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Thread started 02/07/19 10:40pm

benni

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I know we have a Trump/Russia thread, but this may be bigger than just Trump

https://www.cbsnews.com/n...-years-on/


This is a REPUBLICAN Senator talking about the Russian Investigation by the Senate Intelligence Committee. He has said that it make take the Senate 10 years to complete this investigation and that it goes beyond just the 2016 election.


From the interview with Senator Burr:


He made clear that the investigation is not compiling the story of one pivotal election, but of something larger, more complicated and, from a counterintelligence perspective, more nefarious. The final report may be so highly classified, he said, that a meaningful portion may not be made public at all.

"Many of the connections that we've made are the direct result of intelligence products," he said. "I think it's safe to say we've interviewed people that I don't even know if the special counsel knows about them — but you've got to remember that we're on a totally separate path than what they are."

He acknowledged that a core part of committee's charge is to tell the country, in the greatest detail possible, what happened in 2016.

"The other piece of that," he said, "is probably work that the committee will do for the next decade. And it's work that has helped even our intelligence community's understanding of Russia's capabilities and intent behind this."

"This was not," he stressed, "'Let's go screw with the Americans in 2016.'"

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Reply #1 posted 02/07/19 10:57pm

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From the article:


"It's not the people that were on the deck that we knew about that lengthened the time. It was the people that we didn't know about that we came to the conclusion — either for the campaign interactions or for this bigger picture that we're looking at — that extended the timeline," he said.

Adding a new witness to the roster added at least three weeks to the investigation, he said, between scheduling, logistical preparations, and dealing with legal counsel.

Though most witnesses were encouraged to come in voluntarily, Burr acknowledged he had resorted to issuing subpoenas — either because all other appeals had gone unanswered, or because witnesses themselves had requested it.

Requested to be subpoenaed?


"Can't get into who," Burr said, "but there are some that" — he intimated an elbow nudge as he imitated a witness saying, "'I'll come if you subpoena me.'"

"They wanted the cover of being compelled," he said.

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Reply #2 posted 02/07/19 11:04pm

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And further, he says that given the facts they have now, they cannot say there was collusion, however, the Democratic vice chair has stated that there is.

He goes on to say:


"I have no belief that at the end of our process, people that love Donald Trump are going to applaud what we do. And I have no belief that people that hate Donald Trump are going to reverse and say, 'Well, you know, this clears him.' They are solidly in one camp or the other," he said.

"I'm speaking to what I hope is the 60 percent in the middle that are saying, 'Give me the facts that I need to make a determination in this one particular instance — what happened.' And that's what our focus is," he said.

He would not concede that the committee was destined for disagreement, though he said he had always allowed for the possibility it could happen.

"If the committee's driven based upon the facts that we have at hand, I have a very difficult time understanding how you can come to two different conclusions," he said. "Unless, for the first time, you let politics come into play."


"What I'm telling you is that I'm going to present, as best we can, the facts to you and to the American people. And you'll have to draw your own conclusion as to whether you think that, by whatever definition, that's collusion," he said.

His last words were of caution.

"My only advice to you is, be careful. There are a lot of false narratives out there," he said.

He said the committee had wasted some of its time interviewing witnesses who, it turned out, just wanted to be part of the story. "Don't get ahead of this process," he said.

"People that are sitting, writing the headlines for our report or for Mueller's report may find out that the headline is significantly different."

"And I think the most difficult thing that we've had to do is to separate fact from fiction through the whole process, because if we took every story that you" — meaning the media — "wrote, or every rumor that's out there, we would never finish."

He laughed a final time.

"There are too many Russians."


[Edited 2/7/19 23:12pm]

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Reply #3 posted 02/07/19 11:10pm

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A thread on twitter by Seth Abramson who is: Attorney. Professor @UofNH. Columnist @Newsweek. Analysis @CNN, @BBC &c. NYT bestselling author, @SimonBooks. Proof of Collusion


https://threadreaderapp.c...35205.html

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Reply #4 posted 02/08/19 1:32pm

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Thanks so much for posting this! This is one of the most uplifting things I‘ve read in recent times. Democracy is still very much alive and resilient.

There is no timetable on finding the truth. It’s often hard and messy and boring, and exactly what we all need, even if doesn’t seem to serve our short-term interests.
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Reply #5 posted 02/08/19 2:24pm

poppys

Good stuff benni. You would make a great investigator. Maybe Trump is only the current head of a very poisonous snake. Bravo Republican's who are not afraid to find out.

Lassiez les bon temps rouler!
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Reply #6 posted 02/08/19 2:30pm

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Brendan said:

Thanks so much for posting this! This is one of the most uplifting things I‘ve read in recent times. Democracy is still very much alive and resilient. There is no timetable on finding the truth. It’s often hard and messy and boring, and exactly what we all need, even if doesn’t seem to serve our short-term interests.


You're welcome, Brendan. I just want to get the truth, wherever that truth may lead us. One of the things that stood out to me was his comment that this isn't just about the 2016 election and Russia deciding that they were going to screw with us then. I believe in the article I posted, he commented that this covers a much broader timeline. So, it sounds as though Russia has been involved with US politics for awhile. (Though I may be reading that wrong, or taking more from it than what he intended.)

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Reply #7 posted 02/08/19 2:31pm

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poppys said:

Good stuff benni. You would make a great investigator. Maybe Trump is only the current head of a very poisonous snake. Bravo Republican's who are not afraid to find out.


Thanks, poppy! I'm a Scorpio, and we love to dig deep into subjects that interest us, to investigate that subject fully. I always want to get beneath the surface and that means looking at all resources. I don't think MSM is reporting on this yet, from what I've seen. But I've been working today, so may have missed it. Gotta get ready for the second job now! Be back later tonight!

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Reply #8 posted 02/08/19 2:43pm

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benni said:

poppys said:

Good stuff benni. You would make a great investigator. Maybe Trump is only the current head of a very poisonous snake. Bravo Republican's who are not afraid to find out.


Thanks, poppy! I'm a Scorpio, and we love to dig deep into subjects that interest us, to investigate that subject fully. I always want to get beneath the surface and that means looking at all resources. I don't think MSM is reporting on this yet, from what I've seen. But I've been working today, so may have missed it. Gotta get ready for the second job now! Be back later tonight!

Interesting. I have Scorpio rising, which indicates how you present yourself to the world. So did Prince. (still hate saying did instead of does sad )


Top 10 Careers for Scorpio - horoscope.com

2. Dectective

The natives of this sign are naturally curious individuals who love to discover secrets but value their privacy. All of this adds up to someone who is good at uncovering the crazy stuff that others want to hide. The Scorpion is also great at working undercover and quietly observing people and their activities. They are excellent researchers and won’t give up until they have all the facts. A penchant for revenge sometimes comes in handy. Other professions that fit within this realm include: Private Investigator, Life Coach, Journalist

Lassiez les bon temps rouler!
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Reply #9 posted 02/08/19 3:57pm

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thanks Benni! This should be the Russia Interferes in US thread -

wow - what a dark and seething underbelly this Russia thing has....

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #10 posted 02/08/19 5:20pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

thanks Benni! This should be the Russia Interferes in US thread -

wow - what a dark and seething underbelly this Russia thing has....


I didn't put it in there because that thread is about Trump and Russia, this is stating that Russia interference in the United States has possibly been going on for quite some time, even before 2016, and that it has a more nefarious reason than to just interfer in our politics, that there is a bigger picture here. I'd rather the other thread remain focused on Trump, Russia, and election interference in 2016, but this one....this isn't about the election, nor about Trump overall, but rather is something else entirely.

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