

EmmaMcG

avatar

MoBettaBliss said:



luv4u said:


lurking





lurking



lurking
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #25 posted 03/18/19 12:34pm

SquirrelMeat

avatar

Well, John Bercow just threw a grenade in the middle for good measure!

.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #26 posted 03/19/19 11:04am

maplenpg

avatar

SquirrelMeat said:

Well, John Bercow just threw a grenade in the middle for good measure!

Barnier saying we can't have an extension without good reason - time for May to go perhaps? Would that be good reason enough?

If love is the answer, what was the question? - Carter USM.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #27 posted 03/19/19 5:00pm

IanRG

maplenpg said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Well, John Bercow just threw a grenade in the middle for good measure!

Barnier saying we can't have an extension without good reason - time for May to go perhaps? Would that be good reason enough?

.

What will May going achieve?

.

If she is replaced by a hard line Brexiteer you will crashout without an agreement by design.

.

If she is replaced by another person within the current parliament who will seek a compromise deal that will get majority parliament support and EU support, the last ~1000 days shows that this is not likely to be achievable and you will crash out without a deal in a few days time or a bit later if anyone can convince the EU you have a good reason for an extension that may acheive majority support.

.

If you go to general election you will crash out without a deal unless the EU grants an extension. If the EU grants an extension, then in the unlikely event that one party will win with enough like minded members of parliament, you may get an agreed solution in parliament - but the EU would need to agree with that solution. If ypou end up with a either a Brexit divided Labour Party or a Brexit divided Conservative government (plus whomever either may need to form a coalition) then you will be put in the same position as May is in now: Because it is not a binary choice, it is unlikely that one position will have a majority so, unless there is a miraculous change that will see people compromise in a way that the EU will agree, the sum of those who don't like that one solution will roll the new PM's solution. And you will crash out without a deal at the end of the extension.

.

If you can convince enough people in parliament that there needs to a new referendum, you still have to convince the EU this is a good enough reason for an extension. The outcome of a second referendum is by no means certain that it will reverse the result and the deep divisions within the UK will be enhanced either way. If the refendum confirms the first vote, you will probably crash out without a deal for all the reasons above. If it reverses the decision, the hardline Brexiteers are unlikely to take this well.

.

May has already said she will go before the next election anyway.

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #28 posted 03/19/19 5:01pm

lust

avatar

maplenpg said:

Looks like it'll be delayed sad



Brexit Can Wait!
If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #29 posted 03/19/19 5:23pm

SquirrelMeat

avatar

lust said:

maplenpg said:

Looks like it'll be delayed sad

Brexit Can Wait!

Badum-tish!

.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Page 1 of 2 12>
Reply   New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Forums > Politics & Religion > Brexit